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Outage Knocks Out All Major Phone Providers On the East Coast (dailydot.com)

Every major phone carrier experience outages on United States' east coast this morning at around 11am local time. The outage lasted for about 45 minutes. DownDetector, which monitors outages of services, confirmed AT&T, Verizon, Charter Spectrum, Comcast, Sprint, Time Warner Cable, US Cellular, and Vonage among others were affected. From a DailyDot report: T-Mobile CEO John Legere tweeted about the incident, pointing to issues with Level 3, a major internet backbone. Other tech firms quickly pointed to a Level 3 outage as well. No specific information has been released on potential causes of the outage or consequences that may result from it. Business VoIP providers (Resource: https://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Business) were unaffected as they run over internet connections.

121 comments

  1. they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The really should think of some sort of system of interconnected networks that is so redundant and widespread that even a nuclear war couldn't take out!

    1. Re:they should really plan for this by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> think of some sort of system of interconnected networks

      Talk to Al Gore. I heard he has an idea.

    2. Re:they should really plan for this by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

      Quite so. I understand DARPA long ago funded an effort to design such a network. It is a pity that it was, apparently, never actually deployed.

    3. Re: they should really plan for this by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      In this case, the Internet was the problem. Level 3.

    4. Re:they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      snarky, but lacking in anything resembling a substantive comment that moves the conversation forward. Or even a fact.

    5. Re:they should really plan for this by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      You have been watching too much Mr. Robot.

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    6. Re: they should really plan for this by Hylandr · · Score: 0

      Level 3. Not surprised in the least. I had worked for a company that hosted there. There was at least one power outage per quarter and often lasted for hours.

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    7. Re: they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hosted there? Not real sure you understand what level 3 does. Colocation isn't worth mentioning as far as the business they run.

      They are a tier 1 internet provider that MOST of the American internet travels over, even when you think your using someone else.

    8. Re:they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The links are there, but it's the politics of peering agreements which screws everything up.

    9. Re: they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with Astound, and when the Internet stutters here, which is almost daily now, I run Traceroute with bare IP addresses, (So as to eliminate DNS issues...), and it's nearly always something screwed up at a Level 3 node, especially between ~3AM and ~9AM locally.
      So I contacted Astound once, showed them the Traceroutes, (Like ".... 44.029 ms * * * * * *"), and they eventually came back with "Level 3 won't tell us what's wrong. But thank you anyway."

      We all suspect, of course, that it's DDoS issues, but Tier 1 players like Level 3 rarely want to discuss this publicly.

    10. Re:they should really plan for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ on a cracker, you people really are retarded.

  2. I didn't notice any outage. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    I'm on the East Coast and didn't notice any outage. Are we sure it was the entire East coast?

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    1. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone was out in Charlottesville, VA. Not exactly on the coast, but sorta-close.

    2. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by markana · · Score: 1

      Initial reports on the outage list calls from wired and wireless to local and toll-free numbers (and other carriers), while long-distance (is that a thing anymore??) was unaffected. Don't know if this impacted pure data connections yet - it seems not.

      Probably a rogue backhoe...

    3. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I had two people send me e-mails saying that they could not reach me because my cell phone was "out of service". I am in Daytona Beach, FL.

    4. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on the East Coast and didn't notice any outage. Are we sure it was the entire East coast?

      I didn't notice either. Either it didn't affect my area or I have no life and wouldn't have gotten a call anyways.

      Or both.

    5. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      How often do you use your phone to actually call someone?

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    6. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      People still do that?

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    7. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't notice any problems in NH. BAU.

    8. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure! There's an app for that!

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    9. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by ehaggis · · Score: 1

      East coast of what? That may make a difference.

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    10. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew something was wrong - I had told a customer to call in to our support line in a support case at work and he replied that he had tried repeatedly but couldn't get through.

      our local number worked fine, but the toll free 866 number was giving a busy tone.. I assumed it was some localized outage or that we didn't pay the bill or something :)

    11. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it was business as usual in NH. It would be unusual if "FailPoint", the main NH carrier, actually worked.

    12. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Same here. Didn't notice a thing

    13. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I noticed. It explains why I didn't get my usual daily wakeup call from that a**hole scammer robocalling me and pretending to be the IRS....

