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Comcast Will Launch a Wireless Service Next Year (businessinsider.com)

Steve Kovach, writing for Business Insider:Comcast plans to launch its own wireless service in 2017, CEO Brian Roberts said at the Goldman Sachs Communicopia conference Tuesday. Since Comcast doesn't have its own cell towers, it'll rely on WiFi networks for connectivity. The user will be switched to Verizon's network when they're away from WiFi. There are already a few smaller carriers that offer services like this, like Google's Project Fi and Republic Wireless. Those companies work as mobile virtual network operators (MVNO) and pay major wireless carriers like Sprint or T-Mobile to use their cell towers when users aren't connected to WiFi. MVNOs tend to be cheaper than traditional wireless carriers, offering benefits like the option to only pay for the data you use. The move will also help Comcast and Verizon compete with AT&T, which merged with DirecTV and is able to offer combined wireless, home broadband, and TV packages.

50 comments

  1. Hell of a money maker by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll make money from the cell phone service and they'll make money from the service fees they charge the cable customers for going over their data caps due to the cell phone traffic.

    Clever !

    1. Re:Hell of a money maker by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, but they would never let someone else's cellphone use count towards your bandwidth cap - not that you could ever check it of course. You just have to take their word for it.

      What's best of all is that they can then charge the guy using the cellphone for going over HIS data cap, too.

    2. Re:Hell of a money maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In business, that's what we call a win-win scenario.

    3. Re:Hell of a money maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess you're not aware of xfinitywifi? Runs on a separate network / IP space, and bandwidth from the customer's connection. I'd assume the "cellular" service will either work from xfinitywifi or another network they implement so they can control the quality of (manage) it, and fall back to Verizon when not in range. Where do most people make calls ? Probably home.. How to they handle "roaming" from one wifi AP to another?

      Maybe I'm wrong and it'll just use what ever wifi it can find a network connection on? Sounds like a bad idea.

    4. Re:Hell of a money maker by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and you will be hit for that data usage when the meter fails.

    5. Re:Hell of a money maker by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 2

      I am aware of xfinitywifi, but I don't use it. As best I can determine, there's no way to confirm any given xfinitywifi hotspot is truly xfinitywifi, so I'm not going to enter my Comcast credentials into one to use it.

      What will change with this new service? (Other than users' phones logging into random hotpsots claiming to be xfinitywifi (or whatever name will be used).)

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    6. Re:Hell of a money maker by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Other than users' phones logging into random hotpsots claiming to be xfinitywifi

      Really good point.

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  2. Great... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We not only get to wait on hold for cable modem problems, but now wireless as well.

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    1. Re:Great... by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've always loved how their phone system tells you to look for internet problem solving tips by going to their website. Now an outage means a delightful trip to the branch office, which I bet will be a recently remodeled DMV. "Welcome customer # 75663445752, your place in line is 443,546,563. Now serving # 7"

    2. Re: Great... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Why bother to remodel?

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  3. Next stories by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    How to disable wireless on your comcast router, so you can retail at least a minimum bandwidth, followed by legislation making this illegal.

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    1. Re:Next stories by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      Use your own router and cable modem. It's cheaper than renting, and gives you more control.

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  4. Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, all those public WiFi routers they force you to have in their routers that they promised would only be used in small doses can be connected together for this!

    Come now, you guys didn't think they were providing that service for the benefit of their customers, did you?

  5. Begging the question.... by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Will we have the opportunity to rent a wireless router for 200$ a year?

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  6. And the future is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wifi? Are you kidding me? No flying cars and now this?

  7. A shot across Verizon's bow... by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is a shot across Verizon's bow by Comcast, warning them the two will soon be in direct competition. Not for wireless service - I'm sure they'll both divvy up the country to ensure they each maintain their near-monopolies. Rather, Comcast executives were becoming worryingly upset by the comparisons between the two companies on who was providing the worst customer service. Comcast is getting into wireless telephony solely so they can show up those second-tier Verizon agents about how to /really/ screw over cell-phone customers. Because nobody fucks over customers like Comcast.

    1. Re:A shot across Verizon's bow... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If they are gonna use Verizon's service when not near WiFi towers, why go for Comcast's service at all? For instance, I am a Verizon subscriber (happen to be stuck w/ Comcast @ home), but whenever I need to make data calls, I use Vonage or 8x8. In Charlotte, when I lived near a federal facility and had attenuated cellular signals, I would use Vonage while at home to call outside, and Verizon's own service while I was out. For something like $40 a month, people could do the same.

