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Report: Apple To Unveil New Macs At An October 27th Event In Cupertino (recode.net)

According to Recode's sources, Apple's updated Macs will be unveiled at an event in Cupertino on October 27th. Recode reports: The move had been long expected, given that the company released MacOS Sierra last month but had yet to introduce any new computer models sporting the software. It also comes just in time for Apple to have the new products on sale for the full holiday season. Apple has gone a long time without making significant changes to any of its Mac models, with most experts encouraging customers to hold off all but essential new purchases until the lineup was updated. Tops among the rumors have been reports that Apple will introduce a new MacBook Pro sporting a row of customizable touchscreen keys. The Mac event is expected to take place at or near Apple's Cupertino campus rather than in San Francisco, where the company held many recent events, including the iPhone 7 announcement.

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  1. Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by sandbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With PCI slots room for multiple video cards and several hard drive bays. You know, a proper workstation.

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    1. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by kuzb · · Score: 0

      If it can't be made obsolete in 6 months, Apple probably won't build it.

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    2. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good one. what else, maybe a "pro" laptop which does not need an adaptor for every fucking usb-stick or sd-card, or one that can't be pulled to the floor when you trip over the power cable? get real, that's like wishing for ergonomical mice.

    3. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      No proper tower design Mac Pro, no buy. That's one drop not in their bucket.

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    4. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by kwerle · · Score: 1

      For both the folks that want one?

      It's sad, but what's the point? I know there are a few folks who want real machines - but it just doesn't seem likely they're going to cater to that small a market. Sure it doesn't help that they've pretty much abandoned it up 'til now - but I have to think that's because they can't justify the effort.

      You might think that they'd figure out that not having a full line of products is bad for each segment, but Apple's never been good at that.

    5. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      The reality is that Apple makes more money servicing its products than from selling Macs. Macs are an also-ran inside the company, probably kept around for nostalgic and developer purposes only.

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    6. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > For both the folks that want one?

      A proper workstation was part of their line-up for YEARS. It's how they accommodated their serious professional users.

      Suddenly those no longer exist?

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    7. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      Is this a serious comment or just downing some hateorade? Apple seem to support their hardware for a reasonable amount of time in my experience.

    8. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      lol? I'm using a MacPro laptop with a USB port, SD-card slot and a magsafe connecter that does the job... Which one are you using?

    9. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With PCI slots room for multiple video cards and several hard drive bays. You know, a proper workstation.

      Better that Apple supports multiple NVeM (?) SSD cards instead of bulky hard disk drives and the system stays cooler too. For the price of Apple mac Pro Towers it should be equipped with 2TB SSD storage out of the box with support for an additional 2TB.

    10. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Considering the ridiculous sums of money they get for a 5 year old design macbook pro I can't believe they want to actually lose that profit margin. Any other computer company in the world would love to make what Apple makes on it's hardware. I've got a 2011 Macbook Pro that I picked up second hand and it's essentially the same as the 13" Macbook Pro they're selling today. It was a nice system 5 years ago but today it's really not impressive.

    11. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good one. what else, maybe a "pro" laptop which does not need an adaptor for every fucking usb-stick or sd-card, or one that can't be pulled to the floor when you trip over the power cable? get real, that's like wishing for ergonomical mice.

      The only flaw in my HP Spectre 13 - an ultrabook similar to Apple's Mac Book Air 12-inch - is the lack of a microSD card reader. Instead I had to buy an adapter which converts the microSD card into a USB-C storage device; not the end of the world but there is sufficient room on the back to have included a microSD slot since the USB-C ports are on the back edge.

    12. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep dreaming.

      My 2010 model Mac Pro is still ticking along nicely (with an upgrade to a six-core CPU when one of the RAM slots decided to die). I've looked at the 2013 refresh a few times, but no matter how I look at it, it doesn't cut it for me. 1 TB of internal storage isn't enough, and the lack of an optical bay (yes, call me a stick-in-the-mud) means it's a non starter. That, plus the crazy prices for three year old hardware, means that I don't see myself giving up the old system until it dies. At which point, I'll either have to bite the bullet and figure out how to make the trash can work for me (cute design, but seriously sub-functional for my needs), or build a Hackintosh (eurgh; faffing around with hardware and software got old for me a decade ago. It's bad enough that I do it for a living; I don't need it during my downtime as well.)

      Considering how long it's been since they've updated most of their hardware lineup (the Mac Pro just happens to be the most extreme case), I can't help but think that the Mac lineup is a sideline to Apple now. Which is more than a little bit pathetic, really. It's a shame; macOS is probably the nicest desktop (as distinct from server) operating system out there. I find it works for me much better than either Windows or Linux. But if the hardware isn't there...

    13. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by sandbagger · · Score: 2

      I guess you don't do video.

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    14. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PCI? are you a fucking idiot?

    15. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the USB-A ports and headphone jack!

    16. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by kuzb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my experience their quest to make things sleeker means devices are inherently less upgradable, much harder to repair, and far more prone to failure. Ram is often soldered to the board, and in some systems (yes imac, i'm looking at you) you have to do retarded shit (like pull the glass out of the unit) just to replace a drive. Not to mention they go out of their way to use torx screws for everything just for the added /facepalm. Top to bottom, these things are engineered to be more frustrating than they need to be.

      While 6 months is a bit of an exaggeration, what isn't is the fact that apple stuff is purposefully engineers their technology to be prone to failure. There are tons of cases of ventilation issues with macs because airflow doesn't seem as important to them as the look of the machine. They'd rather throttle your already anorexic CPU than provide you with appropriate cooling. I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff. Sure a regular boxy pc may not be as attractive, but it'll be a lot cheaper, perform better, be infinitely more upgradable, and can be modified to suit your personal demands. With Apple, you'll pay out the ass for whatever they give you - and fuck you if you don't like it.

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    17. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      Storage inside the box is so 2012. External arrays via thunderbolt is the way to go.

