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Microsoft Partners With Bank of America On Blockchain Trade Finance (securityweek.com)

wiredmikey quotes a report from SecurityWeek: Microsoft and Bank of America Merrill Lynch said they are working together to make financial transactions more efficient with blockchain technology -- the foundation of bitcoin digital currency. Blockchains are considered tamper-proof registers in which entries are time-stamped and linked to previous "blocks" in a data chain. As expected, the technology that drives the shadowy bitcoin cryptocurrency is drawing interest from the established banking industry, which sees a potential to revolutionize the sector. The companies said they will build and test frameworks for blockchain-powered exchanges between businesses and their customers and banks. Microsoft plans to use its Azure cloud service platform to enable blockchain transactions between a major corporate treasury and a financial institution. "Blockchains serve as public ledgers considered easy to audit and verify. They are also automated, speeding up transactions and limiting potential for error or revision," the report adds. The companies said that by using blockchain technology, they can digitalize and automate trade finance processes, which are traditionally highly manual, time-consuming and costly.

43 comments

  1. Ah yes... by CaptSlaq · · Score: 2

    Because speed and automation didn't have any part in the previous fiscal downturn.

    1. Re:Ah yes... by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2

      But with this we'd be able to tell pretty quickly who started the market falling. All of the trades would be public readable. In theory.

      The question is when the law will catch up and allow legal liability to be assessed and assigned based on the record?

    2. Re:Ah yes... by kwbauer · · Score: 2

      So, the only financial transactions that any business engages in are securities trades? I guess I need to dig deeper to understand exactly how stock trades get involved in my employer making bi-weekly direct deposits into our (mine and my coworker's) accounts. I'll also ask my brother-in-law what stocks he is using to make payments to the corporation he is a franchisee of and to pay his food suppliers and such.

      Or maybe CaptSlaq and H3lldr0p should find some other deceased equines to pummel.

    3. Re:Ah yes... by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      It is actually not fast compared to most other things you would think of as "fast". It takes roughly 10 minutes to find each new block, and a transaction is usually not considered "confirmed" until 6 blocks in the chain have been found and agreed on. So it takes about an hour to confirm a transaction currently in Bitcoin, compared to a few seconds with a credit card.

    4. Re:Ah yes... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Flash crash, baby! And who else to start one?

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    5. Re:Ah yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin transactions are 'instant' but take 10 minutes to confirm, and 1 hour to be final. Spendable usually with a single confirmation.

      Credit card transaction are 'instant' but take 3 BUSINESS DAYS to confirm, and 30-180 days to be final.

    6. Re:Ah yes... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Of course, it's also editable.

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    7. Re:Ah yes... by CaptSlaq · · Score: 1

      So, the only financial transactions that any business engages in are securities trades? I guess I need to dig deeper to understand exactly how stock trades get involved in my employer making bi-weekly direct deposits into our (mine and my coworker's) accounts. I'll also ask my brother-in-law what stocks he is using to make payments to the corporation he is a franchisee of and to pay his food suppliers and such.

      Or maybe CaptSlaq and H3lldr0p should find some other deceased equines to pummel.

      When you have an error as massive as the last one caused in part by automation, it might possibly be understandable that such announcements of further automation are suspect until evidence of actual improvement has happened. How much evidence it takes to regain trust in a system is up for debate.

  2. ATM on your phone? by sdhankin · · Score: 1

    We seem to be approaching a time when it would at least be possible to have an app on your phone that would allow you to transfer money (in the form of bitcoins or other blockchain-based currency) directly to your phone. There it would serve as a wallet, allowing you to make direct purchases. I wonder if such a plan is being considered?

    1. Re:ATM on your phone? by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      Already exists.

    2. Re:ATM on your phone? by I4ko · · Score: 1

      And then someone will DDoS the cellular network or EMP it, or just throw in a bunch of white noise makers on the frequencies of the cell towers and you are toast.

    3. Re:ATM on your phone? by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      But then Jack Bauer will show up to stop them. We are talking about TV right?

