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New FreeBSD 11.0 Release Candidate Tested By Phoronix (phoronix.com)
"The first release candidate for the upcoming FreeBSD 11.0 is ready for testing," reports Distrowatch, noting various changes. ("A NULL pointer dereference in IPSEC has been fixed; support for SSH protocol 1 has been removed; OpenSSH DSA keys have been disabled by default...") Now an anonymous Slashdot reader writes:
Sunday Phoronix performed some early benchmark testing, comparing FreeBSD 10.3 to FreeBSD 11.0 as well as DragonFlyBSD, Ubuntu, Intel Clear Linux and CentOS Linux 7. They reported mixed results -- some wins and some losses for FreeBSD -- using a clean install with the default package/settings on the x86_64/amd64 version for each operating system.
FreeBSD 11.0 showed the fastest compile times, and "With the SQLite benchmark, the BSDs came out ahead of Linux [and] trailed slightly behind DragonFlyBSD 4.6 with HAMMER. The 11.0-BETA4 performance does appear to regress slightly for SQLite compared to FreeBSD 10.3... With the BLAKE2 crypto test, all four Linux distributions were faster than DragonFlyBSD and FreeBSD... with the Apache web server benchmark, FreeBSD was able to outperform the Linux distributions..."
FreeBSD 11.0 showed the fastest compile times, and "With the SQLite benchmark, the BSDs came out ahead of Linux [and] trailed slightly behind DragonFlyBSD 4.6 with HAMMER. The 11.0-BETA4 performance does appear to regress slightly for SQLite compared to FreeBSD 10.3... With the BLAKE2 crypto test, all four Linux distributions were faster than DragonFlyBSD and FreeBSD... with the Apache web server benchmark, FreeBSD was able to outperform the Linux distributions..."
Its not even the BSD used by macs
Uhm ... The 'bad' OS X user land is from FreeBSD, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
so who uses it? Almost no-one.
Lets see: ... its the base for their OS ... its the base OS for their filers ... its the OS and networking stack for the Big IP load balancers ... as you got so wrong, it is the source for parts of the OS X Userland ... countless items of source used in various Linux improvements (Its goes both ways were possible, not hating on Linux or bragging about FBSD here) ... Guess what powers the Playstation ... thats right, FreeBSD, and its very obvious on any development kit for it.
Routers/Switches from Juniper Networks
NetApp
F5
Apple
Linux
Sony
Those are just the ones that I can think of in the span of a minute or so.
But hey, you go ahead and be an ignorant prick, at least you got the first post!
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I don't give a f*** about FreeBSD.
Some of us do give an f*** about the BSDs.
(Especially those of us who are considering moving mission-critical systems from Linux to a BSD because, for instance, systemd makes security auditing massively more difficult and expensive for a small startup.)
We are nerds, and this matters to us.
So if you personally are not interested, please just shut up and move on to something that DOES interest you, rather than polluting OUR discussions with "I'm not interested in this!" whining.
Thank you.
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Wow. This is how FBI Slashdot is now. It is like a Microsoft Google Facebook board meeting with James Comey every article.
They modded you -1? What you said is right.
FreeBSD rocks.
As to the story.. I get why they used CentOS because it is basically Redhat compatible without the corporate dickmoves. Redhat wishes it was Microsoft and does Microsoft dickmoves every possible chance.
What I don't get is why they compared with Ubuntu. It is a shitty ass Linux that began in the third world because people could afford it, and to date they want to be as Microsoft as possible.
They should have used Arch, Slack, opensuse or Gentoo even. Mint even. Not Ubuntu, it is a steaming turd of Debian offshoots.
I just read it for the comparisons. FreeBSD is awesome. Linux is great. Their Microsoft stories are just fibs.
Is Debugging turned on for FreeBSD betas?
... and no one gives a f**k about what you say.
Its not even the BSD used by macs
Uhm ... The 'bad' OS X user land is from FreeBSD, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
IIRC, a few years ago someone analyzed the rcsid strings in the OS X user land and found that at that point in time it was a mix of FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD.
so who uses it? Almost no-one.
