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Patriot Act Expansion Fails In The House (thehill.com)

An anonymous reader write: The "Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength Act" failed in the U.S. Congress on a vote held earlier this week. "Many libertarians warned of potential privacy violations if the measure went into effect," reported The Hill, "which helped prevent it from reaching the necessary two-thirds majority to pass through the fast-track process under which it was considered." The bill would've expanded the number of crimes which would trigger the expanded investigation powers, including crimes covered by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. "The Patriot Act should not be casually expanded," warned the House Liberty in a statement, arguing the bill would "permit the government to demand information on any American from any financial institution merely upon reasonable suspicion."
In a related story, a new campaign ad is criticizing Senator Russ Feingold for being the only Senator to vote against the original Patriot Act in October of 2001. Shipped to TV stations Thursday night, its narration begins "Islamic terrorists slaughtering innocents. And when Congress gave law enforcement the tools to keep Americans safe from international terror, only one senator voted no: Russ Feingold." After Friday's attack in Nice, Feingold's opponent attempted to reschedule the ads until a later date, but was unable to stop them from airing on at least three stations.

93 comments

  1. every now and then by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 0

    the good guys win

    1. Re:every now and then by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      the good guys win

      Not necessarily. While the "Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength Act" has failed, the "War is Peace Act" and the "Freedom is Slavery Act" are still on the books.

  2. piss poor legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Patriot Act (the laughing joke) was a piece of piss poor legislation. Its author(s) and all those voted for it as well as the douche that signed it into law should be rounded up and prosecuted for high treason.

    1. Re:piss poor legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think calling it A ISIS Act didn't help.

    2. Re: piss poor legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RMS calls it the "PAT-RIOT act." Booger and toe cheese eating aside, the legislation is completely wild disorder.

    3. Re:piss poor legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off you misspelled "and their families executed for high treason"

      Second, 'piss poor' implies incompetence or neglect in the design. It can allow one to believe or claim that the abuses it enabled were but accidental errors, rather than the primary features demanded in the design doc, working exactly as intended.

      At any organizational level higher than "floor cashier" or "overworked station attendant", you must *NEVER* attribute to incompetence that which can easily be explained by premeditated malevolence.

    4. Re:piss poor legislation by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I'd rather not return to blaming sons for the sins of the father (or vice versa).

  3. Fingold by phantomfive · · Score: 2
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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Fingold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly a Republican, since they didn't mention his party, and they never mention Republican's party when commenting on their scandals, it's a media rule.

    2. Re:Fingold by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Clearly a Republican, since they didn't mention his party, and they never mention Republican's party when commenting on their scandals, it's a media rule.

      Feingold is a democrat.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re: Fingold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feingold, a Jew - you don't say?! This is more shocking than when I discovered Bill O'Reilly is an Irishman.

  4. 84 of the 100 Senators are guilty of TREASON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is Barack and anybody employed by any of the spy agencies.

  5. a bit of good news by e432776 · · Score: 1

    Encouraging that this outcome is possible today, even after the spate of attacks at home and world-wide.

  6. Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From TFA, 147 Republicans and 82 Democrats voted in favor of the expansion, and 86 Republicans and 91 Democrats voted against the expansion. So 63% of voting Republicans support expanding the Patriot Act versus 47% of voting Democrats. Please keep that in mind if you're the sort of person who believes that the Republican party supports small government and civil rights.

    Note also that this only failed because it was on a fast track that requires 2/3rds majority; it almost certainly will pass eventually (with a 50%+1 majority), thanks to Republicans.

    1. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      You only made the republican look better. This is like the civil rights legislation in 1964. It needed lots of republican support because so many democrats were against it. This is part of their rotating villain gag they like to pull.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like the civil rights legislation in 1964.

      This is nothing like the civil rights act of 1964, nothing at all.

      It needed lots of republican support because so many democrats were against it.

      The "Democrats" you are referring to were what was colloquially known as "Dixiecrats" who were conservative by every measure. They were assholes who simply could not join "The party of Lincoln" but were today's conservatives nonetheless.