    18. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Apple is no longer a computer company. They are a mobile devices platform company. They keep Macs and OSX around simply as a way to finance the development platform for iOS. When you make more from service contracts than from selling a product - that product is essentially irrelevant from a revenue standpoint. It's only value is the toolset needed to make iOS apps. That's why Apple essentially ignores the entire Mac line - it doesn't matter, financially.

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    19. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by subk · · Score: 1

      Sure the RAM slot is "dead"? I have fixed numerous 2008-2012 Mac Pro towers by blowing the dust out of the slots.

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    20. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      You think they don't care about a few billion dollars just lying around huh?

    21. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could just have said "Yes, I just downed some hateorade".

    22. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current mac pro had system specs that were a bit outdated in the first place, and simply have kept up with changes in the last three years. For a 3k+ machine that cant be upgrades, thats pretty bad. "Supporting" hardware at apple really just means not breaking things with new updates; thats simply not good enough.

    23. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because an octopus of cables at every workstation is clearly much better AND you still have not solved the need for multiple very large video cards and PCI slots for other gear. Sorry but these are the reasons why the tin can macs are on the shelves and the 2015 Mac Pros are a hot item still.

    24. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'hateorade' is a bit strong. i'm casually sipping some disdainorade.

    25. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, just a little research tells me that Apple had over 25 billion dollars in revenue just from Macs in 2015. That's a nice chunk of change considering over 30 percent of that is profit. HP has to sell more than 7 windows machines to equal what one Mac brings to Apple. Why in hell do you think Apple would turn away from that? Particularly since they put so much work into making them work together so seamlessly.

    26. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "their" hardware do you mean that Apple supports obsolete hardware for a reasonable amount of time? Then you might be correct.

    27. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is your beef with torx screws? They don't strip out like Phillips. They've been around for decades. Spend $10 and get a set of bits and call it a day.

      You complain about hex bits from Ikea too?

    28. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moot point now (the component in question has long since been swapped out for a replacement), but pretty sure. I did pull the stick out, swapped sticks around, etc. before forking out for the upgrade. *shrugs*

      In any case, the 6 core was what I originally wanted; I opted for the 4 core box because it was all I could afford at the time. The RAM problems gave me a good excuse to get the upgrade along with the fix.

    29. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Rendering, intermediates, etc all need bucketloads of *local* storage, i.e. you don't want to render on anything that has an IO bottleneck. Is thunderbolt really as fast as the internal bus?

      External is great for video storage and backups, but unless Apple is going to give you the option of multiple/large scale internal SSDs, video processing is going to be very slow compared to Wintel machines.

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    30. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one that won't let me use a wired mouse and a usb stick at the same time.

    31. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Which, the workstation or the pro users?

      The workstation hasn't existed since MacPro5,1 was discontinued, and they fucked over Final Cut Studio. The pro users have been vanishing ever since.

      Why buy 3 year old hardware that was fairly "meh" when introduced, when you can get a Windows workstation with far more performance and actually up-to-date GPUs for the same price? Sure, you don't get OS X or Final Cut, but they fucked over their Final Cut users already (good job making Final Cut X not be able to open previous Final Cut projects, or talk to Final Cut Server - brilliant!) and they went to Adobe Premiere or Avid Media Composer - both of which run on Windows.

      Prepress figured out long ago that the iMac has enough horsepower for what they do, so they no longer buy Mac Pro either.

      The pro user community that is still relying on Apple is vanishing, and Apple doesn't seem to give a shit.

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    32. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff. Sure a regular boxy pc may not be as attractive, but it'll be a lot cheaper, perform better, be infinitely more upgradable, and can be modified to suit your personal demands.

      Well you can take it out as same performance for less money or more performance for same money, I think for most it has "enough" though so it's really attractiveness vs price. As for upgrading most people are quite happy with laptops (stats from Norway age 16-65 says 30% use desktops, 80% laptops), I don't think they even consider it the same way I've never considered replacing the engine or gearbox on my car. It's not like any part will be outdated in two years anymore and if my needs radically change I'll sell it and buy a different car.

      Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Broadwell, Haswell, Skylake it's not like CPUs are revolutionary improving. Graphics did a huge leap recently because they skipped the 20nm node but I'm pretty sure a GTX 1080 will be a pretty damn decent card five years from now. RAM, SSD/HDD, connectors like USB are quite stable too. It might not be the most economically efficient since I'd buy extra early for it to last, but I could certainly build a PC today I could weld shut and not open for 5-10 years barring hardware failure and not really miss anything. Which means it's again price aka money and so is service/replacement costs.

      Basically if you have the money there aren't really that many other downsides. Much like despite what /. says the average consumer doesn't mind a non-replaceable battery.

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    33. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it can't be made obsolete in 6 months, Apple probably won't build it.

      The whole point of the article is that Apple hasn't released a new model Macintosh in years.

      This is the exact opposite of what you're saying.

    34. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by tepples · · Score: 1

      How did a USB hub fail when you tried it?

    35. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Rendering, intermediates, etc all need bucketloads of *local* storage, i.e. you don't want to render on anything that has an IO bottleneck. Is thunderbolt really as fast as the internal bus?

      Thunderbolt 1 ~= 2x PCIe 2.0 = ~1GB/s (signal is 4x but won't go full speed)
      Thunderbolt 2 ~= 4x PCIe 2.0 = ~2GB/s
      Thunderbolt 3 ~= 4x PCIe 3.0 = ~4GB/s

      I guess if you RAID 0 you can go faster but if you have hardware and software that can create video at >4GB/s you're pretty special.

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    36. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Why just one USB hub? Why not drape out a whole octopus of daisy-chained hubs and wires and stuff?

    37. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      It is the internal bus, sort of, if you're willing to look at it that way
      Sort of like PCMCIA more than USB or Firewire.

      The main problem is cost, and the cost makes peripherals low volume/high margin affairs, so high cost snowballs into yet higher cost.