    4. Re:ATM on your phone? by jasonma84 · · Score: 1

      How is that any different than our current banking system. Our current system is all digital and would still be subject to EMP or DDos... At least with a truly digital currency all you have to do is print a digital key of your account and you've got a hard backup to tuck away in your safe or wherever. It would be nearly impossible to destroy the ledger since it would exist everywhere in the world and if need be beyond (think satelites).

    5. Re:ATM on your phone? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      And here's another working implementation, which doesn't involve waiting several minutes for blockchain resolution. This is run by the same Square that provides those little point-of-sale readers that attach to an iPad at the local coffee bar.
      https://cash.me/

  3. I heard... by burtosis · · Score: 1

    It was going to be called e-coin. Should be released early May.

    1. Re:I heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully that $1 trillion check from China clears.

  4. MIT License by gatfirls · · Score: 1

    Banks: Thanks *yoink*

  5. Microsoft: Ha ha! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    Microsoft: I'm in ur bank, stealin' ur moneyz!!

    Trusting Microsoft with banking is like hiring John Wayne Gacy as your babysitter.

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  6. The TRUTH regarding the KORAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    http://www.thereligionofpeace....

    Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
    Quran
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this v

    1. Re:The TRUTH regarding the KORAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I guess as a remedy to this situation, you could simply kill all 1.6 billion muslims in the world and burn all prints of the Quran world-wide. Or you could shut up and get help with your mental problems.

  7. Anti-Christ by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

    Evil partners with Super Evil....

    The anti-christ has been born.

  8. Oh great, just what we need... by jasonma84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft trying to move in on another open source technology and trying to package, bundle and sell it off as their own... How refreshing. I am personally sick of Microsoft and Bank of America and think digital currency is better off without either of them. I know JP Morgan at one point was trying to move in on this territory as well but they couldn't figure out how to build a new digital currency without basically re-creating bit coin. What this really boils down to is control and inevitably will become mainstream when the government figures out how to regulate it and big banks figure out how to control it in order to issue new debt. Personally I would like to see more private exchanges from small startups and perhaps peer to peer loans leveraging bit coin. Not quite sure how to enforce people pay bit-coin loans back being anonymous, but I'm sure somebody will figure it out. Regardless, anything is better than the corrupt system we have in place so long as large corporations don't muck it up.

    1. Re:Oh great, just what we need... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose it would be much of a problem - as long as they don't change it a little, patent it, and establish a new 'standard' where noone else can play. Would Bitcoin be prior art enough to prevent that?

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  9. Fyi this is NOT crypto-currency by raymorris · · Score: 1

    This post isn't really a reply to CaptSlaq. Sorry to reply to you randomly, but I wanted to out this above the idiot Koran spammer.

    A common misconception is that this use of a blockchain is a new crypto-currency. Readers should note this is a DIFFERENT use of a blockchain, it is not a new currency, nor is it Bitcoin. It's simply a ledger.

  10. Not gonna happen by 0dugo0 · · Score: 1

    The auditors will have none of it. Easy to audit means less billable hours for them. They will insist that these blockchains need to be 'editable' under rules and governance to be audited by them. Anything in the financial services industry that is 'easy' lasts about 6 months until some joker comes up with an excel sheet that needs to be filled in for audit and compliance.

    1. Re:Not gonna happen by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      "Easy to audit" is bullshit. It's hard to hide; it's not easy to audit. The "public ledger" is a history of when each object has had its blockchain extended. The problem is an account consists of assets of value, such as dollars; those assets are semi-fungible, in the sense that the account has value and any set of assets producing that value is representative. Accounts typically have one or several kinds of fungible assets--a single currency or separate lots of fungible assets (e.g. your commodities account may contain oil, gold, and FCOJ; your stock account contains stocks)--because *which* of each of those things is irrelevant.

      Blockchains mean you can tell which gold piece moved where; if you want to audit financial behavior, you need to know which accounts moved what. You might be able to piece that together from a blockchain; but only by auditing every single object to determine where it once stood, collecting all objects that ever entered a particular account, and then generating an account ledger from that. It'd be like going into every bank vault and every wallet and inspecting every dollar to see whose hands it's changed through in its history. If you don't have the ability to inspect the current state of every single piece of blockchain currency in existence *and* to guarantee that you've done exactly that (i.e. that you haven't missed any), you can't audit.