      It's a shame when people make assertions without taking the time to understand the situation, as you have done here.

    3. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      The "Democrats" you are referring to were what was colloquially known as "Dixiecrats" who were conservative by every measure.

      So what? They were still democrats. That should tell you something, the democrats are still full of conservatives. And quite a few of them voted for the patriot act and all its extensions, and for war, mass incarceration, and everything else. The democrats have no monopoly on civil rights. They are in bed with the devil on most issues, this one being more notable at the moment.

      And your silliness still makes the republicans look even better. You should quit while you're behind. The shame of misunderstanding the situation is yours, whatever you are.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now the AC that is trolling me is the guy modding down my posts. Is this the game I'm supposed to play also? I know nothing can be done about it, but people should be aware that abuses, while minor, do happen...

    5. Re:Party breakdown by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      You only made the republican look better.

      By stating verifiable facts?

    6. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dixiecrats ultimately switched to the Republican party. That's why the south is now full of red states.

    7. Re:Party breakdown by wchin · · Score: 1

      Wow... you missed a chunk of American political history.

      There are a number of explanations on how and why the party of Lincoln became what it is today, and how the parties basically exchanged platforms. Certainly, the switch started happening before the Civil Rights Act in 1964, but there was a widespread swing after that act where southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party.

      The references to this are all over the place: http://bfy.tw/6mFZ

    8. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Not all of them. The conservative democrats are now called "blue dog", "third way", and the old name "Bourbon democrats". And they are still at least half the party. The civil rights and "liberalism" was only during the brief time Kennedy was president and Bobby and MLK were still alive. And it came crashing down with Humphrey's nomination. Their history, going back 150 years right up to today, is something most democrats refuse to acknowledge. The cops' billy club have their name written all over it. Deep down it is still the party of George Wallace, now with more tokenism. Bill Clinton confirmed that with his mandatory sentencing laws, DOMA, and welfare "reform".

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    9. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, by omitting verifiable history, which includes the present. You are playing the ideology angle, they are not. This is business

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    10. Re:Party breakdown by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      No, by omitting verifiable history, which includes the present. You are playing the ideology angle

      WTH? It is what it is. Please present the verifiable historical info in a complete manner then, or are YOU just idealistically generalizing?

    11. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      you missed a chunk of American political history.

      Yeah, I guess watching it happen doesn't mean much these days. I am fully aware what happened to the GOP. What you seem to ignore is that democrat "liberalism" lasted all of about 8 years until Humphrey was nominated against a 19 to 1 popular vote for the other guy (Eugene McCarthy). I guess everybody's eyes were on the events outside the convention hall, without even understanding why it got so exciting. They made it all about the cops, instead of the crooked delegates inside.

      Disclaimer: I can grant my view might be colored by the tenure the infamous Richard J. Daley, who epitomized the party's very essence in the north, as George Wallace did in the south. It really is and has always been a party of gangsters.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    12. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      1964, look up the voting records your damn self!

      And then forward to 1968... inside the convention

      And right there in the original post... 47% of democrats voted for the patriot act expansion. It speaks volumes, but falls on deaf ears..

      Damn! What, are you trying to make Trump look good now? No wonder he's so popular and the voters stay home.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    13. Re:Party breakdown by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Please keep that in mind if you're the sort of person who believes that the Republican party supports small government and civil rights.

      They support small government in the boardroom, not in the bedroom. They support civil rights for those who deserve them, i.e. not blacks, women, queers, drug users and blacks.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    14. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Not all of them. The conservative democrats are now called "blue dog"

      Ah. You are a political one-dropper.
      There are 14 blue dog democrats in the house. That's out of 187 total democrats. So clearly the democrats are a party that stands against civil rights.

    15. Re:Party breakdown by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      1964, look up the voting records your damn self!

      >

      No thanks. I didn't bring that into the discussion, you did. I'm not trying to make anyone look good or bad. I simply responded that a factual statement was made after someone didn't like it. Evidently you didn't either.

