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America Expands Its Freedom of Information Act (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader writes: As America headed into its "Independence Day weekend," the U.S. Congress passed -- and President Obama signed -- the "FOIA Improvements Act of 2016". It now establishes a "presumption of disclosure" by law, and will even allow the disclosure of "deliberative process" records after 25 years, meaning those records from the Reagan (and prior) administrations should now become open, according to the Washington Post. In addition, the law also creates a comprehensive new "online request portal" for requesting records from all agencies, and even requires those agencies to make digital copies available for any records requested three or more times.

"By updating FOIA for the digital age, our law puts more government information than ever before online in a format familiar and accessible to the American people," said Senator Leahy, who sponsored the legislation. On the 50th anniversary of America's original Freedom of Information Act, Leahy added that "a government of, by, and for the people cannot be one that is hidden from them... "

It's the law's 50th anniversary, and Leahy imagined a world 50 years in the future, when the next generation "will look back at this moment and gauge our commitment to the founding principles of our democracy. Let them see that we continued striving for a 'more perfect union' by strengthening the pillar of transparency that holds our government accountable to "We the People.' "

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  1. Oh, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the President signed the law on the same day that the State Department said they needed an additional 27 months to release emails between Department of State employees and the Clinton Foundation. Nothing to see here, move on....

    1. Re:Oh, the irony by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah, doesn't matter. The FOIA doesn't apply to Hillary in any case.

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    2. Re:Oh, the irony by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never mind that the investigation started explicitly because of a FOIA request...

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    3. Re:Oh, the irony by godrik · · Score: 1

      Well, even if it doesn't apply there, it is still fairly ironic.

    4. Re: Oh, the irony by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The FOIA was the whole reason why Hillaty put up a private email server. She wanted her email traffic to not be on a government server and thus subject to the FOIA.

      This whole thing is attempt by Obama to salvage a legacy. The Obama administration has prosecuted more whistle blowers than any other in history.

    5. Re: Oh, the irony by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, have they prosecuted a higher percentage of whistleblowers?

    6. Re: Oh, the irony by TroII · · Score: 1

      The FOIA was the whole reason why Hillaty put up a private email server. She wanted her email traffic to not be on a government server and thus subject to the FOIA.

      I wonder where in the world she learned such a tactic?

    7. Re: Oh, the irony by BradMajors · · Score: 0

      This whole thing is attempt by Obama to salvage a legacy. The Obama administration has prosecuted more whistle blowers than any other in history.

      Congress wrote and past this law, not Obama.

    8. Re: Oh, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FOIA does apply. Simply having a personal server is a FOIA violation. You do not get to decide what counts as work and what counts as personal.

    9. Re: Oh, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We still do not know where Obama was during Benghazi.

    10. Re: Oh, the irony by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You are totally right, she learned the tactic (which was illegal when she entered office) from the requirements placed on the Bush administration by the Democrats in order to separate out political party email traffic from the White House email traffic. Or did you somehow think that the Bush White House ran their own email server for the hell of it?

      http://insider.foxnews.com/201...

      But of course, running an official email, and a separate email for political party email is required by law, so I guess it totally explains why Hillary ran all her email through a private server and didn't provide anything for the FOIA until 2 years later while under congressional subpoena for the records. Then she has the gall to delete half the email claiming they were private.

      http://www.politico.com/story/...

      Which a court has ruled that she is wrong, all the emails are subject to FOIA. So, that means that she wiped official records...with a rag or something...

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    11. Re: Oh, the irony by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't he reading a book to elementary schoolers?

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    12. Re: Oh, the irony by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You do not get to decide what counts as work and what counts as personal.

      No, we don't, but the politician does, and we let them walk...

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  2. So... by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How's Kennedy Assassination documents declassification going? They were supposed to hit the public sometime this year, I heard.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      according to Section 5(g)(2)(D) of the Kennedy Act, all records in the Kennedy Collection will be opened by 2017 unless certified as justifiably closed by the President of the United States. (http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/faqs.html)

    2. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they will have black lines marking out everything of importance.

  3. and Hillary will ignore this law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... like any other she feels shouldn't apply to her.

