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China Is Censoring People's Chats Without Them Even Knowing About It (qz.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Quartz: A new study from The Citizen Lab, a research group at the University of Toronto, reveals that censorship on WeChat occurs primarily in group chats rather than one-on-one chats between two people, and often in such a way where the sender of a text isn't even aware a piece of text has been scrubbed. The discoveries illuminates how China's government attempts to keep its citizens blind to the scope of its censorship regime. The researchers set out find the extent to which certain keywords got scrubbed from conversations between two or more users in WeChat. To do this, in June 2016 the team posed as a Chinese WeChat user and sent out 26,821 keywords containing terms that had been censored on other apps, including Tom-Skype (a made-for-China version of Skype) and YY (a live broadcast app). A corresponding Canadian user in the two-way chat would then report back to say whether or not the message had been received. The report states that out of the entire sample, only one term -- Falun Gong -- had been scrubbed. When they ran an identical test in August, even that text mysteriously passed without censorship. Yet when they tested group chats, they found multiple cases in which certain keywords triggered a removal. Specifically, while sensitive terms used in isolation were unlikely to trigger censorship (say "June 4th," a reference to the Tiananmen Square protests, brutally put down on June 4, 1989), it took effect when they were used in a full sentence or with other keywords. The researchers also discovered that when WeChat censored a message, the sender received no notice informing him that his text had not reached the intended recipient. The study also notes that "WeChat only censors content for users who bind their account to a mainland Chinese phone number when they first register to use the app." The censorship is still applied even if Chinese residents move to different countries or change phone numbers.

76 comments

  1. Wait for Patriot-Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The words "orange" "tiny" and "bankruptcy" will all similarly be removed without any notice.

    1. Re:Wait for Patriot-Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The words "orange" "tiny" and "bankruptcy" will all similarly be removed without any notice.

      That would totally prevent me discussing the affects of my fetishes on my bank ballance

    2. Re:Wait for Patriot-Skype by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      The words "small hands" is missing from your post. It must have been censored already.

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    3. Re:Wait for Patriot-Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ironic given that we don't have any examples of this happening in the real world, but we have countless examples of Google, Facebook, and Twitter censoring content that wasn't favorable to Hillary Clinton. Not to mention all the talk of banning "fake" news sites with all the Orwellian censorship of letting government and big corporations decide what's fake, and therefore invisible to you and I.

  2. Not first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The real first post was censored.

  3. so the question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when is brittain planning to copy this one?

    1. Re:so the question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's spelt "Britain", genius. And we plan to modify the filters to censor posts by lamebrains who can't spell, thus improving the quality of discourse on the Internet a thousandfold.

      You're welcome.

    2. Re:so the question is by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      when is brittain planning to copy this one?

      Maybe they could add a spelling corrector while they're at it.

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    3. Re:so the question is by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Paul Brittain? From Saturday night live? Yeah, they're trying to censor him too!

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  4. Just like Reddit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thought police have no balls.

    1. Re: Just like Reddit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not as bad as reddit - who actually changes what people typed.

    2. Re:Just like Reddit! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      According to Snopes they have balls.

      http://www.snopes.com/humor/jo...

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  5. Evolution - by sheramil · · Score: 5, Funny

    1: Censors remove all references to June 4th, no matter what context

    2: Any plans for business to take place on June 4th disappear

    3: Eventually nothing gets done on June 4th because nobody can plan for it

    4: It turns into a holiday, and nobody can remember why.

    1. Re:Evolution - by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      1: Censors remove all references to , no matter what context

      2: Any plans for business to take place on disappear

      3: Eventually nothing gets done on because nobody can plan for it

      4: It turns into a holiday, and nobody can remember why.

      Interesting...

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    2. Re:Evolution - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would make a good, scary Sci-fi/drama/thriller of a dystopian society. The protagonist stumbles into reasons for the numerous black holes of the national memory.

    3. Re:Evolution - by Falos · · Score: 1

      We have always been at celebrations with June4th!

