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More Than 500,000 Hoverboards Recalled Because of Fire Hazards (go.com)

501,000 self-balancing scooters -- more popularly known as hoverboards -- are being recalled due to fire hazard concerns, said The U.S. Consumer Product Safety. The lithium-ion battery packs in the hoverboards can overheat -- which could result in sparking, smoking, fire, and explosion -- the agency added. ABC reports:The recall involves hoverboards from eight manufacturers/importers that are made with lithium-ion battery packs as well as 4,300 from Overstock.com and 1,300 from a store in Pennsylvania. Amazon.com is not listed in the recall, but in February, the online giant worked with the CPSC to offer refunds to any customer who wanted to return hoverboards purchased on the site. Hoverboards by Swagway make up more than half of those recalled -- 267,000. "We are urging consumers to act quickly," CPSC Chairman Elliot Kaye told ABC News. "We've concluded pretty definitively that these are not safe products the way they were designed."

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  1. All I can say to this is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what?

    1. Re:All I can say to this is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many thousands of people are killed by regular skateboards? And how many by hoverboards? Come on, do the bloody math!

    2. Re:All I can say to this is... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      do the bloody math

      I see what you did there... But I suspect that people dying on skateboards are usually not killed by skateboards.

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    3. Re:All I can say to this is... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      So this is a case of "Skateboards don't kill people, ... "

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    4. Re:All I can say to this is... by Deadstick · · Score: 0

      Screw up on your regular hoverboard and you can kill yourself. Screw up with LiPo batteries and you can kill me.

    5. Re:All I can say to this is... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I think something more appropriate would have been "Great Scott!"

    6. Re:All I can say to this is... by beanpoppa · · Score: 1

      A regular skateboard doesn't have the very real possibility of burning down your house. house

  2. first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Customers aren't your QA, nitwits!

    1. Re:first by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

      Customers aren't your QA, nitwits!

      If you didn't pay for the product... you ARE the product.
      If you're on the leading edge... you ARE the QA.

      Tesla wants to strap a giant lithium battery bank against the side of your house and connect it to the power grid. There's a good spot, right next to the kids' bedroom.

      KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON (testing)

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  3. Should list those NOT recalled by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    They listed a ton of brands. I think it would be easier to do a list of hoverboards that are NOT proven fire hazards, rather than the other way around.

    Also is there some reason those lithium batteries only went into hoverboards? Or did some go into other devices - and are those other devices safe?

    After all, it's not the wheels or actual standing area that's the problem.

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    1. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Rei · · Score: 0

      I can say this: in the process of sourcing products from China, you run into a *lot* of places there (producers, middlemen) selling hoverboard-like things for dirt cheap. QA is surely almost nonexistent. Western companies can buy them and resell them for a big profit. And the results are ever-so predictable.

      You never import from China without doing rigorous product inspection and testing - because they'll only manufacture to the minimum standard needed in order to get you to pay them. They can, and will, manufacture to good standards, but only if that's their only way to get your money. The buyer is basically the QA team, not the producer. That goes double for things that involve 1) precision, 2) moving parts, and 3) electronics.

      The fault of course lies in the manufacturing culture in China, but it also lies on the importers who either didn't know or didn't care and just bought from some random producer (who has no reputation to protect and will gladly just change the name on the sign if things turn south) without testing their products to death, just because the fit & finish looked good enough.

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    2. Re: Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The messed up part is China actually has high standards for electrical and electronics. But the regulations don't apply to products made for export. They can build a rod that plugs into the wall and tells you to put it in your bathtub and it's okay as long as it's for export.

    3. Re: Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably stock being dumped on the US after being recalled in Europe before Christmas. The problem with those wasn't the battery itself, but the design of the inbuilt charger circuit. The boards were all clones of each other, the first of which had a design flaw.

    4. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by known_coward_69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      this is the way US manufacturing used to be. until ladder manufacturers were sued, ladder makers would skimp every penny from the final product and 80's news stories are full of companies whining about spending an extra nickel for some safety part.

    5. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The batteries didn't only go into hoverboards. It's just that in hoverboards they are present in such large quantities, typically with poor charge circuits and overheat protection, because cost is everything.

