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Facebook Lays Out Blueprint For Connecting Hard-To-Reach Rural Areas (cnet.com)

Samantha Rhodes, writing for CNET: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg took another step in his pet project to bring internet access to every corner of the planet. Facebook on Wednesday unveiled a platform that will give barebones connectivity to far-flung rural communities, called OpenCellular. The social-networking company will provide the skeleton for what you would need to bring cellular access, complete with open-source software that lets potential partners update and tweak the service to meet a community's needs. OpenCellular marks Facebook's latest attempt to push its goal of worldwide access, which aims to connect the last four billion people without internet access and the 10 percent of the population without cellular service. It's a priority for Facebook and Zuckerberg, even if not everyone agrees with their methods. Rather than go at it alone, this new program will rely on partners to run with the blueprints that it has drawn up.

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  1. Facebook will pay carriers by aglider · · Score: 1

    To be able to Snoop on people. Everything boils down to this!

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    1. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by ZipK · · Score: 1

      LMFTFY: "Facebook will pay carriers" to enable customers to exchange their personal information for interweb and FB services.

    2. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      LMFTFA: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg took another step in his pet project to harvest and sell every bit of personal information about every product, er- person, living in every corner of the planet.

    3. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by PPH · · Score: 0

      I don't usually quote this source. But it seems particularly applicable: Revelation 13:15-17

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    4. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I *am* a rural Internet user. Yeah, it would be kind of nice to have a high-speed option that doesn't involve satellite lag and bandwidth caps, but damn... I'll make do with what I have if FB is the only other option. Most of us out here feel much the same: Fuck Facebook, and fuck their intrusive monetization plans. We'll do just fine without it, thanks.

      Also, a thought for the city-dwellers: the lack of infrastructure such as broadband, non-well water systems, non-septic sewer, etc tends to keep people away from here. Heh - I barely get two bars of cell service on Verizon, none on any other carrier, and only get a signal on Verizon with a new (2015 or better) phone.

      I kind of prefer it that way sometimes, since I moved out here to get the frig away from an increasingly overcrowded world of urban hipsters, wannabe gangsters, and McMansion-dwellers. If it means limited Internet, so be it - I'll make do, and I can do pretty well with what I do have. Netflix and Torrents are out of the question here (30 GB bandwidth cap), but that's okay with me.

      If Google Fiber (or whatever) showed up tomorrow, I'd definitely look into it, but it's not really a must-have if having it means a loss of privacy.

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    5. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I see a few FB employees are on /. today with mod points... ;)

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    6. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by evilviper · · Score: 0

      Also, a thought for the city-dwellers: the lack of infrastructure such as broadband, non-well water systems, non-septic sewer, etc tends to keep people away from here.

      Here in a metro area of 500,000+ people, the vast majority are on septic systems, and it's a huge ordeal with public outcry when some small areas are told they have to connect to the city sewer system. Same when water lines are extended and households are told they must stop using their wells and pay to connect to city water.

      I can understand why. Meters cost money, so municipal sewer utilities just multiply your water usage by their (lower) rate to generate your bill. This despite the fact that 90% of some people's water goes to their lawns and NOT down the sewer. Septic systems can have big-ticket maintenance if you screw up your leech field, but mostly they're a one-time cost that people don't even spend a few hundred dollars to have pumped for a few decades, and replacement is typically only after 50+ years.

      City services are an ordeal in general. You have to pay for services like water even if you don't use it, per city regs. This seems to be a tax on maintaining empty properties.

      I barely get two bars of cell service on Verizon, none on any other carrier,

      You're only talking about ground-level, though. Wireless is limited by line-of-sight, obstacles and curvature of the earth. Go up on top of your roof to see if signal strength improves, and either pole-mounted repeaters or fixed cellular antennas might get you service from the cheaper carriers with less than perfect coverage.

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    7. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      re: muni water/sewer... agree, totally. It is a trade-off between a higher power bill to run the pump/softener/etc, but then again, many small towns (in Oregon) have a 'base rate' of $60+/mo just to have that water meter piped to their homes, no matter the usage... larger towns are usually $30-$40/mo plus a base consumption level. I'll keep the well, in spite of the maintenance (filters, periodic shocking, etc) and the weird pre-filter smell (Iron sulfide - yay!).

      Sewer is okay, as long as (as you've said) you don't screw up the leach field. Costs a few hundred bucks to pump the tank once every decade or so for an empty-nest couple with periodic visitors, but otherwise I don't even notice it outside of insuring septic-safe products when shopping.