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    14. Re: I didn't notice any outage. by jisom · · Score: 2

      One rogue backhoe shouldn't affect a coast.

      Just saying.

    15. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      rogue backhoe

      The next Star Wars sequel.

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    16. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      East coast of Slashdot. In otherwords 4chan.

    17. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was on my Verizon cell phone between 11:10 and 11:30 (DC Metro area) talking to my wife on her office phone. No issues whatsoever.

    18. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      That amazes me. Why do you still suffer that? I haven't had a land-line in almost a decade, and I can't fathom ever having one again. Well, I guess I can fathom it if I was motivated to build a call-screening system with ring-only-on-whitelist, but since I can't fathom having that motivation.....

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    19. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I get those IRS scammer calls too. I only have a cellphone. Scammers don't care what kind of phone you have; it's not like they're worried about following the law when they're impersonating a Federal agency.

    20. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's right! I use two different VoIP apps currently for calls.

    21. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by mrbester · · Score: 1

      A communications blackout can only mean one thing: invasion

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    22. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, it's easier on the cell phone to have apps that block robocalls and scammers. The downside is that you have to share incoming phone number data.

    23. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The PORN version

    24. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until the cell sites can't communicate via microwave after an earthquake because they can no longer see each other. Then you'll appreciate a land-line. And cell sites have a much more limited capacity than land-line switching centers. Land-lines are better in an emergency, and are subject to fewer failure modes. I've written switching software for both kinds of systems, and I'll take a land-line in most emergencies over a cell phone. The only advantage a cell phone has over a land-line is mobility, versus fewer failure modes for the land-line. Take your pick. I have both.

    25. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by seabrook · · Score: 1

      Yes it was out for what seemed like an hour. My cell phone showed no bars for Verizon. Fortunately I still have a land line.

    26. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in Suffolk, VA at 11am and didn't see an outage.
      I was streaming video on my phone and didn't see any problems.

    27. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, my phone OS supports this out of the box. Sucks to be all you suckers stuck on the stock carrier compromised ROMs. LOL

    28. Re:I didn't notice any outage. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      That amazes me. Why do you still suffer that? I haven't had a land-line in almost a decade, and I can't fathom ever having one again. Well, I guess I can fathom it if I was motivated to build a call-screening system with ring-only-on-whitelist, but since I can't fathom having that motivation.....

      cause when hurricane matthew hits, i'll still be able to call my mom and tell her verizon and comcast are both dead, but i'm not.

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      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
  3. Must be big by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

    Looks like I'm getting 2nd post... Must have knocked a lot of slash dotters off line!

    1. Re:Must be big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hummm. Somebody conducting a "test outage" in advance of Hurricane Matthew - which may create a real outage?

      Just sayin'

  4. Can you hear me now? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    No? Well carry on..

    This is when Ham Radio shines... 73's to my fellow 0.2%

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    1. Re: Can you hear me now? by ThePhish · · Score: 1

      73!

    2. Re:Can you hear me now? by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can the see the lines queuing up to pass traffic via ham radio. Business calls, tech support requests, assignations with the mistress, etc.

      Oh, wait, it's just gas station lines. nvm.

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    3. Re:Can you hear me now? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Getting emergency services when you cannot call 911?

      Yep, Ham Radio does that.... The rest of your list, is not going to be legal third party traffic, except for the messages of a personal nature. You want to meet her where exactly?

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    4. Re:Can you hear me now? by Guyle · · Score: 2

      This is why I maintain my license, mobile gear and some semblance of emergency power. I'm hardly ever on the air these days (was way more active when I had a long commute and used to travel a lot) but if the proverbial shit hits the fan I'll be able to do something.

    5. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the proverbial shit hits the fan I'll be able to do something

      You mean talking about how shit hit the fan with some other guy who also had shit hit the fan, but still can do nothing about it?

      "Yup, shit hit the fan here too Al, but I've got 3 weeks of battery backup power to run the radios!" "So, do you have any food to eat?" "Uhh...."

      Yeah, that's how its going to go down when shit really hits the fan.

    6. Re:Can you hear me now? by FrankHaynes · · Score: 0

      I just have to laugh some times when I see my fellow hamateurs spout off about how much ham radio helps. When your little Baofeng 1/2 Watt portable can't hit the repeater because it has no electrical power then there won't be much you can do.