      Lots of cheap lithium batteries from China suffer problems -- see the occasional e-cigarette fire/explosion -- but these toys just present enough density of poorly designed, aggregated lithium batteries that they present a significant risk. It's a new, underregulated product sold at aggressively low prices that needs a lot of battery power.

      Combine this with effectively having only a few OEMs making poorly differentiated base devices and you have a mass-produced high-risk product.

      It's not very fair to blame China specifically for this, when many countries have lemon laws in their recent history to deal with this sort of stuff in other product ranges (tumble dryers, cars, tanning beds, electric fires, electric fan heaters...)

    6. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      It's probably more the fault of cheap charging circuits than the batteries, but since it's the batteries that go WOOSH and burn your house down, they are getting all the credit.

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    7. Re: Should list those NOT recalled by bjb_admin · · Score: 1

      I have seen those things, which are supposed to be used to heat up bath water. It isn't even a heating element, it is
      just two plates connected to each terminal of the AC.

      You might as well just throw a toaster in the bath instead.

    8. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the Pinto story was that Ford calculated it was cheaper to pay the settlements than to fix all the cars with the defect.

    9. Re: Should list those NOT recalled by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      They can build a rod that plugs into the wall and tells you to put it in your bathtub and it's okay as long as it's for export.

      So they're not going for the cultural victory?

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    10. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well I'm not surprised. Have you seen nickel prices?

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    11. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's how a purely free market would behave, and libertarians just don't get the problem with it.

    12. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or did some go into other devices

      This isn't likely a battery problem but a device problem. Safe operation of LiPo batteries depends on sophisticated charging circuitry, and if a manufacturer cuts corners on that, the user won't know it until the fire starts.

      One way of cheating on safety: Design the charger to deliver high current for a fast charge. Good example here: LiPo's have largely supplanted IC engines in model airplanes, and there's an incentive to charge at high rates so you can get in more flying in a day. Modelers take the battery out of the airplane and fast-charge it in a fireproof bag. They could leave it in there and get away with it most of the time, but they usually have the good sense not to.

      An adolescent kid doesn't want to wait several hours to charge his hoverboard, and a fireproof bag would be an alarm bell to Dad, so the manufacturer has a motivation to work on the edge.

    13. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Yeah, over 3 cents melted down.

    14. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians have a problem with force or fraud. If the product doesn't meet the specs, and that is concealed, that's fraud.

      If it does meet the specs but the specs are poorly written, well, caveat emptor, and be careful what you wish for.

    15. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if an unscrupulous vendor spends literally all day coming up with excuses about "poorly written specs" and gets away with it because I have better things to do than spend literally *my* whole day writing up an absolutely airtight 50-page-legal-contract way of saying "do the damned job I'm paying you to do," well apparently it's my fault for not being an omniscient expert on everything.

      This is why most people stop being libertarians when they get out of college and realize that they don't actually know everything about everything, and hey it's kind of nice that I can just buy a car and take for granted that the safety features and emissions control work and its gets at least approximately the advertised mileage.

    16. Re: Should list those NOT recalled by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://www.alibaba.com/produc...

      Somehow I don't think that is really CE CEC or FDA approved as the picture implies.

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    17. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Apparently it is your fault that you choose not to sue the person committing fraud against you.

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    18. Re:Should list those NOT recalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are ALL in the hands of a group of PSYCHOPATHS thinking along this lines: **hoverboards GREAT... Not I. Not hoverboards. GREAT.** and decides to find a way to kill the hoverboard because YOU ALL COULD NOT FIND A WAY TO SAY THIS NEWS IS MADNESS. You do not go out and by a three hoverboard, there is NO AVAILABLE EQUIVALENT OPTION. You recall these hoverboards and who knows when you will be able to buy another one! I have been missing my chance to get one for reasons beyond my control, but after this by the time I recover control I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND ONE! You are EXPECTED to go ranting and crying and saying whoever is scared that hoverboards might produce FIRE is a WACKO because it _IS_ a wacko using an excuse! I want to know of AT LEAST ONE FIRE cause by LiPo batteries, ONE SINGLE FIRE. Anything bigger than a lighter flame harm. A SINGLE ONE. DOCUMENTED. When wackos say FIRE and you have never known of any real FIRE there, it is because the wackos SEE A SCHIZOPHRENIC LIGHT over some person and call it a FIRE, and, of course, they want to SHUT DOWN THE LIGHT (sic), so any tool or excuse will be OK. Say goodbye to a modern superproduct, you all together lose en masse before such wackos.

