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Turkey Doubles Down On Censorship With Block On VPNs, Tor (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: In what's a significant escalation in its censorship efforts, the Turkish government now wants to block the very same tools that tech-savvy citizens use to get around the government-imposed social media blocks. On Friday, the Turkish information technologies and communications authority, or BTK, ordered internet providers in the country to block Tor and several other censorship-circumvention Virtual Private Networks or VPNs, such as VPN Master, Hotspot Shield, Psiphon, Zenmate, TunnelBear, Zero, Vypr, Express, according to multiple local reports. Earlier in the day, the government had already blocked Twitter, Facebook and YouTube, and restrictions on messaging apps like WhatsApp and Skype were also reported. The independent monitoring organization TurkeyBlocks also reported throttling and other forms of censorship on Friday, linking the disruptions and blocks to the arrests of pro-Kurdish party leaders.

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  1. Goodbye democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello dictatorship. :(

    1. Re:Goodbye democracy by campuscodi · · Score: 2

      Said Turkish teens in 2012, probably earlier. This is not new.

    2. Re:Goodbye democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democracy died a long time ago in Turkey when Erdogan took power. He has supressed the military who were the only force trying to keep democracy in place.

    3. Re:Goodbye democracy by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      And this is the government that kept up a pretense of wanting to join the EU.

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    4. Re:Goodbye democracy by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      No, this was the government that really wanted to join the eu but gave up.

    5. Re:Goodbye democracy by gweihir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Turkey is going int full-blown religious fascism at this time. Next step introduction of a death-penalty, and you can bet it will be applied for anybody accuses of "anti-government activity", "insulting the president", and the like. With the current state of the prisons and the number of people in there, that the government does not like, they already effectively have concentration-camps.

      The only good thing is that this way, they will not get to be part of the EU anytime soon. They will have to come back out of the darkness first, and that takes a long, long time, and currently they are very intent on going much deeper into evil.

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    6. Re:Goodbye democracy by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Probably. It is also the government that never understood what joining the EU means and that it is not only about economics.

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    7. Re: Goodbye democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No this is the government that just wanted to use the money the EU gave them to "prepare for membership" to prepare for dictatorship.

    8. Re:Goodbye democracy by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I think if Europe had a better understanding of what kind of a cutthroat political game is going on there they would have been more patient and less biased(current bias is against AKP and Erdogan, and for Gulen , the Kurdish resistance in Iraq/Syria and all the opponents of Erdogan).
      European bias is a turnoff for the Turks I think. Hard to admonish the Turks for going overboard now when you can't even acknowledge there has been a coup.
      So Europe is also giving up leverage. I think that's stupid, in the sense it's not in europe's interest.

    9. Re:Goodbye democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Turkey ... the government ... they ... they ... They ... they"

      they?

    10. Re:Goodbye democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be more precise, in your second paragraph it isn't clear if your still talking about the current party or the country's citizens.

    11. Re:Goodbye democracy by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Turkey is going int full-blown religious fascism at this time. Next step introduction of a death-penalty, and you can bet it will be applied for anybody accuses of "anti-government activity", "insulting the president", and the like. With the current state of the prisons and the number of people in there, that the government does not like, they already effectively have concentration-camps.

      The only good thing is that this way, they will not get to be part of the EU anytime soon. They will have to come back out of the darkness first, and that takes a long, long time, and currently they are very intent on going much deeper into evil.

      The death penalty is in effect. Jail a dissident, and suddenly, for no reason, he dies in prison.

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  2. I appreciate the country is on a war footing ... by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... but even IS confiscating all phones and computers has failed to cut the population completely from the outside world. The actions of the Turkish authorities are leading them down a slippery slope to a total, hated police-state.

  3. Isn't it great by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't it great that we live in the US, where we have freedom of the press.

    The press is free to report on any story without worrying about how the government will react. They are free to cover both sides of a story, to give a different perspective, and not have to worry about what the people in charge will do.