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    7. Re:Can you hear me now? by Jawnn · · Score: 2

      I just have to laugh some times when I see my fellow hamateurs spout off about how much ham radio helps. When your little Baofeng 1/2 Watt portable can't hit the repeater because it has no electrical power then there won't be much you can do.

      First of all, lots of repeaters are provisioned with backup power. Not all of them, but enough to serve in a pinch. Next, not all of us have only a 500 mw HT at our disposal. A 4-5 watt 2-meter transceiver, with the right antenna, can reach a very long way. We're making note of you and will make sure that you go to the back of the line when your iPhone has been off-line for 10 days or so.

    8. Re:Can you hear me now? by R4D4R · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that HF is also an option, not requiring repeaters at all for long distance communication.

    9. Re:Can you hear me now? by bobbied · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just have to laugh some times when I see my fellow hamateurs spout off about how much ham radio helps. When your little Baofeng 1/2 Watt portable can't hit the repeater because it has no electrical power then there won't be much you can do.

      I know of at least two repeaters which have battery backup (one which I help maintain) and I'm sure there are plenty more within the range of my Baofeng with spare batteries and the large mobile antenna I can hook up to. Then there is the mobile rig in the car, that's good for as long as I have gasoline to keep the battery charged. The repeater I help to maintain has an on site contingency plan to provide power from a portable generator should the need arise from an extended power outage so it could be on the air for days. SOME of us have plans for such things...

      Heck, some of us even practice these plans doing that yearly contest called "Field Day" perhaps you've heard of it?

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    10. Re:Can you hear me now? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Burp...

      Water, Shelter, Food and protection come before communication... Got that message a LONG time ago... Yet I still have my ham ticket and radios so what do you suppose the status of the rest of that stuff is? That ain't camping gear in my garage, nor is that 12ga in the closet for hunting rabbits... I hate camping AND hunting actually...

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    11. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd still recommend checking into a local net at least quarterly, and better yet would be monthly. Make sure the batteries are holding a charge, feedlines haven't gone bad, connectors aren't bad, etc.

      73!

    12. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the repeaters I use are on mountaintop sites with local emergency power via solar charging batteries and/or on hospitals with local generators. Yes, these won't work forever unattended, but they have regular work and testing done on them twice a year. If there was an emergency with a hill-top power outage, our local ARES would take over as net control and keep traffic to a minimum on the solar-powered locations. We train monthly, and at least twice annually we run this sort of scenario.

      I've never heard of a Baofeng that will even go to 1/2W. The lowest I know of is 1W. Power isn't really the issue, however. I routinely use repeaters 90+ miles away with a Boafeng HT running 5W with a roof-top slim-jim antenna with 6dbi of gain. Elevation and antenna gain make up for a lot that power can't often overcome.

    13. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - - - .-.. - - -
      dash dash dash dot dash dot dot dash dash dash
      Got a 100 watt rig in the truck, great until the rising waters washes it away again.....
      Wait, there is an app for that.....

    14. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean talking about how shit hit the fan with some other guy who also had shit hit the fan, but still can do nothing about it?

      Yep. Psychological prophylaxis. A major factor in survival situations and can keep one alive. Or maybe you're so friendly with your neighbors you can chat with them about it, assume they don't try to blow your head off when you cross their property lines.
      And the conversation really wouldn't touch on my survival food supplies, because there's no need to advertise on a public frequency that I'm doing fine. OTOH, I might just broadcast, "Yeah, that AC who thought Amateur Radio was useless - I hear he's got a six month food supply and no weapons to defend himself with."

      So good luck!

    15. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea- my city has a group of 30+ people possessing aboefeng radios. A good chunk of them are the 5 watt variation, but some are 8 watt. We utilize them regularly and they do work well enough outside. Especially if you get a decent antenna. It's not really 5 or 8 watts as the wattage is less than stable, but none-the-less the are good enough to reach across town combined with the illegal repeater. Everything is setup to not cause interference and it's not been a problem or even noticed. We surprisingly haven't pissed off the HAMs either (actually a few people are HAMs and I think they can be sanctioned for not reporting).