    1. Re: and Hillary will ignore this law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. She *knows* it *does not* apply to her. Nor does it apply to any member of the Ruling Elite.

    2. Re:and Hillary will ignore this law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man! Did you see how it rained on that Donald Trump rally!? It's pretty obvious the sun and clouds are in collusion with the LIE beral media! Donald Trump the inhereited millionaire totally understands the common people, unlike those other fakers who spent years literally working for the poor! I can't wait for this guy who tells me exactly what I want to hear and makes things up out of whole cloth to get my vote be different than every other politician!

  4. Obama. What a joke. by felrom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The president with the worst history of blanket denial of FOIA requests, running the most opaque government in our lifetime, signs a law "improving" the FOIA system. What a joke! If he and his executive branch didn't respect it before, they wont respect it now.

    I was reading on a gun blog recently about a lawyer who sent the FBI an FOIA wanting to know what offenses would make a person a "domestic abuser" and disqualify them from buying a gun. The FBI said the list was secret and refused to answer. There's your most transparent administration ever!

    The BATFE has stopped responding to FOIAs completely. If you want anything from them, you have to sue, pay for counsel, and wait for the lethargic court system to sort it out for a few years. They've even claimed they're not subject to FOIA requests AT ALL!

    http://www.guns.com/2015/08/12...

  5. And the very last paragraph? by RCourtney · · Score: 5, Informative

    "This memorandum does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person."

    Am I reading that right? A presumption of disclosure is what they claim...but don't hold them to it?

    1. Re:And the very last paragraph? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably has to say that if it's not backed up by a specific law enacted by Congress?

  6. I sure wish I could believe that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me -- or in the times of TSA, of ever-expanding data greed by nearly every three-letter agency, of quenching whistleblowers wherever feasible... all this sounds like 1984's newspeak? Ministry of Love? (in this case possibly: Ministry of Light).

    Shudder.

  7. ‘Most Transparent Administration’?!? B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nevermind the Crooked Hillary! illegal email server that had classified data with markings on it - where Obama and his flunkies are doing their utter best to whitewash it... (And yeah, ALL THAT ABOUT CROOKED HILLARY!'S EMAIL SERVER IS DOCUMENTED - AT LEAST GROW SOME BALLS AND ADMIT YOU SUPPORT A CROOKED LYING SACK OF SHIT)

    ‘Most Transparent Administration’ Sets FOIA Censorship Record

    In 2014, the Obama administration set a record: It censored or refused to release more government records—accessible to the public through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)—than in any preceding year.

    In 250,581 cases, or 39 percent of total requests, anywhere from a few words to every word was censored, or access was fully denied. In 215,584 other instances, the government said the records could not be found, decided the request was unreasonable or the requester refused to pay the associated fees. When the government did decide to hand over government files, the process took longer on average than in years past—anywhere between one day and 2.5 years.

    The self-proclaimed “most transparent administration” also admitted that its decision to withhold or censor documents was inappropriate under the law in almost a third of cases—but only after the requester challenged the government’s initial decision.

  8. The nine exceptions: by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exemption 1: Information that is classified to protect national security. Exemption 2: Information related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency. Exemption 3: Information that is prohibited from disclosure by another federal law. Exemption 4: Trade secrets or commercial or financial information that is confidential or privileged. Exemption 5: Privileged communications within or between agencies, including: Deliberative Process Privilege Attorney-Work Product Privilege Attorney-Client Privilege Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual's personal privacy. Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that: 7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings 7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication 7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy 7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source 7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions 7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual Exemption 8: Information that concerns the supervision of financial institutions. Exemption 9: Geological information on wells.

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    1. Re:The nine exceptions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so, that pretty much covers everything. what's left? the state from which the cheese used in federal building cafeterias comes from?

    2. Re:The nine exceptions: by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So... roll a d10 to determine excuse why it cannot be published, on a 10 you win a free reroll?

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    3. Re:The nine exceptions: by Bahumat · · Score: 1

      Why exemption #9? Is that to avoid someone having an unfair advantage in mining scouting, or what?

