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Motorola Has No Plans For a New Smartwatch (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Lenovo Moto today confirmed that it will not be releasing a new smartwatch for the launch of Android Wear 2.0, due early next year. The company had earlier said it would not be releasing a new smartwatch in 2016, but it is now saying that it doesn't plan to put out a new device timed to the arrival of Google's newest wearable platform, either. Shakil Barkat, head of global product development at Moto, said the company doesn't "see enough pull in the market to put [a new smartwatch] out at this time," though it may revisit the market in the future should technologies for the wrist improve. "Wearables do not have broad enough appeal for us to continue to build on it year after year," Barkat said, and indicated that smartwatches and other wearable devices will not be in Moto's annual device roadmap. Whether or not Moto does jump back into the smartwatch market is still up in the air, but Barkat is leaving the possibility open. "We believe the wrist still has value and there will be a point where they provide value to consumers more than they do today," Barkat said. But it doesn't appear that we'll be getting a new Moto 360 or other smartwatch any time in the near future. Google announced back in September that it would be delaying the launch of Android Wear 2.0 from this fall to next year. LG and Huawei have also confirmed that they would not be releasing new smartwatches until at least next year.

38 comments

  1. The flat tire just developed a puncture by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, after upgrading from a first-gen Moto 360 which could just barely make it through a single business day without charging to my current Huawei Watch which easily manages a full 36-48 hours without even trying, I'm not slightly disappointed to see Motorola exit the market. They squandered what should have been a huge lead in the round smartwatch market by using outdated components that destroyed battery life. Early adopters don't like to be screwed over, and we do have memories.

    1. Re:The flat tire just developed a puncture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that getting screwed over was the whole purpose of being an early adopter?

    2. Re:The flat tire just developed a puncture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah thats more of a firstgen problem than a motorola problem

      my problem with motorola is they make it extremely difficult for me to buy their products. after jumping through hoops to get a Moto X Pure, I found it totally impossible to purchase the moto360 that I wanted, so i got a huawei instead.

    3. Re:The flat tire just developed a puncture by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      after upgrading from a first-gen Moto 360

      Duh. The Huawei watch competes with the second gen Moto 360. Mine easily lasts 36 hours as well.

  2. Quite a reasonable response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems quite reasonable to me. Their Moto 360 watch has had two iterations, both were pleasing to the eye (at least to me). The only complaint I could have is the "flat tire" it has. It inspired the Hauwei watch which seems to borrow heavily from the approach Motorola took, but the added bonus of not having the flat tire. Aside from software I don't know where else they could take smart watches right now. They aren't the smash hit they were projected to be, and I still rarely see people that have them.

  3. What is the use case for smartwatch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been honestly thinking, what are those smart watches used for? If the thing does not show time without pressing button or shaking it, it is useless for keeping sneakily track of remaining time in corporate meetings. And if the device needs to be charged more often than phone, can it be trusted as timekeeper?

    1. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can think of two use cases that would be useful to me, if I had a smartwatch, which I don't. :)

      1. 1. Alarm for waking up in the morning without having something that also wakes up my wife and/or baby. But I'm not sure about wearing it on wrist and sending evil scary waves through my head all night (in the event I put my hand under my head while sleeping).
      2. 2. Phone notifications without having to get out my phone... e-mail, calls, sms, whatever. For example, I drive a tractor on our family farm (not my day job, or I'd be broke ;) ). I had to get a mount so I could put my phone up on the dashboard, otherwise there's just no way I hear it or feel it even in my pocket while driving the tractor. Other uses would be similar ... walking/running, etc. Just convenience, though.

      ... slashdot doesn't support "ordered lists" ? :(

    2. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by nman64 · · Score: 2

      Yep yep. They are just a convenience. For many (most?) people, the conveniences might not be enough to outweigh the inconveniences. I have a Samsung Gear Live, and I love it. It's big -- bigger than most people would want their watch to be -- but I have large wrists, so it fits me nicely. There's nothing it does that feels like a must-have feature, but it adds a number of little conveniences that I really appreciate. For example, when I put meatloaf in the oven, I raise my wrist and say "Ok Google. Set a timer for one hour." and walk away. Even if I'm nowhere near the oven, my wrist will vibrate and I'll know it's time to serve dinner.