    38. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      And that revenue is around 11% of their total revenue, and less than their service revenue. It's low on the totem pole of where Apple's priorities lie. You don't need to look any further than where they put their efforts (iPhones, iTunes, App stores, services) to realize they turned away from it because it's lot as high of margin and compared to the other streams of revenue - it's small.

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    39. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. They haven't updated the Mac Pro trash can in over three years. An eternity. There are serious problems with the graphics cards and many other issues never addressed. It's already too late. Most of the post production studios I work with have switched to Windows.

    40. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point is correct for the average person, but the average person is not buying $5,000 custom graphics workstations, it's graphics professionals like me. And that is simply not good enough. Try rendering 10 minutes of 4K stereoscopic CG VR on a Mac Pro vs a brand new custom PC workstation of the same price and you'll see how far CPUs have come. Or transcoding that same footage. It's no contest, and Apple has lost. It's already too late.

      Most VR isn't even supported on Macs due to GPU limitations

    41. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Nobody cuts 10 percent of their profit out. You're nuts if you believe that. Especially when they can use it to tie iPhone users more fully into the Apple Walled Garden. When your phone works together with your computer it makes life easy. No, it's not their main profit but that's a lot of money. Every single PC manufacturer wished they made what Apple makes on computers. A good friend of mine has an iMac and he loves how it works with his iPhone6. Every upgrade to iOS just makes it smoother as well. New Computer hardware is supposed to be announced later this month so I'd say Apple is aware of the importance of maintaining all areas of their empire.

    42. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      They don't have the pci-e lanes to drive 2 SSD cards.

      Unless they cut the video cards down to X8 X8 or switched X16 X16 from one X16 link.

    43. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " if you have hardware and software that can create video at >4GB/s you're pretty special."

      Protip: Most game modern engines can EASILY do that with just the video card. AGP had a maximum throughput of 2166MB/s, half your requirement. That was replaced roughly a decade ago.

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    44. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the new models are so advanced that Apple has already abandoned them before machines hit the store. And fanboys will queue at stores like never before.

    45. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      You could have just said yes and moved on. There are plenty of benefits that come with making things sleeker (and less upgradable.) but you ignore them all and went right ahead and exaggerating the issues it creates. Lets make a list: "More prone to failure" The opposite is actually true. "engineered to be more frustrating" for you? Many people (normal consumers) find the simplicity appealing. "Apple stuff is purposefully engineers their technology to be prone to failure" This is nonsensical. And rubbish. "tons of cases of ventilation issues" Rubbish. Sure if you want to overclock or do anything drastically different it may be true. "I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff" One of the few things you've said i can fully endorse. "a lot cheaper, perform better, be infinitely more upgradable, and can be modified to suit your personal demands" Yep. So buy a cheap PC box. I usually do but there is merit to Apples approach to integrating the OS and hardware and making it very reliable.

    46. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff.

      Here's the reason: People buy Apple computers because they run Mac OS X.

    47. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      A proper workstation was part of their line-up for YEARS. It's how they accommodated their serious professional users.

      Suddenly those no longer exist?

      And you know what the two worst-selling Macs are? The Mac Pro and the Mac Mini. The sales of those two models is pathetic compared to the laptops and iMac line.

      Apple's sales is easy to spot. The most profitable and popular devices are updated frequently, i.e., the iPhones. The less popular devices are updated less frequently. Given how frequently the iPads are updated, they're not selling as well.

      The Macs are also in-between - the laptops get updated now and again, but with little fanfare, while the Mac Mini and Mac Pro have seen no love in years. Not even an updated. Hell, you can't even find a Mac Pro or Mini on display at the Apple store!

      Apple's not spending much engineering money on products that don't sell well - it's just bad ROI. Heck, it's why the Mac Mini was stuck with dual core processors - it's the only set of processors Intel had that used the same socket - Apple wasn't going to redesign the motherboard to accommodate the quad core i7 for just one model, so they use a common motherboard for all of them.

    48. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff.

      The only reason some people buy a Mac (and not a Windows to be converted to Linux) is because iOS dev is only possible on a Mac.

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    49. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, people buy it, because it runs osx, not windows or linux.

    50. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by unami · · Score: 1

      just wait until the 27th...

    51. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't necessarily matter.

      Mac Minis often sell to people who have other Macs - this keeps them in the walled garden.

      The Mac Pro (used to) attract media professionals, engineers and the like. This creates a halo effect and drives the development of high end software which often trickles down into the Mac ecosystem. Audio software for example.

      Only ever looking at cost and sales per model makes you Ford not Bentley.

    52. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many trashcans were sold? Probably not enough to bother to keep the product updated or refreshed. Nobody ever liked those machines.

    53. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A five year old machine is not impressive today. Wow you are insightful. The same model today is much more modern on the inside.

    54. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are always mac minis and mac pros at every single apple store here. What stores are you visiting??

    55. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Apple makes more money servicing its products than from selling Macs.

      That's only because you are a dolt who can't read.

      "Apple Services", which makes a lot of money, isn't "servicing" as in "repairing" its products. "Apple Services" is iTunes, App Store, everything that Apple sells that isn't hardware.

    56. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must be a stupid fucking Brit. Do you get an erection thing about Jony Ive, King of Queers? I love how you say, "There are plenty of benefits that come with making things sleeker and less upgradable", and then without giving a single, tiny example, you go right into "debunking" everything the guy said with single word responses: "rubbish."

    57. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought mine because it runs OS X, and Windows and Linux.

    58. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience their quest to make things sleeker means devices are inherently less upgradable, much harder to repair, and far more prone to failure. Ram is often soldered to the board, and in some systems (yes imac, i'm looking at you) you have to do retarded shit (like pull the glass out of the unit) just to replace a drive. Not to mention they go out of their way to use torx screws for everything just for the added /facepalm. Top to bottom, these things are engineered to be more frustrating than they need to be.