Lets see: Routers/Switches from Juniper Networks ... its the base for their OS
NetApp ... its the base OS for their filers
F5 ... its the OS and networking stack for the Big IP load balancers
Apple ... as you got so wrong, it is the source for parts of the OS X Userland
Linux ... countless items of source used in various Linux improvements (Its goes both ways were possible, not hating on Linux or bragging about FBSD here)
Sony ... Guess what powers the Playstation ... thats right, FreeBSD, and its very obvious on any development kit for it.
Those are just the ones that I can think of in the span of a minute or so.
You forgot probably the single biggest: Google Android. The Android kernel is Linux, but the user land is BSD. Don't know whose. I'll leave that as an exercise.
Wow. This is how FBI Slashdot is now. It is like a Microsoft Google Facebook board meeting with James Comey every article.
They modded you -1? What you said is right.
FreeBSD rocks.
As to the story.. I get why they used CentOS because it is basically Redhat compatible without the corporate dickmoves. Redhat wishes it was Microsoft and does Microsoft dickmoves every possible chance.
Red Hat is two words. What exactly are/were the corporate "dickmoves?" Donald Trump has jumped the shark. You're next if you're not careful.
Afraid you're slightly out of date. F5 has been using a Linux base (Some conglomeration of Redhat) since the 9.x release (which end-of-supported in 2006).
Don't forget FreeNAS and TrueNAS!
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
Kinda already is on the desktop and consoles through OS X and Playstation.
Just like Linux already is mainstream like crazy through Android.
You missed Netflix. Around 30% of US Internet traffic originates from Netflix OpenConnect appliances, which use FreeBSD.
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None of the benchmarks showcase actual system performance under load, so it is unfair of the author to dismiss DragonflyBSD's novel approach to SMP. Furthermore, performance wasn't the only goal; the design is far more developer friendly and easier to reason about, producing a much higher confidence in correctness. What the DragonflyBSD developers have achieved with only a small fraction of the developer resources is nothing short of remarkable, and a testament to their design.
Benchmarks like PostgreSQL which actually stress the various kernel subsystems would likely paint a very different picture. Claiming to test SMP on a system without any contention is senseless.
It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Linux has become a fattie. I guess it makes sense; have you seen Linus lately? He's becoming rather "monolithic".
He missed another, Whatsapp uses FreeBSD. Jan Koum even donated USD 1 million to the FreeBSD Foundation to thank them for all their work. https://freebsdfoundation.blog...
Its not even the BSD used by macs
Uhm ... The 'bad' OS X user land is from FreeBSD, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
so who uses it? Almost no-one.
Lets see: Routers/Switches from Juniper Networks ... its the base for their OS
NetApp ... its the base OS for their filers
F5 ... its the OS and networking stack for the Big IP load balancers
Apple ... as you got so wrong, it is the source for parts of the OS X Userland
Linux ... countless items of source used in various Linux improvements (Its goes both ways were possible, not hating on Linux or bragging about FBSD here)
Sony ... Guess what powers the Playstation ... thats right, FreeBSD, and its very obvious on any development kit for it.
Those are just the ones that I can think of in the span of a minute or so.
But hey, you go ahead and be an ignorant prick, at least you got the first post!
Hey, even Microsoft now has a FreeBSD version - it's that popular!!!
There's also pFsense and m0n0wall as BSD based firewalls
Their desktop/laptop version is called PC-BSD. Speaking of which, I've been stuck w/ 10.2 - haven't been able to upgrade to 10.3, since their upgrade server seems down. Lost Lumina in the process. Hope to get that back some time soon
They are all probably missing the BIGGEST new feature in FreeBSD 11: the UEFI-GOP bhyve implementation. Basically a vm hypervisor with an embedded VNC server that makes FreeBSD a powerful VM host OS.
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It's bitztream, the autism-hating Slashdot moron!
Facebook hired developers to improve the Linux network stack, so it could compete with FreeBSD.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2359272/facebook-wants-linux-network-stack-to-rival-or-exceed-freebsd
You forgot Netflix, which counts for 40% of network traffic, uses FreeBSD to push content to subscribers, and not Linux.
The funny part about Android is that while the kernel may be Linux, the standard C library was taken from one of the BSDs.
1. why isn't this on bsd.slashdot.org?
2. why isn't the freakin banner red ?!!