      Things I like about it:
        * I don't miss as many notifications (I often don't hear my phone, but the watch vibration gets my attention)
        * I can read notifications easily while on the go, and I can react to many of them with gestures and voice commands
        * I can use voice commands for simple actions like sending texts, setting timers, etc. without pulling out and unlocking my phone
        * I use it to control media software (for example, skipping videos on Kodi on my living room TV or songs on Spotify in the car), again, without pulling out the phone
        * It's another piece of many Tasker recipes (home automation and more)

      Things I don't like:
        * "Is that an Apple Watch?"
        * Battery life (I get about a day and charge it overnight every night, so not a big deal)
        * It doesn't have a speaker -- I can imagine some additional use cases if it did

    3. Re: What is the use case for smartwatch? by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      If you buy the right smartwatch, it functions as a normal watch too. My Huawei Watch's screen is on with mid-level brightness 24/7/365, so I can always see the time. But it also saves me getting my phone out of my pocket dozens of times a day for little things like answering or making a call, reading or sending a text, quick Google searches like "how many tablespoons in a cup", etc. Its function isn't to replace the smartphone for everything, merely the things that take just a few seconds (but together, add up to a whole lot of inconvenience on a daily basis.) Unfortunately, too many reviewers completely missed that, and so did Apple who screwed the pooch by trying to make the watch do far too much, almost none of it well. Once Apple got the headlines turned against smartwatches, everyone else was doomed. I doubt we'll see many more big-name ones from now on, just cheap no-name or licensed crap.

    4. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They Show time without touching or shaking it. At least the higher end Android watches such as the Moto 360 do.

      They have use cases and are neet. But are not really worth the current price accept as a piece of jewelry.

      After the initial toy factor wears off, I find the use cases I most often use are,

      - As a normal watch, with stop watch/timer ect.
      - As a Smart Watch, meaning it shows weather, news calendar appointments, phone battery charge, phone notifications and alerts without needing to pull my phone out of my pocket.
      - As a fitness tracker, keeping track out heart rate and steps while working out.
      - As a piece of jewelry, I actually like color coordinating my shirt and my watch face.

      The problem is all that isn't really worth $300+ dollars. I picked up a 2nd Gen Moto 360, Used-Like new on amazon for $240. If I had gotten it for under $200 I would call it worth it. I like the aesthetics of the Samsung S3 even better. But I don't think I could get one that wasn't android and definitely not for $350.

    5. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I have been honestly thinking, what are those smart watches used for? If the thing does not show time without pressing button or shaking it, it is useless for keeping sneakily track of remaining time in corporate meetings. And if the device needs to be charged more often than phone, can it be trusted as timekeeper?

      Many have always-on OLED displays. So no, you don't have to press or shake to see the display. Most (all?) this or last gen models have at least one day of battery. As long as you get in the habit of dropping it on the charger along with your phone and other things at night it's not an issue. I have a model from 2 years ago that goes about 36 hours, with an always-on display.

    6. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I bought a Series 1 Apple Watch when Apple iterated the device a few months ago, and I have to say I agree with pretty much every point you made. Basically it works very well for me, but I don't think it's for everyone.

      I got this watch as a follow-up to a Garmin Vivosmart fitness band I owned for about 16 months. The features of the Garmin I liked most were mostly related to getting notifications of various sorts on my wrist; and a smartwatch does a better job of that, since it has a significantly better display and also allows you to respond to stuff like texts, emails and even phone calls.

      With the latest software (WatchOS 3.1), I normally get 2 days out of this thing. The battery life is really the one thing I wish could be drastically improved. Like you said, having an alarm on your wrist works really well (something else I'd discovered with that Garmin) - but, for that to be truly useful, a battery life of 4-5 days would be better. As it is, I have to choose between either using it as an alarm only every other day or else figuring out a good time to charge it during daytime hours.

      But, even for me, in the end it's just a convenience - I don't have to keep pulling my phone out of my pocket. Whoop-de-freaking-doo, right?

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    7. Re:What is the use case for smartwatch? by antdude · · Score: 1

      That is why I still prefer and use the old school Casio Data Bank watches (e.g., 150). :)

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  4. Neither do I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I feel better about my indifference...

  5. Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    there will be a couple of companies making these things for a niche market, but we will be seeing a lot of thinning f products next year.

    I see Motorola and Google bailing - maybe even Apple.

    Fitbit isn't doing as well as they were and I see them just sticking to high end stuff and maybe some more acquisitions of other wearable products and companies.

    But there really isn't any real need for these gadgets. I've seen people swim with them but it's just more shiny compared to using a pace clock that can also time laps and measure pulse. But they rationalize their gadget as being something they "need".

    It's just another method of getting people's disposable income - which is the purpose of consumer electronics.