  4. Should be using APPboards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only LUDDITE hoverboards catch fire! Modern appy appboards are 100% appy so they always app perfectly!

    Apps!

    1. Re:Should be using APPboards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm appy, I'm appy, I'm appy appy appy, I'm appy

    2. Re:Should be using APPboards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pharrell Williams is the appity-app-app guy.

      I should have known!

    3. Re:Should be using APPboards! by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      You really need help. Or a job if you have this much time on your hands. Lucky for you there are apps for both problems.

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  5. Re:Der? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    Is this directed at the GPU article from earlier today?

    Otherwise while i've never owned a "hoverboard" most lithium batteries aren't 12v.

    lithium chargers are typically some oddball voltage 4 4.1 4.2 15v or something hard to find like that.

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  6. Ok but why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the usual li-ion battery circuitry preventing overcharging missing/broken? Does the battery get crushed from the weight of the human? What's going wrong here?

    "It can be dangerous!" doesn't tell me anything I don't already know about compact stores of energy.

    1. Re:Ok but why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Li-Ion Battery are finicky. The charge must be done properly and with tight tolerance. If not they Burn.
      Nickle Batteries were more tolerant of charging abuse. Abuse just led to shorter cycle life.

    2. Re:Ok but why? by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is the usual li-ion battery circuitry preventing overcharging missing/broken? Does the battery get crushed from the weight of the human? What's going wrong here?

      "It can be dangerous!" doesn't tell me anything I don't already know about compact stores of energy.

      Cheap, uncertified charging circuit designs and components rushed into production by about a zillion chinese companies trying to cash in on the craze. Combine that with the size of the battery packs (much larger than what you would find in most consumer electronics) and you get a nice, big fire hazard.

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    3. Re:Ok but why? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Really, LiIon, especially the newer formulations are quite easy to charge properly. Just set max voltage at 4.2V, current limit it to around 1C and cutoff at about 1/10 C and you're golden. It really says a lot that they managed to screw it up.

    4. Re:Ok but why? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Charging the various lithium chemistry batteries safely is not that difficult and no more complicated than most other battery chemistries although the failures are more serious. I think what is happening is that they are exceeding the safe power density of the batteries to reduce charge time and increase power.

    5. Re:Ok but why? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain you're wrong. As I recall most common rechargable batteries can simply be connected to a "dumb" charger that delivers "unlimited" current at [slightly less than maximum-charge voltage for the chemistry] and be fine - internal resistance will naturally ensure that actual current draw is limited to safe levels. With LiIon though, if I recall correctly, you have to be sure to current-limit the charger based on the battery capacity as it's quite capable of charging faster than it can safely dissipate the waste heat. There's also issues related to aging - unlike most batteries whose electrodes gradually degrade with time until they can't conduct electricity anymore, LiIons form tendrils that will eventually short the electrodes together, causing 100% of delivered power to be dissipated as heat and potentially causing fires even at what would have been safe charging currents for a healthy battery.

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    6. Re:Ok but why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I recall most common rechargable batteries can simply be connected to a "dumb" charger that delivers "unlimited" current at [slightly less than maximum-charge voltage for the chemistry] and be fine

      Name some. Hell, name *one*.
      Lead acid? Nope.
      NiCd? Nope.
      NiMH? Nope.
      LiCo? Nope.
      LiFe? Nope.

      internal resistance will naturally ensure that actual current draw is limited to safe levels

      No, it won't.

    7. Re:Ok but why? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Lead-acid batteries are the only other common secondary battery that can use constant voltage charging and except for flooded cells and sometimes not even with them, they must be current limited to prevent damage.

    8. Re:Ok but why? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Really, LiIon, especially the newer formulations are quite easy to charge properly. Just set max voltage at 4.2V, current limit it to around 1C and cutoff at about 1/10 C and you're golden. It really says a lot that they managed to screw it up.