    2. Re:A shot across Verizon's bow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a shot across Verizon's bow by Comcast, warning them the two will soon be in direct competition. Not for wireless service - I'm sure they'll both divvy up the country to ensure they each maintain their near-monopolies. Rather, Comcast executives were becoming worryingly upset by the comparisons between the two companies on who was providing the worst customer service. Comcast is getting into wireless telephony solely so they can show up those second-tier Verizon agents about how to /really/ screw over cell-phone customers. Because nobody fucks over customers like Comcast.

      In jest, many a truth is said.

      Verizon was rolling out FIOS like gangbusters in my county. It was rumored that Comcast threatened to start a phone service if they kept rolling it out. A shore while later, all new FIOS neighborhood installs stopped dead. One of my relatives was within blocks of the next FIOS update, but it was never put in their neighborhood. Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon need to be broken up again.

  8. The service everyone has always wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one am excited for another reason to deal with Comcast. I imagine everyone has been clamoring for this opportunity.

  9. Compete? by Atmchicago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The move will also help Comcast and Verizon compete with AT&T...

    Comcast. Compete. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! That was a good joke.

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    1. Re:Compete? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      Comcast certainly competes with Verizon and AT&T. Not in the marketplace, of course - just in the competition to see who can be the most evil.

  10. Monopoly by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    They will quickly drop their plans for a wireless carrier as soon as they discover that they can't force local regions to give them a monopoly on cell phone service.

    Seriously, how are Comcast going to survive when they have other companies to compete against?

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  11. Competitors working together by evilRhino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where I live, the only broadband offerings are 1.5Mbps DSL from Verizon, or Comcast Xfinity. Although Verizon had made a deal with the state government to provide broadband service to all residences, they've since reneged on the deal since by arguing their LTE coverage should count. It's been pretty clear that these two companies have made some deal to not compete with each other, and cooperate to maintain high prices and limited service.

  12. Brighthouse does this by Joe_NoOne · · Score: 1

    In Florida the cable company Brighthouse offers LOTS of free wifi hotspots all around for free if you're a customer. Basically they piggyback off of site modems they install, so it's not hard to find a place to connect.

    1. Re:Brighthouse does this by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      And they have SDV with lots of open bandwidth.

  13. As a comcast user by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    I would bitch mightily if my house were close enough to the public for others to use my router while I pay for the power. Can you imagine how much Comcast is benefiting by not paying for the power load their millions of wifi hotspots are consuming?

    1. Re:As a comcast user by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      Why even use their CPE? If you really care about distancing yourself from your ISP, the last thing I would do is use the CPE that they provide you.

  14. Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worst ISP EVER!

  15. Fucking great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming soon: Every Comcast router will enable the XFinity WiFi hotspot with no way to disable! I'm sure it will be a convenient time to roll out data caps to the rest of the country while they're at it.

  16. Harumpf. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    This sounds like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Such as "you know, I love getting the high hard one from my cable company - I wonder if there's a way that I could get even more screwed by them, while getting worse wireless service than I get from my incumbent provider who also screws me bigtime?"

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  17. You Mean Re-Enter Wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast had a cell company until they sold it to Cingular.

  18. Here's your one dollar per year by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you can find some *good* reasons to bitch about this. Power usage will be increased by about 2-3 watts while something is actively downloading. If someone is downloading constantly 8 hours per day, that's about $1 per year power cost.

    1. Re:Here's your one dollar per year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * 22 million subscribers, that's a lot of free power

  19. Over Xfinity Wifi? I doubt it. by cupcakewalk · · Score: 1

    If this is the reason that Comcast modems broadcast xfinitywifi, this will fail just as anything relying on xfinitywifi does.

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  20. This is the devils work by Simulant · · Score: 3, Funny


    Verizon AND Comcast?

    There really is a hell.

    1. Re:This is the devils work by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it's their joint call-center.

  21. still uses local QAM bandwith / wifi space / cpu by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    still uses local QAM bandwith / wifi space / and router cpu

  22. Wi-Fi Roaming? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    This whole notion of offloading cell traffic onto Wi-Fi is flawed.

    Wi-Fi wasn't made for roaming. That explains why when you are sitting in your car outside your work your phone happily remains connected to work's Wi-Fi router but you get zero throughput. Wi-Fi also cannot do seamless handoff between routers the way mobile data can.

