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Music Torrent Site What.CD Has Been Shut Down (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: What.cd, an invite-only music torrent website first launched in 2007, has been shut down after a raid by French authorities. The private tracker offered free (and often illegal) access to a massive, deeply thorough collection of music and was popular among audiophiles for its strict rules around quality and file formats. The site was created after the shutdown of another well-known torrent website, Oink, which operated between 2004 and 2007. Though its primary focus was music sharing, What.cd also permitted torrents of computer software, ebooks, and other content. Zataz Magazine is reporting 12 servers that powered What.cd's infrastructure were seized by French cybercrime authorities. What.cd hasn't been taken offline completely, but torrents are unavailable and the homepage now displays a message confirming its demise: "Due to some recent events, What.CD is shutting down. We are not likely to return any time soon in our current form. All site and user data has been destroyed. So long, and thanks for all the fish."

86 comments

  1. I hope so by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All site and user data has been destroyed.

    I hope this statement is true (particularly the userdata part).

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    1. Re:I hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hope all you want, but that statement ain't true - it couldn't possibly be, unless they had *days* worth of advance notice during which to take 'precautions'.

      they had twelve servers and were raided. not only was the user data there and most likely confiscated for evidence, but also tons of source files for seed servers, server logs, and other data that was used to enforce the site's "rules".

    2. Re:I hope so by Cramer · · Score: 1

      It. Never. Is.

      (how can they ensure data has been destroyed on a server they no longer posses? It's not likely those machine have encrypted filesystems requiring human input at boot.)

    3. Re:I hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's entirely possible that they did in fact have notice, and that would actually explain some of the "oddities" the site experienced in the past month.

      The site was built with security in mind from day one, having been born out of the oink takedown. Now we'll see if the site admins did enough to stay safe. Here's hoping they did.

    4. Re:I hope so by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Your comment is simply insightful, but your sig is friggin' awesome!!!

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    5. Re:I hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking moron if you didn't anonymize both yourself and your userdata.
      If not, the police are coming for you.

    6. Re: I hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welp there goes the fucking internet. The most popular advertising network on the planet got shut down. FML and fuck you internet. Who needs it anyways?

    7. Re:I hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it couldn't possibly be, unless they had *days* worth of advance notice during which to take 'precautions'.

      Very rapid data destruction is possible (generally by having everything fully encrypted and securely deleting a master key). It's possibly the entire system had to be booted with the key provided via removable media, and that said removable media has been destroyed / all systems powered off during the raid..

      That said, I agree that this likely didn't happen.

    8. Re:I hope so by allo · · Score: 1

      Not every raid is: People with big weapons come in and take your servers, while you piss yourself.

      Some are more like "Shut down your stuff, unplug it and box it for us, we need to have a closer look later.

  2. Damn by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    So my 15 free leech tokens were for nought. :(

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    1. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have similar thoughts. On Monday night I ran across something I wanted to download so I went to WCD to use one of my remaining 13 tokens and the site was down. Now I'll have to find it elsewhere.

      What.CD was the largest collection of music ever assembled, anywhere, ever, in all of history. Humanity's star shines a little less brightly with the loss.

      I eagerly await what will rise in its place, and look forward to dedicating a seedbox to it (even if it's a cheapie)

  3. Dear music industry.. by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have no problem paying for music. I buy CDs sometimes still, i subscribe to a streaming service for casual listening.

    However, I lost my physical music collection. Please, please give me a complete option. One where I can download FLAC or WAV copies of the albums I love. Quality is important to me, and I can hear compression artifacts, especially below 256k MP3.

    Give me the ability to choose earlier releases. Where I can get copies of albums before crappy remasters (I am looking at you Megadeth/Dave Mustaine), where I can get copies from before the loudness wars

    Where I can get more obscure items, like old DJ mix sets that were excellent, but available nowhere. Now all you can find is the individual tracks without the Djs influence. Not the same.

    In other words, open your vault for a fair price and I will pay. Stop attempting to create artificial scarcity, and I will stop going to find my music elsewhere.

    What.cd, you will be missed. Hopefully someone will fill the gap. Even someone legitimate that will take my money.

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    1. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      rutracker.org is your friend comrade.. If you are a foreign comrade, please use a translator to sign up. You are welcome.

    2. Re:Dear music industry.. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      They don't care what you want, the business model is to create demand for a standardized product

    3. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been 12 years, and people are still complaining about the Rust In Peace remaster. I completely agree with you wbr1, but I still laughed out loud when I read that.