      What it says is that a lot of these devices aren't being balance charged. They've just got a hot and a ground and they are charging the whole pack. Most of them would probably be just fine more or less forever if you fixed that problem.

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  7. Why the recall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The companies selling dangerous ones will get sued out of existence. The ones selling better ones will thrive. That's the market in action. Hillary doesn't have to get involved every time a kid scratches his knee.
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    1. Re:Why the recall? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      The companies selling dangerous ones will get sued out of existence. The ones selling better ones will thrive. That's the market in action. Hillary doesn't have to get involved every time a kid scratches his knee. -- roman_mir

      Or a couple of houses burn down but whatever...

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    2. Re:Why the recall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0) This is about things catching fire, not kids scratching their knees.

      1) Only after people have been seriously injured or killed. If preservation of human life and limb is less important to you than perfect adherence to your ideology, you're in the category of religious nutter.

      2) You need money to sue people, a lot of money to sue rich people, and a HUGE amount of money to sue people living abroad.

      3) No, that's not how limited liability works. The companies will, at worst, declare bankruptcy, the losses will be socialised, and the owners will set up a new company.

      4) Safety thresholds are a cost-benefit calculation - you can build products that injure or even kill a few people and, as long as enough people buy it, you're still quids in. Certain car manufacturers were infamous for having performed these calculations in the past, pre-regulation. I'm not sure you understand how an economic market works.

    3. Re:Why the recall? by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The companies selling dangerous ones will get sued out of existence.

      No, the shell corporations that own them will blow away with the smoke and business will resume under another shell.

    4. Re:Why the recall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0) This is about things catching fire, not kids scratching their knees.

      Yeah, it's horrible the number of kids who have burned to death by being trapped inside a flaming hoverboard.

      Oh, wait...

    5. Re:Why the recall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy strawman!

      Libertarianism: where "nobody's died yet, so products spontaneously catching fire isn't that bad" is a genuine argument.

  8. Pathetic gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing more pathetic than them is the original 'transportation revolution' Segway. There is no hovering to these ridiculous contraptions.

    1. Re:Pathetic gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet Segway products don't burst into flame. Even the newest Ninebot by Segway products, which are manufactured in China but to the new UL standards.

      The flaws Segway has found in knockoff "hoverboards" include battery shorts, charger shorts, charger over- and under-voltage, and the occasional "other" short.

      (Segway employee posting as anonymous coward.)

  9. In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... because they can't hover.

    1. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just figured it was a conspiracy to set douchebags on fire. I'm disappointed that someone went public.

    2. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... because they can't hover.

      They do briefly when they explode

    3. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing "uncontrolled flight along a random trajectory" with "floating in place or along a user-controlled route".

    4. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      ... because they can't hover.

      Dakine1493 wrote on reddit:
      Pencil lead is made of carbon.
      Koala bears are marsupials.
      Jellyfish aren't fish.
      A peanut is actually a legume.
      Strawberries aren't berries.
      Guinea pigs are rodents.
      Chinese checkers didn't even come from Asia, let alone China.
      Tin foil is made of aluminum.
      You dial your phone although you haven't used a rotary phone in years.
      Hoverboards don't actually hover.

      Other day VTA train called Control asking can a passenger bring a hoverboard on board, I first wondered what this is (can't be the same as in the movie). They said hoverboards not allowed on the train.

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    5. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      For the record, I never approved of peanuts either.

    6. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The definitions I found don't say anything about "user control". There are OTHER problems with my word usage, but itza fricken joke, dammit. Stop hovering around the dictionary. Get out and walk the dog or something.

    7. Re:In my opinion they should be recalling them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares.

  10. Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I see an advertisement for a Hoverboard right at the top of the page as I write this post.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      did you do a screen grab? Whenever I find such ad/article mismatches, I save these in my "diatribes" folder. i.e. Article about Putin expanding Russian military forces and on the side the ad says, "Meet Russian Beauties!"

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    2. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diatribes - the ones in the brown loincloths.

  11. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is the FDA going to regulate them?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After the 15+ years of clinical trials... after which they will be fully covered and paid for by Medicaid, because some court will rule that welfare rats have a "constitutional right to personal transportation devices to look for a job"

      However, private insurance won't cover them, and the cash pay price will be around $13,000.

