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Oracle Buys Dyn DNS Provider (techcrunch.com)
Oracle announced today it is buying DNS provider Dyn, a company that was in the press lately after it was hit by a large-scale DDoS attack in October that resulted in many popular websites becoming inaccessible. From a TechCrunch report:Oracle plans to add Dyn's DNS solution to its bigger cloud computing platform, which already sells/provides a variety of Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) and Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS) products. Oracle and Dyn didn't disclose the price of the deal but we are trying to find out. Dan Primack reports that it's around $600 million. We've also asked for a comment from Oracle about Dyn's recent breach, and whether the wheels were set in motion for this deal before or after the Mirai botnet attack in October.
Expect lawsuits related to your free use of DNS. Now everybody who uses DNS owes Oracle 1 dollar per DNS lookup.
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So right after their value gets depressed?
Not suspicious at all...
If Oracle buys a DNS provider, does that constitute a centralized denial-of-service attack?
As a Dyn customer, who refuses to give even one lousy cent to Oracle, I'll be on the lookout for alternatives. Suggestions are welcome.
When I've sold even the tiniest companies, with just two or three employees, it took a few months from initial discussion to a public announcement. I'd be very surprised if a deal this size was done in a month or two. I'd think they probably had a memorandum of understanding, setting a price subject to due diligence, six months ago.
Oracle likely made their calculations, and have determined they can extract plenty of money from the Dyn customers to make the acquisition worth it.
I, for one, will be moving away from Dyn ASAP, after being a satisfied customer for ~15 years.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a reliable and secure DNS?
Discussion at new.ycombinator:
https://news.ycombinator.com/i...
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, amirite?
Isn't amazing what big businesses can't create on their own and have to buy instead?
“We've also asked for a comment from Oracle about Dyn's recent breach”
Since when does a DDoS qualify as a “breach?”
Ba-da dum-dum-dum. Another one bites the dust...
Sorry Dyn. I was a customer of yours. But everything that Oracle touches is to eliminate competition and kill the products that existed.
It was nice knowing you.
Anyone know of a way to set up your own Dyn-compatible dynamic DNS system? I have a remote server, and a way to change the dyndns.org URLs in use but I think the protocol is undocumented or certain without available SERVER software (client software is another matter).
And most of the things I want to change that use it are hardcoded into the Dyn protocols, so I can't just "use something else", even if the devices allow the end-address to be changed to my own server.
Isn't amazing what big businesses can't create on their own and have to buy instead?
An established user base? Yeah, that’s not usually created out of thin air.
I wish there were some solution to stop acquisitions like this: a small company with a decent product is consumed by some multinational giant. The product may live on for a few years, but ultimately it gets transmogrified into something unrecognizable and - as often as not - useless. But the multinational now has the patents needed to prevent competition.
Look at what Oracle is trying to do with Java: suing Google for using the fricking APIs. Microsoft is renowned for this as well: "extend, embrace, extinguish".
While I'm no fan of government regulation, I have the feeling that this is part-and-parcel of "too big to fail", and requires government intervention. Companies should not be allowed to grow beyond a certain size. If a company reaches that size, it must divest or split itself into smaller, independent entities.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Asus routers have their own dyn like service as an option in the dyndns section of the router. I don't know if it's using dyn technologies or provider though. Anyone know?
Free DNS for life - My ass!
Did I miss something? I thought they were the target of a DDOS attack, not a "breach".
How many domains?
I am a customer of Softlayer, and their free (for customers) Anycast DNS service is absolutely fantastic. I piggyback my clients onto their DNS (~100 domains including my own) and we've never seen an issue.
Another company I've had experience with is ClouDNS.net. I moved to softlayer simply because they offered Anycast and it was free with a server I'm renting from them. ClouDND.net now offers Anycast. I'm planning to use them as a secondary DNS in conjunction with Softlayer, because, well, redundancy.
s/ClouDND.net/ClouDNS.net/g
I think Dyn started out as a community effort rather than an explicit for-profit. I signed on back then. I seem to remember signing on for something long-term, for not much money. Not long after that they went commercial. My sign-on was supposed to be carried over to a year's service or something, I don't remember and I didn't pursue it because I was only interested in the community effort.
Bruce Perens.
Prepare yourself for the Oraculling...
Dyn grew by buying up small time DNS providers... a lot of them!
If I recall correctly, Slashdot had a few discussions about how large they were getting buying out other providers, and how bad it was to place so much trust in a single company.
for example
... almost dead ... almost dead ... dead ... dead in commercial ... almost dead first, now in war with MariaDB
... maybe we are going to need to host DNS registers now in Oracle RACs!
OpenOffice
Netbeans
OpenSolaris
Glassfish Server
MySQL
we can see the glorious destination that DNS register will have
6 months ago the price was set. That means that the talks where ongoing before that. However that means not that much as everybody already talks with everybody anyway.
This happens in all markets. At least once per year the question will be asked:
1) Are we for sale
2) Are we interested in buying others.
And they are not exclusive.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I guess it's time to find an alternative service.
Good thing I use no-ip for my basic needs. I don't want to support Oracle if I can help it. I wouldn't piss on Larry Ellison if he was on fire.
Silence is a state of mime.
Well that sucks. Dyn bought my DNS provider, EveryDNS a few years ago. Even though they promised to keep providing services for donors, they really made you jump through a lot of hoops to keep it, the services were very limited, and every contact with them was an up-sell opportunity.
I'm sure with this acquisition that promise will be completely broken, as Oracle loves to monetize everything. Time to find another DNS provider. Again.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
I'm a long time fan of EasyDNS, always worth using, no hassles. Canadian company.