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    4. Re:The nine exceptions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're worried that someone could use the data to poison the drinking water of a bunch of places that depend on wells.

    5. Re:The nine exceptions: by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Also, if you get a 7, you have to then roll a d6 for its sub-excuses.

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    6. Re:The nine exceptions: by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      so, that pretty much covers everything. what's left? the state from which the cheese used in federal building cafeterias comes from?

      No. That is commercial information and is not covered by FOIA.

  9. No additional funds authorized? by fl_litig8r · · Score: 5, Informative

    The law itself specifies that no additional funds are authorized to comply with the new requirements, so we'll see how these changes will actually be implemented. The Washington Post article cited in the summary already notes "Federal agencies have often starved their FOIA departments for resources; the new law will not change that. Backlogs stretch for years."

    So, yeah. In theory, it gives broader and easier access to records. In practice, expect to wait forever to have your records request processed, just as before.

    1. Re:No additional funds authorized? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      A rider to the bill demanding a speedy retrieval of requested information would've doomed it to a quick death by bureaucratic groan.

      Even despite the limitations, a law that demands government answer its citizens is a good one, and another useful tool to keep the beast reined in.

      It is not only useful at a federal level. Even Civically, our local paper has successfully retrieved entrenched information from (often reluctant) Municipal employees.

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    2. Re:No additional funds authorized? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      So, yeah. In theory, it gives broader and easier access to records. In practice, expect to wait forever to have your records request processed, just as before.

      A cynic would note that if they have more requests but the same output, it means they have that much more options as to which requests to ignore.

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    3. Re:No additional funds authorized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of it is worthy of secrecy anyway. Secrecy is they way they get away with bad things.
      The only reason they keep secrets is to prevent embarrassment to them and the dirty shit they do to twist both you and the world.
      If Pentagon Papers, Wikileaks, Snowden, Hillary EmailGate, Panama Papers, and every other leak in history hasn't shown you that plain and clear, you're an idiot.
      Governments exist as self aware self preserving and self serving entities.
      It's been that way for all of history, and it's why they keep failing or getting overthrown.
      The US and it's fate is no different.
      So next time, skip creating one and be your own with Voluntarism.
      Look it up.

  10. Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only they lie in your face, now they even taunt you!
    They care so much about your freedom they will take it all away and lock it somewhere safe so nothing bad can happen to it!

    1. Re:Hypocrites by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      We have to protect the freedom, so it doesn't get used up. There ain't so much left of it, ya know.

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    2. Re:Hypocrites by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Didn't they just find a bunch more a little over a week ago?

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  11. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The president with the worst history of blanket denial of FOIA requests, running the most opaque government in our lifetime, signs a law "improving" the FOIA system. What a joke! If he and his executive branch didn't respect it before, they wont respect it now.

    I didn't like Obama either time he ran for president and I still don't like him. I felt like his worldview was completely wrong, and would cause overall harm to the country. However, his promise of transparency was the one thing about him that made me say, "if he actually follows through on this, we as the people will stand a decent chance of fixing our government for the first time in modern history because we'll know what they are really doing." Of course, I also thought, "we'll see how long it lasts if he gets elected." One key element of Obama's promise was that every piece of legislation would be posted to the Congress' website after passage by both houses before he would sign it in order allow for public comment. I believe it was supposed to be a minimum of five days. As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened once even going back to the first piece of legislation he signed. It certainly didn't happen with the Affordable Care Act, and the way he has been using Executive Orders (some of them secret) to get around Congress one could reasonably conclude that Obama never intended to be transparent, but only said that to appeal to the younger libertarian and classical liberal crowd.

    In fact, I would say the best description of Obama is, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." There are plenty of things I dislike about Trump in this election cycle, but whatever you think of him, he certainly won't be "same as the old boss." Hillary, on the other hand, well...

  12. Irony meters suffer massive nationwide outage by SpamHeart · · Score: 1

    There is a cynicism upgrade available which will restart the modules.

  13. Re:Maybe now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My money is on Ulysses Grant as the worst president ever. Great general but way out of depth in the political field. Reagan had a major part in the fall of the Soviet Union with him opening up communications with them. I could see Soviet army commanders opening fire on East European protesters if they saw no other option for their existence with hostile US and Western Europe.