      Side effects include but are not limited to: Drymouth, dizzy spells, periodic tunnel vision, wandering elbow, reddening of the hair, sudden urge to leave the room, nostalgia, waxy build-up, sprocketing of the clavicle, and muscle cramps. A sudden fear of pancakes may occur, rarely resulting in fainting. Symptoms of grapheme-color synaesthesia occur about the same as with a placebo. Women must not take, handle, or sing songs about hoverboards, due to the risk of certain catastrophic birth defects. If your name starts with a K-sound, consult your doctor before starting a regimen of hoverboards. Like all hydroid-3 gamma inhibitors, hoverboards should be taken while in constant motion. If you experience frequent nosebleeds, have trouble remembering names and dates, or have nightmares about Henry Fonda, stop taking hoverboards. Children should not be told about hoverboards. Some sexual side effects may occur, followed by others. If people experience headaches in your presence, or if dogs bark disproportionately, contact your doctor immediately. Ask your doctor about hoverboards today. And start taking back your life.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since it is Not a Food or a Drug, Never.

    3. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow the clever humour and dumb remarks about welfare rats didn't match, and look, you copied it.

      http://analog-nation.com/blog/2008/02/27/side-effects

    4. Re: So... by mink · · Score: 1

      Dude should have used a happy fun ball disclaimer. It work with only a change of the product name. and some are accurate.

      Kid 1: It hovers!

      Kid 2: It's a board!

      All Three Kids: It's a Hoverbard!

      Announcer: Yes, it's Hoverboard! The toy sensation that's sweeping the nation! Only $199.99 at participating stores! Get one today!

      Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Hoverboard.

      Caution: Hoverboard may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.

      Hoverboard contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.

      Do not use Hoverboard on concrete.

      Discontinue use of Hoverboard if any of the following occurs:
      itching
      vertigo
      dizziness
      tingling in extremities
      loss of balance or coordination
      slurred speech
      temporary blindness
      profuse sweating
      or heart palpitations.

      If Hoverboard begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

      Hoverboard may stick to certain types of skin.

      When not in use, Hoverboard should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of Hoverboard, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.

      Ingredients of Hoverboard include an unknown glowing green substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.

      Hoverboard has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.

      Do not taunt Hoverboard.

      Hoverboard comes with a limited lifetime warranty.

      Announcer: Hoverboard! Accept no substitutes!

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  12. Safe Toys Are No Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. Re:Der? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Charging Voltage for a Li_ion cell is 4.2 +/- 1% The voltage of a Pack will be multiples of that. But that is not enough for a proper charger. The results of an improper charge is "vent with flame".

  14. They are not hoverboards by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    They are a glorified 2 wheel motor-boards. They don't hover in any shape or form they are firmly planted to the ground by 2 wheels. This is a true hoverborad it actually hovers over air

    http://www.wired.com/2015/10/how-the-most-promising-hoverboards-actually-work/

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    1. Re:They are not hoverboards by PvtVoid · · Score: 1
    2. Re:They are not hoverboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wow, really? Thanks for letting us know. It's a good job you're here.

    3. Re:They are not hoverboards by mink · · Score: 1

      We all have these disappointments in life. Like all the "robot" shows which are just fancy RC cars.

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  15. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball by archer,+the · · Score: 2

    or wannabe "hoverboards".

  16. Re:Der? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Lithium batteries are 3.6V, but you still need a way to charge that particular battery type. I remember when NiCad's were all the rage. Then "memory effect" problems came up, and just about every device the NiCad's were used in started to suffer problems (I remember a speak-and-read that just randomly spouted words and then "crashed.") When NiMH came around (basically NiCad Version 2) the same problem happens to devices that were designed for Alkaline batteries.

  17. It's a start by PvtVoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now if we could only recall all of the douchebags who think it's cool to ride them. Extra points for vaping at the same time.

    1. Re:It's a start by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

      Double-extra points for vaping and exploding.