      We also have people a bit farther outside of town with antennas on roof, and between these radios, repeaters in town, car radios, and similar we're pretty darn well prepared for a catastrophe. I personally have multiple battery back up units both small and large (ie ones that can power a sump pump for many hours non-stop) and a generator /w fuel ready to go that is regularly run. Charging these devices and that of those within our group would be no problem. A good number of people are close enough (those living in town) together (many on the same street) and most of the rest are well prepared themselves.

      This is in Keene, New Hampshire where liberty-minded people have been moving for years (Keene has a small population and probably a good hundred or more live in Keene or near by). We don't want to be dependent on government. We have our own networks and multiple independent systems to communicate if need be that we use for activism and system.

      If you want less (really any government is too much government) government check out the Free State Project (www.freestateproject.org) and www.freekeene.com for information about the migration movement thats going on where people are moving to New Hampshire for the purpose of achieving liberty and freedom. We'd like to get rid of government schools, taxes, social security, license plates, vehicular registration, drivers licenses, and basically any law that criminalizes people for non-violent acts (like not paying taxes, public intoxication, copy"right" law, and similar). People aren't against charity- but it should be up to the individual to contribute and those who wish not or can't afford to pay should not have violence used on them (ie the act of law enforcement when you don't comply with the law).

    16. Re:Can you hear me now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When your little Baofeng 1/2 Watt portable can't hit the repeater ..."

      Pay a little attention to that bit about Baofeng, my good fellow...
      There are more Hams now than ever now in the US, and most of the recent ones are solely on VHF. It's cheap, and with no Code requirements any longer, easy.
      Repeaters are a key draw here, something that the old CB'ers never had. They have them now.

      No, I'm not a grizzled old Elmer bemoaning the "Olden Days". VHF and Repeaters are just dandy, and when considering Disaster Preparedness, essential now. But they are still limited in range, even when Repeaters are linked.
      Both my house and my boat fully cover everything between 160M and 70cm, (The "Nav Station" Chart Table on my sailboat is so jammed with gear, that laying out a chart is... difficult...), and well, I really shouldn't mention this... my gear has been "Opened Up" to cover Marine and other Service Bands. But _strictly_ for Emergency use. (I got my Ham license at 13, and my Second Class Radiotelephone at 14, one which I have not kept up, since the Class was abolished... but just because the license was abolished, that doesn't mean I haven't kept up with what such a license entails.)

      The thing about Emergency Preparedness is the difference between those two little words "If" and "When". _When_ the Hayward Fault goes, my House is probably and even literally toast; if not the Earthquake, then the subsequent Fires, and I'm Prepared for all that. My boat is fully stocked with anything and everything that I should need for a month, including Fuel and Medical Supplies, and I keep up my EMT Certification.
      And thus a burden lifted... and I can concern myself with lesser issues. (My current "Legal" Wifi Record is 22 miles; it involved a passive reflector on top of a nearby mountain and a couple of passive parabolic dishes.)

      OK, enough of that... a little bit of history that all movies and even Wikipedia gets wrong:
      During the era of the Titanic, there were two kinds of "Morse" codes in use, American and International, and they differed enough that the initial Official "CQD" was abandoned by both in favor of the much simpler ... --- ....
      In International Morse, this was SOS, or commonly "Save Our Souls", but in American Morse, this was "S5S", or jokingly "Save Five Seconds". American Morse didn't use as many dashes, and could actually be transmitted quicker. An "O" in American Morse was a single dash, thus SOS = ... - ...

      I learned all this for my Boy Scout "Signaling" Merit badge; I also learned Semaphore, which always looks damn foolish, especially when wearing Boy Scout shorts.

    17. Re:Can you hear me now? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      The FCC, should it take notice, will put a stop to an unlicensed operator. However, if you don't tick off the local hams, the chances of getting the notice of the FCC is slim.. Well, it was UNTIL you posted here. Radio pirates are generally not well received by the FCC.....

      Let me warn you, when the FCC comes calling, they can fine you upwards to $5,000 per instance per day of illegal operation. This can really add up. So if this little story is really true, don't mistake the lack of action thus far with the idea the FCC doesn't care. The enforcement branch is a bit undermanned these days, but they still exist and are active.

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    18. Re:Can you hear me now? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can the see the lines queuing up to pass traffic via ham radio. Business calls, tech support requests, assignations with the mistress, etc.

      Oh, wait, it's just gas station lines. nvm.