  6. Surprised it took them this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some 15 years ago I ran a messageboard for a popular game. It suffered from some persistant trolls and spammers. When they were banned they would come back with a new account, all the time from different IP's. After some time I made it so that instead of blocking access for the banned accounts or IP's, I hid their posts for all other users. Some clued in, but it did work against most. Later I made it so that the moderators would still see the banned posts and I asked them to "feed" the trolls, to make it harder for them to realise something was wrong.

    It was quite a lot of work to adapt the code, but it was an interesting experiment. I always thought it would be a quite useful tool for bigger sites, so I'm surprised I never saw it used anywhere else.

    1. Re:Surprised it took them this long by ThePangolino · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a somewhat common practice notably on Reddit. You can read about it here

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    2. Re:Surprised it took them this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Awww, you provided the trolls with a nice safe space of their own. (What you describe is known as shadow or stealth banning.)

    3. Re:Surprised it took them this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original AC here. Go figure, thanks! Amazing how I never heard about these other practises, even though I spent so much time experimenting with it. Apparently I'm also living in my own little space. :) Sometimes it can be quite hard to find information on something if you don't know how it is named.

    4. Re:Surprised it took them this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You should've made all the troll accounts to be able to be talk to each other while hiding them from the rest, that way the mods wouldn't have to feed them.

    5. Re:Surprised it took them this long by mlts · · Score: 2

      Beehive Forums has this feature. It has a "worm" mode function where if a user is flagged with that, they can see all their posts... but nobody else can. It is similar to Reddit's shadowban.

      It works well, because instead of the troll creating yet another sock from a different IP, they will spew their nonsense all over the place, and nobody will be the wiser.

      I've wanted a feature where an admin could post with a flag where only admins and the troll could see the reply, mainly to keep the troll interested in keeping the account that nobody else sees. Perhaps an ELIZA-esque bot can reply to the troll (again, where only the troll would see the reply) which keeps them busy.

    6. Re:Surprised it took them this long by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I hid their posts for all other users. Some clued in, but it did work against most. Later I made it so that the moderators would still see the banned posts and I asked them to "feed" the trolls, to make it harder for them to realise something was wrong.

      The sneakier tactic is to go the full hellban and make the hellbanned people visible to other hellbanned people. That way the trolls have lots of fun trolling each other and get lots of responses and never notice that the rest of the forum is blissfully unaware of their existence.

      This can also be combined with a "discourage" mode. Some forum software (there's a plugin for Xenforo for example) which will randomly at some predetermined rate truncate/timeout/404/go slow on URLs entirely at random. This makes the forum technically usable, but shitty and frustrating, but for not easily determined reasons. Discouraged users eventually get fed up and leave, rather than returning under a different registration.

      It's proven quite effective on a forum I'm a member of.

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  7. Opening themselves up for copyright lawsuits by sciengin · · Score: 1

    Wasnt that a feature another messenger had already implemented here in the US?
    I faintly recall that mentioning the name of the competing product would cause the message to not be sent and some URLs to be rewritten.
    Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of that messenger. Was it Skype? Whatsapp?

    1. Re:Opening themselves up for copyright lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/01/whatsapp-is-blocking-links-to-rival-app-telegram-on-android/

    2. Re:Opening themselves up for copyright lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't copyright deleting stuff.

  8. Incorrect by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure they do know about it. Some of them accept it. Some of them are even for it.

    Not everything about the Chinese internet is "say something wrong and you'll immediately be sent to a labour camp". Letting people vent but limiting their effective range to zero is much more efficient at quieting dissent.

    Even the US government is trying very hard to follow in China's footsteps.

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    1. Re:Incorrect by rmdingler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Even the US government is trying very hard to follow in China's footsteps.

      Are you certain it's not the other way around? Even a powerful, centralized, government like the one in China can only run around and stomp the boot on so many necks.

      How they must marvel at the western democracy that mostly allows for free speech, and yet the rich and powerful keep their things and power.

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    2. Re:Incorrect by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Free speech is one thing the US has in abundance. You can say pretty much whatever you want and the worst that will happen is that people will turn on you and exercise their power of speech back at you. It might cost you your job in certain incidences but you can be sure the government really isn't paying any attention to it. The government really doesn't give a shit what you have to say.

    3. Re:Incorrect by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      That may change with this president and the people he's put in charge.

