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SoftBank Completes $31 Billion Acquisition of ARM (theverge.com)

Roughly two months later, SoftBank announced today that it has completed its $31 billion acquisition of British chip designer ARM Holdings. The Verge reports: "SoftBank's purchase of ARM is the latest in a line of acquisitions in recent years for the Japanese company, including the $20 billion Sprint acquisition, and a $15 billion investment in Vodafone's Japanese division. ARM is well known for designing chips and licensing them to companies like Apple and Samsung, and ARM-designed chips dominate mobile computing in phones and tablets. 15 billion ARM-designed chips shipped last year alone, and around half of those were in mobile devices. SoftBank is expected to use the ARM deal to bolster its Internet of Things plans."

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  1. Wealth concentration by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wish we'd tax these mega corps more. Ever since the 50's we started dropping the tax rates on the 1%. They've got all the money now and nothing better to do with it besides buy up every company in existence. It makes me laugh when people think a boycott has the slightest difference. Gonna buy from company A instead of B? Go ahead. After 50 years of giving all the money in the world to 1% of the population they own literally everything.

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    1. Re: Wealth concentration by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given the 1% pay far more taxes than corporations do, I'm not sure what your rant is getting at. And given they earn 19% of the country's AGI while playing 37% of the country's income taxes, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind saying that it's unfair, nor do I quite understand why some people write books akin to mein kampf about how much they're perceived to be ruining humanity.

    2. Re:Wealth concentration by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      And yet come November you'll be voting for the ultimate 1%er.

      How funny!

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    3. Re: Wealth concentration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's saying that the wealth disparity is harmful, and giving too much power to too little people is not ideal. If you don't understand that, you might want to read up on the economic issues of the early US. Better yet, you might want to study history at any time, and any place.

    4. Re: Wealth concentration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So been living under the desk of fox news I see. Best to do a little reading before making a fool of yourself.

    5. Re: Wealth concentration by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Watching fox news would require a cable subscription, which I don't have. Though to be honest, people who attribute fox news as a source of every opinion that they don't like are even bigger fools than those who they attack.

    6. Re: Wealth concentration by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      He's saying that the wealth disparity is harmful, and giving too much power to too little people is not ideal. If you don't understand that, you might want to read up on the economic issues of the early US. Better yet, you might want to study history at any time, and any place.

      Well let's look at history then. The corporations in the era you speak of had the power to wage war, jail and execute people who didn't pay their debts, and the most wealthy corporation to ever exist was worth 8 trillion dollars in today's money at its peak in 1637, which basically rivals today's US government. We haven't seen any corporations anywhere even closely being that powerful or wealthy in over two centuries.

      The world's most powerful and wealthy people today pale in comparison to that as well. The saying "The sun never sets over England" comes to mind, not only to give you how much of an idea of just how much power England wielded over the entire fucking planet, but also the Lieutenants of the crown. The world's present richest person, Bill Gates, is nothing compared to ANY government official of that era.

      And in spite of all of that, we're somehow in the worst of times?

      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...

    7. Re: Wealth concentration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in spite of all of that, we're somehow in the worst of times?

      Nobody in this thread said this, which makes your post mostly about a strawman.

    8. Re: Wealth concentration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone links to "rational"wiki and then uses a fallacy? You don't say!

    9. Re: Wealth concentration by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      And in spite of all of that, we're somehow in the worst of times?

      Considering we're quite likely to wipe out 99% of life on this planet including ourselves then yes, + the 1% are very bad custodians.

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    10. Re: Wealth concentration by Bongo · · Score: 1

      A lot of things can be said to be "quite likely" yet only exist in people's imaginations.

      I'm sure you have a lot of reasons for saying what you say, but much of what circulates in culture is just stories with little basis in evidence. And that's why politicians are masters of spin, because if people really did have a good grasp of what's really real, there would be no spin, they would all have to just talk about evidence. But people operate with beliefs and stories and ideas and we have very powerful imaginations, and the imagination is a great tool, but don't mistake a scenario for reality.

      For example, is this true of false: if you are living in a developed country, on an average or slightly above average income, then you are, compared to the planet, part of the one percent.