      Any given dollar telling you the history of how it's been owned and spent is different than any given account describing its financial history in its ledger.

  11. The BANKS are shadowy. Bitcoin offers a way OUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitcoin allows people to transmit financial resources directly from peer to peer without any centralized intermediary.

    Banks have stolen tens of millions of dollars a year from people who are already broke every year in the form of overdraft fees. They have taken millions of homes from people after pocketing trillions of dollars in interest.

    And you call Bitcoin "shadowy..."

  12. And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. The dumb leading the blind by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm still working on who is who.

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    1. Re:The dumb leading the blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they're dumb AND blind, but trade off who's playing which part for variety's sake

  14. This may explain ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... why Microsoft is building FPGAs into their Azure cloud servers. Get the jump on blockchain mining.

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  15. Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are two of the most evil corporations in America. What could go wrong?

  16. if there isn't some way of cooking the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    afterwards, then these insitutions wouldn't be interested.

  17. BoA are not trusty worthy anything. by Darkness+Of+Course · · Score: 0

    Bank of America is a miserable company there are many, many detailed accounts of atrocious behavior to their customers, of their workers and now they partner with MSFT? I thought MSFT was trying to improve their reputation, not sink it.

  18. I have no accounts with BofA by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    And, after this, I sure as hell won't be opening one any time soon.

  19. Microsoft Partners With Bank of America On Blockch by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

    Of course Micro$oft will partner with BoA - ESPECIALLY since the whole concept of 'block chain' security has already been broken. https://news.slashdot.org/stor... The ONLY secure method of financial transfer is CASH - paper dollars (an imaginary government promissory system) from your hand to the seller's hand.

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  20. Trade Finace != Trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trade finance relates to the process of financing certain activities related to commerce and international trade. Trade finance includes such activities as lending, issuing letters of credit, factoring, export credit and insurance. Companies involved with trade finance include importers and exporters, banks and financiers, insurers and export credit agencies, and other service providers.

    Read more: Trade Finance Definition | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tradefinance.asp#ixzz4LWdH55QE

    It is used to finance supply chains typically for manufacturing industries.. Banks issues letters of credit to facilitate the supply chain such that parts are funded on basis final products will be sold. Effectively allowing transfer of credit facilities of ultimate supplier along the supply chain. The process requires some proof of that letter of Credit and some need to know what is taken by whom along the chain of suppliers.

  21. Barclays have already done it by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1
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  22. Biased Language from Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As expected, the technology that drives the shadowy bitcoin cryptocurrency is drawing interest from the established banking industry, which sees a potential to revolutionize the sector"

    "Shadowy bitcoin cryptocurrency" - Makes Bitcoin seem dirty and illegitimate.
    as opposed to the "established banking industry", which is of course completely legitimate and clean and light.

    The nice "established banking industry" now "sees a potential to revolutionize the sector". Except Bitcoin already did it. All they are doing is reacting to established technology that was developed to mitigate some of their failures.

  23. MS hosting blockchain, forget it by hAckz0r · · Score: 1
    One of the main tenants of the blockchain design is that it never have any one organization/person in control of more than 50% of the servers maintaining the financial transaction record. Microsoft will in this case have 100% of the servers, and thus could enable someone to walk off with the whole repository in what would be the biggest cyber-heist in all of recorded history. Of course we all trust Microsoft to never get hacked or do anything wicked in its own self interest.

    Sorry, I'll keep with bitcoin than-you-very-much.

  24. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to put a corporation between you and the other party. No money must change hands directly!

  25. Microsoft and BofA team up? What could go wrong? by gosand · · Score: 1

    I am really looking forward to seeing this cutting-edge technology when they complete it in 2025.

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  26. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole point of using a blockchain would be to get rid of the methods these big banks have used in the past to screw over people.

    When the problem is a complete lack of integrity by these organizations, you just have to know that they'll find a way to put in loopholes and turn the system upside down when it suits them.