    The press is also free to leak information which would paint the government in a bad light, and which might uncover corruption, collusion, or crime. Additionally, the press isn't liable for publishing this information, as the pentagon papers have clearly shown. (Here I'm making a distinction between "publishing" and "getting". Just publishing, without addressing how the information was obtained, is allowed.)

    There's also a strong sense of "protect your sources" in the mainstream media, so that anyone can feel safe identifying themselves to members of the press as they pass information.

    Living in the US is great, because we have freedom of the press.

    Yay.

    1. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just worry about what the DNC will do to them.

      Having watched this same pattern with other countries in that area for the past few years I expect people with guns storming cities soon.

    2. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather be living in Liberia than the fucking US. The day I turn 18 I'm getting the fuck out of here. Fuck this country.

    3. Re:Isn't it great by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, these things are all true today. Next year, who knows?

      Trump threatens to weaken First Amendment protections for reporters

      Donald Trump vows to "open up" libel laws to make suing the media easier.

      "With me, they're not protected, because I'm not like other people. We're gonna open up those libel laws, folks, and we're gonna have people sue you like you never got sued before."

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    4. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For $5K you can get a Zimbabwe passport. I'm gonna start a gofundme page and raise the money. The day I get it I'm walking right into the US embassy and shoving mine in their face. Fuck them.

    5. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, they DO do those things but it's illegal for anyone to talk about it.

    6. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as opposed to the status quo where we give the media free reign to use their platforms to sugarcoat the politics they want us supporting.

      It's a really shitty choice.

    7. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once I get the passport I'll live in South Africa cuz they speak English there (I don't speak African).

    8. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what they report is true, it's not libel(*)

      If they lie, it can be libel.

      Maybe reporters would become real reporters again as opposed to op-ed bloggers falsely framed as reporters.

      (*) Technically, truth is not always a complete defense.

    9. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The [US] press is free to report on any story without worrying about how the government will react.

      Except when, for example, the NYT joins in with the US government to deliberately lie about starting the Iraq war, or the NYT cooperates with the US government to hide the news that the US government is monitoring every single American in the US...

    10. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the United States, truth is not only a defense to libel claims, it is in fact a burden of the plaintiff to prove falsehood. This is quite different from the UK.

    11. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Isn't it great that we live in the US, where we have freedom of the press."

      Damn, I was expecting a "NO CARRIER" message following the first sentence. Or at least a +5 Funny. Wait, you mean you're serious?

    12. Re:Isn't it great by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Can you take the rest of the ACs with you? The Mugabe relatives who now own the farms over there need people who can do forced labor.

    13. Re:Isn't it great by johanw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you talking about the same US that shoots journalists who interview someone who isn;t liked by the government?

      https://www.facebook.com/erins...

    14. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Can you take the rest of the ACs with you?"

      And that's the smell of freedom in the morning.

    15. Re: Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No other country wants your ridiculous ass. They will send you right back.

    16. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once I get the passport I'll live in South Africa cuz they speak English there (I don't speak African).

      Please stay out of Britain then. You clearly can't speak British.

    17. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider moving to New Hampshire instead. We can fix the problem in large part. There is this thing called the Free State Project which is a migration of liberty-minded freedom loving folks wishing to end the tyranny in the state of NH and eventually secede from the United States. It's all about elimination of government at all levels and decentralization. The idea is give people control over there money and lives back. We don't need government welfare programs or introduction programs (public schools). We're not against charity- but as has been the case in the past each individual volunteered about 10% of there income to charity rather than the state forcefully and violently stealing it for charitable purposes. I should point out that the goal of actual or real and principled libertarians (not what libertarians are or are reported to be nationally) is that government should not utilize violence and coercion to achieve political or social goals. Which basically means taxes and almost all laws except those which involve prohibitions on non-voluntary violence, fraud, theft, and coercion are immoral and should be repealed. So drivers licenses (no one should require permission from the state to operate a vehicle or run a business), copy'right' (it's and artificial construct that in practice benefits a wealthy elite and requires violence to enforce), and laws against what drugs one can ingest should be repealed for example.