Reason being the GPL 2 vs 3 issue. While Linux will remain GPL2, GCC went to GPL3. So Android could either have held back w/ an old version of GCC, or gone the LLVM/Clang route.
F5 ... its the OS and networking stack for the Big IP load balancers
This is incorrect. BIG-IP runs on top of a RH-derived OS. However EMC's Isilon product line does use FreeBSD for the base of OneFS. See also:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_FreeBSD
Android uses the OpenBSD libc.
I will give you one because you are just some sort of doubtful douche.
They wanted to pay Microsoft for a license to multi-boot. $99.
The rest you would have to be much older to understand. The last ok Redhat was 7.3.
Fuck you is two more words.
Talking about Trump is just another bitch.
Three words. Fuck you bitch.
You're next? No, you are gone.
Serious question... why don't more people use Plan 9?
It's supposed to be "next generation Unix" and it's completely free, but almost no one uses it.
What about Inferno ?
I thought PC-BSD was a different project which used FreeBSD code. Then again OS X is of course even more different.
The time I used FreeBSD it was (2.x-4.x, possibly 5.x at some time.)
Seeing at the dates more like 3.x-4.x. It was a short period.
Afraid you're slightly out of date. F5 has been using a Linux base (Some conglomeration of Redhat) since the 9.x release (which end-of-supported in 2006).
I don't know what a "conglomeration of Redhat" is. Most Linux distributions, including Red Hat's (two words) RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, etc., etc., use GNU's glibc, which is licensed under the LGPL.
ISTR Android went with BSD user land because GPL and LGPL scares a lot of developers away. If that has changed, I haven't heard about it. But then, I don't exactly keep track either. Developers being leery of GPL and LGPL hasn't changed though.
And it would be great if you could cite a source, I'm not having any luck finding anything definitive.
What's more, the Wikipedia (yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia) article[1] says that Bionic – the Android libc replacement – is BSD based and BSD licensed. Which is really what we're talking about when we say that the Android userspace is BSD based.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Android kernel is Linux, but the user land is BSD.
Thats why te userland sucks...
I thought PC-BSD was a different project which used FreeBSD code.
In Linux parlance, PC-BSD is akin to a spin of FreeBSD. A lot of the ports in the ports tree have options that you'd want enabled on a desktop system but not a server (e.g. CUPS or X support). And since FreeBSD is used on a lot of servers, the default ports configurations (and the configurations that the official, FreeBSD package repos use) have those options disabled. So, if you want to use vanilla FreeBSD as a desktop, you have to do a lot of manual configuration and building of the various ports. PC-BSD has its own package repo that's built from the ports tree just like the official FreeBSD repo, but the ports were built with the options that you'd want enabled for a desktop system. So, that's the biggest difference and why you'd definitely want to use PC-BSD for a desktop rather than vanilla FreeBSD (it saves you a lot of time and effort). Now, the PC-BSD folks have also written some additional applications to make it more desktop user-friendly (e.g. a control panel and a program for doing automatic updates), and those are installed by default on a PC-BSD system, whereas they're not installed on a vanilla FreeBSD system, and I'm not sure whether they're in the ports tree. So, it could be harder to get those on a vanilla FreeBSD system if you want them, but if they're not in the ports tree, they can definitely be gotten from the PC-BSD github repo if you really want them (though you probably wouldn't bother if you were going to go to the effort of getting vanilla FreeBSD to work nicely as a desktop).
In general though, if you're going to use FreeBSD for a desktop, you might as well just use PC-BSD, because if you use vanilla FreeBSD, you're just going to be duplicating the work that the PC-BSD guys do to make it more desktop-friendly, and you get pretty much the same thing either way (albeit branded differently).
More important than money is the code contributed back to FreeBSD. Both Netflix and Whatsapp do a lot of customization, and once their systems are stable, they start working with FreeBSD to upstream the changes. Both companies do a lot of with SMP IO scaling.
PC-BSD is a thin veneer on top of FreeBSD. You can upgrade or downgrade between FreeBSD and PC-BSD. The main benefits of PC-BSD is the tooling that makes using FreeBSD more friendly. Think of PC-BSD as a collection of scripts and a few optional services.
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