    1. Re:Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      But there really isn't any real need for these gadgets.

      Someday you'll need it to turn on you IOT toaster.

    2. Re:Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by nman64 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I think many of these wearables are just a bit ahead of their time. I see many people buying the cheaper "smart" watches that don't offer the full feature set but still offer more than traditional watches. I think the "premium" models like Motorola's are just too pricey for the limited advantages they offer. I think as the features expand and the prices drop, wearables will become quite common. These first-movers are going to suffer while the technology and the desirable use cases are fleshed out, but this is only the beginning. Few people would reject a watch that can display the notifications from their phone or allow them to manipulate phones (or other connected devices) with voice commands, but they may not be willing to pay a premium price for something that isn't so great at the traditional watch features.

    3. Re:Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by fullmetal55 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I have a mid range wearable (samsung Gear Fit 2) and I quite enjoy it. I had a fitbit charge hr which I'd consider an entry level wearable. things I like... I really enjoy the fact that I can control my music without pulling out my phone. Notifications on my wrist for incoming emails/texts/anything I want to be notified of really. GPS on the watch lets me go for a run or a walk and automatically track my distance/speed more accurately than counting steps (and without my phone and still get music). The price wasn't that "premium" it was $200 which is pricey but not overly so. They are getting better, I have it set to turn off the screen but when I move my wrist to look at my watch it comes up right away, no "shaking" my wrist, it's actually a bit over sensitive as the watch will come on quite often when driving when it's not supposed to but that's minor.

      I still want to get a "real" smartwatch one day, one that does more than just what this guy does. But for now my needs are met, and exceeded.

    4. Re:Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      It's not unlikely that your IOT toaster will just use the RFID chip to toast your toast to "3" darkness setting. It's possible you'll use the RFID in the smartwatch, but in that case, you can just buy an RFID sticker and stick it to the back of the watch, or integrate it in to the face of the watch. Some people have injectable RFID capsules in their arms if you don't like wearing something on your wrist.

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    5. Re:Wearables is a fad that's petering out. by R3 · · Score: 1

      "Fitbit isn't doing as well as they were and I see them just sticking to high end stuff and maybe some more acquisitions of other wearable products and companies."

      This was a pretty good prediction:

      "Fitbit is on the brink of buying smartwatch maker Pebble for around just $40 million"

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

  6. So I first read it as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Motorola has no plans for a new sandwich, and I was disappointed.

    Then I reread it, and didn't care.

  7. oh darn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm so disappointed that they won't release any over prices useless garbage.

  8. It's the battery stupid! by evanh · · Score: 2

    I'd be prepared to accept a six monthly charging cycle (still ten times more often than regular watches) but every frig'ing day is ridiculous.

    1. Re:It's the battery stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that ridiculous. Just needs wireless charging, you put it on the pad next to your phone when you go to sleep.

    2. Re:It's the battery stupid! by farble1670 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd be prepared to accept a six monthly charging cycle (still ten times more often than regular watches) but every frig'ing day is ridiculous.

      Ah yes, queue the "but my Casio ..." posts that plaster every smart watch thread.

      Are you really having that much trouble getting over the word "watch" in the name? It's not a watch. It's a fairly powerful computer that happens to be in a watch form-factor. Do you hear the word "watch" and just shut off your brain after that? It's called a smartWATCH because calling it a "wrist hobblinsnicker" is poor marketing. If the only possible thing you can imagine using a smartwatch for is the same things for which you use your Casio, you are right, buying one would be friggin' ridiculous.

      If you don't want a computer on your wrist, that's fine, but making comparisons to your Casio's battery life is about as smart as making a comparison between a calculator and a laptop computer. I mean really, imagine those idiots. A handheld calculator can multiply numbers just as good as that desktop and costs hundreds or THOUSANDS of times less. It NEVER needs to be charged. It fits in my pocket. It doesn't need a full keyboard with all of those useless letter and function keys. It has a built in display saving me hundreds of dollars. The OS NEVER needs upgrading, and it never, ever crashes.

    3. Re:It's the battery stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I have a fairly nice watch, nice enough to change the battery rather than buy a new one. I need a new battery about once every 3 years. Basically, my watch requires zero thought or maintenance other than the triennial battery service. Is nightly charging a HUGE deal? Not really, but the benefit of the smartwatch is equally small. It is a trade of a small amount of convenience for a small amount of inconvenience.