    16. Re:Party breakdown by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Most of the Blue Dog democrats are gone. The passage of Obamacare pretty much doomed most of them. We had a really good guy in middle Georgia named Jim Marshall but he ended up voting for obamacare and he was doomed. That seat was historically Democrat but now a Republican sits there. They're virtually extinct.

    17. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their history, going back 150 years right up to today, is something most democrats refuse to acknowledge. The cops' billy club have their name written all over it. Deep down it is still the party of George Wallace, now with more tokenism. Bill Clinton confirmed that with his mandatory sentencing laws, DOMA, and welfare "reform".

      LOL, your examples are all things that Republicans massively supported, endorsed, and demanded? And you think that Democrats have a problem with acknowledging history? I can blame Bill Clinton for going along with them(he, like Obama, is not nearly as ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER LIBERAL as the fear-mongers on the right portray him to be), but don't pretend it wasn't a Conservative and Republican agenda.

      Besides, rejecting the attempts by deceitful Republicans who don't even know who assassinated President Garfield to intrinsically associate all Democrats today with ones that have been dead for a century or more, is not the problem you really want it to be. You desperately need it to be, actually.

      Turns out a lot of people are not being fooled by your crap. And to be honest, Republicans spent most of that time ignoring Civil Rights issues too, or pushing for things like the Quota Act. Good luck getting you to acknowledge that. You probably can't even admit to the corruption of the Grant Administration or the Election of 1876. Teapot Dome. Richard Nixon. Iran-Contra.

    18. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Yes as comparison what what happened on this vote. Be grateful enough republicans voted it down, because the democrats failed again, just like in '64. Republicans saved your ass at least twice now.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    19. Re:Party breakdown by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Neither party supports small government or individual liberty.

    20. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, there are at least 82 as per the OP. And the truth is at least half are blue dogs. It's a pretty close match to their constituency. Where you get 14 from? I mean, I know where, but can't say because a moderator might take offense. And if you're posting AC so you can moderate the discussion, well, that's not very nice

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    21. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you seem to ignore is that democrat "liberalism" lasted all of about 8 years until Humphrey was nominated against a 19 to 1 popular vote for the other guy (Eugene McCarthy). I guess everybody's eyes were on the events outside the convention hall, without even understanding why it got so exciting. They made it all about the cops, instead of the crooked delegates inside.

      Nothing crooked about it, they were outright honest that it wasn't determined entirely by voter turnout in the primaries, only 12 states (and DC) even held them. This was also true for the Republicans in that year. You're the one with an honesty problem here.

      I mean, it'd be one thing if you were lamenting the presidential nomination process in general, with its decade long history of non-popular participation, but you're not. You're somehow using it to attack the Democratic Party itself, which is odd, since not only was the nominee Hubert Humphrey, he was no slouch himself on the Civil Rights issues. And in point of fact, it'd have been Robert Kennedy to most likely win the nomination that year, if not for his unfortunate assassination.

      Nixon barely held off Reagan, I doubt he'd have managed against Kennedy. Humphrey was weak though, not that it worked out well for the country in the end.

      Disclaimer: I can grant my view might be colored by the tenure the infamous Richard J. Daley, who epitomized the party's very essence in the north, as George Wallace did in the south. It really is and has always been a party of gangsters.

      Don't worry man, William Hale Thompson was a Republican, and a Chicagoan, and just as corrupt as any man you might name. In fact, he had the support of noted gangster, Al Capone.

      But do keep telling yourself that the Democrats are the ones who go bump in the night. Tell us how you hate them, you hate them all.

    22. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats today share the same passions of yesterday. You are simply irrationally attached.

    23. Re:Party breakdown by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that link.

      McCarthy - 2,914,933

      Humphrey - 166,463

      I like how real numbers speak so much better than I can. It's a good thing, because I'm tired of trying to argue with the obtuse. Not that the numbers will make any more difference than they did at the convention itself. Die hard democrats are die hard democrats.

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    24. Re:Party breakdown by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Then I'm not sure what your problem is with my post.

    25. Re:Party breakdown by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      Better yet, pay attention to which way _your_ representative voted.