    11. Re: Wealth concentration by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Quite likely based upon history and science we're accidifying the ocean and dangerously heating the planet, the heating will feedback loop, methane containing permafrosts are melting, ocean calthrates might be released. The result of all this could easily be our extinction.

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    12. Re: Wealth concentration by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Two centuries? A bloody fruit company had overthrown a government of a country only a century ago, and in 1954 another fruit company overthrew a government of yet another country, paying the US government for the training of their mercenaries.
      Even the Iraq war was very much caused by corporation interests, but only Poland has been honest about this.

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    13. Re: Wealth concentration by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      And in 2016 a fruit company is the biggest in the world. (Which coincidentally co-founded ARM back in 1990.)

    14. Re: Wealth concentration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite likely you are unable to process, and thus ignore, information that does not reinforce your world view.

    15. Re: Wealth concentration by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      A fruit company didn't overthrow anything, rather they bought out already corrupt politicians in those regions, forming so called banana republics. This is a much different thing than a corporation having its own military and executing its own invasion.

      I'd mention that such a thing hasn't happened in a long time, but I won't bother because I'll get a ton of AC conspiracy theories from people who read too many cyberpunk novels, using terms like "megacorps" intermittently.

    16. Re: Wealth concentration by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      You are very much misinformed. Both fruit companies hired actual mercenaries to overthrow the respective governments. That has nothing to do with buying politicians. And today companies still hire mercenaries, this has nothing to do with cyberpunk.

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  2. how much will they invest going forward ? by johnjones · · Score: 1

    The interesting bit will be if they have a long term investment strategy.

    Chip Design and sales are multi year and do they have the ability....

    little sad that ARM are removed from the FTSE

    John Jones

     

  3. SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Britain loses open access to the EU, how long do you think SoftBank will stay in the UK? SoftBank had made noises about doubling the ARM workforce in the UK in the years after purchase. But with the uncertainty of Brexit, they might want to open a second branch on the Continent where they can maintain EU access.

    1. Re:SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have higher chances to see UK imploding than EU :)

    2. Re: SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Brexit is not happening.
      The only thing imploding is Theresa May.

    3. Re:SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2

      If Britain loses open access to the EU, how long do you think SoftBank will stay in the UK? SoftBank had made noises about doubling the ARM workforce in the UK in the years after purchase. But with the uncertainty of Brexit, they might want to open a second branch on the Continent where they can maintain EU access.

      Most of ARM's business is done with the far east and States, Samsung, Apple, Qualcomm, etc. ARM was one of the few companies shares that was not hit by the result of the referendum. Now if you want to talk employee access, then that might be more of an issue if a full EU split happens, but trade itself for them is probably not going to be particularly affected.

    4. Re: SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Brexit doesn't exist. So they voted to exit the EU. What does that even mean? They can still do all the things that being in the EU means. I mean they can still allow the same or even more immigrants, they can still have zero tariffs on EU goods. Brexit is meaningless.

      I mean, here is an analogy ..you can get married, move in with your spouse .. Get her to make you sandwiches or whatever. Then, a year later you can get divorced. But just because you are divorced doesn't mean you can't live with her and nothing forbids her making sandwiches for you. But hey if somebody asks you can say "we're divorced". Are you really? Yah Brexit is like getting divorced and getting into an FWB situation right after the divorce.

    5. Re: SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by lalleglad · · Score: 1

      I think May will loose i the end and that Brexit won't happen, but I wouldn't call it that she implodes.

      She has to work hard towards Brexit because she was for staying within EU, so she must now not show any sign of 'wanting to stay in the EU'.

      The longer it takes for UK to effectuate Brexit, the clearer it will be for anyone that it is in fact not practically possible, especially for the UK.
      When that understanding has been reached my a large majority, then May or a subsequent UK premier may work towards staying.

      I do hope that this whole situation is a wake up call to the pretty elite politicians in EU, that they need backup from the people, and right now there are many in the whole EU that have serious doubts about the project.

    6. Re: SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      Of course there is the potential that nothing will change - we could exit the EU but retain access to the common market, which means we would still be on the hook for membership fees, unlimited EU migration etc....

      You know what would happen if that were the case? The government would lose the next general election. Badly. The sentiment of those who voted for Leave is pretty clear - they don't want unlimited migration (which is a requirement of membership now) etc. Usurp that sentiment and the electorate won't forget.

