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Self-Drive Delivery Van Can Be 'Built in Four Hours' (bbc.com)

A self-drive electric delivery van, that could be on UK streets next year, has been unveiled at the Wired 2016 conference in London. From a report on BBC:The vehicle's stripped-back design and lightweight materials mean it can be assembled by one person in four hours, the firm behind it claims. The vehicles will be "autonomous-ready", for when self-drive legislation is in place, the firm said. The government wants to see self-drive cars on the roads by 2020. "We find trucks today totally unacceptable. Loud, polluting and unfriendly," said Denis Sverdlov, chief executive of Charge, the automotive technology firm behind the truck. "We are making trucks the way they should be - affordable, elegant, quiet, clean and safe."

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  1. assembled...by a person? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What year is this? 2012?

  2. Assembled in four hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fat chance. I've bought a dozen things at Ikea, not once has it taken less than 8.

    1. Re:Assembled in four hours? by slashrio · · Score: 2

      Then maybe it's you? ;-)

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  3. Ikea? by martinX · · Score: 1

    If it's made by Ikea, that should read 'The vehicle's stripped-back design and lightweight materials mean it can be assembled by one person in "four hours". It took my wife and I 16 hours, got half way through and had to go back a bunch of steps, we lost some parts and no we're seeking marriage counselling.'

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  4. no pictures yet by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm always a little skeptical of any of these articles that don't even include the picture of a prototype vehicle, only computer renderings. Anyone can talk like this and show a computer rendering. Getting from there to a working vehicle actually driving around and being mass produced is a rather large challenge.

    We see so many press releases like this, wake me up when at least a prototype is driving around.

    1. Re:no pictures yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bullshit detector is correctly calibrated all functions nominal.

  5. Such bullshit. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    2 shifts, 10 people (Brits at that) each, 10,000 trucks/year.

    Self driving software, done in house, _ready_ to be uploaded as soon as it's legal.

    No prototype, only CGI of poorly thought out 'trucks'. which will cost the same as gasoline/diesel cars, they promise.

    Self righteous ass in charge: "We find trucks today totally unacceptable. Loud, polluting and unfriendly,"

    So much bullshit. A British /.er should go by their mail drop/fake office and kick the lead grifter square in the nuts.

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    1. Re:Such bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A British /.er should go by their mail drop/fake office and kick the lead grifter square in the nuts.

      It might be long wait. There's many above him on the British most-deserving-of-a-nut-kicking list.

  6. Built in 4 hours by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    and crash in 3

    1. Re:Built in 4 hours by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      That brings up a point about cargo only autonomous vehicles. They should not require all the safety features that passenger vehicles have to protect passengers. They don't need entertainment systems or comfy interiors, etc. That could significantly cut cost and reduce manufacturing time, but hard to think as much as the overly optimistic statement of the subject article.

    2. Re:Built in 4 hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, no need for airbags or crumple zones, make the whole thing crumple at the slightest hit so its safer for other cars. Would be fun to play chicken with it and watch it drive into the ditch.

    3. Re:Built in 4 hours by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It could basically be a tractor-trailer trailer with an engine, I guess.

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    4. Re:Built in 4 hours by slashrio · · Score: 1

      ...not require all the safety features...

      Yeah, and crash into a passenger van, killing 9 persons.

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  7. 4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    I used to assemble industrial sized) printers and I got pretty good at it after a couple of years. Even still, I could barely finish 8 in a day if I really (and I mean REALLY) hustled and all of the parts were in spec and ready to go.

    4 hours seems kind of optimistic to me for a car. I would think that just the wiring alone would take at least that long.

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    1. Re:4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is a question how the parts are already prepared.
      If you can bolt ready made wheels on the axes it is obviously fater than if you have to put the tires on the wheels first, etc.

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    2. Re:4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      For English 'workers'. Four hours if 'assembly' amounts to putting on the wheels (tires already mounted) and driving it to the done lot.

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    3. Re:4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Will that improve after the BREXIT?