      While the more realistic short term prospects are to have a disproportionate impact at the state level of politics via an overly active minority (liberty-loving folks) the long term prospects go up should we get enough people to move. I'm here now and we're having successes in various areas. We've got liberty-loving folks elected at all levels of state and local government, we've got the biggest community in the world of BitCoin/cryptocurrency non-fed controlled money with businesses accepting them and start-ups in this and other areas including GNU/Linux and freedom at a technology level (think about gaining control over your computer and eliminating the backdoors that the US and other governments have begun inserting into critical components like Intel/AMD CPUs, China's got similar issues with home grown systems, but it's not in the CPU itself like it is with AMD/Intel CPUs).

      Check out: http://www.freestateproject.org/ and http://www.freekeene.com/ http://www.freetalklive.com/ http://www.shiresociety.com/

    18. Re: Isn't it great by Frankzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With your country being nr. 41 on the list of press freedom I'd say you can't really claim to be that free... Granted compared to Turkey you absolutely are, but then again few nations manage the opposite..

    19. Re:Isn't it great by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      "We don't need any frickin' State."

      ...

      "Oh, sorry, what we really meant was, 'We'll go start our own State---with blackjack, and hookers!'"

      ...

      "Well... okay... We were just kidding about the blackjack and hookers."

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    20. Re: Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With your country being nr. 41 on the list of press freedom I'd say you can't really claim to be that free... Granted compared to Turkey you absolutely are, but then again few nations manage the opposite"

      And yet the OP gets modded up insightful? more like funny

    21. Re: Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just made a list of press freedoms by country and your country was ranked 5,391. So your argument has been refuted with facts.

    22. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's your freedom. Bang!

    23. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you don't mess with Peter Thiel, then yes, you are free to say whatever you want.

    24. Re:Isn't it great by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      True, the press is free to report whatever they want. However, in practice, they are hugely biased and only report what they want us to see. The current election has caused them to drop the last pretense of reporting the news as it happens and go full Hillary. CNN is the Clinton News Network. The other mainstream media are all solidly behind Hillary as well. Don't think the people haven't noticed, because we have.

      The last 8 years of Obama we have had a pro-government media which is a great tragedy. There are so many administration officials that are obviously corrupt and their scalps are ready to be nailed to the wall of journalists' offices. They won't investigate, because they're simpatico with Obama's left-wing politics.

      Which is worse, a press repressed by a government, or a free press that refuses to report stories because they might be helpful to the enemy political party?

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    25. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a weird post, not sure if you were being sarcastic or what?

      The same applies to most of the Western world, not just the USA.

      The USA is arguably weaker because most of the mainstream media is owned by only a few people who get to define the tone of the conversation.

    26. Re:Isn't it great by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      Dammit.The indicator needle on my sarcasmometer broke off. Thankyouverymuch :-(

    27. Re:Isn't it great by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      Considering the crap that the "press" has pushed in just the last year? They sure could use some opening up. See Rolling Stone/UVA, other false claims and then we can start with the media hit pieces which are claimed to be news stories, but are in-fact opinion. Then again, this is the same media with reporters running around flapping their arms that the Hogan trial would cause the end of reporting because someone with enough capital could back someone else's lawsuit against Gawker. And how it was "all going to destroy the 1st amendment." Ask yourself how many times in the last 2 weeks you've run across news articles that are false, and you know they're false because the organization in question which claims to employ journalists fails to do basic fact-checking so they're the first ones out of the gate for those sweet-sweet-ad-clicks. If you said "you haven't seen one" you're not paying attention to the news, or doing even basic research.

      It's the same reason why the trust of the press, journalists, and large media outlets is between 8-18%.

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    28. Re:Isn't it great by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, if you take into account who owns most of the press and what kind of stories most people actually get to say, I would say this is more a theoretical situation than actual reality.

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    29. Re:Isn't it great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hillary wanted to drone-strike Assange.

      It's bad either road you take.

    30. Re: Isn't it great by Raenex · · Score: 1

      With your country being nr. 41 on the list of press freedom I'd say you can't really claim to be that free...

