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You Can Now Claim Your Cash In the PS3 'Other PS3' Settlement (arstechnica.com)

If you've purchased a "fat" PlayStation 3 before April of 2010, you can now claim up to $55 as part of the settlement over the removal of the console's "Other OS" feature. PS3 owners with proof of purchase or evidence of a PSN sign-in from the system can receive $9 from the company. However, if you've used the "Other OS" feature to install Linux on your PS3, you can receive $55. The online claim form can be found here. Ars Technica reports: The opening of claims after a long legal saga that began in March of 2010, when Sony announced it would be removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3. Sony claimed it was a security concern, but many class-action lawsuits filed in 2010 alleged the company was more worried about software piracy. While one lawsuit over the matter was dismissed by a judge in 2011, another worked its way through the courts until June, when Sony finally decided to settle. Though the company doesn't admit any wrongdoing, it puts itself on the hook for payments to up to 10 million PS3 owners. Note to those affected: "Claims are due by December 7, and payments should be sent out early next year pending final approval of the settlement."

85 comments

  1. Mistake in the mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I mean in the title?

    1. Re:Mistake in the mistake by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      I think you meant "Mistake in the other PS3"

  2. "Proof" required for the full payment by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Proof that You Used The Other OS Functionality.
    The following are acceptable forms of proof of use:

    • proof that you purchased a version of Linux that was compatible with and was installed on your Fat PS3 before April 1, 2010;
    • proof that you downloaded a version of Linux that was compatible with and was installed on your Fat PS3 before April 1, 2010;
    • a screenshot (or picture) showing Linux operating on your Fat PS3;
    • a screenshot (or picture) showing that a portion of your PS3 hard drive is still formatted for the Other OS with Linux installed;
    • proof of communication between you and SCEA or a third party dated before December 31, 2010 that discusses your use of the Other OS or concerns with Update 3.21 due to your use, including but not limited to, copies of an email from or message board posting by you containing such discussion; or
    • any other documentary proof that you used the Other OS before April 1, 2010 that the Settlement Administrator reasonably determines to be valid.

    What about writing out a valid tar command?

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    1. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      How do you "PURCHASE" a free OS?

    2. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Do my slashdot posts count?

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    3. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see why any of this matters. If I purchased a PS3 before the announcement with the intention of putting a different OS on it, but had not actually done so by the time the update was sent out, I should still be eligible.

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    4. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      I don't see why any of this matters. If I purchased a PS3 before the announcement with the intention of putting a different OS on it, but had not actually done so by the time the update was sent out, I should still be eligible.

      How do you prove "intention"? Anyone who purchased a PS3 before the announcement could claim they had intention of installing a different OS and there would little chance of disproving it. Following through with an intention is much easier to prove / disprove.

    5. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same way Sony usually proves that you had the intention to distribute their copyrighted material: By claim.

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    6. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Not all linux distributions are free?

    7. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by slinches · · Score: 1

      If they are from before 12/31/2010, then yes.

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    8. Re: "Proof" required for the full payment by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      It shouldn't matter anyway. If I buy a car with a DVD player that I had no intention to use, and then during routine maintenance at my dealership they remove the DVD player, that is wrong.

      Perhaps I realized its usefulness after having kids. Or not. Doesn't matter, it was unmistakably part of the purchase.

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    9. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

      So unless you happen to have a picture of your drive formatting or a picture including both your TV and PS3 (And also somehow proving you don't have a desktop hooked up back there), you don't get jack shit.

      So, a handful of people will be getting $55. Great job guys.

    10. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      So, I'm one of the "OtherOS" users who was directly impacted by this - forced to dump OtherOS because I had an active PSN account that required me to update to continue using it - basically choose OtherOS or games, couldn't have both anymore.

      This was what, like seven years ago? That PS3 YLOD'ed in 2010, was in the recycling bin after a couple of repair attempts. Does anybody keep paperwork like this? I know Sony has records, if they care to look at them, my CC# was active on PSN at the time and I'd be absolutely shocked if they didn't have some indication in their records of my OtherOS usage. We have a newer PS3 that still uses that same account, and it still has records of the games we purchased back then.

      Kudos to the lawyers for "winning" this case so quickly, I'm sure they'll be getting paid. I wonder what percentage of affected class members will ever see anything out of this?