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    4. Re:Incorrect by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      I was in China a few years ago, we had a young Chinese woman serve as a tour guide during one excursion near Chongqing. She was quite aware of the censorship and very frustrated by it. They know practically everything going on despite the censorship. I got the impression they are waiting for the current "leadership generation" to expire before taking charge and initiating change.

      That is very similar to our situation in the US. We need to wait for the baby boomers to vacate positions of authority, then maybe we can start making some improvements.

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    5. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the US system works far better. People vent on social media, and eventually people unfollow/unfriend/block the worst of them, so they wind up griping to nobody in particular. This does quite a good job at stopping any/all protects. On the other hand, sharing bogus news stories spread quickly, so a piece done by a psyops group can go in front of millions of eyeballs, while a genuine gripe never makes it past the first row of contacts.

    6. Re:Incorrect by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      You know, I'm not a big fan of Trump. He's got tons of flaws and does and says crazy shit pretty regularly. Still, he's just the President. He's got some power and influence but ultimately everything he does has to go through Congress and then the Supreme Court has a shot at making sure it's in line with the Constitution. One thing justices appointed by both Republican and Democratic administrations have in common is that they support free speech. They do this because the First Amendment to the Constitution is one of the clearest, most unambiguous statements in US law. No matter how you try to twist it the freedom of speech is written in stone. It's the First of the the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights. If Trump attacks it he'll begin to lose support among his base because tearing out that pillar of freedom will hurt all Americans.

    7. Re:Incorrect by spikenerd · · Score: 1

      ... We need to wait for the baby boomers to vacate positions of authority...

      That waiting does things to the next generation. It makes them start feeling entitled to occupy the positions held by the previous generation. Change happens when someone grows a pair and rebels against their parents.

    8. Re:Incorrect by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      The problem with Trump is really with his supporters and the people he put in charge, and that his supporters have no problem with. His supporters that I have had the displeasure of coming across have no problem saying that people with different political opinions are traitors who need to be deported or jailed. He's put anti-net neutrality people in charge of the FCC. And Trump will be in a position to stack the Supreme Court with his choices who would probably be worse than Scalia in their blatant partisanship and hypocrisy.

      Trump has even said that the internet needs more censorship, and that did not hurt his election chances at all.

      As for Congress - the Republicans own both houses now. Republicans who were able to get in because of people who voted for Trump knowing of his positions. I doubt Congress would be ineffective at all at steamrolling existing rights with that kind of control.

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    9. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal evidence is just that, but the first Chinese I met with whom I felt comfortable enough to discuss these issues (and we were outside of China) was totally accepting of censorship and similar "features" of the Chinese regime. He mentioned something along the lines of "China is a big country, you have to limit liberties a bit, to make it work." It freaked me out, but I'm not going to try to fight against decades of brainwashing...

    10. Re:Incorrect by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Trump didn't get elected because of his views as much as the fact he was not Hilliary. It was entirely a negative campaign. Some people voted for Trump but most were just voting against Hilliary and the perceived establishment. You hear some crackpots for sure but when you ask them very few of his supporters really believe he's going to build a wall or even care about a wall. I'm not happy about the anti net neutrality people he's appointing either but in the end I think Mr. Trump is going to find out all about the limitations of his office.

  9. Censorship by speedplane · · Score: 1

    I really hate that website Slash[removed for your protection].

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  10. Makes Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No need to censor 1 on 1 conversations when you just just disappear the offenders.

    Group chat, on the other hand, makes it a bit harder for the offender to suddenly move away or have an accident without questions being raised. Better to just scrub the chat clean (and then the offender can have an accident).

  11. Russia = China = Republcans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simple and true

  12. Censorship is still better ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... than Fake News!

    1. Re:Censorship is still better ... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. In fact, the two are not even mutually exclusive.

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  13. So...like Reddit then? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Just sayin.

    Additional mandatory text to let me post.

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  14. Since when did the West prototype this shit? by whodunit · · Score: 1

    I find it instructive that "shadowbanning," a tactic already in use by Twitter and Reddit, has been adopted by a Communist dictatorship.

    Time for a re-evaluation.