    Regardless, I never connect to Wi-Fi hotspots. Their throughput is either swamped by other users or throttled by QoS. Either way, the only reason to connect to Wi-Fi is for high-bandwidth operations. If it can't handle that there's no point. Not to mention the latency is always awful compared to my mobile data connection.

    1. Re:Wi-Fi Roaming? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, those hotspots are usually no-password and a security sieve

    2. Re:Wi-Fi Roaming? by gatfirls · · Score: 1

      I don't know to what degree it has been rolled out but in my neck of the woods every comcast router has two radios one for the customer and one for xfinity wifi. The initial excuse for this was to support xfinity users wherever they are but I have a feeling this was the ultimate goal.

      I wasn't using my comcast router for wifi so I turned it off and used my linksys. A year later i began having wifi issues nonstop and after using wifianalyzer I saw that they had turned on the other radio and it was like double the signal strength as my router.

      That said, most people rarely use their phone to make calls anymore so I suspect they will basically offload all voice to Verizon and everything else will use wifi.

    3. Re: Wi-Fi Roaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I think this is a horrible idea, it is only because it is Comcast. Wifi to cellular handoff has been done before. I have google as my cell phone provider(using both Sprint and Tmobile's networks plus wifi) and it will hand off mid call without issue about 90% of the time for me. And I suspect the 10% drop rate is mostly due to me living at the very edge of Tmobile's network and sometimes having a spot in my driveway where neither my wifi or cellular signal reaches.

    4. Re: Wi-Fi Roaming? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Yes I don't claim to be an expert, only anecdotal evidence.

      I know that if I config my phone to use the "xfinitywifi" access points, it really messes things up. When I'm driving, it will "roam" onto these resulting in me having really poor or no connectivity. Whatever Google is doing, it doesn't seem like Comcast has it yet.

  23. WTF!!!!! by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    So ya.... no one sees the conflict of interest in this?

    Comcast and Verizon in bed together? Any wonder you can't get FiOS ANYWHERE!!!

    Ya, I am so sick of this crap....

  24. Time to file monopolistic abuse lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, we can't allow Comcast to be the "worst" provider in so many areas of service, there has to be some field where Comcast doesn't win the coveted title of "Worst customer service and or service provider"...

    Think of all the little companies vying to become the worst in their niche market...

  25. Most Hated Company in USA offers Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Hated Company in USA offers Service.
    Let's see how that goes.

  26. Hells Bells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast, Verizon, and Goldman Sachs grunting a new product out together; truly a new product offering forged in the lowest depths of hell. On the bright side, it will give a whole new set of ways that they can provide terrible Comcastic-level service.

  27. mooch wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, now I can mooch off my neighbors' wifi. Legally. If the price is low enough, it could be a good deal.

  28. One More Way to Not Be a Comcast Customer by ZipK · · Score: 1

    With Comcast's world-class bad customer service, what could possibly go wrong?

  29. What did you do to hurt Comcast today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not here this is not going to happen. I live on a busy street and have a decoy "xfinitywifi"-ssid a lot of people connect to daily. It looks like a xfinity wifi hotspot but all it does is collect xfiniti account credential and feeds ads for really obscene porn sites and generally does not work. Not a lot of people sign up for service. During the entire duration I have had this decoy running, only 2 people tried to use their credit card with it.

    What did you do to hurt Comcast today?

  30. Complete stupidity by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Comcast has precisely ZERO chance to make this work, and I don't say that just because Cox's attempt failed miserably. Have they heard of the cellular price wars? Have they looked at all the prepaid MVNOs out there? There are plans out there for everyone, no matter how little or how much data you use, and their prices are quickly trending towards zero.

    People already know they can offload their cellular data usage onto WiFi, and the big ISPs all have some inexpensive way you can gain access to all their WiFi APs. Republic Wireless' most popular plan is the cheaper one with NO CELLULAR DATA included.

    The only thing the big wired and WiFi ISPs could do to break-in to the cellular market is get together and offer service across ALL of their respective networks, for one low fee, and preferably after writing an app that automatically connects to any of their available WiFi APs in range. Doing this without interruption might require back-hauling to the cellular co, instead of directly accessing the internet, but that would actually be a value-add improvement over people just connecting to whatever unencrypted AP they can find... Then make a deal with one of the existing cellular companies to preload that feature onto all their phones.

    The cell co doesn't need to build out nearly so many cell towers in urban areas to maintain fast internet speeds, the wired ISPs get a small cut of the monthly fees, and users pay less money for their data plan.

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