      "I'm sorry young lady, but there's no way for me to broadcast a picture of what you're eating right now' "Can you broadcast a description, then?"

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    19. Re:Can you hear me now? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The FCC, should it take notice, will put a stop to an unlicensed operator. However, if you don't tick off the local hams, the chances of getting the notice of the FCC is slim.. Well, it was UNTIL you posted here. Radio pirates are generally not well received by the FCC.....

      Let me warn you, when the FCC comes calling, they can fine you upwards to $5,000 per instance per day of illegal operation. This can really add up. So if this little story is really true, don't mistake the lack of action thus far with the idea the FCC doesn't care. The enforcement branch is a bit undermanned these days, but they still exist and are active.

      i still have the license we were originally required to have, to operate a CB radio in a vehicle.....

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  5. all major providers.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cellular, cable, voip.. can all be nixed by a single point of failure.. but not POTS. long love good old fasioned landline phone service.

    1. Re:all major providers.. by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Once you get to an L3 switch, it doesn't matter if it's a POTS line or not, it's just a phone call.. Heck, when you hop off the MSC on a cell, it's just a phone call... The only possible advantage a POTS line might have in this situation is you don't have all the HLR/VLR signaling when you are roaming outside of your home MSC, so you might actually get a dial tone and be able to make local to the exchange calls...

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    2. Re:all major providers.. by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The US POTS network was also a robust way to contact a lot of vital and important people.
      If a second shift or experts where needed on site due to an event, often a second POTS service would be installed and kept in good working condition.
      No need to worry about a new phone been "on" or "off", local power. Unless the phone line did not work, that phone was expected to ring under most conditions.
      In theory the back end to such a POTS into the wider network would have been well looked after and robust in most states.
      The change to optical, cell towers with battery only power lasting hours, a lack of gas or other looked after on site power to take over.
      Crews finding they have to totally rebuild, repair or replace network power during a longer loss of power rather than just to ensure backup power keeps working.
      The other issues is the network design. Lots of long shared "pipe" as the network, with no other ready networks to change to. One always working pipe is the network from telco, network to telco to user. Redundancy is now reduced to a crew an hour or further away in the "state" on standby to fix the one and only big connection.

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    3. Re:all major providers.. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      Absolutely THIS, plus layoffs. I started a discussion about the end of POTS in 2013, some interesting stuff about cell vulnerability in there.

      And missed opportunity to hire experienced people beyond the confines of their profile. Frankly I'd rather be doing telecom than manual labor. I'd even settle for doing telecom for really low wages. But I'm 52 years and while I have a couple decades of network and telecom experience -- none of it is from the last 16 years (gasp!). The corporate HR people hide now behind SAS cloud architecture and don't deal directly with humans anymore. Their process and criteria is heavily jargon based and peppered with psych evals that favor young liars.

      One day I within five minutes I received ~70 'so sorry' rejection emails from a company, one for each position I had applied for going back two years. "Hey, your queue shouldn't look like that. Here, let me fix it."

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    4. Re:all major providers.. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thanks very much for your link.
      I think the main idea was to remove all on site union staff and replace them with networks to report back an error to a gov mandated min count of engineers to cover any 'state".
      Crews of contractors could then be dispatched to repair as needed and could be hired or replaced as workloads changed over the years.
      Long term network care of all networks was now just fix on failure.
      The idea sounds great to upper management but the networks are not robust enough for the "engineers" to just change over to another ready network in real time while the crews works for hours or days. Savings go to generational shareholders, stock buyback or big bonuses unrelated to network performance.
      The other issue is the loss of battery power due to it never working or just running out a few hours later. The lack of gas and other longer term power per site then fails due lack of service, or falls apart needing another crew hours away to fix it.
      Wireless devices rather than fix wireline beyond an outside tree or an above ground break will be policy soon.
      No more truck rolls up the copper network for a fault unless its a medical device that depend on a wired phone connection.

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  6. vitelity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got us too. Provider was vitelity. Failover to cell didn't even work. Looks like I need to have a failover trunk provider.

    1. Re: vitelity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Edit: A west coast trunk provider

  7. Finland to.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strange. Bug part of Finnish Sonera was ofline today to.. so eone having fun with them id guess.

  8. It hit us, in MD by FirstNoel · · Score: 1

    any external calls weren't coming in. sound like they're starting to get it moving again.