    4. Re:Dear music industry.. by wbr1 · · Score: 2

      It was terrible. The other remasters from them were bad but tolerable, that one sucked donkey balls.

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    5. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's hard to take you seriously when your entire post is one extended hipster gripe. If audiophiles hadn't convinced the world that quality was expensive in the 80's, you could have avoided all of this crap. Instead, people stopped caring about good sound because of self indulgent wieners like Mr. 'I hear Compression Artifacts below 256k...' This is why Apple can sell shit wireless headphones and dump the jack. This is why crappy sample-heavy DJ's dominate the charts, and why everything sounds the same in popular music. If you cared THAT much, you would have replaced the physical collection, but streaming was easy, stealing was cheap, and you were lazy.

    6. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an ignorant retarded dumbass, loudness has been jacked on Megadeth since day one.
      The remasters were just further jacked versions of original jacking.
      Nothing past the 80's survived jacking. And most of the 80's were jacked around too.
      Now go jackoff.

    7. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and there is nothing you can do about it.

      They can keep crushing quality sources like What.CD so you end up getting your free shit from ads-laden, malware-ridden hell holes full of 64Kbit sample rate goodness because disk space and bandwidth has non zero cost.

    8. Re: Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/92869

    9. Re:Dear music industry.. by houghi · · Score: 1

      You are complaining about things that are hard to find. Well, perhaps they don't want to sell it anymore.
      You can't blame them for loosing your physical music.

      Just because they have it, they have no obligation to sell it.

      A solution for you might be bandcamp. Often you pay what you like or a reasonable sum or nothing. You can verify pricing here http://bandcamp.com/pricing so you know how much goes to Bandcamp and the rest goes to the copyright holder. On Bandcamp that is often the band itself.

      Not sure if you are able to re-download your music, but then YOU are responsible for your download that you bought, so take backups. I am not going to the store and ask for new stuff just because my old stuff got destroyed.

      And quality? Download in Flac or Ogg Vorbis or anything else.

      The downside for me is that they use Paypall and finding music is not easy. Filtering is not fine enough for the amount of music available.

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    10. Re:Dear music industry.. by maelkum · · Score: 1

      If you're a registered user you can redownload the music as many times as you like, to as many devices as you want. Don't know about unregistered users.

      Also, you can pay without PayPal at least for some albums (AFAIK physical items still can only be paid for through PayPal).
      I look forward to the day when Bandcamp ditches PayPal (or makes it possible to pay for everything without going through them) as PayPal doesn't work more often than it does.

      I completely agree with you on the search functionality, though. It sucks big time: frequently the results are only partially related to what I was looking for, and not enough details are presented on the results page so you have to actually open each band, or album, site to see if it's what you want to listen to.
      I learned to follow the "Recommendations" - when a band I like recommends some other band on their page.

    11. Re:Dear music industry.. by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Just because they have it, they have no obligation to sell it.

      They wouldn't, but one might argue that the entire intent of copyright is to get them to provide it.

      And then if they chose to publish in a country which has copyright, then they become obligated, whereas prior to publishing, they were not obligated. They accepted the deal and have benefited from government-granted privilege. It's too late for backsies.

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    12. Re:Dear music industry.. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      However, I lost my physical music collection. Please, please give me a complete option. One where I can download FLAC or WAV copies of the albums I love. Quality is important to me, and I can hear compression artifacts, especially below 256k MP3.

      There are music stores that sell FLAC files. HDTracks does it, as did Pono (they lost their access to the collection when Apple bought the company behind the licensing I believe).

      And Pono's catalog was basically mostly ripped CDs. It was pricier - while you pay $10 for an album at iTunes, Pono charged $15 or so... Wonder if they found another supplier for lossless.

    13. Re:Dear music industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More sites pop up than you can possibly hope to take down, fuckface. Deal with it.

    14. Re:Dear music industry.. by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      Yes, it is a hipster gripe to have good ears and want decent quality. I do not think that monster cables, or tubes, or vinyl are better, but I have demonstrably sensitive ears. In a quiet environment I can notice a difference at this level. So can others.. at 320k its largely gone, but I do still notice one thing in long sessions.. ear fatigue. It at least seems more significant with compressed sources.

      Oh, I do not own a unicycle, sweaters, wear a moustache or funny hats. I am decidedly not a hipster. You OTOH seem like a shill....

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  4. invite-only by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who invited the cop?

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    1. Re:invite-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:invite-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the same asshole who invited Shkreli.

    3. Re:invite-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With over 150,000 members, it was one of the least exclusive private clubs in the genre.