      Funny that many of the countries where press freedom is ranked higher than the US have stricter laws about things like "hate speech". I'll take the United States protection of free speech over any of those countries.

  4. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erdogan is a faithful NATO ally, while Putin is an evil KGB spy!

    1. Re:Don't worry by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If someone told me that NATO could dump Turkey and support a Kurdish state instead, I'd probably be for it. Right now they're one of the more moderate Muslim groups in the Middle East and they have been crapped on by every country in which their ethnic group resides to some degree. There's little doubt that Erdogan is a dictator now and his actions will seriously set Turkey back to the point where it's not worth keeping them around. Russia probably wouldn't object to the plan since it would let the push Turkey around a lot more due to a lack of NATO backing and having Kurdistan would still allow for a NATO presence in the region.

      It seems like this is a plan that everyone could get on board with. Syria and Iraq have some serious territorial integrity problems right now with ISIS, so they can hardly complain. Iran probably wouldn't go for it without some concessions, but they might do it just to spite some of their neighbors or if embargoes were lifted. Turkey obviously wouldn't like it, but since they're well on the way to becoming a complete despotic shithole, I don't think we should care at this point.

    2. Re:Don't worry by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Given a choice between Erdogan's neo-Ottomanism and the Kurds' moderate progressivism, it's a slam dunk.

      And it's about time the Kurds had their own country in any event. Maybe when Turkey considers an alternative to making everyone within their current borders "Turkish" whether they like it or not, we can talk about that EU thing again.

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    3. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the creation of a Kurdish state supported by the US and Turkey and including only the Kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria would be a great win for all the parties involved. First order of the day, would be for the new state to sign an agreement with Turkey recognizing the border and promising not to challenge it. The new Kurdish state would not be allowed to invest very heavily in its armed forces so the US could place some strategic bases there in exchange for full protection.

      But let's not get carried away here. There is no real progressive movement in that part of the world. The fall-out from the Arab spring movement shows the damage of the power vacuum left by the US. We should only tolerate democracy if these countries are playing ball. Otherwise, I would much rather see a dictator (friendly to us, of course) running the show there.

    4. Re:Don't worry by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      They already did it in the past, they removed greeks and armenians. They didn't do it to kurds only because they were fellow muslims and they needed their support for greek/armenian massacre. All people who are called turks in Turkey are of armenian/greek ancestry, and the only reason they didn't change state culture to greek or armenian and went with genocide instead is to allow old ottoman elites to remain in power.

    5. Re:Don't worry by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Turkey want to do with the Kurds the same way they did with the Armenians over a century ago.

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    6. Re:Don't worry by MTEK · · Score: 1

      We're in an era where moderate politics is a vacuum waiting to be filled. Probably not a good time to do anything in haste. Besides, the U.S. has adversaries who would just love to partner up with Turkey if it means an opportunity to destabilize relations in the west. So humiliating Turkey by kicking them out of NATO would absolutely backfire. Not to mention Turkey is a supplier of the F-35 center fuselage and committed to buying 116 of the aircraft... An arrangement that would get awkward pretty quick.

      The only thing Washington and Brussels can do is sit on their hands and maybe raise concern every now and then. The rest is up to the Turkish people.

    7. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the political vacuum is just starting. The US and more importantly the US public don't give a damn about Turkey or any other country in that region. But that attitude is the same for every on-going conflict around the world.

      We also live in an era where political activists and social justice warriors only fight against the countries capable of stopping the ongoing madness while ignoring those who are actually perpetuating the violence and chaos.
      It's one thing to blame all the bad in the world on US foreign policy but just voicing that opinion is not going to solve any problems. Those quickest to search out some one to blame are also the slowest of offering any solutions.

  5. Turkey in EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go away. You're a backwards Arab dictatorship. We don't want you here.

    1. Re: Turkey in EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for you to decide. Know your place.

    2. Re: Turkey in EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not an EU citizen, then you're cordially invited to pop open a can of STFU.

