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Myths Persist About Running Public Wi-Fi in the UK (arstechnica.co.uk)

If you're running a Wi-Fi hotspot in the U.K., Ars Technica found most of the available legal advice online was either "ill-informed" or "invented", and "the same wrong advice repeated by multiple sources -- including vendors offering to help clients ensure compliance with the 'rules.'" An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: If you run a public Wi-Fi service, can you be held responsible if someone uses it to infringe copyright, defame someone or commit a crime? Ars Technica examines the situation under English law on intermediary liability, as well as looking at data protection law and obligations (or not) to store traffic data for law enforcement.

According to Ars, much publicised "guidance" for would-be Wi-Fi operators indicates that an operator would be liable, but the legal experts who spoke to Ars are far less convinced.

20 comments

  1. Wow - the original article is poorly written. by queazocotal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It quotes many other articles and then says 'but these are wrong'. (admittedly with sources) but doesn't contain a list of actual requirements.

    Another very relevant factor is not what the law says, but what the police think the law says.
    It's not a huge amount of comfort that you're right, when you're getting the door kicked in.

    1. Re:Wow - the original article is poorly written. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, that is an ars trademark.. shitty writing by most of their contributing authors.

    2. Re:Wow - the original article is poorly written. by jrumney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are no actual requirements. Just a bunch of companies claiming that there are, and by the way, they can sell you a package that takes care of all their claimed requirements for a nice premium over the price of the router and bandwidth you need to provide the actual service, and collect your users' data for their own marketing purposes (ie, for sale to spammers) to boot.

  2. hmmmm by Pax681 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're running a Wi-Fi hotspot in the U.K

    Then it says..

    Ars Technica examines the situation under English law on intermediary liability

    ok so that covers England and Wales.. what about Scotland and N. Ireland who both have seperate and distinct legal systems??? English law != Law that affects other constituent countries of the UK

    1. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cause they are already counting on Scotland and N. Ireland leaving U.K.

    2. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NI is fairly similar because England has a habit of suspending democracy there to make sure they don't get too uppity, but yeah, anyone who introduces a legal essay with "UK" and then talks about "English law" can be guaranteed not to have sufficient understanding to be taken seriously. It'd be like computer advice given by someone who talks about the Internet and then discusses only Facebook and Google.

    3. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intermediary liability law in the UK (and generally) is as I understand it a total mess anyway so I doubt the differences between English Law and Scots Law are the really big issues here (if indeed there are any substantial differences).

    4. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apply your argument to the "and generally":

      > Intermediary liability law across the planet is as I understand it a total mess anyway, so I doubt the differences across the planet are the really big issues here.

      The whole point in a decent legal write-up is that it highlights what actually matters according to local law, not just the "really big issues". For example, what can happen to the parties before they even reach a hearing can determine heavily what risks they're willing to take, and that's where local detail is relevant. The US and England have some very similar laws because of their common heritage, for example, but because of the way the system is (not) funded in the US, one innocent person in England may plead not guilty, while another in the US of little means is very likely to move to plea bargaining.

      (Fun fact: This became a problem in England in 2015 too, when high fixed court charges were assessed on those who decided to plead not guilty but were found guilty. Many people would therefore plead guilty because they knew that the charge if they failed to present their case adequately would exceed the punishment they'd receive for just "confessing" to something they didn't do. Even the Tories, who had introduced this charge in their typically infinite stupidity, ended up listening to magistrates, judges and the legal profession, and abolished these fees by the end of the year.)

  3. Just because most journalism is awful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...it doesn't mean that ars' slightly-better-research brand of journalism is acceptable.

    Half the experts quoted aren't actually experts in the "I'm a doctor with 20 years of experience in heart conditions so here's some advice about keeping a healthy heart" sense, but people with different range of special interests from the articles that have been dismissed. For example, Kennard is an admirable accidental campaigner for Internet privacy against the Theresas of this world (at least she's not prime mi... oh), but his brand of rule interpretation is not a legal one, but a particular geek's attempt to interpret rules in a favourable way.

    1. Re:Just because most journalism is awful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half the experts quoted aren't actually experts in the "I'm a doctor with 20 years of experience in heart conditions so here's some advice about keeping a healthy heart" sense, ...

      Good, because this is a legal, not medical, issue.

    2. Re:Just because most journalism is awful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both require better than armchairfags for authoritative declarations, dumbass.

      Unless you were trying to argue that legal issues have no such requirement. In which case I apologetically retract my insult, and will let someone else (perhaps a lawyer) tell you "Yes they do, dumbass."

  4. Wrong question. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a legal expert asks: "Can an operator, after legal process, be held liable for a crime committed via a hotspot they run?"

    What the operators ask: "Even if I cannot eventually be held liable, is there a risk that the police will come break down my door, arrest me, and steal away all our computers before they realise that I am not not responsible for the crime they are investigating? Or that I will face a civil suit which, even if I win, will still cost me tens of thousands of pounds in legal fees?"

    Law can be an expensive matter. Pyrrhic victory is a very real possibility.

    The safest approach is to contract with a specialist public hotspot provider like The Cloud to run the spot. They have the legal experts on hand to address anything that might come up, and they can provide the best possible shield for the premises owner - they are the ones who actually run the service, the IP address is registered to them, so they are the ones who get any legal troubles. They generally also authenticate users (typically by requiring a phone number to SMS a login code to), which lets them keep the police off their backs. It's more expensive than just hooking up a basic wifi router though, especially for a small business that just wants to run a single point and doesn't have the negotiating power that a chain or franchise could bring to the table.

    1. Re:Wrong question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has now occurred to me that we're so obsessed with having someone to take the fall, with covering our asses, that it's the only thing holding back our civilization's gains from ubiquitous wi-fi.

      We didn't have to go out of our way to rope everyone to a driver's license or other means of mass control. It just built up that way, we kept it that way, and we're going to keep it that way..

      "We" meaning our various betters (sometimes even enemies to each other) who are most interested in holding the status quo convenient to them, not convenient to society.

  5. For what it's worth: by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Encrypt all the packets (and metadata) traveling on your signal. Sounds like an opportunity for an astute programmer.

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  6. HOPE NOT by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I hope England is smart enough to not have such an idiotic law. A good policy is never to examine or moderate any traffic on your net or hot spot. If you do not know it is there you can not intend for it to be there.

  7. Well, is it or not? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you run a public Wi-Fi service, can you be held responsible if someone uses it to infringe copyright, defame someone or commit a crime?

    According to Ars, much publicised "guidance" for would-be Wi-Fi operators indicates that an operator would be liable, but the legal experts who spoke to Ars are far less convinced.

    Oh, well, that's cleared that up then.

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    1. Re:Well, is it or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Experts say "Uh."

      They needed three pages for that?

  8. Easily solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funnel everything from your public Wifi AP through a transparent Tor proxy. Except in the most extreme and unusual circumstances, this will be enough to prevent a midnight raid based on what one of your anonymous users looked at online.