      While 6 months is a bit of an exaggeration, what isn't is the fact that apple stuff is purposefully engineers their technology to be prone to failure. There are tons of cases of ventilation issues with macs because airflow doesn't seem as important to them as the look of the machine. They'd rather throttle your already anorexic CPU than provide you with appropriate cooling. I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff. Sure a regular boxy pc may not be as attractive, but it'll be a lot cheaper, perform better, be infinitely more upgradable, and can be modified to suit your personal demands. With Apple, you'll pay out the ass for whatever they give you - and fuck you if you don't like it.

      Just don't buy one. Simple. And leave the people alone that do buy them, they might have different needs or wants to you.

      I use a 12" Macbook for general use and front end web dev, and love it even with it's "anorexic CPU". But for gaming I run a PC in a big tower case. Right tool for the job and all that.

    59. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh heh. Apple fans queuing up just to not buy something that isn't being released. I can totally believe that.

    60. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right about iMacs.

      But I've had a Mac Mini for over five years and it still performs nicely. Swapping out the RAM chips is pretty easy, and using a torx wrench is no big deal. Haven't had to change the HD so can't speak to that.

      Relatively cheap too. Pickup a Mac Mini along with a monitor of your choice and a couple peripherals and you're set. Again, I'm five years in and still humming nicely. I mostly use it for writing code and running a development web server.

      Now Apple's software...that's another issue...

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    61. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Define 'proper'. Even in the heyday of workstations, you had varying looks - from the beige looks of AIX or Ultrix workstations from IBM or DEC to the really colorful Irix workstations from SGI. And those sleek pizza boxes from SGI or Sun - I don't know that you could just toss in more drives - they came w/ as much capacity to begin w/

      The Mac Pro has substituted hard drives for PCIe based SSDs, so obviously, there won't be drive bays. Not sure how many videos you want to attach to it, but w// the migration to HDMI, they just need to have enough HDMI ports, right? Doesn't change the shape of the tower.

      IMO, even if we still had the Suns, SGI, IBM, HP et al make workstations, this would still rank up there as one of the best, if not the best. It is Xeon powered, which would be par for any Lintel workstations. It has gobs of DRAM and storage, which the workstations would have. While those workstations would probably have run either Linux or their own proprietary Unixes, this one runs OS X, which is XNU as far as the kernel goes, and FreeBSD as far as userland goes. So any of the standard Unix utilities that one would need to run would run, and traditional Unix tools, like CAD or animation could also run or be compiled for this. And then there is all the Apple stuff, which would run seamlessly on this as well. Making it the most versatile workstation out there in the market

    62. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      With PCI slots room for multiple video cards and several hard drive bays. You know, a proper workstation.

      Proper for you, maybe. Not "proper" for a lot of people.

      Last night I was watching a "60 Minutes" report on Apple that they aired last December (yeah, I'm slow on catching-up to my recorded shows. Sue me!). Part of the piece contained an interview with Jony Ive, and a (pretty guarded) peek at some of the people at work in his Design Group. It sure looked like the Workstations they were using with whatever CAD/CAM/CAE Applications they were using (VectorWorks? Inventor? Siemens PLM? Other?) were being run on Trash Can Mac Pros. And they were nicely whipping around some pretty complicated and finely-detailed 3D solid-models on the screen with complete fluidity.

      So, apparently, not everyone that needs some workstation-class compute-power and graphics needs a big tower with a bunch of random cards stuffed into it, and a fan that sounds like an airplane takeoff.

    63. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      You're a real dumbass.

      Torx screws have been in common use in the automotive (and many other) industries since the 1980s. They are used because they are far superior to Phillips in every conceivable way. You literally can't buy a screwdriver bit set or toolkit that DOESN'T include an assortment of Torx bits. So get over that one, willya?

      And the idea that Apple engineers their products for premature failure is laughable. You do realize, of course, that Apple actually has the opposite reputation. And it is well-deserved.

      As far as "upgradability" goes, outside of Slashdot, you will find that there isn't one computer-owner in 10,000 that ACTUALLY upgrades their computing hardware "piecemeal". If they have performance issues, they generally just replace the whole thing. Just like you don't "upgrade" the Magnetron in your microwave oven, nor the Display Panel in your TV or Monitor. But nobody seems to worry about those things, even though they represent purchases that cost as much, or sometimes even more, than a computer.

      As far as pulling the front glass to service an iMac, it is actually a pretty simple thing. And considering that most people never have to do it, it is a perfectly-adequate access method.

    64. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      A five year old machine is not impressive today. Wow you are insightful. The same model today is much more modern on the inside.

      That's one of the biggest "problems" with Apple, marketing-wise. Not only do their newer designs look almost identical externally to the previous iteration, they also have the somewhat maddening propensity to keep the product-names the same, year-after-year. So it is easy to ignore/forget/miss the fact that the internal design has changed nearly every year.

      Now in the case of the Trash Can Mac Pro, I think there might be a legitimate concern about the lack of updates.

    65. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey look, it's bitztream, the autism-hating Slashdot troll!

    66. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      " if you have hardware and software that can create video at >4GB/s you're pretty special."

      Protip: Most game modern engines can EASILY do that with just the video card. AGP had a maximum throughput of 2166MB/s, half your requirement. That was replaced roughly a decade ago.

      Gaming != Rendering high-quality video or doing CAD. Extremely differnent applications.

    67. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way, Apple is too courageous to build a proper workstation.

    68. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the USB-A ports and headphone jack!

      And while we're at it, a Floppy Drive, and Serial and Parallel Ports.

    69. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It has gobs of DRAM and storage

      IIRC, doesn't it also have some sort of wickedly-fast memory bus?

    70. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to my late-2010 iMac. which is still going strong at 6 years old. Just upgraded to Sierra about a week ago.

    71. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Uhh, rendering shit in REALTIME at 4K resolutions with even game engines from Crysis-1 era isn't going to use that bandwidth? Are you a fucking moron or what?