  14. Re:Maybe now... by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    My money is on Ulysses Grant as the worst president ever.

    Worst, presidents who got us into wars for money. The list is long, but distinguished, just like my johnson. Second worst, presidents who delayed us getting into wars for money at the cost of innocent lives, i.e. WWII. Tied for first place: Presidents who compromise our rights. Lots of presidents are tied for first place, including the last four or five we've had.

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  15. A question .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. why don't they call it "Thank France Day" ?

    Just curious...

    1. Re:A question .... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      Because France didn't enter the war on July 4th? If you want to have a "Thank France Day" you should probably either line it up with the signing of the Treaty of Alliance [between France and the United States] on February 6th, 1778, or the Battle of Yorktown (October 19th, 1781), because it was the biggest example of French and American cooperation during the war. (The British defeat also largely ended combat operations in the war.)

      You could also pick a French holiday.

    2. Re:A question .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one remembers Lafayette.

    3. Re:A question .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was always a proxy war. France supplied all the guns, money, gunpowder, cannon, and naval power. They also supplied a sizeable army and military training. I agree the anniversary of Yorktown would be an appropriate day to celebrate. Far too many Americans have either forgotten or never known the role of the French in creating and sustaining the American Revolution.

    4. Re:A question .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      France kept the British occupied with battles in Europe which prevented full blunt of British military to crash the minor rebellion of the American colonies. This was why Americans constantly complained about lack of help from French allies because most of their actions were unseen by the Americans. French motive was their hatred of the British and had nothing to do with helping America. Irony was that French monarchy was supporting anti-monarchy movement which led to French revolution shortly after the end of the American revolutionary war. Skip few years and Napoleon needed money to fund his wars against Europe which he got with Louisiana Purchase.

      Funny how one little tax proposed by British parliament changed world history.

  16. Re:Maybe now... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    Good luck with that given two words: Barack Obama

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  17. Forgot the party ... again by damn_registrars · · Score: 0

    As usual, if there is something positive coming from Washington and it involves a Democrat, slashdot cannot identify that person as one. I'm surprised this story even made the front page.

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    1. Re:Forgot the party ... again by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, something positive coming from Washington usually takes us SO by surprise that we forget to ask who did it, fearing that they might reconsider if we talk too much.

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    2. Re:Forgot the party ... again by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2
      I'm with you that they should always label the party that a politician belongs to. (And with Senators they should also give the state.)

      However, the problems with FOIA's execution are of the executive branch, which is currently run by a Democrat. Leaving out the party ID helps Democrats, because if someone isn't paying attention, they'll assume the story is "Republican Senator criticizes Democrat President," which happens all the time. "Democrat criticizes Democrat" is more likely to be interesting.

    3. Re:Forgot the party ... again by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you read the whole thing with all the exemptions, you will find it's hardly positive, which is indeed very typical of the democrats. Heavy on the rhetoric, very light on the action. ACA, anyone?

      The republicans freed the slaves and desegregated the schools, and helped pass civil rights legislation (It couldn't have happened without them). What do the democrats do? Lock 'em up!

      You should quit while you're behind...

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  18. Re:‘Most Transparent Administration’?! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    But it is the most transparent administration ever! Can you ever name any before this one where you could see so clearly that the emperor has no clothes?

    How much more transparent could it get?

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  19. Re:Maybe now... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not even close. Hoover and his handling of the economic crisis 29 was way worse. Carter and ... pretty much all of the 4 years. And Ford's best feature was probably also the length of his presidency.

    They just don't make 'em like Eisenhower anymore. Pretty much the only really good one the US had in the past 100 years. Level headed, efficient, not some gimmicky-flashy show man, simply a president.

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  20. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think Trump doesn't intend to screw you over like there was no tomorrow then you are delusional.
    Clinton still answers to the party and can't leave a completely ruined world to the next in line.

  21. In 50 years... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    It's the law's 50th anniversary, and Leahy imagined a world 50 years in the future, when the next generation "will look back at this moment and gauge our commitment to the founding principles of our democracy.