      As for cell signal, it's more to do with the little valley I live in combined with a lack of towers that reach into it. I could theoretically climb one of the bigger trees (up to 100'-125' tall) and likely get the same results. :)

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    8. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      In my area you have 90 days to connect to a new service sewer or water main in the area. If you do not connect in the first 90 then you are served official notice by the city marshal and given another 90 days. After 180 days the city will get your power meter removed and condemn the property until you connect to the sewer or water mains.

      So. Everyone hooked up to sewer and everyone got a water meter. But a lot just put a single water faucet one foot from the new water meter and kept her house on well water. Because the sewer user fee is based on the amount of water used on the meter. The city then added a minimum sewer fee of $10 and a min water fee of $10.

    9. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satan to Saddam : " You make me horny when you go biblical and all "

    10. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Now ol Zompa will get to pose with his yak and make his fellow villagers J .

    11. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a way to get broadband to the boonies.
      Are you more than 50 miles from fiber?

      If so, you may need more than one of these.

    12. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're an empty-nest couple, too.

      We're on a city water supply that has very hard water. Have to run a water softener constantly, and that's been the case for the last 5 of 8 homes we've lived in, spread across 2/3 of Illinois. Water companies don't soften the water for us here, you get soft water if it comes out of the ground that way. If you don't soften it, most appliances and faucets are limed up within a few months.

      The electricity costs for running a private well pump are minimal. My parents are on a well, their water pump uses about 2-4kwh a month. That's about $0.50/mo. The wife and I are paying $42/mo for our city water bill. My parents' water tests at 3.5gpg directly from their well. Ours tests at 11.5gpg. We run a water softener. Add about $5 worth of salt a month.

      We do have septic, and have had it at 4 of the 8 last homes. If you don't have it pumped ever 2-4 years things can sometimes get problematic when you're running a water softener. The cost to have it pumped is about $175 here. Averages to about $3/mo if you figure 3 years. People on city sewer nearby pay $25/mo for that service.

    13. Re:Facebook will pay carriers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Fuck Facebook, and fuck their intrusive monetization plans. We'll do just fine without it, thanks.

      Which article are you incensed about? Not TFA, it would seem.

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  2. Four billion you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we make an average of a dollar a month, that's almost fifty billion a year.

  3. Why remote? Why rural? by mcguirez · · Score: 2

    I would like to see an OpenCellular network spring up for those of us already connected, but connected through giant monopolistic profit centers.

    Since these existing ISPs aren't really serving the needs of my community - shouldn't we have the ability to replace them?

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  4. It's not real internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only access into Facebook's walled garden where they can harvest your data, tell you how you should vote, etc.

  5. They need to concentrate of fixing their website.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so that it works better on dial-up before spending huge amounts of money on infrastructure. I live in Seattle so dial-up is the fastest option in my building, and it usually takes me half a dozen tries just to get the Facebook page to load. If people on OpenCellular can't even load facebook.com, what good will it be?

  6. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comment makes you sound like someone who would complain about doctors who are administering vaccines in third-world countries instead of setting up shop in your community to provide more competition for your already pretty-good health care providers....

  7. Living at the last mile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets potential partners update and tweak the service to meet a community's needs.

    Right, a $100K/yr sysadmin going to want to live at these places to help tweak network bandwidth? Cause with open source, you'll going to need one. Sure, there are smart kids in these rural areas, but you still need a higher education experience to work with open source.

    1. Re:Living at the last mile by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      lets potential partners update and tweak the service to meet a community's needs.

      Right, a $100K/yr sysadmin going to want to live at these places to help tweak network bandwidth? Cause with open source, you'll going to need one. Sure, there are smart kids in these rural areas, but you still need a higher education experience to work with open source.

      I make well north of $100k (work-from-home), live 50 miles in the sticks outside of Portland, OR, know QoS well enough, and I wouldn't mind helping my neighbors out if it wasn't too much of a burden on time (pop. density in my 'neighborhood' is 14/mile, and I know 12 of them very well). OTOH, Facebook is a privacy-suck, so the answer would be 'no'.

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  8. Facebook is the new AOL by dysmal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Think about it. When AOL came out and got a lot of people online, most of them thought of "the internet" as whatever AOL presented to them. How many people do YOU know that think of "the internet" as whatever is on FB?

    1. Re:Facebook is the new AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're still dealing with the effects of AOL sending a CD to every trailer park in the country.