    1. Re:Since when did the West prototype this shit? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I find it instructive that "shadowbanning," a tactic already in use by Twitter and Reddit, has been adopted by a Communist dictatorship.

      It gets worse! You know what the Chinese censors eat? Food. You know what the reddit AND twitter admins eat? Also food. I think it's also instructive that both also do their censoring on IP based networks. Will the similarities never end???!?

      IOW Holy false equivalence, Batman!

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    2. Re:Since when did the West prototype this shit? by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      The next step is "party vanning", a tactic already in use by 4chan and the FBI.

  15. Re:The denial of free speech... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    You fucking idiot. The very fact you can come on this blog and spout your brainless drivel makes you a liar.

  16. Don't the Chinese have the concept of codewords? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I find it hard to believe that these simple keyword filters have much effect IRL, they'd be trivially defeated by codewords which would be easy to update when the codewords get banned. Here are some freebies in case they're needed:

    Falun Gong = Fallen Gong

    Southern Weekend = Leftymag

    Tiananmen Square / June 4th Incident = Shoot n' squish day

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  17. I did not have textual relations with that woman by Idisagree · · Score: 2

    If you can censor conversations by muting specific words, can you replace those words as well?

    *shudder* ...

    The year 2016 appears to be ending in utter despair for those who believed in the idea of internet freedom with mass take-downs, bulk data collection, extreme state sponsored censorship , authorized government hacking, privacy erosion, porn restrictions, huge curtails on freedom of speech, all happening with greater frequency and intent.

    The most ironic thing about the above, is that this is all happening in 'liberal western democracies'....

  18. Re:Don't the Chinese have the concept of codewords by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    That's why they don't let the sender know they've been blocked. It takes longer before they realize that their messages are blocked.

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  19. This is the same way everywhere by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    As long as we depend on the ISP, we are all being censored without even knowing it.

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    1. Re:This is the same way everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ya sure ISPs all over the world are just as bad as china

      fuck off PRC troll

    2. Re:This is the same way everywhere by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You're funny. Too bad you misread my post...

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  20. And still less creepy than Reddit by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    At least the Chinese don't EDIT what you write. Reddit putting words in your mouth is literally "next level shit".

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  21. Re:The denial of free speech... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    You fucking idiot. The very fact you can come on this blog and spout your brainless drivel makes you a liar.

    Hush! You were supposed to tell him his ideas are intriguing and try to subscribe to his newsletter. Dammit, you might have scared this weekend's entertainment away. I wanted to find out his views on the dildobergers.

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  22. Playing the devil's advocate by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a western liberal I of course object censorship in all of its forms, but at the same time I understand the mindset that the Chinese establishment has: they cannot prevent the inevitable spread of communication technology, so more and more Chinese people are becoming networked. This means that the potential for massive protests of millions of people over any number of subjects ranging from food prices to air quality to an outrage over public transit prices can occur more and more easily as these ideas are free to spread.

    Take something like the 2013 Turkey protests as an example. The estimates of how many people were on streets ranger from 3,5 to 7,5 million people. As I was in a relationship with a Turkish woman at the time, I know the effect social media had. People were sharing the locations data with each other; locations of other protesters, riot cops, locations of where to get gas masks/first aid, and in general coordinating the movement of the masses to try and evade the rather over the top fascist measures that the government pretty much immediately chose to resort to. Now 3,5 million people is a lot, but percentage-wise it's less than 5 % of the total population. China has approximately 721 million online users and growing. Even if only 0,5 % of that population gets together and starts organizing protests movements, we're talking about over 3 and a half million people, around the same scale as the protests in Turkey.

    From the perspective of the Chinese government the situation is tricky: lowering censorship would be a good PR move and make people happier, but it has the potential to trigger situations in which Tianmen square will look like a peaceful and orderly event. The path of least resistance is thus to allow people to yell about their dissatisfaction online, but just make sure the information never reaches a critical mass of people to trigger major social instability and havoc. Put another way: giving total freedom of communication to the Chinese people has the possibility of sending the country into major internal turmoil, possibly even civil war, because the internet can be used - both by ethical and unethical instances - to leverage the power of the mobs at much faster speeds than any other communication technology up until this point.