    4. Re:invite-only by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      They admitted non-invites in if they could demonstrate a keen understanding of compression and formats by passing a test, apparently. I think you could take it on IRC even...

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    5. Re:invite-only by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about?? he's the guy that won't leak the new Wu Tang album.. Pharmaboy puts the bum in album!

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    6. Re:invite-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 50k (or was it 25k?) ever passed that interview, and that's over a period of 9 years with all of the information available online. For the largest music tracker on the planet, that's a piss in the ocean.

    7. Re:invite-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys problem is that you are NOT doing all your torrenting ENTIRELY WITHIN I2P + OnionCat, Tor + OnionCat, or Phantom.... and thus NEVER touching clearnet at all.
      What you don't get is that by using these anonymous overlay networks, if you NEVER touch clearnet, you can NEVER be found and shutdown.
      You can share and torrent ALL your files 24x7x365 freely and without fear.
      You can setup and run your own trackers, your own index sites, your own services of all kinds, etc.
      That's awesome!!!
      But you still don't get it.
      That's sad.
      NEVER TOUCH CLEARNET.
      SHARE AT WILL.

    8. Re:invite-only by allo · · Score: 1

      Why would the cop need an invite? Don't you think it's obvious what what.cd is? And if they don't find evidence, they can still return the server. A raid does not mean you have full evidence. If you had, you would not need to raid, but jail the owner right away.

    9. Re:invite-only by xvan · · Score: 1

      But the dark-net is SLOOOOOOOOOOW

    10. Re:invite-only by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Don't you think it's obvious what what.cd is?

      No! Why the hell should it be obvious? The name would be a seriously bullshit pretext for knocking the doors down. If they had enough 'evidence' to conduct a raid, it's because a little birdie sang. And lack of evidence is no guarantee you'll get your server back. Maybe France is more civilized in that regard, I wouldn't know, but in most places you can forget about seeing your computer ever again, even after the charges are dismissed.

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    11. Re:invite-only by allo · · Score: 1

      > Why the hell should it be obvious?
      Ask many non-members, who knew it.

    12. Re:invite-only by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Suspicion is not knowledge. They may have heard of it from a member.

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    13. Re:invite-only by allo · · Score: 1

      Which is no problem, as an charge is not a conviction. Being in court does not mean being guilty. But if there are some signs you may be guilty, it may be a reason to have a look on your server. You will get it back, if no guilt can be proven. Which may be proven with stuff on the server or on other ways.

    14. Re:invite-only by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Which is no problem, as an charge is not a conviction. Being in court does not mean being guilty.

      Great! How do I get my time and money back? You ever been dragged through the system on bogus charges? You make it sound so upright and civilized. I can assure you it isn't.

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    15. Re:invite-only by allo · · Score: 1

      I do not say, i think it's good that way (i did not say the opposite, too). I just say, a plausible suspicition may be enough to raid the server, even when they never saw what the site really hosted. If the server uses good encryption, it may be hard to prove anything. But the owner may not want to continue the project later, anyway.

    16. Re:invite-only by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      plausible suspicition

      Sorry, sets off too many alarms. We need to protect ourselves from that kind of crap. We are dealing with psychopathic authority, and the only proper solution is just not palatable to most people.

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  5. Re: Just pay the Royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sites like Pandora can't survive on ads alone because royalties are too high. They have to get subscriptions. And, they can't get every artist to let them stream.

    Whatever though. Downloading music for free is still so very easy. YouTube alone has pretty much every song on it.

  6. See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This wouldn't be an issue if they tried to improve the actual filesharing protocols for better sharing/privacy/distributeness instead of wasting resources on their little castle plus thuosands of seedbox idling while trying to get some ratio.

    1. Re:See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      why aren't you working to improve the filesharing protocols instead of posting on /.

    2. Re:See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have dedicated and hard working staff to act as curators, you wind up with a huge steaming pile of shit. You're way too young to remember it, but that's what it was like before torrents came along.

    3. Re:See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost anyone can curate data, and keeps things nice. Go see wikibeggia.

      How many expert network programmers that also deal with high frequency transactions do you know, smartass? And of those, how many will work on a community project on their own time?

  7. Just in time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curiously, the tracker went down only a couple hours after the new Metallica album showed up on the site.
    Coincidence?
    LAAAAAAAARS!

    1. Re:Just in time. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Curiously, the tracker went down only a couple hours after the new Metallica album showed up on the site.
      Coincidence?
      LAAAAAAAARS!

      Money gooood!