      If they voted for this, then vote against them - and let them know that. Vote against them in the primaries for someone else, at the very least.

    26. Re:Party breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for that link.

      McCarthy - 2,914,933

      Humphrey - 166,463

      I like how real numbers speak so much better than I can.

      You're making quite a big deal over 3 million voters, which back in 1968, would mean you ignored well over 75% of the electorate (which wasn't even including 18 year olds yet, as the 26th amendment wasn't passed, and neither of the two states with voting ages that low held primaries.) not being involved at all.

      I don't think you actually read the whole thing, because you are leaving out salient facts to focus on ultimately irrelevant numbers since Humphrey due to the circumstances with Johnson's withdrawal wasn't even on the ballot in many of the primary states. Perhaps all, the votes he got might have been entirely write-ins. How would he have done if he had been properly included? Who knows? But the voters were never in charge of the process that year anyway. For either party. Not that year.

      Presentation matters, and the numbers and information that you're leaving out, even though I pointed it out to you, was that only 12 states (and DC) held primaries, leaving a majority of states outside the primary system in the first place as well as the vast majority of voters. Comprehension requires a bit more depth than you seem to want to pursue.

      Because the Presidential nomination in 1968? Wasn't guided significantly by the popular vote. But hey, if you want to complain about that, bitch at both parties, as they did the same thing. In fact, Reagan had more voters than Nixon in the Republican primaries. Of course, Nixon wasn't even on the California ballot. Maybe you want to gripe about the process of Presidential nominations for some reason? Well, if you do, it's a decades long complaint, which is fine, but mostly a waste of your time to do. The system has changed since 1968, let alone 1928. Or 1912.

      It's a good thing, because I'm tired of trying to argue with the obtuse. Not that the numbers will make any more difference than they did at the convention itself. Die hard democrats are die hard democrats.

      Are you sure you want to make yourself look this bad? You're trying too hard to get yourself worked up over Democrats, you just sound more and more bitter.

      If you wanted to reform America's electoral system, I could respect that as a laudable goal, but you've got to get yourself past your own hate. It's directed in an ineffective area, and not towards any achievable goal. All you're doing is masking yourself look like yet another partisan shill, picking some random incident to scream about for no really legitimate purpose.

    27. Re:Party breakdown by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      You're such a bullshit apologist for Democrats.

      The imaginary stark differences between the two parties is something only the most deluded can convince themselves of.

    28. Re:Party breakdown by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      It needed lots of republican support because so many democrats were against it.

      The "Democrats" you are referring to were what was colloquially known as "Dixiecrats" who were conservative by every measure. They were assholes who simply could not join "The party of Lincoln" but were today's conservatives nonetheless.

      It's a shame when people make assertions without taking the time to understand the situation, as you have done here.

      Nice use of the "No true Scotsman" argument. Funny how Republicans get called out when disavowing the Tea Party...

  7. Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength Act by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Its title reminds me... what else is strength? You do the math.

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  8. Make America Great Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump will reinstate it, no worries.

    1. Re:Make America Great Again by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Trump will reinstate it, no worries.

      You're thinking of Chuck Norris.

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  9. Won the battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now to win the war - We need to repeal the Patriot act altogether.

  10. Just like Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait.. Forgot some of us are above the law.

  11. Yeah... Tried to stop the ads... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    "Feingold's opponent attempted to reschedule the ads until a later date, but was unable to stop them from airing on at least three stations"

    Like I try to reach for the elevator's "open" button when somebody's running. Half-heartedly.

    1. Re:Yeah... Tried to stop the ads... by gtall · · Score: 2

      Well, seeing as it is Ron Johnson, it is probably due to ineptitude. He's right up there with Jeff Sessions from Alabama as being the lowest wattage senator in Congress.

      Ron Johnson decided he knew something about stock markets because he has an on-line brokerage account and buys and sells stock. So he invites some whizzes from Wall Street to interrogate about Administration policy. One whiz fellow explained that brokerages were stealing a pence here and pence there by delaying buy and sell orders and coming out millions ahead. Ron, who's light was particularly dim that day, explained that he used to pay lots to buy and sell stocks but now he could do it for $19.95, so what's the problem?