    11. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      What they won by winning the argument was payment of their legal fees. This was never about getting anything for the class members, only proving the point and making Sony pay for their time spent doing so.

    12. Re: "Proof" required for the full payment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have Sony's legal and financial might at your disposal?

    13. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Don't you know about the "Enterprise" versions of Linux with corporate support like RHEL?

      IIRC you could pay Terrasoft for YDL and get RHEL style support from them dependong on how much you paid.

    14. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      So, I'm one of the "OtherOS" users who was directly impacted by this - forced to dump OtherOS because I had an active PSN account that required me to update to continue using it - basically choose OtherOS or games, couldn't have both anymore.

      I thought about using a two PS3 solution, getting a new slim PS3 for games and keeping OtherOS on the FAT model, but decided to go another way and go X86 for Linux and update the PS3.

      Sadly, for those that don't know, OtherOS partition methods weren't optimal, either you had 10GB for games, and the rest for OtherOS which would basically cripple the PS3 for gaming because of teh HUGE for the time cache files some games install (I had an 80GB CECHE and seriously started thinking about an HD upgrade after a year), or else you have 10GB for OtherOS which SRSLY limits OtherOS (You had to be rather frugal with yum and certain compiles were impossible because you wouldn't have enough swap space with the default Linux partitioning of that 10GB....unless you manually added more to swap which reduced the space / and /home even MORE.

      I'd be absolutely shocked if they didn't have some indication in their records of my OtherOS usage.

      AFAIK, PS3's booting into OtherOS don't contact the PSN servers.

    15. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >How do you prove "intention"? Anyone who purchased a PS3 before the announcement could claim they had intention of installing a different OS and there would little chance of disproving it. Following through with an intention is much easier to prove / disprove.

      If you have a Slashdot post from 2010, then you can demostrate intent, and they allow it.

      I found various posts bitching about Sony, but none demonstrating intent, so I only filed for the $9.

    16. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What is the standard of proof? Usually in civil cases it's the "balance of probabilities", so if you simply say you downloaded it, mentioning what version and where from, burned it to a DVD a and installed it. that should be enough proof. It would be up to Sony to refute your claims.

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    17. Re: "Proof" required for the full payment by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Damn, I knew there was something important I was forgetting.

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    18. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I'd agree, OtherOS wouldn't contact PSN - but, you don't think they're monitoring the HDD partitioning or other "indications of potential piracy activity" while the PSN is in contact? The whole OtherOS kibosh was put on in reaction to some unauthorized accessing of hardware, IIRC.

    19. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      How do you prove "intention"?

      You shouldn't have to. Sony should have to prove that you didn't (or really, "intent" should simply be irrelevant).

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    20. Re:"Proof" required for the full payment by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      The hypervisor IS monitoring things, but I'm not sure it's sending anything to Sony, because I'm not sure Sony knew about GeoHot's tricks before he bragged about them online.

  3. That is poor compensation by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    If you bought it for some $500 to run Linux on it, all of a sudden you had something that was useless to you. So $55 is about 1/10 of the value to you. You presumably also put in some hard work to configure it, etc, all that work wasted -- but no compensation for that.

    It is all too late now, but Sony should have been forced to reverse the change back in 2010 ... if you bought it according to a published specification, Sony should not be allowed to retroactively change it.

    1. Re:That is poor compensation by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Well.... at least the poor lawyers got paid... thank goodness

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    2. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      something something pray I don't alter it any further

    3. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bought it for $500 to only run Linux on it you're an idiot. A $200 PC can be bought that will be better.

    4. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of this because they didn't want people to reverse engineer the damn thing. It didn't even stop piracy or PS3 emulation.

    5. Re: That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux and hard work configuring are a given. I mean, anyone who thought it would be easy needs to turn in their geek card at your local Apple Store.

    6. Re:That is poor compensation by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      does a 200$ computer have a cell processor???

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    7. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is my scenario (bought to put Linux on it, games secondly). And no, years and several moves later I have no earthly idea where my receipt is.

      Well played Sony.

    8. Re:That is poor compensation by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

      If you bought it for $500 to only run Linux on it you're an idiot. A $200 PC can be bought that will be better.

      This was 6 years ago ... you could not have got one for $200 then.

    9. Re:That is poor compensation by mysidia · · Score: 1

      If you bought it for some $500 to run Linux on it, all of a sudden you had something that was useless to you. So $55 is about 1/10 of the value to you.