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    4. Re:4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think someone extrapolated. The artical said IIRC 1000 units from a 10man team over the course of a year. which is 1 unit per 3.652425 man days. I read a fiction thing that a car typicallly takes 48 hours to assemble IIRC. so the team there is a bit slow. also this likely does not include additional people making parts, shipping them, making sub-assemlies from the parts and shipping thos yadda yadda yadda.

    5. Re: 4 hours of assembly time? yeah.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The figure is 10,000 a year from a ten person team to manufacture, ready for on-site assembly, the latter to take four hours

  8. up to 100 Miles range? may work for some delivery by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    up to 100 Miles range? may work for some deliverys but if say the hub is 20-15 miles out side of the city core that may be to small of a range.

  9. Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go to the actual article and you see not a prototype, not a mockup, but concept art.

    Could a single trained technician with the proper tools (hoist, lift, etc.) assemble a truck from modular, prefabricated parts in four hours? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Especially when a typical kit car requires 80-100 hours to build yourself.

    This is pie-in-the-sky fluff to pimp to investors.

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    1. Re:Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not sure that's what they are claiming.

      They claim that two shifts of 10 people each working a year will make 10,000 trucks. That's about 4 person hours/truck.

      They are assuming majic automation in the factory. For a truck with no prototype, they likely also have a factory with no design, thought up by a person with no manufacturing experience, claiming production numbers that still smell of the dark place they came from.

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    2. Re:Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, if they were assuming magic automation, they'd have said the trucks self-assemble instantaneously, since a fully-automated factory works out to 0 person hours/truck.

    3. Re:Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, I hope the production model comes with a seat, steering wheel, windshield wipers, doors, and other little details until the computer can run it someday, unlike their artwork. The Apple of trucks...none of those annoying bits getting in the way cluttering things up :O

      If they are talking about production of 4 hours, i have no clue what a current car/truck is, so rather meaningless.

      I learned to Photoshop...give me big bucks please! ...better be unmanned, it looks like a death trap. Since they only have artwork they probably won't be ready til after 2020 and self drive anyway. Get back to me in 2019...

    4. Re:Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you r a whoreeee

    5. Re: Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a typical 37 hours per week, ten people equals about 15000 hours per year, so that means 1.5 per truck.

    6. Re: Just ask his wife, Morgan Fairchild! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Two shifts.

      Working your math backwards, I get 40.5 working weeks/year? A factory doesn't take vacation in England...not like France, Brits spread the vacation around the workforce and keep the factories running (such as they do). Holidays take a bite, but not 12 weeks.

      Being manufactures they would lose another bite to regular retooling. But I'm sure this dweeb assumes they will have a perfect design, day 1, and retooling is just reprogramming the CNCs and 3d printers.

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  10. Won't work by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    You won't see commercially available self driving cars on public roads for another 20 years at least. The technology isn't there, despite the VC hype.

    1. Re:Won't work by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Highway only will happen. But they will have a driver in the cab for everything off divided highways. It will be the end of 'driving teams', one driver will keep it rolling 24x7.

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    2. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do everyone a favor and avoid posting your hyped "facts." At this point, you know dick about any of this.

    3. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is in fact a self driving minibus doing rounds in Helsinki Finland, on a public road, no driver seat.They did limit the speed and they follow a defined route but its there you can hop on and take a ride.

    4. Re:Won't work by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I know that has already happened. All that's required is DOT approval to log hours in automated mode (differently/as rest), which will take a decade+, easy.

      Might end up with 'truck trains', only the first trucks driver is 'driving', the remainder 'resting'.

      Highway driving is the simple problem, especially when you can just fallback to human driver when the conditions go to shit or the road is anything other than divided highway with sane traffic (e.g. not in Boston). Than you are just looking at the economics of losing anything past 8/12 hours manual drive/day when conditions are bad vs. not paying the second driver all year.

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    5. Re:Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highway driving is done. The only thing left is to stop cutting corners on cameras/sensors so the Tesla can see that the "underpass" it's about to go under is actually only 3 feet up. Otherwise, it can stay on the road and avoid changing lanes into other cars.

  11. Automatic bomb delivery without the martyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read this and it actually scared me quite a bit. This has to be a big concern going forward, even if it took a group of people 4 hours to put it together...