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    72. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff.

      You get the popular Windows Apps along with the power of Unix under the hood.

      i.e. Unix + Photoshop.

      e.g. MS Office on OSX gives me _both_ the ribbon bar AND menu bar. Best of both worlds because _I_ get to decide which one works for me.

    73. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Torx makes sense if you have very small screws or if you have screws which are heavily torqued on as they would be in some automotive parts. It doesn't make sense for anything else. The generic PC industry at large has been using phillips for decades with no difficulty. Often times it's a phillips screw with a hex head screw so you have two ways to remove it. The only time you encounter torx in larger computer parts is when someone wants to ensure it's that much more difficult to get in to. Everyone has a phillips screwdriver. Not everyone has a torx set handy. Apple isn't doing this because it's inherently better, they're doing it because making it harder for the end user to change anything is how they roll.

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    74. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You could just have said "Yes, I just downed some hateorade"

      LOL, indeed. It's his loss.

    75. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Christ, I built a computer out of an old intel 920 with an intel DSOX58 board for about $350 used that outperforms all but the highest end macs. Their hardware is often inferior for what you can get dollar for dollar if you turn your own screws. When you buy mac, you're buying an aluminum shell that houses shit hardware in a custom configuration that is designed to fail.

      Weld your computer shut? Are you fucking stupid? Even if the hardware can go the distance, fan bearings fail. Thermal grease dries up and becomes less effective. You absolutely DO need to be able to get in there if you want to deal with things when they happen. And they WILL happen.

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    76. Re: Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      Correction: swapping RAM was pretty easy. The latest Mac minis have on-board RAM and cannot be upgraded, ever. So if you do any serious work with your computer, you absolutely have to pay for the overpriced RAM upgrade directly from Apple when you buy the computer. You can no longer offset the cost of the computer on a few years by doing upgrades by yourself.

      Also, the presentation slide from 2014 said "SSD" as if all the minis now had that feature, but only the top model does. Totally misleading advertisting.

      So yes, I'm looking forward to see if the Mac mini will finally be "updated" next week but I'm really not holding my breath. Like a lot of people, I may need to go with the hackintosh option.

    77. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't necessarily matter. Mac Minis often sell to people who have other Macs.

      The Mac mini is supposed to be the "gateway Mac", i.e. a low-cost Mac to get people away from Windows.

      But their last update in 2014 was pathetic, it probably drove people away from Macs. If you make a weak, overpriced computer that can't even be upgraded, of course people won't buy it. And I'm sure Apple will go with the typical accounting thinking of "well, the Mac mini is not selling so we might as well stop making them".

    78. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Revenue != profit. Macs are much less profitable than iOS devices. That's why warranty/repair services eclipse Macs in terms of profit.

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    79. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      " if you have hardware and software that can create video at >4GB/s you're pretty special."

      Protip: Most game modern engines can EASILY do that with just the video card. AGP had a maximum throughput of 2166MB/s, half your requirement. That was replaced roughly a decade ago.

      Bandwidth of a video card interface and the throughput of a 3D gaming engine is irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking creating video through something like Avid or Premiere/After Effects by compositing multiple streams of video and effects and then mixing that all down to a single stream for output.

      Whilst some acceleration of this is done on the GPU (and this is why the 3 year old Mac Pro has 2 GPUs even in it's base configuration) the main requirement here is fast and consistent throughput to mass storage.

      There are plenty of video professionals that use a Mac Pro with it's stock 256 GB internal SSD and then hook it up to an external 8- or 12-bay Thunderbolt RAID (or two) that can transfer in excess of 2 GB/sec - something like this http://www.lacie.com/as/en/pro...

      I don't care how big your PC workstation case is, if you want 50 or 100 TB of storage, you're looking at external RAID or SAN anyway. The internal storage is only used for the OS, apps and scratch space.

    80. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I understand that. That hardly means they don't want the Billions of Dollars they get from Macs. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Apple doesn't give a shit about a measly 8 or 10 billion dollars? That they can't be bothered to pick that money up off the table? It's too much trouble? Just let HP and Dell have that chump change? Come on dude. Even Apple doesn't sneeze at billions of dollars in profit. I bet you don't run a business.

    81. Re:Including a Mac Pro tower, right? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, I am saying they give a lot less of a shit about Macs as compared to everything else - and thus Macs are always going to be treated as the 2nd class citizen within the dev teams at Apple. Slower to release, less resources available for advances, etc.

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  2. MacPro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When?????

    1. Re: MacPro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      neverrrrrrrrr

    2. Re:MacPro? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Since when is a MacPro the same as a MacBook Pro?

      Honestly, I'd like to see the entire Mac line come out w/ Apple's A series of CPUs

  3. Skinnable interfaces... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because nothing says "consistent" UI like a bank of completely customizable keys.

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    1. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by rat_herder · · Score: 1

      Nothing says hater like whining about a rumored feature on an Apple product before seeing it or trying it. Classy

    2. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing says hater than a post that says "Fuck you."
      Breathe. Chill. Drink a bottle of cough syrup. Ain't nothing to be so uptight about.

    3. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0

      Nobody says 'hater' except a Mac zealot or a member of the Church of Scientology.

      Face it, when you start branding people 'hater' you're cocooned into a cult.

    4. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by 101percent · · Score: 1

      You have to look at it from an apple perspective. This is a potential revenue source through key skins and stickers.

    5. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because nothing says "consistent" UI like a bank of completely customizable keys.

      No, or almost no, Apple Software uses the F-Keys anyway. That's why they started using them primarily for intrinsic functions like Backlight, Audio Volume, Play/Pause, etc.

      I for one would love to have a version of Logic Pro or Photoshop that could put up custom "keytops" on the F-Keys. And if the rumors (probably untrue) about having e-Ink keytops on the REST of the keys are true, then that would be truly unique for a standard keyboard offering.

    6. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Nothing says hater like whining about a rumored feature on an Apple product before seeing it or trying it. Classy

      You must be new here...