    7. Re: SoftBank, Arm, & Brexit by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      they don't want unlimited migration (which is a requirement of membership now)

      Who voted for that? The original treaty involved free movement of workers - not the same thing at all.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  4. I've read to much Larry Niven by stewartwb · · Score: 1

    Man, I've read to much Niven - without context, my first thought was ARM = The Amalgamated Regional Militia, from the Gil "The ARM" Hamilton stories that pre-date Ringworld.

  5. IoT by negRo_slim · · Score: 0

    Tinkering with microcontrollers and small ARM devices is fun and all but I've yet to see any products come along that were half as interesting as my own creations, which are satisfying in no small part due to the thought and effort that goes into creating them. IoT ends up feeling like a concept fishing for users. Sure plenty of people can be fooled into thinking they needed wifi lightbulbs after the fact but how many are really ever starting out thinking, gee I wish my Device X could receive commands from my office PC or from my phone while I'm out and about?

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    1. Re:IoT by adolf · · Score: 1

      I've still got a 386SLC laptop around somewhere which is destined to be an NTP wallclock.

      But meh. Until the "IoT" stops having compatibility issues, it's no good. It needs to be at least as reliable as MIDI and DMX between brands, instead of the cacophony of not-standards that manufacturers present today.

      Do I want a house full of connected lightbulbs? Yes -- yes, I do! Not so much so that they can light up only the rooms that I am in (dumb LEDs are already crazy-efficient-enough that turning off lights barely matters), but so I can make them red to keep my eyes from adjusting when working on the car outside at night, and modify the color temperature during the day.

      Do I want them to all be forcibly of the same brand? Absolutely not.

  6. arm and a leg... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow, that really cost an arm and a leg...

  7. Re:Number of ARM chips year by Euler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    15 billion sounds a little high, but not by much. 15 million would absolutely be too low considering the worldwide market, and the wide range of arm processors out there (not all go into phones or tablets.) You probably own dozens of arm processors that you didn't even realize because they are embedded in everything.

  8. Re: Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15mil? you daft? whats in your pocket?

    also this makes ms linkedin buy look even more stupid.

  9. This is worrisome by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    You have a company that evidently doesn't know jack shit about technology, buying the #1 technology disrupter in a generation. Softbank knows how to make money in the short term, which is at complete odds of growing a standard to make money long term.

    1. Re: This is worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you know who SoftBank are?

  10. Re: Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually if I understand this correctly. Arm shipped zero chips. But the companies that licensed the architecture shipped billions of them.

  11. Re:Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >15 billion ARM chips a year?

    Yes, that is correct. They are not all fully fledged CPUs and SoCs though. I do doubt the 'half of them on mobile'. There were about 1.2 billion smart phones last year and probably the same number of dumb phones. 6 chips per phone? I doubt it.

  12. How they gonna get it back? by backslashdot · · Score: 2

    How they gonna get back 31 billion? Since 1 in 7 people will buy a smart phone or gadget every 2 years. That means they gotta get $30 from every smartphone owner just to cover their cost? That's F'd up to say the least. If they increase the cost of an ARM license even slightly it means the smartphone will cost dramatically higher because of the increase in risk capital needed. Basically this deal is terrible for the consumer and probably SoftBank too.

    1. Re:How they gonna get it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think bigger .... ARM IP isn't just in Smartphones, it's in one hell of a lot more devices than that!

    2. Re:How they gonna get it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How they gonna get back 31 billion? Since 1 in 7 people will buy a smart phone or gadget every 2 years. That means they gotta get $30 from every smartphone owner just to cover their cost? That's F'd up to say the least. If they increase the cost of an ARM license even slightly it means the smartphone will cost dramatically higher because of the increase in risk capital needed. Basically this deal is terrible for the consumer and probably SoftBank too.

      Its almost certain to say that any device that isnt a PC that needs a processor has an ARM based processor in it. O/C this means the first order of business will be for softbank to jack up prices. ARM for all it's success only pulled in a few hundred million a year from recollection.