      As Ron White said, stupid is forever.

  12. Can;t reinstate... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    ...what was never in place.

  13. Don't forget Hitlerly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proved liar, incompetent, traitorous murderer, yet she likely will become president. Wake the fuck up America!

  14. Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are we mincing words? If his opponent is Ron Johnson, then just say that.

    As for Feingold voting against the PATRIOT act? I think he should get a medal. For standing up against a law that violates our Constitutional Rights? Damn straight. All those NRA members a who get all righteous about the Constitution when it's about guns, they come out of the woodworks! But when it's about all our other Constitutional Rights? They're fscking Missing in fscking Action. Damn hypocrites.

    1. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You feel the same way about the ACLUs ignoring the 2nd amendment?

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You feel the same way about the ACLUs ignoring the 2nd amendment?

      I suppose I would feel that way about the ACLU ignoring our second amendment rights if I interpreted the second amendment in the narrow way that you obviously do.

      Let me be clear on what I just said. I support every responsible Americans' right to own firearms but that in no way includes many forms of weaponry that our founders couldn't being to envision. The fact is, we both are for gun control, it is only a matter of how far these measures should be taken. I can assume that you are against providing military grade armaments to ISIS sympathizers who live in this country or any other lunatic who thinks he can go shoot law enforcement or any other person - because he/she thanks that they should.

      Or, maybe you don't...

    3. Re: Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he or she is in the 'militia'.

    4. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      There are vastly more resources going into protecting the 2nd amendment via the NRA than there are going into the ACLU, and there are other amendments (not the least of which is the 4th) which are in more dire trouble right now. Why does the ACLU need to focus on the 2nd?

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    5. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're fscking Missing in fscking Action. Damn hypocrites.

      I'm not letting them check my filesystems.

    6. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they'd just not shit on it, many of us would be happy. They already are focused on the 2nd, just not in a consistent way with regard to the other amendments.

    7. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      They don't. But they also don't need to totally ignore it.

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    8. Re: Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The fact the ACLU is with you two pinheads is exactly my point.

      Does the first also only cover printing presses available in 1776?

      Do the clear words (e.g. 'the right of the people to') not mean anything concrete in the other amendments as well?

      Fuck your apologetics.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    9. Re:Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's ok to say 'fucking'.

    10. Re: Would his opponent be Ron Johnson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact the ACLU is with you two pinheads is exactly my point.

      Whatever man, the ACLU has become the punching bag of the right, and not because of any action or inaction on the 2nd Amendment.

      They're bitter about a lot of things, including removing a big private monument in the Alabama Supreme Court to the Ten Commandments, not because of guns.

      Does the first also only cover printing presses available in 1776?

      Nope, the text of the First Amendment is clearly about a multitude of subjects, some of which printing presses are not directly relevant:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      I count six factors to it, at least three of which need not involve any text at all. Maybe four.

      Do the clear words (e.g. 'the right of the people to') not mean anything concrete in the other amendments as well?

      Often, no, they don't. Why do you think the Supreme Court spent decades fucking off with segregation and Jim Crow laws? And some interpretations have been more flawed than others. Consider Taney's nonsense in Dredd Scott. But the 2nd amendment is especially egregious. It should be rewritten to a much better presentation. It is a poor articulation of desired sentiments.

      But seriously, anybody who relies on the Constitution for anything is dumb. There's only one place your liberty is safeguarded. And it ain't in the barrel of a gun, too many people can misuse them.

      I'd still lack a chance to revise them though.

      Fuck your apologetics.

      Fuck your 2nd Amendment obsession. It's what has lead to hunting and fishing amendments in some states. Shits wasting our time over that, while also voting to ban recognition of civil unions and never fixing their real issues.

      It'd be one thing if you wanted to buckle down and fix the whole Constitution, but no, no, you'll just use it to cover your ass.