    7. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Nobody says 'hater' except a Mac zealot or a member of the Church of Scientology.

      Face it, when you start branding people 'hater' you're cocooned into a cult.

      Face it, when you get subjected to "logic" like this day after day, week after week, year after year, the term "Hater" seems pretty appropriate to describe some people.

    8. Re:Skinnable interfaces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding: No, or almost no, Apple Software uses the F-Keys anyway.

      The Xcode debugger would disagree.

  4. One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by SolemnLord · · Score: 1

    On one hand, I'll miss it.

    On the other hand, Apple can't make a cable to save its life and I'd much rather swap out a male-male USB-C cable when it inevitably begins fraying instead of having to buy a whole new power supply.

    1. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      MagSafe is overrated anyway. It doesn't connect anywhere near powerfully enough. It's fine when connected to a Mac sitting on your desk (but then so is any other connecter), but it disconnects anytime you move if you have it sitting on your lap.

    2. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by seoras · · Score: 2

      That would not be good. I've tripped over my power cable far too many times and been grateful for having Magsafe.
      I had hoped Apple would find a way of continuing MagSafe with USB-C even though they didn't with the MacBook.
      Feels like a big step backwards.

    3. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      My experience with MagSafe is that it's terrible for when you want it to remain plugged in, routinely falling out as you use it.

      It also is terrible at what it's designed for, and is easily able to hook onto the power port just long enough to drag the MacBook to the floor before disconnecting if you trip over the cable.

      So, yeah, go riddance to the "doesn't stay plugged in" power adapter. It fails at everything it's supposed to do.

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    4. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never happen unless you tripped over the cable or moved too far. And that is the design of the cable rather than an issue to be disconnected "Safe"ly.

    5. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, the number of times the MagSafe cable has popped out without need: 0
      The number of times where the MagSafe cable disconnected, not bringing the laptop with it: Enough to justify the feature.

    6. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "On the other hand, Apple can't make a cable to save its life and I'd much rather swap out a male-male USB-C cable when it inevitably begins fraying instead of having to buy a whole new power supply."
      With all the vitriol being flung around in the other comments, you actually have a point- The Magsafe Power Supply Cable. A few points first on how it works:
      **************
      Power Supply is in idle mode, just a a couple of volts on the Hot pins in case the connector accidentally falls into a bowl of sweetened condensed milk. (Yes, it happened...) Start plugging Magsafe to Macbook. Ground and Sense pins hook up first. Macbook authenticates the PS, and depending on which one it is, sets internal charging parameters. The two Hot pins then seat, and the Magsafe microcontroller senses which Macbook it is by a specific idle resistance; the Magsafe turns Green. PS Voltage starts ramping up to model specific values, and Magsafe turns Orange, and charging commences. At this point charging gets complicated, but irrelevant.
      Two problems:

      Those damn spring-loaded tiny Pogo Pins. They jam, they get dirty with any Ironish dust or debris transferred from the magnet, and the "Hot" pins erode. Another of the reasons to use a low standby voltage is to minimize erosive "sparking" when making the connection. But when breaking the connection, full current may still be flowing while charging. I've looked at several of the "Hot" Pogo pins under a microscope- they look like the back side of the Moon. The "Cold" pins, since they engage first and disengage last, still look pretty good.

      Insulation. My decade old Powerbook, still in use every day, still is on the original PS. The cable is grungy, and occasionally I have to re-round the Shell, as I did with the old "RCA" Phono plugs, but it still works. (The Battery is long kaput...)
      Over the last four years and two Macbook Airs, I'm now on my fourth Magsafe PS. The outer Insulation just shreds itself, and whatever Insulation is used between Hot and Cold turns into green goo. (Green I presume is supposedly from the Copper strands.) I've read that this is because the Insulation is now made by a process that is more Environmentally sound, but these damn Magsafe Supplies are clogging up Landfills worldwide by the millions. Apple has already issued one recall due to the fraying problem, but you just get an identical replacement.
      **********

      Magsafe is not just a connector, the -Safe suffix has several meanings. Magsafe is actually great in concept from a number of reasons not immediately apparent, but is let down by two Engineering Failures- Not enough repeatable contact area on the damn sticky Pogo pins, and truly crappy Insulation. Both of these are easily fixable, but it's too late now.

      And Apple, probably for Liability reasons, feels the need to charge $80 for a replacement Supply, regardless of Wattage Specs. Many have gone the cheaper Third Party route, but _all_ of those are counterfeit, every single fucking one of them. Their Supplies don't have the Smarts to ramp Voltage properly or at all. Some Macbooks _will_ work with these, to some degree, or they won't. (Also, again probably for Liability reasons, Apple eliminated the Airline Magsafe adapter, that would allow the Macbooks to run in Planes, Boats, or Cars, without charging the Lithium batteries...that Magsafe microcontroller won't allow charging. The old fashioned way, using an external Inverter, still allows charging.)

    7. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Anyone know when the patent expires on magsafe? I'd like to see it on other laptops.

      I don't know how they even got the patent in the first place. Japanese kitchen appliance manufacturers had been doing it for years, so you don't yank the cable and spill boiling hot liquid over yourself. They were doing it around the time when Jobs was in Japan, which is where he also got the turtleneck uniform idea from, so I guess that's when he stole it.

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    8. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      On one hand, I'll miss it.

      On the other hand, Apple can't make a cable to save its life and I'd much rather swap out a male-male USB-C cable when it inevitably begins fraying instead of having to buy a whole new power supply.

      Stop pulling your cables out like weeds and you'l stop having problems. My six year old 30-pin "iPhone Dock Connector" cable is still perfect. My 2 year old Lightning cable is still perfect. My 3 year old Magsafe cable is perfect. Etc. Etc.

      You just don't know how to handle cables properly.

    9. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      I've never had a problem with their magsafe cables. I can't even fathom what people do to cause their cables to fray in the ways I've seen. I have a power supply from 2009 which is still just as good now as it was then.