    3. Re: Turkey in EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a loyal citizen of the European Union and yes, I know my place. What about you? I strongly doubt you can make an informed decision in place of the European Commission. Are you a populist? Maybe the authorities should investigate.

  6. NATO? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Just shows what NATO has been allowed to become with Turkey as a member. Basically an empty arms and munitions sales club with total disregard for how those arms and munitions are used. Supply them to terrorists, not a problem, let sex slavers use them to take over towns and cities leading to a million rapes (let them kill themselves till they tire of it - Hillary Clinton, I guess that's what those under age sex slaves do, tire of it and them kill themselves, no excuse the corporate whore knew exactly what was going on and still allowed arms and munitions to be sold for exactly that purpose), not a problem. Basically just war is good for business, sell, sell, sell.

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    1. Re:NATO? by swb · · Score: 1

      It was a cold war Faustian bargain for several strategic advantages.

      It provided control of the Bosphorous Straight, which would have bottled up the Soviet Navy in the Black Sea, depriving them of a southern and warm water port and easy access to the Mediterranean.

      It gave the US access to an airbase at Incirlik, which allowed for electronic eavesdropping on the Soviet southern border as well as a bomber route into the southern Soviet Union.

      It put a buffer between Russia and the oil fields of the middle east.

      Turkey also has weird, historical cultural ties to Russia. The Vikings who moved into Russia heavily influenced Russian development and moved down the Russian river system to Constantinople for trade, ultimately forming a kind of palace guard for the Eastern Empire, and they still share some of these ties in the form of the Orthodox church. It's maybe a stretch, but its not hard to see these kinds of ties turning into a Russian/Turkish alliance.

      Aligning Turkey with NATO disrupts this to some degree, and allows the Turks to instead focus on their more recent historical hegemony as a middle eastern power, valuable in an era when the Arab League was aligning itself as Soviet client states.

      At this moment in history, maybe Turkish membership in NATO feels like a mistake, but it's origin seemed fairly sound as a strategy. And who knows what would have happened if the Turks could have been convinced to find some accommodation with the Kurds, do a mea culpa on the Armenian genocide, and dial back a little on the authoritarianism. They may have gained EU membership and turned the corner towards their Roman roots instead of their Islamic roots.

      What does the middle east look like now if the past 25 years of Turkish culture was European facing rather than Islamic facing? Maybe a squeeze play on Syria when Hafez al-Assad dies in 2000, preventing Bashar al-Assad from consolidating power, which in turn undermines the Iran/Syria/Lebanon-Hezbollah axis? A lot of what-ifs, but had Turkey been flipped in the late 1980s/early 1990s to be a Euro-centric country, there would have been a model of Islamic moderation and modernity potentially disrupting so much of what has gone wrong and perpetuated the Middle Eastern mess.

  7. Re:I appreciate the country is on a war footing .. by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    leading down? Turkey were way down that road long before this was announced.

  8. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more countries try to ban Tor, the more new methods are invented and tested in order to access the network through such attempted censorship.

    So, you go Turkey, have some fun! The Tor Project and it's users will ultimately benefit!

    1. Re:Good! by Falos · · Score: 1

      >Turkey Doubles Down On Censorship With Attempted Block
      FTFY.

  9. Too late, Turkey by PPH · · Score: 1

    We're going ahead with Thanksgiving.

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  10. TOR borked, Turkey borled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tor is supposed to hide among normal traffic, but its been so badly backdoored, it really doesn't.
    Turkey coup had a wider purpose, and you should not ignore the threat to a NATO partner or the control Putin exerts with control of that oil pipeline to Turkey.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/putins-sinister-role-failed-turkish-coup/

    Perhaps he'll even get control of the biggest NATO country with Donaldsky Trumpsky.

  11. Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by jonwil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ataturk would be spinning in his grave if he knew of the things Erdogan has done to the country.

    1. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most unfortunate part is, a majority of Turks would probably say they support Erdogan because they have been blinded by the stupidity that is religion, and particularly Islam.

    2. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      666 in hebrew (side ways because its on a flag) looks just like the word Islam.

      The bible predicted islam, it is 666.