    4. Re:It's the battery stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, this then. Smartwatches still need the phone to do the vast majority of the things they do. Your phone is probably in your pocket and has a screen area several times that of your wrist-computer. The gain in convenience is trivial, even if you successfully argue that the cost in extra charge time is trivial. The market is voting, and people don't really want yet another thing to charge.

    5. Re:It's the battery stupid! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Smartwatches still need the phone to do the vast majority of the things they do.

      No they don't. Even my watch from 2 years ago has wifi. Buy yes I get the point that it's not completely independent.

      The gain in convenience is trivial, even if you successfully argue that the cost in extra charge time is trivial. The market is voting, and people don't really want yet another thing to charge.

      That's a valid opinion.

  9. Not thinning, gasping by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The simple truth is that the smartwatch market is chocking, because of one reason - the AppleWatch is consuming all of the revenue. Unlike with phones companies simply cannot sustain losses as long on something inherently more niche like a smart watch.

    Apple however is doing just fine, they've said sales are ahead of expectations. They have had a really good OS update and the watches are more usable than they were... Apple also pretty intelligently realizes that fitness users are currently a primary market and did some tailoring/partnerships along those lines.

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  10. I don't want a smartwatch by bheerssen · · Score: 1

    I want an electronic watch that uses an e-ink display, multiple face styles, automatically syncronizes the time, and maybe, maybe shows the weather.

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    1. Re: I don't want a smartwatch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, a pebble then?

    2. Re:I don't want a smartwatch by Sique · · Score: 1

      I don't think the e-ink display is the right choice for a watch. The nice thing about e-ink is that it doesn't need power to keep the current display, but changing the display actually needs power. A watch constantly changes its display, thus the power advantage is much smaller.

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    3. Re:I don't want a smartwatch by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Pebble gets about a week of battery life. I got close to that even using a watch face with a moving second hand.

  11. But without GIGO capability. by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    The problem with this computer that you wear on your wrist is that it doesn't do most things that I expect my computer to be able to do, is even worse for input than a phone, and the couple of things that it does do very well (tell time, show notifications, fitness tracking) are better done on a watch, a phone, and a fitness tracker.

    My analog wristwatch is very highly legible, silent, accurate, and can withstand the elements and dives up to 300m. It is always visible, can be easily glanced at by someone across the table if they need to tell the time, and it rarely, if ever needs any kind of attention.

    When I get a notification on my phone, I look at it, tap the notification, and can act immediately.

    Get a notification on a smart watch and you have to look at it, then take out your phone, tap the notification, and act on it. The smart watch adds an unneeded extra step.

    Fitness tracking was supposed to be the "killer app," but fitness activities are often both rough-n-tumble and happen outside in the elements. For that you want the cheapest, simplest device possible so that when you inevitably have to replace your destroyed one, you're not paying through the nose again (not to mention also losing your timekeeping for the period during which you are replacing it).

    All this plus they are very high maintenance, needing to be charged all the time, limited in life span, and needing software updates from time to time, as well as the often finicky pairing with a phone—and the fact that there's not a single thing that I regularly do with my computer (or even phone) that I'd like to try doing on that tiny screen—and the fact that you can't even hack it to be used for low-input/low-output situations (say, embedded applications—not to mention the ridiculous cost)—and it's just not much of a wrist computer either.

    Nope, I'm just gonna stick to my regular wristwatch, phone, fitness tracker, and computing devices. If I need mobile computing, a 5" Android display, octo-core CPU, and 32GB storage are already more than cramped enough.

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  12. Blast and damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dang - I've been limping along on my first gen Moto360 trying to hold out for the one I expected in the spring.

    D8

  13. Update at least? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they at least update their latest offering to the new version.

  14. Not a comparison at all by evanh · · Score: 1

    If I was making a competitive comparison I really would be asking for five years per charge. A cellphone shorter than weekly is just a gimmick too.

    In reality, three months would likely work fine but asking for the minimum isn't likely to get you there is it?

    1. Re:Not a comparison at all by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      In reality, three months would likely work fine but asking for the minimum isn't likely to get you there is it?

      WTF are you saying? The limiting factor is whether consumers are asking for it or not? I'm pretty sure that me, or you "asking" for anything isn't going to have a big effect on the laws of physics and the material properties that put limits on battery life.

      But hey, why limit yourself? Let's have self driving cars that read our minds. There it is, I'm asking for it. If enough of us ask, it's bound to come to fruition. And if you think I'm making a ridiculous exaggeration, it's not much more than suggesting a computer with an always on backlit screen is going to have 6 months of battery life.