      You're free to reject the class settlement, and then sue them in court (Alone). If it became useless to you, therefore you had to scrap or sell it on eBay and purchased the next best option that would provide as-close-as possible equivalent, then you should be entitled to the cost of the replacement you purchased Minus salvaged value of the PS3 you had to replace.

    10. Re: That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you paid $500 for a ps3 only to run Linux on it...
      Then you were an idiot.

      If I remember properly you couldn't access the gpu at all and it was difficult to do anything actually interesting with the cell.

    11. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was 10 years ago, and yeah: You couldn't. Not new, anyway.

    12. Re:That is poor compensation by purplepolecat · · Score: 1

      If you bought it to run Linux, you could have just refused the update that removed OtherOS. It was clearly marked as the OtherOS-killer, and you needed to tick a box clearly stating that you understood this before it would apply. The only consequence of not updating was that you couldn't access PSN, but as a Linux user that's no use to you. I had a fat PS3, and I remember this.

      The idea that Sony removed the OtherOS behind customers' backs, like Microsoft stealthily downloading Win10, has been repeated here so often that no-one questions it any more.

    13. Re: That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $200 computer in 2010 = crap like a netbook

    14. Re:That is poor compensation by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's why a PS4 will never see the inside of my house.

    15. Re:That is poor compensation by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      We had a "Nettop" that ran alongside our PS3, it might have cost $299, and it was definitely a better PC than the PS3. However, being able to boot the PS3 into Linux was pretty cool, it ran a cron job that downloaded live webcam photos from beaches and threw them up as wallpaper on the new 42" flatscreen in the living room. Other than that, it was a mostly frustrating PC experience.

      However, if it weren't for the Nettop - having that lame PC in the living room was good for things like weather info, RSS feeds, etc. The Nettop did it better, but that's another $300 spend that maybe you didn't have the money (or space) for.

    16. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one bought the PS3 to run Linux and play games. It was very poor as a Linux workstation/desktop because the RSX was locked away by the hypervisor. As a general computing device it was pure garbage. Anyone using it for research or business for cell specific mathematics would never need to update the game OS, and still has access to the cell CPUs via Linux today. Get that? No update, no removal of dual boot, durr.

      So how about your stop your lies and FUD because you have an anti-boner for a particular brand. Look at you /. ID for fscks sake. You are not a child - stop acting like one!

    17. Re:That is poor compensation by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      We had a "Nettop" that ran alongside our PS3, it might have cost $299, and it was definitely a better PC than the PS3. ......Other than that, it was a mostly frustrating PC experience.

      Well it partly depended on what Linux version you used, which desktop, which applications, etc etc. If one had some Linux experience one could tweak it to perform better.

      The big limitation was RAM. Sure the PS3's 256MB was better than the 32MB Linux on the PS2 had (yes, I also had the Linux kit), but it only went so far. VRAM swap helped though, I think that came with YDL 6.1? I don't know if say Fedora or Ubuntu on the PS3 supported that.

      On the default YDL, the default desktop was an E17 version, which performed like crap for some reason. Even Gnome 2 performed better! Most YDL "power users" switched to something like xfce or fluxbox or something. I was used to that sort of thing on the PS2 so adapted better to YDL than some of the newbies whose first Linux experience was YDL.

    18. Re:That is poor compensation by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      It was clearly marked as the OtherOS-killer, and you needed to tick a box clearly stating that you understood this before it would apply.

      That's right, and made you confirm the decision to update and remove OtherOS TWICE, just to be sure that was really what you wanted to do.

    19. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bought it for some $500 to run Linux on it, all of a sudden you had something that was useless to you.

      Usually, if you fail to deliver as per agreement, you don't get away with a refund, you need to pay the difference between the product you failed to deliver and a suitable replacement.

      So, if I bought a PS3 to learn CELL development, Sony should have to pay the difference to get a suitable replacement, i.e. an IBM Power machine.

    20. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had a "Nettop" that ran alongside our PS3, it might have cost $299, and it was definitely a better PC than the PS3.

      Sure. And the PS3 was a better Power/Cell system than the Nettop was.

    21. Re:That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had two reasons to buy a PS3: OtherOS and Gran Turismo 5.

      None of them were worth the price of a PS3 by themselves.