  12. Unbelievable bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    affordable, elegant, quiet, clean and safe

    Nope, nope, nope, nope, and nope. They'll break down all the time (because they're made as cheap as possible), they'll be an ugly blight, they might be quiet -- until they break down, crash into something (or someone), or flat-out explode, they'll leave a mess after the inevitable accidents (parts, fluids, blood, shit, etc), and they'll cause accidents, kill people, destroy property, and generally become a gigantic nuisance. Guaranteed.

    ..assembled in 4 hours

    LOL no, that's laughable. Regardless of how long, it'll likely be with unskilled, non-english-speaking, cheap-as-possible labor, there'll be only the most minimal inspections, and the main focus will be 'get as many out the door as possible in the shortest amount of time possible, get paid as soon as possible, and move the funds to offshore accounts immediately, and always keep the go-bags ready and on hand for when the whole scam starts going south on us'. Wecome to 2016/2017, everyone! So-called 'self driving' vehicles are the new Snake Oil.

    When are you people going to learn? So-called 'autonomous' vehicles are going to be the biggest bullshit scam ever, and accidents will go UP, not DOWN because of them, and no one will be held accountable, it'll all get dodged by platoons or lawyers because no one was at the goddamned wheel. Better keep your driving license up-to-date, you're going to need it for a long, long time to come.

    1. Re: Unbelievable bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be interesting to find out whether it would be road legal after assembly or would need a certification like an MOT first.

  13. Give me ONE example of autonomous driving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have not found, anywhere in any literature or on any web site, a single example of a car being handed to an independent tester for autonomous driving on roads of their choosing.

    This seems to be one of the biggest pieces of vaporware in technological history.

    And it's always due sometime next year.

    Bullshit.

  14. Think Amazon by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and the death of brick and mortar. That's what these sorts of cheap, short range electric cars are for.

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  15. Re: improves after the BREXIT? by slashrio · · Score: 2

    Of course it will. Everything will improve after the Brexit.

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  16. There's no good reason for it to not be possible. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If the vehicle is sufficiently simplified, then it should be possible to "build" a vehicle in four hours. We're talking about an EV, right? It's just modules, you bolt them down and plug them together and you're done. If it has MacPherson suspension at all four corners (or something even simpler, like a torsion bar rear) then the total number of connections which must be torqued down is small enough to where it's feasible. If all the switch gear and instrumentation is packaged in modules that are just slapped in, and you don't count the time to bundle the modules, then sure. It's quite possible.

    If you count the total man-hours provided by third-party suppliers, you will come up with a whole lot more than four. But you could reasonably get it down to four hours of labor to assemble all the modules after unpacking them if your interior were made up of eight or ten pieces total (which is feasible) and so on.

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  17. I don't think they've thought about it. by Computershack · · Score: 2
    "We find trucks today totally unacceptable. Loud, polluting and unfriendly," said Denis Sverdlov, chief executive of Charge, the automotive technology firm behind the truck. "We are making trucks the way they should be - affordable, elegant, quiet, clean and safe."

    So his solution is to replace a truck with 28 of these vans which is what it would take to carry the same load as a single articulated lorry. I'm sure that is way better.

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    1. Re: I don't think they've thought about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's the use case. I think it is local delivery vans in cities where pollution is an issue. Renault makes a versions of its Kangoo van in electric form, including an extended length one, which would cover some of this, but you do see some much larger trucks (but not huge) delivering washing machines or other similarly sized items to stores.

      I get my groceries delivered which come in a medium sized vehicle, and an electric vehicle might be able to fulfill that, but it might be a bit short of range for a full duty cycle which is probably two person shifts per day (about 16 hours), given the delivery slots available.

  18. Re: up to 100 Miles range? may work for some deliv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would work to drop off items to small shops from a nearby distribution centre twice a day.

    More likely I expect the use case would be taking items from a fulfillment centre or warehouse, containing a variety of items, to a pickup centre local to those people that have ordered things. I'd anticipate that ultimately each end would also be automated.

  19. Re: improves after the BREXIT? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Hm, the british food (as in restaurants, unless they serve french or indian) is claimed to be beyond improvement.

    Anyway: thumbs up!

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