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  8. Legalize noncommercial infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Legalize noncommercial infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would not help in this case, or many (most) of the similar site "closures" -- as they make money off ads, or user fees or "donations" and the like... thus, their seeding or otherwise offering content for download, or even aggregating links to it, is commercial in nature. the courts in many jurisdictions have already determined that much.

    2. Re:Legalize noncommercial infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would however permit a nonprofit to do it. Just don't make money off it and you're good to go.

      That would probably be for the best anyway. The ads on sites like piratebay are definitely pretty shady.

    3. Re:Legalize noncommercial infringement by allo · · Score: 1

      And this would stop, because ad driven sites would not have a chance, if everyone could host a site without much risk. What.cd was only big, because it is a risky business.

  9. serves them right! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've kept telling "What.CD" that they needed to correct their colossal grammar error and move to "Which.CD" but they just laughed at me. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, YOU JERKS?! ;)

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  10. Support piracy for the good of humanity by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    The media industry is a parasite. Bankrupt them by downloading their horrible music, movies and video games.

    Soon you, too, will realize that modern life and its mass-culture products are empty of meaning.

    1. Re:Support piracy for the good of humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon you, too, will realize that modern life and its mass-culture products are empty of meaning.

      Already did, that's why I exclusively listen to vaporwave.

    2. Re:Support piracy for the good of humanity by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      But please, while sticking it to the huge megacorporation labels, remember to support the independent musicians and labels that actually learned something from the Napster era, and started distributing their music online with no DRM at fair prices.

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  11. Thanks Martin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://torrentfreak.com/martin-shkreli-begs-for-private-torrent-site-invitation-161031/

    Dickhole.

  12. Re: Just pay the Royalties by binarybum · · Score: 1

    "whatever though"

                  you clearly have never been on What.CD

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  13. Dear wbr1 by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    No. Now go buy the White Album again.

    Sincerely, The Music Industry.

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  14. Re:Just pay the Royalties by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aren't there enough free radio sites operating perfectly legally to demonstrate that music sites can survive if only they pay the fucking royalties?

    audiophiles

    Oh shit. The only way this thread can end is in a bitter argument with audio snobs about how much popular music sucks. Well here's your preemptive FUCK YOU! FUCK ALL OF YOU!

    What.CD was much more than that. I'm not a music snob nor an audiophile by any stretch, but I was a member for the past 2 years, and although I joined the site mainly so that I could get invites to other private trackers, I stuck around because they had some really neat stuff that you just couldn't find anywhere else. That, and there were a few indie and smaller labels that actually distributed their songs through What.CD.

    I remember one thing I was impressed with was when I found a high quality rip of Where Eagles Dare by Misfits that sounded better than any other copy I heard, and you didn't need to even have good hearing or even good speakers to notice the difference. Having good quality rips of EVERYTHING was an ironclad rule that you won't ever find on other music sites, even legal ones. Amazon for example actually sells you MP3s that are upsampled, which was a HUGE no-no on What.CD, and it speaks volumes when paid music sites don't even have basic quality control, and a pirate site does.

  15. Just wait by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Just wait until stuff can be broadcast from privately owned, low-Earth orbit satellites. Good luck raiding my orbital, weapons-laden space platform!

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  16. PrivateJackoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have used a rule where their torrents would be released into the public scene a month or so after the upload on their site.
    That way their crap would be backed up so to speak, and all that effort would never be wasted. The wider public would also experience a surge in audio quality and maybe it would help increase the standards everywhere rather than just one "secret" place being known for them.
    That's where rutracker beats them. A day or two after the whole Russia debacle, and rutracker procured a gigantic mirror of all its torrents. Some already made it before the debacle came out of hunches and instinct.

    It's not when anti-piracy goes crazy that everyone loses, it's when a supriority complex and a "secret club complex" get to one's brain that everyone loses.
    What.CD did a lot of mistakes, and they were all born from a close-minded self-glorifying jerkfest mentality, rather than thinking on a wider scale.
    It's not a question of when a site will go down, that's an inevitability no matter how well you prepare. What matters is HOW a site will go down, and how it will
    per-emptively prepare and strike back afterwards.

    1. Re:PrivateJackoff by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      It's pretty funny how file-sharers can't be bothered to .. uh .. share the file-sharing. (The database.) Taking a site offline ought to accomplish relatively little, but it seems like lots of torrent sites want their eventual shutdowns to cause their catalogs to be lost too.

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  17. Try Bandcamp by biscuitlover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone remotely serious about their music - and, equally, their willingness to pay for a decent service and support the artists they like - could do a lot worse than checking out Bandcamp.

