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SpaceX Says Helium Loading Issue May Have Caused Falcon 9 Explosion (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Nearly two months after a September 1 accident on the launch pad, SpaceX says it is nearing the conclusion of its investigation. Although the company has yet to identify the "exact root cause" of the accident that occurred during a static fire test just prior to a planned launch of a communications satellite, the investigation has reached an "advanced state." Shortly after the fiery incident, the company focused on a breach in the cryogenic helium system of the rocket's upper stage liquid oxygen tank. "Attention has continued to narrow to one of the three composite over-wrapped pressure vessels (COPVs) inside the LOX tank," the company stated in an update released Friday afternoon. "Through extensive testing in Texas, SpaceX has shown that it can re-create a COPV failure entirely through helium loading conditions. These conditions are mainly affected by the temperature and pressure of the helium being loaded." SpaceX intends to continue work to identify the precise cause of the accident and to improve its method of loading helium onto the rocket to prevent a repeat failure. The company also plans to resume testing Falcon 9 rocket stages at its facility in McGregor, Texas, soon. By taking this step in early November, SpaceX maintains that it is on track to resume flight operations of its Falcon 9 rocket before the end of 2016.

38 comments

  1. Sabotage by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0

    So it wasn't blown up by a shoulder launched missile after all?

  2. Re: So... NOT sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were no allegations as such.

  3. Re:So... NOT sabotage? by SpaceDave · · Score: 1

    I've been following this closely but that's the first I've heard about any such allegations. Can you provide a link please?

  4. Re:So... NOT sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot.org, smart ass. It's a Slashdot exclusive. You heard it here first.

  5. Re:So... NOT sabotage? by mutantSushi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Washington Post: Implication of sabotage adds intrigue to SpaceX investigation https://www.washingtonpost.com... That story was picked up all over the media.

  6. Sniper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to the ULA sniper shooting out the oxygen tank?

  7. Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess they mean structural failure causing a cascade of other problems.

    1. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called tank pressure.

    2. Re: Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nobel"

      Ahhahahaha dumb fuck. It is noble you asshole licking fuck face.

    3. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      Nobel = 'inventor of dynamite' so if you're trying to be funny; +1

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    4. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? I guess they mean structural failure causing a cascade of other problems.

      It's not the helium exploding, no. The helium is in a high pressure container inside the liquid oxygen (LOX) tank and is supposed to be released slowly during launch to push the LOX out. If it bursts, the LOX tank can't take the pressure from both a full tank of LOX and the helium at once and will burst too. Once that happens, one spark and the LOX will burn and expand like crazy and once the kerosene (RP-1) tank is compromised it'll just be a giant ball of fire. If these helium tanks weren't super-compressed you'd need helium tanks the size of the fuel tanks which is obviously not very practical. But that also means these vessels contain extreme forces that are on the very border of what material science can offer us so it won't explode but you could absolutely call it explosive decompression.

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    5. Re: Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid fucking facts again

    6. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tanks for holding pressurized gas are super simple and reliable. The fault is not with material science. One hundred year old technology will work to hold the pressures needed.

    7. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by solartear · · Score: 1

      A current top suspect for initial trigger is solid oxygen in the overwrap around the container causing an explosion by combusting with the overwrap. This would then release the helium explosively and create fire.

    8. Re:Helium? Explosion - it is a nobel gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can accept the weight penalty,
      but the trick is in a rocket the weight needs to be kept down while maintaining structural integrity

  8. Re: So... NOT sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No formal allegations, no, but SpaceX officials did ask to inspect the roof of the nearby ULA facility. They were denied access (as would be expected), and Air Force officials went in their stead, determining that nothing unusual was observed up there. The media reported it as if SpaceX was crying sabotage, but it was just standard due diligence. When your rocket goes boom, and your competitor has a facility close by with direct line of sight, it's only natural to want to rule out foul play.

  9. Re: So... NOT sabotage? by LS · · Score: 1

    ULA and NASA are two different entities.

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  10. I think there's a market for cheap, explodng rockt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that SpaceX has already demonstrated it can launch payloads with >75% reliability. That is good enough for putting cheap, standardized satellites into space, or supplies to the ISS. That could generate at least $300 million/year in revenue. SpaceX could downsize to that small.

  11. Deadly explosive Helium! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the Hindenburg teach us anything?

    1. Re: Deadly explosive Helium! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh. HydrogenâHelium.
      Helium =inert.
      Hydrogen, not so much.

  12. Good or bad news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's good that they are able to track things down to a reproducable root cause.

    There might be room for improvement if the root cause is something that the rest of the industry figured out decades ago.

    The deeper root cause question is should/could they have forseen this failure mode if they had used lessons already learned from prefious industry failures.

    If the answer is yes, then the corrective action should be to figure out a creative way to add the necessary information path while still staying nimble.

    1. Re:Good or bad news? by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      It's good that they are able to track things down to a reproducable root cause.

      There might be room for improvement if the root cause is something that the rest of the industry figured out decades ago.

      The deeper root cause question is should/could they have forseen this failure mode if they had used lessons already learned from prefious industry failures.

      If the answer is yes, then the corrective action should be to figure out a creative way to add the necessary information path while still staying nimble.

      The ultimate root cause seems to have been a lack of understanding of how some of their systems function during the fuelling phase, which lead SpaceX operators to fill a tank with super-cooled fluid at a dangerous rate. The solution seems to be to change their filling procedures until they have a better tank design in place.

      You can bet that SpaceX has learned a lot about how fuel tanks work at extreme temperatures and pressures during this investigation.

      I look forward to seeing the F9 fly again once they've finished the investigation.

    2. Re:Good or bad news? by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Actually, I just realised the helium is nowhere near cold enough to be liquid. They're filling the tank with gas, not fluid.

  13. Re:See? Stop BS conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spoiler: when you do something that's never been done before, you run into problems nobody's encountered before.

    Who before SpaceX has put a helium-filled COPV in a super-cooled LOX tank before?

  14. Pure Oxygen is DANGEROUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oxygen Saturated - nearly anything becomes highly combustible. Some things like asphalt and charcoal become impact sensitive explosives.
    David Barry Humerous piece in lighting BBQ
    PortlandFireTraining Video
    I wounder how the particular composite overwrap used behaves when saturated with liquid oxygen.

  15. Re:See? Stop BS conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every single other major space and even just military missile launching organization, from the Germans to the Russians.

  16. Re:See? Stop BS conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Super-chilled LOX is not used often, usually 'normal' LOX is used.

  17. Re:So... NOT sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because NASA = ULA, right?
    Moron.

  18. Re:So... NOT sabotage? by SpaceDave · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out... that's not NASA. The article specifically refers to "[SpaceX's] fierce competitor United Launch Alliance". I honestly can't imagine how anyone could misinterpret that to mean they were talking about NASA.

  19. Re: So... NOT sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They probably found the problem, but I would install high speed cameras covering every cm of the next bird and some extra internal sensors. I think the program prides itself on knowING what is happening, quick like a bunny.