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    1. Re:It hit us, in MD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main problem was resolved by noon, but the results ripple throughout the networks and probably won't totally go away for awhile.

      The outage was centered in the Philadelphia/NYC region.

  9. Ham Radio by gnu-sucks · · Score: 1

    Meh, (analog) ham radio is still working fine...

  10. Time for a Ham Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and what would we all do if they did this during war.. all i got is a CB in the basement in a box .. need to get me a ham

    1. Re:Time for a Ham Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start with a $25 Boafeng HT and $15 NA-771 improved antenna. For your vehicles, use the same model radio with a $44 Diamond MR77 mag-mount antenna (and $6 SMA Female to UHF SO-239 pigtail converter) and a $10 cigarette lighter adapter - not bad for under $100/vehicle.

      Get your Tech license at a hamcram+test in 8 hours on a Saturday. Get help from a local clubs to get those radios programmed with the local repeaters (CHIRP has some download/import help). Depending on if your local PD/Fire have converted to P25 (digital) or not, you can also use it as a scanner as well if they are still analog. Find out how your local ARES/RACES/SATERN/RedCross type groups function, and if they have open nets that allow visitor check-ins, check in once per quarter to make sure you gear is still working.

  11. Just a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    brought to you by your favorite 3-letter govt agency.

    1. Re:Just a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EPA? How'd they pull it off?

    2. Re:Just a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's your favorite? ^Found the tree hugger^

  12. Bad SS7 code by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

    At least it wasn't a missing semicolon at the end of a line of source code in the SS7 Signal Transfer Point. That was all it took about 25 years ago.

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  13. systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    testing systemd in the wild?

  14. W9ABC this is K6XYZ by argee · · Score: 5, Funny

    W9ABC this is K6XYZ, over ....
    (no answer)
    W9ABC this is K6XYZ, over
    no answer
    Dial up on cell.
    "Hey, Harry, turn on your damned radio!"
    "OK"
    W9ABC, this is K6XYZ, over
    K6XYZ this is W6ABC, I hear you 5 by 5 now!

    Lesson: This is a fine example of communications redundancy ... errrr ...

    1. Re:W9ABC this is K6XYZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty close to real life many times. When I head home, I text my wife and tell her to turn on the radio. We chat for a bit during my drive home. Push-to-talk (PTT) use of a radio is allowed while hands-on cell phone is not.

      If any emergency did happen, all our cars and home have radios and we have a half dozen HTs, and each one of us would know to turn them on and monitor.

      But how do you know that the cell network is down/not operating if you're not making a call?

    2. Re:W9ABC this is K6XYZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      W9ABC this is K6XYZ, over .... (no answer) W9ABC this is K6XYZ, over no answer Dial up on cell. "Hey, Harry, turn on your damned radio!" "OK" W9ABC, this is K6XYZ, over K6XYZ this is W6ABC, I hear you 5 by 5 now!

      Lesson: This is a fine example of communications redundancy ... errrr ...

      In the late 80s, my boss actually got a phone call telling him that the caller had sent him an email telling him that the caller had sent him a fax.

  15. Not to worry, just NSA updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have to install the new spy software to spy on American citizens in America, now that their Yahoo email redirect has been daylighted.

    The systems will be spying on you via phone lines soon.

  16. Closer to true than you might think by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Al Gore actually said was "I took the initiative in creating the internet". In context his statement is true. No, he did not invent the internet. But he was the first politician to recognize that interconnecting computers could have benefits far beyond improvements in science. He realized that the network should opened up to everyone. As far back as the 1970's Gore was involved in legislation involving technology and he worked tirelessly to educate other politicians about technology. He wrote bills that funded research in robotics, magnetic leviation, biotech, image recognition, speech recognition just to name a few. He wrote the bill that funded Mosaic and also wrote the bill that essentially privatized the Internet.

    If you want to know more about how Gore "invented the internet" take the initiative and find a book. It's a fascinating story.

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    1. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So in other words, Al Gore funded the internet.

      With other people's money.

    2. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So in other words, Al Gore funded the internet.

      That isn't in "other words", that is precisely what he claimed to have done.

      And it is still true. Before Gore passed legislation to allow private telecoms in the mix, the name Internet wasn't used until after his funding to publicize the Arpanet.