         

  15. There's always a "But" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the catch this time? What actually stopped it, and how much worse is it going to be once they've fixed whatever loophole they'd forgotten to plug up or create?

    1. Re: There's always a "But" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such as the complete joke that the FREEDOM act is, which has nothing to do with actual freedom? Even the trouble someone had to go through to come up with that idiotic ironic false acronym pisses me off.

      Same goes for the PAT-RIOT act. Most people didn't even know what it stands for, and many still don't. Here most "murricans" thought it had something to do with noble intentions, like a real "patriot." Turns out it was all lies and secrets, and basically did/meant the complete opposite. Just ask someone what the 2 T's stand for, and see if they can guess without looking it up. They probably can't.

      Tools & Terrorists beeyotch! Gimmeh all your moneys, fuck everything else, as long as we are made to "feel safe", meanwhile this shit is getting so top heavy it's a wonder the whole system hasn't imploded on itself (actual revolution), while the rest of everything else crumbles and decays, like actual important things like infrastructure. When will these brain dead people wake the fuck up from their stupor, and get off the Fox news koolaid propaganda, and stop listening to these complete psychopaths like Trump?

      Maybe we need to call this something like the Private Dick Pics act. (Ref: John Oliver). At least it may get some of these idiots attention. Apparently this is the only thing people care about.

      I honestly don't even know where I'm going with this rant. These things are just so outrageous, yet seriously, where is the outrage about this specifically? 1 single person has dissent (their right, mind you) with the government, and you're labled as a lone-wolf terrorist and placed in the same exact category as the 'silence! I keel you -- kaboom' actual real terrorists group, effectively placing every single person under surveillance. The 1% wealthy and the government they control are probably scared shitless, because they have the most to lose if their precious money and fake security is disrupted or threatened. If you even assemble together to try and "organize" --look out, then you must not just be a terrorists, but a terrifying terrorists!

      Maybe if the USA government would get their head out of it's ass and stop manufacturering these fucking bullshit problems and focus on real issues, then maybe, just maybe there'd be less terrorists, Both domestic and foreign.

      I'm tired and don't feel like typing anymore, and nobody is likely listening anyway. If it gets down voted, then I suppose nobody cares, unless of course dic pics.

  16. What's in a name by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength Act"

    Seriously, who names these stupid things? How about we call it one of these:

    "Government Spying on its Own Citizens is Unconstitutional Act"?

    "Acting Like Citizens Are All Terrorists Is Wrong Act"?

    "Giving Up Your Rights Is Weakness Act"?

    "Calling People Who Give Up Liberty Claiming To Be Patriots Is an Unpatriotic Act Act"?

    1. Re:What's in a name by qubezz · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the ISIS in the middle isn't coincidence, it's meant to be some stupid marketing to pressure legislators into voting, else they get attack ads "Senator Hottentot voted against the Anti-ISIS act, does he want terrorists in your playgrounds?" Same shit show as the PATRIOT act story.

    2. Re:What's in a name by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'd be nice if they spent half as much thought on the actual legislation as they did inventing a childish contrived acronym for it.

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    3. Re:What's in a name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have it backwards...terrorists SHOULD be kept in playgrounds, and nowhere near adults.

      Think of the children Act.

    4. Re:What's in a name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. As a turd by any other name would still stink.

      Legislation is an area that doesn't apply. It's TLDR. Give it a nice name, and a turd can smell sweet.

      If you named it for what it really was, it would get struck down as it should.

      The Defecating on Americans Act.
      The Death To Civil Liberty Act
      The Wipe Your Ass with the Constitution Act

    5. Re:What's in a name by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. It's just like the "People's" Republic of China. It's like they have to name it the opposite of what it is. They should call it the "We don't trust US citizens Act."

    6. Re:What's in a name by PPH · · Score: 2

      Some low level legislative staffer probably just Daeshed off a name without thinking about hidden meanings.

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  17. Doesn't fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength" will never fit on the side of a pyramid. Maybe something shorter, like "Ignorance"?

  18. Oh please by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    The "Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength Act" is the most mis-named bill in the history of anything anywhere.