    3. Re: How they gonna get it back? by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Do they actually need to make in profits the amount paid to buy it? Why ? That's a lot of disk to sell in the dell emc buy out

    4. Re:How they gonna get it back? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      How they gonna get back 31 billion? Since 1 in 7 people will buy a smart phone or gadget every 2 years.

      ARM processors are used in many devices and not just smart phones. ARM processors range from smartphones to ultra-low power embedded electronics like routers, cars, medical devices, etc.

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    5. Re:How they gonna get it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably whatever they bought for 31 billion will still be worth something in 2 years. It may actually be worth more in 2 years (to some potential buyer).

      I mean, how many investment opportunities do you know that give 50% ROI per year? Because I would REALLY like to know.

    6. Re: How they gonna get it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have $31 billion and the return they can otherwise get is 1% then if ARM makes $310 million profit and its market cap rises by 1% each year then ARM makes it 2% on that cash pile. It doesn't have to make $31 billion back in any time frame, just beat other investments to be viable.

      (Figures for illustration only)

    7. Re:How they gonna get it back? by nazsco · · Score: 1

      ARM is destroying intel in every front on mobile and the predictions for mid to long term are even better for ARM.

      this might be Intel doing what microsoft did on the 90s with their competitors

    8. Re:How they gonna get it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. That's not how it works
      2. Why would the 90+% of ARM chips not used in smartphones suddenly stop yielding profit?

  13. When will Apple buy Softbank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that this acquisition is harmful to everyone. ARM should not be owned by anyone any more than Intel or AMD. To do otherwise would present a monopoly on chip technology that could be hamstrung by "the corporate meddlers"

    Sure Alpha, MIPS, RISC/PPC/Power, SPARC and such other designs may still exist, and are still alternatives should Softback decide to screw everyone who has licensed ARM tech in the future, but these chips aren't popular because they are expensive and single-source. x86 is not single-source.

    There are other technologies out there. MMIX (no known implementations), RISC-V, and OpenSPARC. Nothing else. RISC-V and OpenSPARC can be used royalty-free and work on existing BSD and Linux operating systems with no substantial re-engineering. Then there is OpenRISC which tries and fails to apply the GPL to a chip ISA and thus no known implementations exist.

    1. Re: When will Apple buy Softbank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And J-Core. Which is BSD, designed to run linux. On track to have tape outs at 3 separate fabs by early next year. www.j-core.org

    2. Re: When will Apple buy Softbank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And J-Core. Which is BSD, designed to run linux.

      You had me going 'whathuh' for a second there, until I realized you meant BSD-licensed, and not running a BSD.

  14. Re:Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "around 15 billion ARM-based chips in 2015" is what the annual report says

  15. Depressing for the UK tech industry by rklrkl · · Score: 2

    ARM was a shining light of the the UK tech industry - its clever strategy of licensing its designs without manufacturing them made it a stellar company. Now it's been sold off to a Japanese company-swallowing mega-corporation, so is there a UK-owned equivalent to ARM left in the tech industry? It's a sad say, even if Softbank overpaid somewhat.

    1. Re:Depressing for the UK tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >its clever strategy of licensing its designs without manufacturing them made it a stellar company

      It made it a company with a hugely popular product, but one that makes less money that all of its customers.

      >is there a UK-owned equivalent to ARM left in the tech industry

      Imagination - who own MIPS.

    2. Re:Depressing for the UK tech industry by myrrdyn · · Score: 2

      is there a UK-owned equivalent to ARM left in the tech industry?

      Imagination Technologies, developer of PowerVR GPUs and owner of MIPS

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  16. Re:Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ARMs processor designs are in pretty much everything low powered at this point from Servers to Barcode scanners. 15b ARM based chips doesn't sound off by much

  17. Blame Brexit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Japanese companies want out of the UK after the nation vote for freedom from the EU. But wait! Japanese companies are buying UK industry leading tech after the UK voted for independence. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

  18. Even some x86 CPUs contain ARM by xororand · · Score: 2

    AMD's new x86 Zen CPUs contain an ARM based coprocessor.