      Which option should I have chosen?

    22. Re: That is poor compensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steal one?

  4. I'd still like to claim those lost emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What crimes are you hiding Hillary!!!! Tell us!!!!!

  5. Class Action Suits by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Class action lawsuits are for punishing the company. The lawyers take most.

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    1. Re:Class Action Suits by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Class action lawsuits are for punishing the company. The lawyers take most.

      Class actions are for doing things as a group where individually, a lawsuit doesn't make sense. Let's say total compensation paid out would've been $200 per person. Are you willing to go to court, spend a day of your time there to get back that $200? Yes, it's small claims, but there are still filing fees (around $40) and your time and effort (and you have to take a day off too). Meanwhile, Sony won't defend themselves and basically waits for the court ordered default judgement. You get your $200 after spending a vacation day, filing fees, parking, etc., while Sony did jack squat and printed the cheque when the verdict came down.

      Now imagine how many people would actually do that and you'll find the company effectively gets away with it as $200 is not worth it to spend the whole day in court.

      Class actions are thus to punish and to group a bunch of similar court cases together so it becomes far more worthwhile to pursue than individually.

    2. Re:Class Action Suits by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sadly you are correct. A lot of the BIG ROUND NUMBER settlements come out to rounding error per plaintiff, and 20-50% going to the lawyers. Somehow there need to be ethics and rules to assure that the actual damage is roughly remedied and in a timely fashion. There is too far of a gap between what a law firm can readily settle for quickly to maximize their profit per hour of effort, and what will actually make things right for their clients.

      Years back near my old neighborhood there was a train wreck, leading to a damaged high pressure gasoline line, leading to a massive fireball that killed folks and burnt out many houses. The ensuing lawsuit was fought tooth and nail, drawn out, and eventually the plaintiff's lawyer ran into money issues. So he settled for an amount that went entirely to "legal fees" and he skipped town. Many residents were left with nothing. There are countless examples across this range where justice is excruciatingly slow, with unjust results at the end. It becomes punitive to hold out hope for a remedy. There are a couple suits we didn't even know about that sent us $20 checks, and others we lost track of and stopped updating our address with because any settlement would be worth less than the time needed to possibly get something at the back end.

    3. Re:Class Action Suits by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Ah, the San Bernardino train wreck. Dissapointing that it ended up with barely anything going to those affected; the pipeline rupture was straight up incompetence on so many levels.

  6. PROOF? Sony has the goddamned LOGIN TIMES. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROOF? Sony has the goddamned LOGIN TIMES.

    They KNOW ALREADY.

    1. Re:PROOF? Sony has the goddamned LOGIN TIMES. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they don't know where WealthyBigPenis2009 lives now, or even whether WealthyBigPenis2009 actually purchased the box themselves.

  7. will they pay out the us air force or limit them t by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    will they pay out the us air force or limit them to only 1 claim?

  8. Typical Class Action by cephalien · · Score: 1

    So I bought one, EIGHT years ago. I no longer have it. In order to prove that I'm even eligible for the mostly-pointless $9 payment, I have to have my PS3 serial number. For the higher payment, I have to have incredibly unreasonable proof that I used OtherOS functionality.

    Insane, but not unexpected. That's the way the legal system works. The lawyers will get almost all the cash, and we'll still have given Sony full price for a then-crippled console.

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    1. Re:Typical Class Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it's not a big deal. You just have to go to the dump and find the launch ps3 you trashed 5 years ago, then... uhm.. fake a screenshot?

    2. Re:Typical Class Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought one too. Not the fat version but the newer slim version. But the reason I went for PS3 (not Xbox) is because I knew it could run Linux. I never actually ran it but I knew I could if I wanted.

      I didn't even buy any games. I bought it purely for Bluray functionality (and Linux factor). They should refund me entire purchase because they removed the functionality.

      Well, in all fairness, I'm not stupid, I didn't upgrade to their crippled firmware. I have it fully pwned with Rebug firmware.

    3. Re:Typical Class Action by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      I have to have my PS3 serial number.

      Unless it is still registered to PSN. IIRC you can find out the serial number there.

      For the higher payment, I have to have incredibly unreasonable proof that I used OtherOS functionality.

      I could have that proof within minutes.