    2. Re:Facebook is the new AOL by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Think about it. When AOL came out and got a lot of people online, most of them thought of "the internet" as whatever AOL presented to them. How many people do YOU know that think of "the internet" as whatever is on FB?

      I'm ok with this if it means Eternal September moves to Facebook.

  9. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Out here in the Oregon Coastal Range, we actually do have something like that: http://www.coho.net/

    Pretty solid local ISP, radio-based (so line-of-sight is a must), and in spite of their no-torrent policy, pretty awesome people to work with. I'm not a customer (I live in a small valley w/ no tower in range or sight), but folks I know who are can't stop saying how good they are.

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  10. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by sabri · · Score: 1

    There is always Exede, or any other satellite based internet service. Granted, latency sucks and it isn't great for real-time communications such as voip or skype, but in general it works great.

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  11. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Since these existing ISPs aren't really serving the needs of my community - shouldn't we have the ability to replace them?

    You DO have the ability to replace them. But it's expensive. So, got the money? Or when you said "replace them" did you mean "get someone else to replace them"?

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  12. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    I use Exede... pricey, but pretty good. Company VPN is rock-solid, webex and VoIP works well enough, and since I do *nix, ssh sessions are almost perfectly smooth.

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  13. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    I had Hughes for a while. Way too much lag for VPN or VoIP.

  14. OpenBTS or WiFi? by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's OpenBTS, not Facebook's new project, that developed incredibly cheap 2.5G GSM service on cheap, software defined radio hardware. That made some sense at the time, but today, why wouldn't you build your wireless network on WiFi instead?

    A WiFi AP costs less than $20, and is very powerful if upgraded to OpenWRT, enabling wireless repeaters, QoS, local services, billing, and whatnot. GSM hardware (even with OpenBTS replacing most of it) is still much more expensive, is crufty and old, with security issues and overhead from a different telcom era that doesn't make sense to copy, today.

    People want data more than voice, and VoIP makes the later easy over WiFi, too, with open source apps like CSipSimple integrating well with the Android dialer, logs, and contacts. The only thing traditional cellular/GSM has going for it is smooth hand-off, and circa 2008 the 802.11r (fast BSS) addresses that issue nicely.

    Don't bother mentioning LTE... It's more efficient, but hardware is astronomically expensive compared to WiFi or OpenBTS, and incredibly power-hungry, too.

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    1. Re:OpenBTS or WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get LTE with the same setup as you run OpenBTS on. Look into OpenAirInterface. Cheapest radio that can run it is LimeSDR for ~300$. You need a duplexer though to get any range (or use TDD LTE, but this is technically more complex). Just buy a surplus duplexer on ebay.

    2. Re:OpenBTS or WiFi? by grcumb · · Score: 1

      It's OpenBTS, not Facebook's new project, that developed incredibly cheap 2.5G GSM service on cheap, software defined radio hardware.

      Exactly. This idea has been around for yonks. Probably the most visible in international development circles was the Grameen Foundation's Village Phone project. This included small-scale GSM transmitter/receivers along with phones that would be shared on a commercial pay-as-you-go basis.

      I met a few people working on a variation of this in Timor Leste, and tried to get some formal backing and traction for this in some Pacific island countries. The bottom line is that it's a no-go scenario, because you have inordinately high regulatory barriers, and the opposition of local telcos, who don't want anyone else hanging off their infrastructure, no matter how good it is for the bottom line.

      That made some sense at the time, but today, why wouldn't you build your wireless network on WiFi instead?

      Because at the end of the day, you still need to interact with local telcos. You can shim it any way you want, but if a person can't call or text their cousin in the capital, they're not going to pay to use the service.

      But that's not reason to give up hope. You should give up hope because the telcos will never let it happen anyway, and even if they do, they'll find some new way to screw you out of accessing an affordable and open internet. :-)

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  15. Re:Why remote? Why rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not necessarily. I'm rural and have "broadband." The only option is AT&T DSL. We have regular connection loss when it rains. They know they don't have to send anyone out to fix it because they are the only players in the area and it is clearly their equipment. I fully expect that when they finally have an equipment failure they are just going to say why don't you all move to our cellular data network.

  16. Re:They need to concentrate of fixing their websit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > usually takes me half a dozen tries just to get the Facebook page to load

    Same here. Facebook could gain many more users by improving the page load time per dollar spent than they can by adding expensive infrastructure.

  17. How about people who live 20 minutes from a city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But where Verizon has decided to screw them and not offer broadband speeds, despite subsidies and bragging about how the area is 100% broadband?