    Indeed they will. And they'll look back at the DHS, TSA, and the Patriot act and laugh at his quote. Or the DHS may have outlawed laughter by they and those who laugh will be executed because, terrorists.

  22. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just Obama... it's the ENTIRE Government.
    I've read a LOT of random classified stuff, leaks and whatnot, enough to see maybe a hundred examples of shit they blacked out and redacted, and the SAME document later unredacted. NONE, ABSOLUTELY NONE, of the formerly redacted stuff was anything "gravely damaging" to the country. The ONLY thing it was ever gravely damaging to was.... THE GOVERNMENT AND IT'S POLITICIANS AND MUCKITY MUCK BULLSHIT AT HOME AND AROUND THE WORLD.

    Fuck the government, they're worthless and cause more problems than it's worth.
    And I'm tired of paying taxes to support them, their waste, and all their bullshit that's harming us.

  23. Re:Obama. What a joke. by cryptizard · · Score: 2

    All of the bills introduced in congress are posted same-day on https://www.congress.gov/. I don't know about the 5 days thing, but I think it is quite rare for bills to be introduced, passed and signed that quick. I looked at a few of the bills on there and none of them were passed in less than a month after they were introduced, and none of them were signed in fewer than a few weeks after they were passed.

  24. Request needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a free and open society why do we even have to request for PUBLIC records? Why not make them available on-line for all to see.

  25. An illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but more than enough to trick the mind-numb Americans.

  26. Re:Obama. What a joke. by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    Trump will mess you up to his benefit. Hillary will mess you up to her party's benefit. Who do you think has more to mess you up about.

  27. Re:Maybe now... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    They just don't make 'em like Eisenhower anymore. Pretty much the only really good one the US had in the past 100 years.

    Truman. Last President ever who, after he left Office, just went home. No permanent Secret Service detail, none of the privileges modern Presidents get for life....

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  28. #fanniegate by wheeda · · Score: 1

    See gselinks.com for what Obama thinks about the freedom of information. His administration wants to keep an unprecedented 10k documents from seeing the light of day.

  29. Re:Obama. What a joke. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    All of the bills introduced in congress are posted same-day on https://www.congress.gov/. I don't know about the 5 days thing, but I think it is quite rare for bills to be introduced, passed and signed that quick. I looked at a few of the bills on there and none of them were passed in less than a month after they were introduced, and none of them were signed in fewer than a few weeks after they were passed.

    If they weren't signed within 10 days, they become law automatically. So, no, I doubt they were all posted for a few weeks before being signed.

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  30. Re:Obama. What a joke. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    You make a good point, but why can't you think about the children?!

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  31. Re:‘Most Transparent Administration’?! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    Nonsense. He's clearly wearing a coat that's a nice shade of green.

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  32. Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    he certainly won't be "same as the old boss."

    Aside from aesthetics (eg, actually yelling at people who may or may not need to be yelled at), Trump won't change shit.

    Not even the horrific tyranny that is 'signing statements' don't even give the office of the president the power people seem to attribute to that office.

    Trump won't change shit. Sanders wouldn't have changed shit. Hillary loves bathing in the current shit. So, we're stuck with a shitshow, no matter who gets in.

    Because nobody is going to vote to replace the Gentleman from Pork For My State.

  33. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You blame 9/11 on the election of GWB. You're dumber than a pile of excrement that has already cooled off.

  34. Re: Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should we all assume that you are ina position to know what would be gravely damaging if the right people saw the same information? I think about classified documents in the same way I think about HIPAA documents. A medical condition isn't secret or private, until you associate out with a particular person. Even then, you will still find this info on social media, and the people posting it think there is no problem. Somehow this information is considered more sensitive if employers and insurers find out about it. Same information, but the audience matters.

  35. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    National security isn't the only reason for redaction; it's not even the most common one. Off the top of my head, reasons for redaction of information (sometimes withholding the entire document) include: presence of personally identifying information that is not work contact information; medical information pertaining to a person; internal process documentation; active police investigation; active prosecution or court involvement; trade secrets; or exemption from disclosure granted by other law. There are others; apparently in the US, documents related to oil and gas wells are exempt from FOIA requests.