    2. Re:It's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, slightly less obnoxious than skateboarders. Slightly.

    3. Re:It's a start by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is it about hoverboards that pisses everybody off? Sure, a douchebag on one is a pain in the ass. So is a douchebag on rollerblades or a skateboard or a scooter, but I haven't seen them arouse the same kind of animosity...I don't get it.

    4. Re:It's a start by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What is it about hoverboards that pisses everybody off? Sure, a douchebag on one is a pain in the ass. So is a douchebag on rollerblades or a skateboard or a scooter, but I haven't seen them arouse the same kind of animosity...I don't get it.

      SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME

      Perhaps you don't remember the war on skateboarding, but I'm from Santa Cruz so I do even though I was never a skater.

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    5. Re:It's a start by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Well, I teach engineering in Colorado, some of my students skateboard to class, and nobody seems to care. But nobody cares if they toke either, so maybe it's a regional thing.

    6. Re:It's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My kids have them. I bought them because I thought they were cool and my kids would rock stars for a little while. But no, these "hoverboards" are rock-stupid. Walking is faster than these idiotic things, and it promotes good posture and body language. Put someone on a hoverboard and they become a mannequin in motion. We don't ride ours anymore, at all. It's unfriendly.

  18. Re:Der? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3.7 is nominal. At max charge it comes out over 4, briefly, depending on load. When your charge falls below 3.7 you are sucking fumes.

  19. also add this by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    How about they recall every single off-brand garbage battery ever made in China? I've had replacement laptop batteries fail after a week. I've heard quite a few light on fire or melt too. The same goes for the garbage quality set of 2 batteries I got from 2 different vendors for my digital camera. Basically every non-OEM battery ever is a sketchy, dangerous, fire hazard piece of crap and the vendors are lying about their reliability.

    1. Re:also add this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Basically every non-OEM battery ever is a sketchy, dangerous, fire hazard piece of crap and the vendors are lying about their reliability.

      Have you ever opened an OEM pack? There's not a whole lot in there, just some 18650s and a dinky little charge monitor board that you can get off eBay if you want to build your own packs. And they go bad or burst into flames all the time. If anything, the vendors are lying about their reliability.

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  20. Well, just drive them until they fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And burn away. Isn't this the american way of using gadgets and doing business?

  21. Swag! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Personally I suggest people who bought a product from a company called Swagway just stand on them and burn with their toy.

  22. No excuse for poor design,100% complete ineptitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The level of complete ineptitude on the part of the hardware designer is astounding. Plenty of scooters and other vehicles have been powered by Li-ion batteries and all of them seem to have no trouble with power protection circuits that keep the Li-ion battery in safe operating temperature. Most of these self balancing scooters (I refuse to call them hoverboards) have about the same amount of Li-ion cells as an average laptop. Don't see anything about laptops blowing off peoples hands. Even if this designer didn't know how to make a power regulation and charging circuit they could have easily found an off the shelf premade one to use. I'm surprised no one has tried to sue these companies for neglect given how poorly designed and poorly tested this Russian Roulette board is.

  23. Change the marketing by gazelam · · Score: 1

    They just need to re-brand these as 'Hoverboard Extreme' and they can sell as many as they like. For the hipsters shooting vines of their hoverboard tricks, the added features of these so-called defects can only put more eyeballs on the link.

    1. Re:Change the marketing by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I did a school project on hoverboard technology back in the day. Every time I mention this and the unlikely practicality of the lightning-like ionization levels required, someone invariably points out how cool that would be, power consumption and safety be damned.

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  24. Re:No excuse for poor design,100% complete ineptit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're making a false assumption. If the hardware designer is tasked with coming up with the lowest-priced, cheapest-to-manufacture design which doesn't blow up before leaving the factory, he's doing a fine job.

  25. Re:Der? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    3.7v is nominal, 4.2 is a typical max for charging. 3.3 is typical for cutoff, 3.0 is typical for LOW cutoff. some cutoffs are even set lower than 3, which I find quite shocking (forgive the pun).

    if you find a battery that is more than 3.7v and uses lithium, its a true battery, meaning its comprised of CELLS and each cell is the 3.7v unit

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  26. Major improvement by pinkushun · · Score: 1

    Remember the time when those laptop batteries got recalled, over heating and exploding?

    From burning crotches to burning feet, I dare say, consumer technology is improving!