    Pay only for what you want, download FLACs (plus many other formats) and stream everything you've ever bought via their app if you'd rather not download any files. They're also far more artist-friendly than the likes of Spotify; I've got a fair amount of music on Spotify and have never seen a cent from them whereas Bandcamp give you a significant percentage of any sales.

    Admittedly, Bandcamp doesn't have the breadth of music on there that some other options do - many artists need to do a better job of uploading their libraries, myself included - but right now it's by far the best option for both listeners and artists out there (though I'd absolutely be interested to hear of others). It's unquestionably a better alternative to any option that either gives zero support to the artist, provides a poor service to listeners, or both.

    1. Re:Try Bandcamp by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Admittedly, Bandcamp doesn't have the breadth of music on there that some other options do

      This is the only downside of Bandcamp to me. But when you find an artist that has actually bothered to upload everything including their back catalogue, it's a goddamn goldmine.

      Seriously, I absolutely love Bandcamp and I wish more artists would join. For a lot of the genres I listen to (prog/tech/slam/brutal death metal, mostly), the selection is pretty good, especially since small labels like Willowtip and Earache have most of their stuff uploaded.

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    2. Re:Try Bandcamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bandcamp is rubbish.It's just a site to feed egos. Don't confuse amateur hour bands with the biggest music library ever created, and offered many formats (up to 24bit flac).

    3. Re:Try Bandcamp by maelkum · · Score: 1

      Do you have any recommendations for some power/speed/prog metal artists on Bandcamp?

    4. Re:Try Bandcamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Bandcamp have a DRM free copy of the latest episode of TV show I like? Uploaded >30 minutes after it aired in HD??

      No?

      Then Bandcamp is useless

      I'd pay for a service that gave me this but fat people in suits feel like that's stealing

    5. Re:Try Bandcamp by maelkum · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

  18. I stayed for the forums (fora?) by grahamsaa · · Score: 1

    One of the reasons I loved what.cd was the active, well moderated forums. I haven't torrented music in a long time, maybe years, but I did enjoy great discussions about music, technology and politics. I went to what.cd for music, before good streaming options existed. I stayed because of the relationships I built with people there. It was a great community that will be missed.

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  19. RIAA shills, I miss you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wat? Sleeping at work? Where are your diatribes about pirates, stealing, and how those folks should go to jail and get waterboarded?

    You scum! Where are you when we need you most!

  20. Or just do it the underground metal way by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    I was first a software pirate, and then a tape-trader. In the process, I became an advocate for (some) great software programs and musical artists, and by being involved with radio, zines and fans, spread them farther than they would have been if I had not done so. The same was true with software; I served as an evangelist for a number of really well-designed products, even if my own copy was more often than not cracked or pirated.

    Underground metal music spread through tape-trading. We would dub songs or albums for friends and mail off the tape. In return, we would usually get a tape back. This was how you heard music that was too extreme to be sold in stores or played on most radio stations. As a result, piracy led to sales, at least among the hardcore fan base.

    Technically, what we were doing was illegal (even before you get to the "send back my stamps" part, a bit of a postal hack that involves rubber glue). And yet, it enabled artists to flourish.

    What I like about piracy is that it is natural selection. You buy only the apps that are useful or the music that really stays with you. That cuts out the mediocre and hopefully, they die out, just as happens in nature, although in this case "die out" means leave the market, although if they're real idiots maybe they should be dead or sterile at least.

    So, as far as supporting "independent" musicians... I support good music. I buy it, and not digitally, but in physical form. I pass copies along to others. Most of them buy it too. This is fan-supported music, and any genre which is not this fanatical is probably just Muzak anyway.

  21. Re:Just pay the Royalties by MercTech · · Score: 1

    "Free Radio Sites" are not free. Streaming has given ISPs a case for further jacking the price of internet access with metered connections and throttling when you use too much of an "unlimited" plan.

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  22. It's all about greed... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Amazing how they complain and say "You're stealing from the artists". Bull. Not true. That just tells me they don't understand how the business works. The artists are long paid in advance, and paid a LOT. Aw, those poor millionaires. Would those artists be concerned about YOUR financial situation? These are people who wouldn't even shake your hand if you met them on the street...

  23. Many artists are giving away their music for free by music-star · · Score: 1

    In 2016, very few people buy music. Everybody has to realize that and move on. Many clever artists have already realized that, that's why they are giving away their music for free. Even established artists are giving away their own music for free either via YouTube or via their own websites. One great example from my country is Sakis Gouzonis.