    After a while, some of those may cease to apply, or the law may change. You can end up with an unredacted document which doesn't seem that different from the redacted one. There's definitely rules-lawyering and obstruction that takes advantage of the law or puts up as many road blocks as possible (usually involving time), but even good-faith compliance usually takes time and doesn't end up including everything we might like it to for established, valid reasons.

    Hell, the sheer volume of records that may apply to a request has increased considerably from the days when typewritten correspondence was the norm. Emails didn't used to be considered records for the purposes of FOIA; neither did information in databases. Staffing rarely matches need, and many of the people responsible for filling requests have other shit they need to get done.

    Sure, government doesn't do everything you want in a 100% efficient way (that doesn't and can't exist). Most people still prefer it to anarchy.

  36. Last time I looked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The United States is a Republic....not a Democracy (a good thing mostly).

  37. Re:Obama. What a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if GWB had paid half as much attention to the warnings he was given about terrorists and airliner-based attacks that he did to rumours of yellowcake in Iraq, 9/11 might not have happened.

    The airplane-as-bomb strategy had already been dreamed up while Clinton was still in office. An attempt to try it in the Philippines was quietly quashed.

  38. JFK Please ! by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    How about we finally get every bit of information about the JFK assassination with no redacted portions and from all investigations by all government agencies into the JFK, Bobby K. and Dr. King's murders. Everybody hold their breath and wait !

  39. All fine and dandy by no-body · · Score: 1

    but from a regular human perspective it's hogwash!

    Where is the majority of information concerning regular individuals kept?

    Try to get an insurance, high chances are that you are asked for your SS-#, for what purpose?

    In the US, there is one great feature: The whole population is indexed on one key - SS-# where there was one original purpose and its use has subsequently expanded to what it is now - the ultimate exploitation tool.

    Try getting a company to disclose what data it has about you, something similar to a FOIA possibiliy available with US government. Seems you have no rights whatsoever and need to pay an attorney to get anything going in that directions.

    Let's say you perceive something may be wrong and try to clear it up by asking for disclosure, what are your rights and what are the obligations of the other side? Looks like one needs to engage an attorney - pay those great hourly rates - and pray something will come out of it.

    How about a basic consumer protection law putting the duty on the side storing those data?

    Maybe it exists, dunno, sure feels quite outlandish something like that exists with all what is going on with this current political bribery scheme...

  40. Re:Maybe now... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    None of those compare with Buchanan, who basically created the situation which led to the Civil War. By his lack of leadership, and appeasement of the most militant of the slavery supporters, Buchanan made the Civil War inevitable.

    There is reason to believe that Obama may have set us up for a second Civil War. Time will tell. I believe that historians of the distant future will consider Obama to be either the last President of the Constitutional Republic, or the first President of whatever they call our new government (which is no longer bound by the Constitution).

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  41. FOIA is for NASA and NOAA by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

    I doubt this bill is just about targeting Hillary et al. The people who are going to get hit with FOIA requests will be climatologists at NASA and NOAA. They're already compelled to release the raw data (which they do anyway), but now they'll be forced to fork over every single email they ever sent so that the the Senate Environmental Committee can continue its climate conspiracy witch hunt.

  42. The definition of "ironic" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Leahy imagined a world 50 years in the future, when the next generation "will look back at this moment and gauge our commitment to the founding principles of our democracy."

    Nothing against Patrick Leahy, but - I imagine when the next generation looks back at this era in American history, they'll see it as the moment when the government attempted to flush the "founding principles of our democracy" down the toilet.

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  43. We need a bigger marker, lads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tl;dr: new law commands that new black markers with wider nibs be used so more FOIA requests can be redacted and released. Americans and the environment win big as the US moves to reduce the waste generated by billions of tiny markers.

  44. Re: Maybe now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kennedy?

  45. Might be nice for software by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    The requirement to provide the materials in an electronic format gets rid of the "send crates of printed pages" response to a FOIA request for government software, but I did not see a requirement or standard method to indicate where material had been redacted from the middle of information presented in electronic format.