      Now MICE on the other hand.... IMO there needs to be emergency legislation that says it is illegal for Apple to make peripherals. A more unergonomic POS, I have never laid eyes on.

    10. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      The MagSafe pops out all the time. I just set my MacBook down on the table, and that was enough to cause it to pop out. It's ridiculous and useless.

      Meanwhile, the number of times I've tripped over the cable and dragged the MacBook down anyway are too many to count.

      It's a useless feature. It offers no protection and all it does it lead to MacBooks with dead batteries. Bring on USB-C. At least then you'll be able to get third party chargers made out of something that doesn't disintegrate the instant the warranty is up.

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    11. Re:One rumour is the death of Magsafe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cable intended to be used with an on-the-go device should be TOUGH. Apple's Magsafe are just poorly designed, and don't stand up to anything like normal use.

      The first one I had was a T-style connector and that lasted about 3 years. Every replacement I've bought has been the L-style and has failed, first going flakey and not charging consistently, and eventually failing to charge at all. One even split open and started smoking.

      The worst part is that Apple won't make it so you can just replace the cord, even though that's the part that goes bad. NO, you have to replace the entire adapter for $80 a pop. This alone is enough to make me switch to another brand for my next laptop.

  5. Logged in to post, no AC by felixrising · · Score: 2

    About Fucking Time. Typed from my new Dell XPS 15.

    1. Re:Logged in to post, no AC by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Sweet. Now that's a decent Windows laptop.

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    2. Re:Logged in to post, no AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing about Windows is decent. Using it is like stabbing myself in the dick with a rusty icepick over and over again.

    3. Re:Logged in to post, no AC by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Sweet. Now that's a decent Windows laptop.

      Isn't that an oxymoron?

    4. Re:Logged in to post, no AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like stabbing myself in the dick with a rusty icepick.

      Exactly how would you know that? Steve-O... is that you?

  6. I've come to dread these events... by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've tried using MacBooks, but they always had issues for me, so I go with (not necessarily new) Thinkpads for the road, but I mostly use my desktops anyway, and that's where I have a Mac Pro and a Mac Mini, which are pretty solid machines. Granted, the Mac Pro was too expensive, if my job did not pay for it I had calculated that I would have built it for less than half the price, but if you're not on a budget it is a good machine.
    So, whenever there was new hardware introduced, specifically Mac Pro and Mac Mini I followed it, and if there was a good feature / speed increased introduced I would perhaps go for it (happened once with the Pro, twice with the Mini). But in 2013, it happened. They took their only "classic" workstation with multiple drive bays (I have 2 ssds and 3 hds right now), dual CPUs, PCI slots etc and "transformed" it into a cool looking yet useless to me cylinder.
    Then with the Mac Mini, first they took away the option of getting any graphics other than Intel, then in 2014 they soldered the RAM and took away the option for a quad core!!!
    So I dread the new announcements, perhaps a new Mac Mini single core. Or with an iPhone cpu... And a Mac Pro that is a cool black sphere... but you can't open it at all for stuff like adding RAM etc.

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    1. Re:I've come to dread these events... by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      I feel this. I'm desperate for an upgrade for my 2010 model. If Apple fucks this up, I'll be torn between a refurbished previous model or an XPS 15 (which is pretty great except, well, Windows).

      Seriously, now that HP and Dell are making some decent laptops, Apple has got to start taking their computer line seriously again. Their tendency to take more away with each update, and then sleep on them for months and months while CPU and GPU tech forges ahead, has made for an excruciating experience. I appreciate that Apple products have lifespans and support far longer than your typical "consumer electronics" product, manufactured in bursts and then dropped (is that a revision CA582-J or a revision BB354-Q... Sony and HP were particularly egregious at this), and Apple DOES have excellent support (last Winter, they swapped out the motherboard of a 2010 model for a buddy of mine for free... who the fuck else does that for a 5-year-old product?) but Apple doesn't upgrade anything for well over a year, even their "flagship" Mac Pro. FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKK. And when they do upgrade, will they ditch something people like... slots in the Mac Pro? MagSafe, SD and USB Type-A ports in the Macbook Pro? I'll need to carry an adapter to plug in... thumb drives? Camera cards? Like nearly everything?

      On location, the man says, "here, look at this" handing me a card out of his Nikon, and I gotta say "No... I got a new Macbook Pro... and forgot my dongle..."

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    2. Re:I've come to dread these events... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      which is pretty great except, well, Windows

      There's always the XPS 13 developer edition

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    3. Re:I've come to dread these events... by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Woot recently had the Latitude 7370 available, starting under $600 for a refurb. Near as I can tell, it's the same basic design as the XPS 13, but with Win10 Pro instead of Home and some more business-oriented features. (On closer examination, it also looks like it has a second Thunderbolt port instead of a second USB port.) I've not gotten around to installing Linux on it yet, but once secure boot was switched off, it ran SystemRescueCD and the latest Gentoo LiveDVD from a USB stick without any issues. Nice little machine. It's small enough that you can use it on a plane even if you're not in first class or an exit row...most other notebooks are so large that either the screen will be at an uncomfortable viewing angle or the front edge will be poking you in the chest. Already took a look at the manual. Except for RAM (soldered on), everything's upgradable once you unscrew the bottom cover. Mine has a 128GB M.2 SSD; if anything's a candidate for an upgrade, that is, especially if I'm going to have it dual-boot.

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    4. Re:I've come to dread these events... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bitztream, the autism-hating Slashdot troll!

    5. Re:I've come to dread these events... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding: perhaps a new Mac Mini single core.

      No single core Kaby Lake processors according to this:
      http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby-lake-haswell-refresh-platform-detailed-launching-2h-2016-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

    6. Re:I've come to dread these events... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      No functionality was lost, but it did just become an order of magnitude more expensive, into the monster cable level of expensive

      Does anyone really know why TB peripherals (especially card-cages and external drives) continue to be so asininely-priced? Is there some sort of onerous licensing fee, or controller requirement, that is driving the price up over other interfaces, or what?