    It should be named the "Paw Through Your Data And Spy On You At Will Without Any Pesky Warrants Act".

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  19. Nothing like 1964 by sjbe · · Score: 1

    This is like the civil rights legislation in 1964. It needed lots of republican support because so many democrats were against it.

    You should study your history more. This bears zero resemblence to 1964. "Democrats" who voted against that bill switched parties shortly thereafter and those people are now solidly republicans. In fact it was that exact bill that resulted in the south voting solidly republican ever since then. This bill will have no such fallout even though in some ways perhaps it should.

    I find it ironic that the party that freed the slaves is now the party whose core is now scared racist white people.

    1. Re: Nothing like 1964 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The leading cause of "racism" is contact with niggers. Until they wise up, father their own kids, and stop this moronic thug-gangsta shit, that will remain the case.

      Did you really think it's all just an aversion to melanin? Hardly. Black males are about 6.5% and commit just over 50% of all US murders. There is good reason to avoid them.

      If they change then my view of them will change too. It's just that simple.

    2. Re:Nothing like 1964 by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You should study your history more. This bears zero resemblence to 1964.

      Well, that's the problem. What you know about 1964 came from your "history" books. Now, if you expect me to revise what happened to your tastes, I can only tell you, no thanks.

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    3. Re: Nothing like 1964 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that the patriot act made citing historical references a terrorist act. Please take yourself to the nearest death camp/gas chamber for social re-alignment.

  20. Re:Anti-terrorism Information Sharing Is Strength by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The A-ISIS Act? Seriously? Did they think that through at all? The jokes just write themselves.

  21. Terrorists attack democracy - democracy cancelled by khz6955 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    July 14 2016: "France will not extend the state of emergency imposed after last year's Islamist militant attacks in Paris in November beyond 26 July"

    July 15 2016: "Terror attack kills scores in Nice, France"

    July 16 2016: "France extends state of emergency"

    'The declaration of a state of emergency empowers the prefect whose department is wholly or partly included in a constituency in Article 2:'

    1. To prohibit the movement of people and vehicles in places and times fixed by decree;
    2. To establish, by decree, areas of protection or security where the presence of individuals is regulated
    3. To prohibit the stay in any part of the department to any person seeking to hinder in any way the action of the authorities

    .. The Minister of the Interior may impose the house arrest, the place it determines, any person residing in the area set by the decree mentioned in Article 2 .. in any case, the arrest will have the effect of creating camps would be held the persons mentioned in the first paragraph

    I. - The decree declaring or law extending the state of emergency may, by an express provision conferring on the administrative authorities mentioned in Article 8 the authority to order searches anywhere, including a home of day and night ..

    II. - Minister of the Interior may take all measures to ensure the interruption of any online public communication service leading to the commission of acts of terrorism or glorifying.

    .. The Minister of the Interior, for the entire territory is established the state of emergency, and the prefect, in the department may order the temporary closure of theaters, pubs and places of any meeting Nature in areas determined by the decree provided for in Article 2. ref google granslate

  22. So law enforcement is incompetent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    And when Congress gave law enforcement the tools to keep Americans safe from international terror, only one senator voted no: Russ Feingold.

    So what did law enforcement do with the tools to keep Americans safe from international terror they were given in 2001? The confirmed number of thwarted terrorist-related activities due to intelligence gathering is 1, a guy sending a few thousand dollars to an Islamistic organization akin to al-Qaeda.

    One confirmed arrest for the complete abandonment of communication privacy world-wide over a decade, at a cost of several dozens of billions of dollars. All the other "terrorist plots" could not be confirmed or were initiated by the FBI in the first place, entrapping some fools not otherwise able to perform or justify such activities.

  23. Don't fret, this was just symbolic by cdogg4ya · · Score: 1

    Voting it down let's everyone think that hey, Congress is looking out for us. They will get it attached to an Omnibus bill at some point later this year or next and get it passed with nobody looking because you can't stop funding the government....Just look at CISA back in December.