      On the Arpanet, an ISP wasn't something you could call up and get connected with as a normal pleb.
      You could only get access from a university and then only as a student there in some class that needed it, although access wasn't always revoked after said class, but generally was upon graduation depending on the university.

      Inventing the Internet doesn't mean he also invented each (or any) piece of underlying technology, no more than when Vint Cerf and Bob Kanh invented TCP doesn't mean they invented phone lines that TCP operated over.

    3. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing wrong with advocating an idea with the government. That is what free speech is about. And if you are part of the government, no one expects you to invest your own money to implement your ideas. That is why governments have budgets, you know.

    4. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's so smart!

    5. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      You could only get access from a university and then only as a student there in some class that needed it,

      Or you knew someone with the right number to call. Some universities used department level login credentials that would get you all the Archie, Gopher, or WAIS you wanted.

      Finding things was a lot like exploring a new HDD you found in the closet with no *real* search functions. Finding neat and interesting stuff could be a real challenge sometimes.

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    6. Re:Closer to true than you might think by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      I was on the Internet in 1986 and watched Al Gore invent it from within.

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    7. Re:Closer to true than you might think by chipschap · · Score: 0

      Did he also invent global warming?

    8. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! your kidding right. Al Gore is a politician that jumped on a bandwagon like politicians do and tried to claim a role in something he had nothing to do with.

      What is far more fascinating about Al Gore is his father Al Gore Sr. who was a well known member of the KKK down here. His son was raised around some of the most violent racists this country has ever known.

      Its also just one example of the fake "southern strategy" the democrats concocted to make people think the KKK left the Democratic Party. They all remained Democrats and most of the KKK offspring still are today.

    9. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the ring leaders.

    10. Re:Closer to true than you might think by stinerman · · Score: 1

      According to Futurama, he invented the environment.

    11. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still bitching about this? WTF is wrong with you?

    12. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, and if he hadn't you wouldn't have anywhere to bitch about how horrible government is.

    13. Re: Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that finding projects to spend money on is the purpose of government.

    14. Re:Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "...the name Internet wasn't used until after his funding to publicize the Arpanet."
      "On the Arpanet, an ISP wasn't something you could call up and get connected with as a normal pleb."
      Um, you won't win any bets with that... knowledge.

      "The Internet", capitalized, existed at least since the late seventies; the Arpanet was _one_ of the networks within it. CompuServe was another network that normal plebs could actually dial into, and connect up. (Just Email initially; then UUCP.) Those overseas had their own networks. It is a common Myth that the US "invented" the Internet, (Especially within the US...); yes, the US Government did fund and promote _parts_ of the Internet, but they weren't the only country to do so, (The Nordic NORSAR is significant here.) Certain private companies such as Apple, (apple.com, 1986), Xerox PARC, and AT&T, were also influential, as well as some privately funded Universities. And then there is the entirely separate MILNET...

      The Maps here are fascinating:
      http://www.computerhistory.org/internethistory/1970s/
      http://www.computerhistory.org/internethistory/1980s/

      The "Gore Bill" of _1991_ was a significant move forward in bringing US Public attention to the Internet, and I think that Gore is a pretty cool guy for pushing it.
      But neither Gore, nor the US Government, invented either the Internet, or the name.
      (In 1979, with money provided by BBN/Telenet, I was part of a group hooking up our CDCs, MODCOMPs, DECs, etc. all together over regular Telephone lines, then into a dedicated T1 line to Stanford, and then on to Internet. I had a Silent 700 at home... because it was Cool.)

    15. Re: Closer to true than you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than most politicians who mostly seem to fund their own pockets, with other peoples money.

    16. Re:Closer to true than you might think by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      So in other words, Al Gore funded the internet.

      With other people's money.

      beats the hell out of funding an invasion of iraq with other people's money.

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    17. Re: Closer to true than you might think by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I don't think that finding projects to spend money on is the purpose of government.

      " promotion of the general welfare of the citizens " that ring a bell at all?

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    18. Re:Closer to true than you might think by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Ha! your kidding right. Al Gore is a politician that jumped on a bandwagon like politicians do and tried to claim a role in something he had nothing to do with.

      What is far more fascinating about Al Gore is his father Al Gore Sr. who was a well known member of the KKK down here. His son was raised around some of the most violent racists this country has ever known.