    From this perspective I understand why they're doing it, even though I do not condone it.
     

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    1. Re:Playing the devil's advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...so the root of your argument is that the Chicom government HAS to resort to somewhat oppressive measures in order to prevent chaos.

      You conveniently skip over the impetus for that chaos: oppressive government. What you have here is a policeman getting angry the political prisoner won't stop writhing in pain and comply with an arrest while they're beaten for resisting arrest. The failures and transgressions and abuses of power of the state never even get called to account for being the source of the whole problem.

      You are, indeed, a western liberal.

    2. Re:Playing the devil's advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so the root of your argument is [...]

      entirely a figment of your imagination, as no argument was offered. What part of "I do not condone it" don't you understand, cupcake? Reading comprehension much?

      You are, indeed, a western liberal.

      You are, indeed, mentally deficient.

    3. Re:Playing the devil's advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... over the top fascist measures that the government pretty much immediately chose to resort to ...

      There's two mentalities here, first is the elitist 'dissent is a crime that cannot be tolerated', which is a heavily disguised 'fuck you, I got mine'. Then there's distrust and downright contempt for the government. These create a negative feedback loop cementing each side's perspective as the victim. Many Asian countries seem peaceful but these triggers for civil war and totalitarian oppression lurk just below the surface.

    4. Re:Playing the devil's advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC here, your failure is the first part of your claim,

      I understand why they're doing it, even though I do not condone it.

      Quite simply, you don't understand whether or not you condone it.

      Power like this is abused for any and every reason or just because it's Tuesday. Riot control has close to jack shit to do it about it.

  23. Oh, believe me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China is censoring even 1:1 chats and people do know. Send messages and questions that just don't get any answers, or as your conversation goes on there is a delay in the response on the other side...

    And people do know, because sometimes people tend to sit 2 meters across from each other. However if you are trying to start and maintain a long distance relationship, this goes in the way. Then a year later you are both puzzled, but one of you has moved on and married someone.. So yeah, people know.

  24. Re:Don't the Chinese have the concept of codewords by Falos · · Score: 1

    Last I heard they've been doing this all along. They'll swap in characters that sound or look the same, or use "referential" ones. Their ideograms often have multiple meanings and "readings" (pronunciation) allowing an extra layer of subtlety.

  25. Censorship on the march by mi · · Score: 2

    when is brittain planning to copy this one?

    Well, Twitter is already doing it, in America too — an early bird, so to speak. But, hey, they are a private company, so we have no need to worry, right?

    Well, the new generation of citizens is being accustomed to censoring selves and others in colleges — including professors — so, in 10-20 years, you'll have it world-wide, US and other elements of the British empire included.

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  26. What China is doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..is very nice. What kind of thoughtful, caring administrators would ever think of lovingly shepherding the people toward better community cohesion and a spirit of cooperation? It's an absolute wonder that they think so much of their people to subject them to that kind of gentle affection and attention.

  27. Good ol' China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doing what the USA wants to do for generations!

  28. Animals censored in China by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 2

    The grass mud horse and the river crab can be censored in China.

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    1. Re:Animals censored in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's whack-a-mole, they'll just crop up new slang. >easy to update when the codewords get banned as OP put it.

    2. Re:Animals censored in China by aberglas · · Score: 1

      People need to use ordinary and common words and phrases to have special meanings only intelligible by context. So if "Work" means Fulung Gung, and "the Party" means Tianomin etc. it becomes very difficult for any automated algorithm to know if "Work has been tough lately" is political or not. The algorithms will start to filter the chaff. Of course China has thousands (millions?) of human censors as well, but they will also be confused. And innocent messages will be interpreted by their receivers as political even when they were not. Oh what a tangled web we weave...

  29. The US needed to get this 10 years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would have been useful against the right wing trolls, the misinformation spreaders about the environment, those who want to get other losers to join them to make their movement look normal, and the paid trolls repeating what their media masters say.

    It would have hindered the rise of the Tea Party and the racists getting back in power. It took them a while to get on-line, but once they did, they couldn't be reasoned with, and there was no way to stop them from infecting other people with their lies and slander.

  30. That is called a Shadowban. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is called a Shadowban.