      [CronoCloud@wutai ~]$ cat ps3_info.txt
      [CronoCloud@mideel ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
      Yellow Dog Linux release 6.0 (Pyxis)

      [CronoCloud@mideel ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
      processor : 0
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)

      processor : 1
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)

      timebase : 79800000
      platform : PS3

      or:


      From: "*********"
      To: yellowdog-general@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
      Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Alternative Window Managers
      Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:43:09 -0500
      Reply-To: Discussion List for General Yellow Dog Linux User Topics
       
      Sender: yellowdog-general-bounces@lists.terrasoftsolutions.com
      X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.10.4; powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu)

      Note that X-Mailer line

      or


      **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 21:10:15 2008

      Jul 11 21:10:16 --> You are now talking on #yellowdog
      Jul 11 21:10:16 --- Topic for #yellowdog is Terra Soft Wants You! http://www/ .terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/story-submit.shtml || We're hiring, talk to Owe
      n for more info.
      Jul 11 21:10:16 --- Topic for #yellowdog set by owen-z60t at Fri May 18 00:4
      2:18 2007
      Jul 11 21:12:21 >CronoCloudCronoCloudCronoCloud Hi, does anyone know of an xchat sysinfo script that works well with YDL on the PS3? I've been googling but haven't had much sucess.

      Note that CTCP version shows me using Xchat, via YDL6.1, on a PPC64, that runs at 3.19 GHz....which is most certainly not a Mac, since G5s only went up to 2.7 GHz. And it is highly doubtful that someone is going to have a IBM pSeries in their home, which means that machine is a PS3....which of course it was as I stated in the chat. I eventually did find a sysinfo script that worked to a certain extent


      **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 21:25:19 2008

      Jul 11 21:25:19 --> You are now talking on #cronocloud_test
      Jul 11 21:25:19 --- simmons.freenode.net sets mode +n #cronocloud_test
      Jul 11 21:25:19 --- simmons.freenode.net sets mode +s #cronocloud_test
      Jul 11 21:25:23 System Information for mideel: CPU: MHz, Cache RAM: 215 MB HDD: 58 GB OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.23-9.ydl6.1 Uptime: 21:25:23 up 5:30, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.08
      Jul 11 21:25:54 CPU: MHz, Cache
      Jul 11 21:28:34 Loading lord slapmonkey's sysinfo script (/sys, /net or /up)
      Jul 11 21:28:46 SysInfo: Linux 2.6.23-9.ydl6.1 | Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported (4 CPUs) | Mem: 98MB/216MB [||||------] | Diskspace: 20GB/62GB [|||-------] | Screen Res: 1280x768 | Procs: 111 | ppp0: In: 0.0MB Out: 0.0MB | Uptime: 5 hours 33 minutes | Users: 1 | Load: 0.19, 0.08, 0.08
      **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 21:30:13 2008

      or

      http://www.ydl.net/board/viewt...

      Oh look, there's a CronoCloud who is apparently a moderator at the YDL.net forum who posted a link to this story on Slashdot.

      For my sake, proving that I used OtherOS is VERY easy. I think I have screenshots too.

      Of course, there are a few config files on my current Fedora machine that date back to my PS2 Linux days.

    4. Re:Typical Class Action by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Umm Dude... Slims never had the ability to run Linux, only FAT versions could run Linux. In the US that means only the CECHA, CECHB and CECHE versions can run it.

      Sony expressly stated that the Slim would not support Linux before the Slim launched, so you obviously weren't paying attention.

  9. If you really want to punish Sony. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    Don't buy a PS4, or a PS5, or a PS6, etc.

    Our legal system is basically garbage. $9 wouldn't even pay for the lunch I ate today. Luckily, free societies/markets have an inherent justice system, whereby consumers can vote on the level of culpability of companies with their dollars.

    Sometimes it can be hard to stick to your principles in this way when a company comes out with something you think you really want, but luckily, it seems like consoles are basically dying, and there is not really anything you need a PS4 for.

    I actually bought a PS3 for it's blu-ray capability. I think I may have only bought about 4 games for my PS3 over it's entire life (most of which I didn't play more than a few hours). I play games on PC.

    1. Re:If you really want to punish Sony. by Pow · · Score: 1

      Very similar story here. I bought PS3 for Bluray functionality and Linux factor. Did I run Linux on it? No. But I knew I could if I wanted. Until they removed the functionality.
      I bought 0 games, because I didn't buy PS3 for gaming. I never logged into PSN.