    Zen added the support for AMD's Secure Memory Encryption (SME) and AMD's Secure Encrypted Virtualization (SEV). Secure Memory Encryption is real time memory encryption done per page table entry. This is done utilizing the onboard "Security" Processor (ARM Cortex-A5) at boot time to encrypt each page, allowing any DDR-4 memory (including nonvolatile varieties) to be encrypted. AMD SME also makes the contents of the memory more resistant to memory snooping and cold boot attacks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Then there are the new ARM-based Opterons.
    http://www.amd.com/en-us/produ...

    1. Re: Even some x86 CPUs contain ARM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New ARM architectures also have vector processing extensions which means better mathematics operations for many of the common tasks which resolve to fast Fourier transforms or matrix manipulation

  19. Re:Number of ARM chips year by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ARM presumably makes more money on the big ones, especially if they also license the GPU; but the 'Cortex-M' low power/small size microcontrollers ship in heroic quantities compared to the 'Cortex-A' application processors that actually get mentioned on the spec sheets of various cellphones and tablets. There are also the 'Cortex-R' designs aimed at tasks with hard real time constraints; those are rarely mentioned but ubiquitious in cell modems and the like.

    Then you have the 3rd party designs that are ISA compatble rather than directly licenses of ARM designs, Apple and Qualcomm certainly ship a fair few of those.

    15 billion may be a bit high; but 15 million probably doesn't even cover a year of new cellphones.

    That said, it's exactly this ubiquity and versatility that makes me wonder what SoftBank is thinking in actually buying ARM. ARM does licensing, so if you want a CPU for your application with more customization than just buying a reel of somebody's ready-to-go silicon, they'll sell you a license on pretty favorable terms. Definitely cheaper than paying ~45% over market price to buy out the whole company. If you want the right to do your own thing with their ISA, or want them to design something to fit your particular niche, that'll cost more than a cookie-cutter license; but still substantially less than buying them out.

    Plus, since their business is licensing, buying them out is more or less assured to make all their existing customers nervous: what is the new management going to do? Are they going to plunder ARM's design talent for their own pet projects? Start monkeying with license fees, release schedules, etc. to gain competitive advantage for their own products in other markets?

    I freely admit that I'm no genius of the silicon supply chain; but my impression was always that ARM's success was a kind of 'for profit development consortium': They aren't running a charity; but they offer solid engineering and reasonable prices to basically everyone who comes knocking, which has made ARM a de-facto standard for a wide range of situations where a company needs a CPU to embed in their product and doesn't want to DIY a proprietary freakshow; or invest the resources necessary to deliver a competitive, updated, SPARC core or the like. Since ARM sells to everyone, they amortize engineering costs across a zillion units; and their licensees can mostly rest easy knowing that ARM, who doesn't have any real direct involvement in selling SoCs or phones, or products in other markets, isn't going to start turning the screws on their licencees in an attempt to boost their own product lines.

    This laid-back attitude probably contributed to having a stock price low enough to be an acquisition target; but it also helps them make all the sales they do. If people wanted to deal with an arrogant, dangerous; but very skillful single-source, they could buy Intel silicon. If they wanted to go it alone, SPARC is free for the implementing and MIPS is practically begging people to use their ISA. So far, ARM's combination of greater engineering support than the do-it-yourself options, and greater friendliness and better prices than the Intel options have proven very popular. Now that SoftBank needs to recoup a substantial investment and do whatever they had in mind when the purchased ARM, though, is that state of affairs going to persist?

  20. Not a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a good thing. They'll screw it up.

  21. Now I can haz 5,000 year old mobile phone technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u see

  22. Re:Number of ARM chips year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the USA is giving control of the ICANN to other nations, like UN. Do not complain when ARM chips get tagged as leaving the market and you cannot find substitutes... What are you going to complain about with?

  23. Softbank = Microsoft by jcdr · · Score: 1

    If you do a search with "Softbank Microsoft" you will quickly realize that Softbank is in a very close relation with Microsoft.
    I hope to be false, but I am afraid that the ability to install a free Linux on any ARM devices will be a thing of the past in less than 10 years.
     

  24. Business is War! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Connor: Bullshit? There's a keiretsu war going on. A Japanese corporation never stands alone. A keiretsu is a united front of hundreds of powerful companies, all acting in partnership to win.
    Web Smith: To win what?
    John Connor: Whatever's there. You ever hear "business is war"? The war is never over.