If I recall correctly, Slashdot had a few discussions about how large they were getting buying out other providers, and how bad it was to place so much trust in a single company.
And now we see how bad it was, and how right people were.
I honestly cannot think of a company that I think could be worse. Blizzard or Symantec, perhaps. No, Oracle is still worse.
I've been using Zonomi for some domains for several years. It's not completely free, but damn close to it, and you only pay for what you use.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
They even migrated dungeons n dragons to the cloud? We are all fucked. Is there nothing they won't turn into a cloud?
But I had them way back in the late 90s for providing domain access to services on my dialup computer. They were pretty good as a free service back then (you got a second level domain or hostname off one of the dozens of pretty cool tlds they had back then, and if you needed a dynamically allocated tld they could provide that service for you as well!) Then they started changing how often you had to log in the website to keep your registration, and at some point punted people from a bunch of the previously free domains they had offered and only allowed them for premium use. At some point I jumped to noip before finally saying 'This whole DNS thing is stupid' and moving to Tor and then I2P hidden services. Nowadays there are lots of alternatives to the 'Imaginary Property' cash cow that DNS has become, and if more people could migrate their services towards them the current domain land grab could be curbed.
And this is a reason why slashdot sorely needs a 5 minute window to edit comments.... The preview mode is fine, but often doesn't seem to help much because of how tightly coupled it is to the editor, much like how one can notice typos more easily seeing them on paper than they will even in the print-preview mode of a word processor.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Electronic Arts presents: DNS2017* *DLC required to access certain parts of the internet, not available in all regions.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
As a Dyn customer, who refuses to give even one lousy cent to Oracle, I'll be on the lookout for alternatives. Suggestions are welcome.
EasyDNS is pretty good, and is based in Canada if you're worried about take downs and such:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyDNS
The CEO has run for the Libertarians in elections and so if you care about online rights, he's probably a person/company to support:
* https://www.libertarian.ca/candidate/mark-e-jeftovic
* https://twitter.com/stuntpope
They have integrations with Amazon Route 53, CIRA's D-Zone, Linode and Zoneedit (who they own) if you need the extra resiliency:
* http://blog.easydns.org/2010/08/19/dos-attacks-and-dns-how-to-stay-up-if-your-dns-provider-goes-down/
I've used them for my person domain for about a decade, and we use it for work (before I even got here).
In the good old days, you only needed a couple of bucks, which you gave to your DNS-provider.
They then had some kind of a zone-file editor - preferable web based - and your were good to go...
Oracle?
Ahhh.. Now you need a complete infrastructure, 250 GB harddrive space, 8 GB RAM, and of course your zone-file editor will be dependent on their database (+a bunch of other dependencies)... License? Well... You need it to be accesible on the Internet you say? How many users? The whole lot? Ah... Ok.. That'll be xxx*10^y USD, and then we need you to pay 15-30% of that each year for our support fee... Welcome!
Does IP v4 and v6, has quite some nice extra functions.
Is free and open source software and also a free service.
https://nsupdate.info/ (also on github)
Do we have to install Java and Ask Toolbar to do a DNA query now?
dns.he.net
it is free, works very well
yes, it do not have all the features of dyn, but have what i need
Higuita
I've been using this guy for a while.
My paid account ends then, let's see if Oracle somehow manage to fuck it entirely before then,...?
I really like the HUGE amount of modems / routers / cable boxes etc which support Dyn. Does anyone know of a product which even comes close? The closest I can think of is no-ip.com, they seem to be fairly common on a handful of cheap and pricey routers but still not as many as Dyn.
And on mobile there is no preview at all, which is what I usually use to browse and comment on Slashdot.
Do you have some experience with this? I've sold a couple businesses and the problem has always been how to solicit bids without a) encouraging silly rumors to start and b) revealing too much about the financials of my privately-held company to competitors or potential competitors, who may or may not have a genuine interest in buying my company.
And with a stroke of a pen, the price can be changed.
Lots of acquisition deals have an agreement of exclusivity during the negotiation period. Personally, I don't think that it is likely to be a good deal for the selling company, but it happens.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Thanks for that.
Does anyone remember when Curilian Studios conveniently forgot they sold lifetime updates several years after they released 1.0. I bought a license of 0.97 (or something close) for $25 (for beta software) and for that was granted lifetime updates. "We never said that, why are there 1000s of people that distinctly remember that and are accusing us of fraud?!?!"
I have a lifetime support for 3 of my domains. Let's see how long those last.
See subject: ... & to resolve hostnames faster locally w/ less APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?...
Ads rob speed, security (malvertising) & privacy (tracking).
Hosts add speed (hardcodes/adblocks), security (bad sites/poisoned dns), reliability (dns down), & anonymity (dns requestlogs/trackers) natively.
Works vs. caps & PUSH ads.
Avg. page = big as Doom http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... & ads = 40% of it.
Hosts != ClarityRay blockable (vs. souled-out to admen inferior wasteful redundant slow usermode addons)
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus (slows you) + less security issues/complexity.
Compliments firewalls (blocking less used IP addys vs. hosts blocking more used domains) & DNS (lightens dns load).
Gets data via 10 security sites.
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/... (Verified by Malwarebytes' S. Burn "seen the code & it's safe" http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... )
See subject: For references to back my initial post w/ facts on actual DNS security & inefficiency vs. hosts files https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
APK
P.S.=> Seeing as how the last time I posted this here was unjustifiably downmoderated to effetely & vainly try "hide" it, lol... apk