    3. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by gweihir · · Score: 2

      I expect that Ataturk knew this would likely be coming and tried very hard to prevent it. He has failed, unfortunately. A modern Turkey is a thing that is not going to happen anytime soon. They are going straight back to the dark ages and a large part of the population is cheering this move onwards.

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    4. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

      Well, Ataturk tried to forcibly reform Turkey into a western style country through a dictatorship. He was always in favour of democracy ... in the future, knowing full well that he hadn't built any real support amongst the people for his plan but betting that over time the culture would change. Seems like he lost that bet.

    5. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by Altrag · · Score: 1

      I don't really know anything about Ataturk, but just in general converting to a democracy is actually kind of hard. Telling someone that what they've known their entire life is wrong or bad can be pretty jarring, especially when their politics and religion is all mashed together to the point that democracy could almost appear to be denying God's will since many non-secular dictators tend to suggest that their power is granted to them by God.

      And even if you switch to a democracy, you immediately need to guard against is voting in a prime minister (or president, depending on your setup) who just grabs all power for himself and decides that the next election will be "some day," effectively leaving you with a new dictatorship and a coat of paint over it. There's a lot of "democracies" in the world even today that fit this model.

      The only real way to prevent this, at least it seems, is to have a benevolent dictator open up the lower ranks of government to open vote but still retain the ultimate power to override anything stupid that gets done, until such time as both the politicians and the people realize what their roles are in the new society and then the dictator can vacate.

      That's no easy task either. Benevolent dictators are few and far between at the best of times, and we're talking a scale of a couple generations give or take -- which is only like 5 or 10 election cycles under the US' 4 year cycle length. Even if you have a benevolent dictator at the start, they've got to either survive that long or be able to hand the reigns over to someone who shares the same mentality.

      The US itself gets to be a bit of a special case because they sort of had a "benevolent" dictator in the form of the British government (benevolence in that case mostly being due to sheer distance and inability to promptly squash troublemakers.) So as a country they appear to have started as a straight up democracy but historically its mostly just because nobody called them a separate country during the lead-up period.

    6. Re:Ataturk would be spinning in his grave by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The most unfortunate part is, a majority of Turks would probably say they support Erdogan because they have been blinded by the stupidity that is religion, and particularly Islam.

      Actually, it's a combination of religion and ethnicity. The Turkic race is one that encompasses several historic dynasties - and it's this pan nationalism that Erdogan has been driving. Ataturk was more like a Tsar Peter the Great of Russia in wanting to have Turkey made more Western: he replaced the Arabic script w/ Roman in writing Turkish, and did several things to substitute the cult of Islam w/ the cult of Ataturk. Instead, had he gotten the Turks to think like Europeans - particularly in being self critical, then Turkey would indeed have been culturally more a part of Europe than a part of dar ul Islam.

      Islam does play its part in this. For all practical purposes, the Turks don't have a distinct pre-Islamic history the way the Iranians have: in the pre Islamic period, they were either a part of Chinese or Sassanid or Mongol Empires. Also, after Iran became a Shi'ite country in the 16th century, the Turks were left the de facto leaders of the Sunni Islamic world, since the Arabs were pretty weak, and they even acquired the status of a caliphate. So that is a big source of pride for them, and a driving factor in Turkey forming a Sunni crescent w/ Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

  12. ssh by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Are they really, seriously, going to stop their people from doing ssh'ing to cloud servers? Because if they are, they won't have a high tech industry at all. I might have been in the market for freelance django developers, but not from Turkey apparently.

    1. Re:ssh by Skapare · · Score: 1

      One can launch an instance in AWS EC2 giving it userdata to start an OpenVPN process on a different port than the default of 1194 (which they might block) without the need for SSH. If they try to block AWS HTTPS access, then they break web site control access for a few thousand Turkey-based businesses.

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
    2. Re:ssh by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Agreed but the advantage of ssh is that it gives you a web proxy using no server configuration at all. A vanilla ubuntu t2.micro instance does the whole job out of the box.