    7. Re:I've come to dread these events... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      There's always the XPS 13 developer edition

      Which is far from a completed product.

      The first time we got it, suspend didn't work. You could suspend it, and resuming worked 50% of the time. The other 50% you had issues. A software update later fixed this.

      Then there's boot time. Most PCs with 14.04 pretty much get you to the login prompt within seconds. It took a couple of minutes, despite it having a super fast SSD and a fast processor. Again, software update fixed this later.

      The next time, the screen is high res. Linux and high res support is iffy, at best. It works, but if you plug in an external monitor, it too would be runing in high-res mode. It takes a bit of voodoo to get independent display scaling to work.

      The next one was a software update. Which broke wifi, bluetooth and audio. Turns out Canonical turned on driver signing which broke all those drivers. Yeah, it's an easy fix (turn off secure boot), but still.

      Yes, it's great, but damn are there serious usability issues.

      We bought these things so we had reasonably powerful Linux certified laptops for developers to use so we internally didn't have to try the hit or miss process with regular Windows laptops.

      In the end, we gave up and switched to Lenovo, whose machines seem to run Linux the best and have had fewer issues with breakage.

    8. Re:I've come to dread these events... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      And yet... I thought all intel i5 were quad-cores, but Apple has/had dual-core i5 in some of their machines.

    9. Re:I've come to dread these events... by otuz · · Score: 1

      Mostly lack of competition, but also Intel not selling their TB bridge chips to just anyone.

    10. Re:I've come to dread these events... by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Blame Intel for this. Intel makes i5's with either have four cores, or two with hyper-threading so the OS thinks it's four. The dual core models tend to draw fewer watts, making them more attractive for laptops and small designs.

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    11. Re:I've come to dread these events... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Mostly lack of competition, but also Intel not selling their TB bridge chips to just anyone.

      WHAT? You have to LICENSE the damned I/F Chips?!?

      FFS! Way to kill a nascient standard!

  7. Would love a real macbook pro by lusid1 · · Score: 1

    Hopefully its not the same old mac with a row of e-ink enabled function keys. There hasn't been anything "pro" about the macbook pro line in just about forever.

  8. Software not Hardware by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    I don't know why people continue to buy their stuff.

    I buy it because I need a Unix-based OS which just works. As a grad student and postdoc I used Linux for everything but as a faculty member I no longer have time to poke around getting it to work properly on the desktop plus I need access to commercial programs for various things (again partly as a result of not having the time to make OpenSource packages do what I need).

    That being said the recent trend with Apple is just getting ridiculous. They are selling a MacPro that is 3 years old; their support for GPUs both in software and hardware is bad (and I nee this for some video editing) and they seem to be more interested in some bizarre design ideal than in making a machine that makes the user's like easier.

    I'm going to wait for this event to see what they come up with but if the new laptops have replaced every port with a USB-C ports "because it looks cool", except for a lightning port instead of a headphone jack then I'm going to seriously consider dumping Apple and switching to some combination of Windows and Linux on a Dell. I'm not going to buy and then carry around 42 dongles to make everything work no matter how much I like their OS.

    1. Re:Software not Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell + windows = cancer.

  9. "Any" key by marciot · · Score: 1

    *Finally* I will be able to customize my keyboard with an "any" key.

  10. Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & ser by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & servers.

    That way they can keep the pro workstation scene but don't have to be tied down be thin and looks in a market where it's not a big deal and shops are willing to pay 2K-3K+ for high end tools.

    Or they can let adobe make CS for linux (also the windows ver is not that bad) and let apple die in that market.

  11. Re:Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Forgive my ignorance, but what has apple got to do with Adobe not releasing a Linux version of CS, Isn't that Adobes decision?

  12. Now with less disk space! by gspeare · · Score: 1

    While I would like a new MacBook Pro, it seems certain that the new ones will continue the trend of only offering SSDs which are hard to replace. My current Pro has 3TB of storage, I'll be lucky to overspend to get 1 TB out of the new one...

  13. Keeping an eye on the Mini. by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Mine is a 2011, and was due for replacement a year ago. I converted from Linux to Mac in '07, and am about ready to convert back. The hardest part will be replacing the iTunes files that are in m4a format. They may be DRM-free, but that doesn't mean players other than ipods can actually play them. Figure I can just buy the CD's I need, or download from Amazon MP3.

    Not the most expensive mistake I've made.

    1. Re:Keeping an eye on the Mini. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the hardest thing that's keeping you back, then just do it; easy peasy lemon squeezy with either a one line script or a gui tool: http://i.stack.imgur.com/sjbc8.png

    2. Re:Keeping an eye on the Mini. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, iTunes music files are in AAC and the non-DRM'ed ones can be played on a lot of non-Apple devices. Copy them to an SD card and you can play them on a Nintendo DSi from 2009. So if you still have players that aren't compatible with AAC in 2016, it may be time to get something new.

    3. Re:Keeping an eye on the Mini. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...iTunes files that are in m4a format. They may be DRM-free, but that doesn't mean players other than ipods can actually play them.

      Actually, that's exactly what it means. Don't even think about re-encoding those files to another lossy format.

  14. Re:Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Adobe not releasing a Linux version of CS, more or less one of the final death nails for apple.

  15. Re:Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Except that whether a Linux version exists for CS or not is irrelevant for Apple, since their OS is not Linux

  16. About friggin time by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    So nice for it to finally occur to them that their desktop lineup sales are in freefall because of their inability to refresh their products. I've been waiting to offer Macs to employees who want to use them, but there's no way I'm going to pay premium prices for ancient technology.

    You wanna sell old hardware? Fine. Then price them accordingly FFS.

  17. Re:Let Dell or HP take over for the mac pro & by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The term you're looking for is 'death knell'