  24. A chance for a sudden outbreak of common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russ Feingold for PRESIDENT!!!!

  25. Sounds like a good person to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that this person needs praise, as he stood up for the American way of life instead of the Stalinist way we have now; secret prisons, routine torturing of suspects, people held indefinitely without ever being charged with a crime, police randomly killing/beating people in the streets, unregulated government surveillance, unregulated secret police force (FBI), etc.

  26. politicians = bunco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once they saw how clinton gave away 30 trillion dollars to the mafia, conning the stupidity of americans became a way of life.

  27. Pleasantly suprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised, given our governments rampant expansion of its powers I feared it was all but inevitable. Sadly I doubt this is over, it only failed to pass the fast track process. It could have passed a standard procedure as it had a 53% yes vote. Hopefully though the next vote will occur at a time where cooler heads are more plentiful (not immediately after back to back killings). Our response to terrorism (massive spending campaigns, ham fisted military actions, wholesale abandonment of our most cherished rights) has been wholesale stupid. Terrorist attacks don't even show up as a rounding error in mortality statistics, a few simple safety measures would effectively minimize the impact of these acts but instead we spend insane amounts of money hardening the last set of targets and implementing measures that have little to no effect on terrorists while impinging on millions of innocents. As has been said many times before "The terrorists said "Boo!", and our response was to shoot ourselves in the head".

  28. He is also a proven total fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His most-famous claim-to-fame was as a "reformer" with his bi-partisan McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act, which he and all the supposedly reasonable moderates in both parties ran around touting as a wonderful reform that would clean-up campaigns and get all the big money out of them.

    Then, in 2008, when his partner in that legislation (John McCain) was running for President, something very interesting happened: McCain and his opponent Obama both agreed to abide by the campaign spending limits, but then Obama vaccumed-up a ton of Wallstree Banker cash and bailed out of the limits, blowing through all previous records for both campaign spending and Wall St banker cash in elections. Instead of siding with McCain, who abided with the voluntary limits, Feingold stuck with his party and provided a bunch of excuses for why Obama had broken his wrord and ignored all the limits.

    The excuse that he HAD to go with Obama for other "principled" reasons, even as Obama evaded the campaign spending limits is a joke: ANY politician in ANY party could use that same excuse to dodge EVERY "reform". It's situational ethics on full-display.

    The man is a partisan hack and a phoney. He could have stood on his supposed principles for the good of the country, if they really WERE "principles". His one vote in the election would not have changed the outcome, and it's doubtful even his denunciation of Obama's crossing of the lines would have mattered given the cultural inertia of the push for "the first black president". Feingold's actions tell you everything you need to know about his character and any supposed principle he pretends to stand upon.

    No sane politician will ever again obey any such "bi-partisan" limits.

  29. A vote today is a surrender of one liberties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You surrender your liberties when you vote no matter whether you vote democratic or republican. The only rational possible solution logically to the problem is a migration movement of those who support freedom over everything else [ie are against the FUD]. If you are liberty-minded like me and don't support censorship, spying on citizens, boarders, social security, license plates, vehicular legislation, banning guns, are against the use of violence to achieve political aims (ie like locking peaceful consumers of potentially self-dangerous substances up), pro-gay marriage (or really against the state being involved in marriage to begin with), etc then move to New Hampshire. Join the Free State Project (the inc part isn't great, but the people moving here tend to be more liberty-friendly than the organization, see www.freekeene.com for instance).

    https://www.freestateproject.org

  30. Fuck ISIS --- I want ponies! by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Remember kiddies: Information Sharing is Strength!

    But don't get confused --- only some kinds of information... you know, the ones which don't pay our campaign budgets...

    Really, this just cries for someone to make a parody mashup using MLP.

  31. Half the story by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Note also that this only failed because it was on a fast track that requires 2/3rds majority; it almost certainly will pass eventually (with a 50%+1 majority), thanks to Republicans.

    As usual, the biased idiots only tell half the story... What the AC conveniently forgot to mention, is that after being passed by a Republican Congress it will eventually become law once a Democratic President signs it into law.