      If you want car analogy it's like buying a pimped out 4x4 offroad SUV but never going offroad with it. Then company silently removes 4x4 capabilities but you can only get compensated for it if you used your vehicle offroad at least once... What the actual fuck?

    2. Re:If you really want to punish Sony. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sort of. I haven't bought ANYTHING with Sony's name on it since that event. I will admit my intention has wavered a few times, but every time it did they'd commit another atrocity, and it would be reinforced.

      Friends don't let friends buy Sony.

      Whenever the name "Sony" comes up, I make it a point to say something bad about them. Something which is both true and bad. Occasionally I'll also complement the company they once were.

      I never bought a PS/3. I was still considering it when they pulled that monumental act of treason against their customers.

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    3. Re:If you really want to punish Sony. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      If you bought a PS3 and no games, you have already punished Sony on the financial end. You're a rare case, they made plenty of money, but those who bought only the hardware were getting more than they paid for.

    4. Re:If you really want to punish Sony. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of that. Although I don't think that means that I am necessarily benefiting. The blu-ray laser on my PS3 has broken twice while out of warranty. So I've paid hundreds of dollars for a linux computer with a blu-ray player, lost it's ability to be a linux computer, and that I had to spend an additional $150, plus hours of my time to replace broken parts. I certainly don't think I got more than what I paid for. I think I paid way to much for what I ultimately ended up getting.

      I think this was a bad deal for all parties involved. It was bad for Sony and bad for me. It's not a zero sum game. If I could go back in time and tell myself not to buy that PS3, I think everyone would be better off.

    5. Re:If you really want to punish Sony. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't get me wrong, 2008-2010 were some very bad years for me and Sony - the only Sony thing we've bought since was somebody else's unloved PS3 just because we can combine its working disc player with our working controllers. Sony also sold me a high-end laptop (well, Intel bought it for me as part of a contest), but anyway... I ended up buying another laptop for 1/5th the price just so I could have something reliable while the Sony was off getting warranty repaired 3 times.

      The constant software updates, can't use my PS3 when I do turn it on because it needs to update for longer than I'm interested in waiting to play a game, the dick moves with OtherOS, the lack of game titles that do anything meaningful with the Eye, or other "advanced controller features" (sure, there are exceptions, but they seem like one-off excuses to sell hardware...) All in all, I'm just done with Sony.

  10. Not worth my time by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    What it would take to prove I accessed the PSN other than my Email address would take much more than the $9 refund; I blocked PSN - they had no reason to know when I was on-line.

    I'm also on my second PS3 (Backward comparable) system, it's just beating my head against a wall for pennies.

    1. Re:Not worth my time by purplepolecat · · Score: 1

      If you didn't use PSN, why did you apply the update that removed OtherOS?

    2. Re:Not worth my time by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      If you didn't use PSN, why did you apply the update that removed OtherOS?

      One couldn't access the the PS3, it was locked down (while PSN was blocked, it was always connected to the Internet). There was one person pleading to the rest of us that he could hack the update and all future updates maintaining the PS3's Linux ability, and he did just that yet 2 months after the update in question was required. He continued for a few updates but the few people who waited for him or in my case found it out too late - whatever, quit hacking the ROM after the third update.

      It was a HOSTS file block, another site can pop up and one not be aware of it until it causes problems. https://robtex.com/ wasn't available at the time (it might of helped).

      Your aware that an installed Linux hacked the PS3, they just couldn't have that. Taking the update seriously, while still promoting PS3's Linux ability.

  11. Time for a little GIMP/Photoshop by ninthbit · · Score: 1

    a screenshot (or picture) showing Linux operating on your Fat PS3;

    Shouldn't take much effort to find a pic to doctor on Google images.