    1. Re:Might be nice for software by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      ...I did not see a requirement or standard method to indicate where material had been redacted from the middle of information presented in electronic format.

      They can just scan the pages after redacting them and make a PDF of page images available. It would technically be an electronic version of the document, but the redaction would be non-reversible and the page would still not be super-easy to search, being an image still.

  46. Sanctions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the law includes no additional sanctions for federal agencies or officials who violate the FOIA, the impact of these changes will be negligible which is why the law passed in the first place.

  47. Re:Obama. What a joke. by cryptizard · · Score: 1

    I don't know how it works but sometimes it shows that a bill was passed by both the house and senate but not presented to the president for another few days or a week. So some of them have 2-3 weeks between passing and being signed. But anyway my point was that none of them (that I could see) were passed and signed within 5 days.

  48. Standard Bill Clinton behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Clinton held-off on many policies his liberal base wanted, like his clean water proposal (I'll get back to that in a moment...)

    In his first term, he did not do a bunch of stuff so he could tell his base he needed to be re-elected to "get the job done" (Obama copied this play)

    In his second term, he avoided the stuff his base wanted but which he and his team knew would be unlawful or unworkable or just plain bad policy because he did not want his administration tarred with the bad effects of those policies. Then, in the waning months of his second term, Clinton started pushing a bunch of the bad stuff safe in the knowledge that it would either be implemented by his successor and thus harm THAT administration, or that his successor would cancel the policy and then could be attacked for it.

    Back to Bill Clinton's clean water example: Bill put in place a policy to force all the cities and towns in the country to purify the outflow from their sewage treatment plants to insanely high standards (in many towns, the water would have to be more pure than the well water the cities were pulling INTO their main water supply!) Remember: These standards NEVER applied during Bill's time in office. When the Bush administration came in and saw how much money many small towns would have to spend (and could not afford) and killed the policy (thereby leaving the water standards exactly where they had been through 8 years of Bill Clinton) the left immediately pounced and started loudly attacking Bush for wanting to poison the nation with lead and arsenic in the drinking water. (Note: this policy had NOTHING to do with the Flint,MI lead policy which was a failure by both Republicans and Democrats at the local, state, and federal levels to provide water even at the Clinton-era safety levels)

  49. Except shit ain't like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story and legislation is a PR stunt. It lends to the "appearance" of you-can-actually-see-what-they-do. It is a lie.

    A mother FUCKING lie straight up.

    To tie it so heavy-handed to "50th anniversary of oh wow"... don't be misled sheep. Barack Obama is guilty of treason for immigration and money issues alone, let alone the buzzword "globalization" covering for actually misappropriating taxpayer funds. Just to service the debt the US bears right now is too much. Meaning: just the interest on the debt is overwhelming. Not all of the debt is disclosed nor is it possible to report because they refuse to print an M3 money supply report.

    All lies. Spies and lies and dies.

  50. Re:Obama. What a joke. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    OK. Thanks for the clarification.

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  51. Re: Maybe now... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Kennedy had the Cuba Crisis as his high point. Any of the dimwits today would've led us into a nuclear catastrophe.

    He was a womanizer that makes Clinton look like a chaste saint, but being able to avoid a nuclear war kinda nixes that. Why should I give two shits about who he fucks as long as he keeps the country from getting fucked?

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  52. Meanwhile here in the UK by Fudoka · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile here in the UK. Ex-PM Tony Blair reckons that the watered down FOIA he implemented was the worst decision he made - and that includes the Iraq war - and the current incumbents are doing their best to water it down even further. They'd scrap it completely if they could but even the Daily Fascist^Mail would complain if they did.

  53. Re:Maybe now... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Truman buckled in to Stalin about Europe, didn't really stop McCarthy's bullshit (that took Eisenhower to actually finally get rid of), kicked MacArthur out and generally fucked up Korea to the state it is today.

    Sorry, but as much as I want to like him, he simply was a complete dud when it comes to foreign politics.

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  54. Re: Maybe now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was a womanizer that makes Clinton look like a chaste saint

    Yeah, well, he had better taste in his women than Clinton too, but his coke habit was nothing to sneeze at...