  13. Turkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their country is well named.

  14. Isn't It Gilbert Grape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you D.A.R.E. to defy flag worship/hymns to the country before sports games or anywhere else in popular entertaiment.

    DAMN YOU SO AND SO, HOW DARE YOU MAKE US THINK? /mmmm more beer, more is better!

  15. Signal should not have dropped encrypted sms by johanw · · Score: 1

    Because internet is easy to block. SMS is far more difficult to block because it is used by all kinds of industrial hardware so blocking it can cause serious issues for thre regime as well. Encrypted SMS is required as a backup service.

    Fortunately the Turks can use the Signal fork Silence: https://silence.im/

  16. They'll just have to double down again. by bheerssen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is what happens when a government attempts to censor the internet. First, they start with a few "objectionable" sites. Then they expand the list. Then they clamp down on the workarounds that people use to accessed banned content. At some point, they'll have to either relent or go Full DPRK and cut off the external internet entirely.

    Never go Full DPRK.

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    1. Re:They'll just have to double down again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait till there's an official Turkey Crescent Linux build.

  17. Current NATO and future EU member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a farce

    1. Re: Current NATO and future EU member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for you to decide.

    2. Re: Current NATO and future EU member by Frankzy · · Score: 1

      Never going to be allowed into the EU

    3. Re:Current NATO and future EU member by johanw · · Score: 1

      Future EU member? Not in a VERY LONG time. The nationalistic parties that are gaining support in Europe are furiously against that.

    4. Re:Current NATO and future EU member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were actually on track only 5-10 years ago, but Erdogan derailed all that in the last few years and is cold heartedly taking his people back to the stone age. That's the problem when religion seeps into politics, especially "that" religion that I won't even dignify by naming.

    5. Re: Current NATO and future EU member by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Considering the garbage that some current EU countries are already pushing like midnight raids on people for wrongthink, and posting "hate speech." And the media being in the tank for particular view points? Seems like they'd get along really well.

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    6. Re:Current NATO and future EU member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah so they will be included soon. The current political climate is to do the opposite of what any nationalists want. After all, they must be wrong, they are nationalists.

    7. Re:Current NATO and future EU member by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      I don't think it was very likely to have succeeded. Turkey's occupation of Cyprus remained a sticking point. Similarly, Turkey couldn't join without Greece agreeing, and that wasn't likely to happen. With these complications, it's difficult to imagine how Turkey was ever on track?

      ErdoÄYan drove a wedge in to an already gaping chasm.

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  18. Human Rights Violation by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    Blocking encrypted speech over the Internet is a human rights violation. Those implementing the censorship are playing with the very rope that will hang themselves.

    1. Re:Human Rights Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the billions of brainwashed Chinese subjects who will jump at the first opportunity to defend their Internet-censorship regime with blood.

  19. Happens more than you know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heated Political Debates Banned From Part Of Long Island Hospital
    November 3, 2016 4:05 PM

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20...

  20. Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From Canada, and I sit with the Turks quite often on a video chat app with no problem. They are quite awesome people... lol just dont get fresh with their women and everything is fine. Ya... just don't get fresh with their women... ya. :)

  21. 1950's style writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the humor.

  22. Re:I appreciate the country is on a war footing .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, they should do it like we do in America. Require all the big companies to scan and funnel data to the government or provide you with important pieces of information whenever you ask. Then pass some laws so they're not allowed to tell you they're providing all this information to them. Then invite all the CEOs over to the Big House for lavish parties or recruit them to be your next big political appointee. Then watch the online dissenters drop like flies.

  23. use VPN over TCP 443 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're probably not blocking that one because they would break SSL.

    1. Re:use VPN over TCP 443 by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      They can still limit it to certain sites - or put a proxy in between that fakes the original certificate.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    2. Re:use VPN over TCP 443 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that possible? Assuming they don't have the private key for generating SSL certificates to impersonate the VPN service provider, is there another way to do this?

      Also how do they know to differentiate between VPN and other TCP 443 traffic?

  24. i2p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can they still use i2p ?

  25. Re: I appreciate the country is on a war footing . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already do.