    1. Re:Time for a little GIMP/Photoshop by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      While I DO have proof I ran Linux on my PS3 (and PS2 for that matter), there is no need to doctor a pic, when you could make your own


      [ninthbit@ninthbitsps3 ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
      Yellow Dog Linux release 6.0 (Pyxis)

      [ninthbit@ninthbitsps3 ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
      processor : 0
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)

      processor : 1
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)

      timebase : 79800000
      platform : PS3


      #!/bin/sh
      clear
      echo "[ninthbit@ninthbitsps3 ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release"
      echo -e "Yellow Dog Linux release 6.0 (Pyxis)\n"
      echo "[ninthbit@ninthbitsps3 ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo"
      echo "processor : 0"
      echo "cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported"
      echo "clock : 3192.000000MHz"
      echo -e "revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)\n"
      echo "processor : 1"
      echo "cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported"
      echo "clock : 3192.000000MHz"
      echo -e "revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)\n"
      echo "timebase : 79800000"
      echo "platform : PS3"

      Open an non-unity-ish or gnome3-ish terminal say xterm, rxvt or xfce-terminal or something else that won't immediately look like something running on a modern linux, run the script, take a screenshot of the terminal using imagemagick's import -window -frame feature and bingo, looks like a screenshot of someone showing they installed linux on a PS3 to a friend or message board or something.

      That said, this should be a last resort if you can't find any other proof of your PS3 Linux usage.

      For example if you keep IRC logs, any CTCP version of a PS3 Linux user running Xchat is going to show that they're running on a PPC64 with a 3.19GHz processor. That aint a PPC Mac, not even a G5, and it's highly unlikely to be a pSeries...which leaves ONE Linux capable PPC64 platform....the PS3. Even better if you're running YDL, which was PS3 centric.

    2. Re:Time for a little GIMP/Photoshop by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      While I appreciate the reply, the dead has already been done. :)

  12. Waiting for the claim from the US Air Force by sconeu · · Score: 1

    As I recall, they bought a bunch of PS3s to run as a supercomputing cluster.

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    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    1. Re:Waiting for the claim from the US Air Force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubt they were stupid enough to upgrade to the crippled firmware.

    2. Re:Waiting for the claim from the US Air Force by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      but when they send out units for repair as part of the repair they get updated by sony.

  13. Called it in 2010 by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    https://games.slashdot.org/sto... $10 vouchers in 2015
    by spire3661 ( 1038968 ) on Sunday March 28, 2010 @10:22PM (#31653572)
    "Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get
    anyways. Thanks alot Sony. I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot, but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing".

    Sony has my PS3 login proof, and this post should serve as proof i had Linux installed. --

    --
    Good-bye
  14. US only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess, US only

    1. Re: US only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, US only

      Do you think?

      Let me guess, you are European?

    2. Re: US only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Euroshittin.

    3. Re: US only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I'm in one of the other 196 countries

  15. And that's where the XBox was superior by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Microsoft didn't even allow you to install any other OS. Instead, their security was so completely shot that they could not keep you from doing so.

    Don't trust a company to keep their promises. Instead rely on their security record, or lack thereof, to be unable to keep you from fulfilling your own wishes.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  16. Part of the Settlement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does Sony have to re-enable "Other OS" installation as part of the settlement? Or should we just keep using the key that George Hotz extracted for us?

    It seems to me that Sony should have to pay George a significant sum for suing him over re-enabling a feature that should never have been disabled.

    1. Re:Part of the Settlement? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The way I see it I'm no longer bound by a contract the other side violated first.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  17. Screw Sony. by 3vi1 · · Score: 1

    If you google my slashdot handle and OtherOS, it will be blatantly clear that I was really big into using my PS3 for OtherOS. I helped others past the technical hurdles of trying different distros/DE's on it back in the day. Hell, playing with OtherOS was what I used my ps3 most for - just for fun, even though I had Linux on my PCs.

    That said: I can't claim my $55. In fact, I can't even get the $9:

    Two years or so back, my PS3 got the yellow light of death. I refuse to give Sony any more money, so I did not have them repair it. I trashed it and now use an AlienWare Steam Machine. So, I don't have the PS3 serial number. I also don't have statements (if I even used a credit card - don't remember) beyond the last few years - definitely not all the way back to the release day in 2006. So, proof #1 can't be provided.

    Sony has records. They know I bought it because the can see it logged into the PS network. They could probably even show login records that make visible the year gap where I refused to update so I could keep OtherOS. But they're adding a hurdle that will save them money and screw over a bunch of their former customers.

    Fuck Sony. They're never getting another dime from me or anyone in my family.

  18. My fat is sitting collecting dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me make sure I've got this straight - So let's say I never did the 3.21 upgrade but didn't necessary install Linux. Conceivably I could install Linux now, take a screen-shot, and be eligible for the $55?