      Its also just one example of the fake "southern strategy" the democrats concocted to make people think the KKK left the Democratic Party. They all remained Democrats and most of the KKK offspring still are today.

      sure, that's why david duke is such a trump supporter.

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    19. Re:Closer to true than you might think by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      So in other words, $POLITICIAN$ funded $PROJECT$.
      With other people's money.

      Errr, isn't that precisely what politicians in a representative system are meant to do?

      You personally may not like it - in which case you're free to leave. If anywhere else would accept you and people like you (not very likely).

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  17. One day after DDoS source code release. by nuckfuts · · Score: 2

    Hmmm. Major Internet outage reported the day after source code for enormous DDoS attacks is released.

  18. Someone is gathering data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which systems rely on mobile networks, how long does it take for them to react, what effect does an outage have on traffic patterns, etc?

  19. Issues All the way in CO by pdfsmail · · Score: 1

    We were impacted by this at my Denver, CO office... a long way from the east coast.
    At least I had something to blame the outage on this time :)

    1. Re:Issues All the way in CO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Montana too. One of our business Charter phone lines was down for 4 hours. Internet came back up right away. Verizon has been fine all day.

      I see Charter was down in Washington as well. This was a national outage. Kind of scary.

  20. Just VoIP, or TDM too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we know if the impacted voice was mostly or entirely VoIP, or at least routed to an IP switch (Metaswitch, Broadsoft)?

    Were pure TDM switches (5ESS, DMS) affected?

  21. I hope you're not completely unaware of the irony by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    of receiving emails from people telling you that they can't communicate with you.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
  22. Re:I hope you're not completely unaware of the iro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where's the irony? email is queued until it can be delivered (or times out).

  23. Can you hear me now? by niftymitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK networking is designed to be routable and redundant.
    Now if all traffic must pass through a fort that used to have no signs
    or a bit of Utah so hot and far from anyplace that only Octopussy could
    think of ...

    In all fairness for phones to go down because an Internet backbone failed
    tells me that all our phone company laws need revision at all levels.
    At one time a POT had obligations of reliability and redundancy that
    seem to have flipped to a binary work or is broken.

    I recall mothers day calls where you got all signals busy because of
    the surge. At least the management was not Uber imposing hidden
    surge pricing.

    This is an opportunity for good questions at the VP thing tonight.

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  24. Re:I hope you're not completely unaware of the iro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yesterday it was: Hey helpdesk guy. I can't log in to the ticketing system due to SAML failure. What's up?

    Oh yeah, known issue. The details are in #SBQ2342355.

    Me = headdesk.

  25. What he did was legalize Spam. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So in other words, Al Gore funded the internet.

    As I understand it, what he did was sponsor legislation to open the Internet / ARPANet, to general use, including commercial use, removing the limitations on who could connect and what they could say. Prior to that the connections and traffic had to have some connection to education, the military, or dealings with them.

    So on one hand he helped give the general Internet a great boost, enabling it to become the public utility we know, love, and use.

    But on the other hand he effectively legalized Spam, because going from very limited business uses to any business use is OK took away the main tool for suppressing unsolicited commercial email and network newsgroup postings.

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  26. Isn't it great how blame can be forwarded... by ffkom · · Score: 2

    ... these days to some company else? Gone are the days when any kind of service was provided by just one company, who was then undoubtly responsible for however good or bad a service was. Today, there is an endless chain of suppliers, sub-contractors, infrastructure providers, whom to assign blame to, so ultimately no one feels responsible, everybody has an excuse, and whatever SLA exists, it's not worth the paper it's written on.

    1. Re:Isn't it great how blame can be forwarded... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're exactly right. I've always said that the cloud is more a political, blame-shifting thing than a computer/service thing.

      "It's not my fault, see? I've got the TOS right here on this thin piece of paper. Show it to all of the complaining customers, I'm sure that'll pacify them."

  27. wr mem or copy running-config startup-config by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does it every time LOL

  28. Single point-of-failure: found... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Unless it becomes criminal to be so negligent, nothing will change.

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  29. problem started earlier than 11am EDT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was having issues at 10:35am EDT

  30. This was only a test.. by interstellarsurfer · · Score: 1

    The NSA is just live-testing to make sure they can turn the internet off and on again at will - in case Snowden has more to say, or Assange spills the beans!