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'The Circle' Trailer Looks An Awful Lot Like Google (cnet.com)

theodp writes: If you never got around to reading Dave Eggers' novel The Circle, the tale of a powerful tech company that bears a more-than-passing resemblance to Google (and has an Apple spaceship-like HQ) is coming to the big screen and the first trailer is out. The film has a release date of spring 2017, and stars Tom Hanks, Emma Watson and John Boyega. Remember, sharing is caring!

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  1. What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Hanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even Google doesn't know the answer to that one.

  2. Another Hollywood diatribe by locater16 · · Score: 0

    Another bunch of people that sit for hours every year giving each other gold statues for getting paid millions of dollars with the expectation that millions of people will want to watch them do so will go on another rant about how some industry other than theirs (that god forbid does something besides put out two hours of amusement at a time) is secretly "evil" and corrupt and etc etc! And I'm suuuuure that unlike The Big Short, or basically almost any time they try to do technology, they'll stick with actual criticism instead of shifting facts around or just making up straight bullshit to tell a better st- aaaand the book it's based on is a already that. Goodnight folks, nothing to see here!

    1. Re: Another Hollywood diatribe by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      2 hours? These days you are luck if a movie runs past an hour and a half.

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    2. Re:Another Hollywood diatribe by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Little known fact; the movie title is an abbreviation from the original title "The Circlejerk".

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    3. Re:Another Hollywood diatribe by Miguelito · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I always love when a Hollywood movie tries to talk down to us plebs about how "eviil" some corporation(s) is/are, or how the "system" is holding down people.

      They're some of the most over-paid, spoiled and "in an insulated echo chamber," people out there.

      I especially love when they pull the 1% vs the 99% stuff.. many of them are in the 1%.

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  3. If it's anything like the novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll walk out after 15 mins. I really tried to like the book, but the hip references to modern tech felt absolutely kickable.. like watching a Sandra Bullock movie in a similar vein. Sorry. I'll pass.

  4. Re:What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who keeps telling Tom Hanks what?

  5. Let me guess... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Silicon Valley and San Francisco are a bike ride away (as shown in The Internship).

    1. Re:Let me guess... by Rei · · Score: 0

      Google's an easy target; this is hardly the first time. Anyone here seen Ex Machina? Plot summary: "Sergey Brin's home pet project is to put Google's neural nets into robots, what could go wrong?". They don't call him Sergey Brin and they don't call the company Google, but they don't exactly hide their basis either.

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    2. Re:Let me guess... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Google's an easy target; this is hardly the first time.

      My pet peeve is not Google but the media's tendency to identify Silicon Valley with San Francisco. The two regions are 50 miles apart. The Internship movie made it appear that it was a bike ride away.

    3. Re:Let me guess... by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Weird. Turns out I've rode a bike from San Francisco to Google's campus. Unless that was just an implanted false memory...

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    4. Re:Let me guess... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Turns out I've rode a bike from San Francisco to Google's campus.

      The Internship movie shows someone getting on a Google bike in Mountain View and then getting off the Google bike in San Francisco. Without breaking a sweat. Those Google bikes aren't really good for long distance riding. The Mountain View police are known to stop and question anyone riding a Google bike far away from the Google campus.

    5. Re:Let me guess... by tlambert · · Score: 1

      35 miles from Moscone Center on Howard Street in San Francisco to the GooglePlex on Amphitheater Parkway in Mountain view.

      As previously noted: I have an idiot friend who bikes this both directions, daily.

  6. very american... by johnjones · · Score: 1

    this already exists....

    please educate your fellow workers :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu#Censorship

    regards

    John Jones

    1. Re:very american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)

      You're a 1950s high speed passenger locomotive from the UK?

  7. Re:What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the question! And if google doesn't even know who keeps telling Tom Hanks what, we need to find out why.

  8. Re:What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Ha by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Tom Hanks is an asshole.

    Trevor Moore, spreading Fake News before it got cool!

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  9. meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If it's from Hollywood, post 1968, then:

    1. The villain will be a US military agency, a US spy agency, a corporation/CEO, a gun company, a non-renewable energy company.

    2. The hero will be a military person who goes rogue, a whistleblower, a leftwing politician, a leftwing lobbyist/staffer/lawyer/journalist/activist.

    3. The evildoer will be motivated by money or political power.

    4. The good outcome will be something leftwing, and the villain will be defeated in-part by some failing of his/her rightwing ideology.

    5. Big government (except for the military), and/or globalist entities (like the UN) will be portrayed positively.

    Somehow, Hollywood keeps pumping out the same basic drivel over and over and pretends that each such plot has some "shocking" element or plot twist, which it does not - this stuff it too predictable now to even be interesting and any variations tend to be very superficial.

    1. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's from Hollywood, post 1968, then:

      1. The villain will be a US military agency, a US spy agency, a corporation/CEO, a gun company, a non-renewable energy company.

      2. The hero will be a military person who goes rogue, a whistleblower, a leftwing politician, a leftwing lobbyist/staffer/lawyer/journalist/activist.

      3. The evildoer will be motivated by money or political power.

      4. The good outcome will be something leftwing, and the villain will be defeated in-part by some failing of his/her rightwing ideology.

      5. Big government (except for the military), and/or globalist entities (like the UN) will be portrayed positively.

      Somehow, Hollywood keeps pumping out the same basic drivel over and over and pretends that each such plot has some "shocking" element or plot twist, which it does not - this stuff it too predictable now to even be interesting and any variations tend to be very superficial.

      In an amazing plot twist you, the viewer, are the enemy... having forfeited any right to privacy in the name of more shiny, shiny things...

    2. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's from Hollywood, post 1968, then:

      1. The villain will be a US military agency, a US spy agency, a corporation/CEO, a gun company, a non-renewable energy company.

      Wow, I must have misunderstood the plot on all those post-1968 movies where I thought the baddies were commies, nazis, drug lords, foreign terrorists, domestic terrorists, anarchists, poor people trying to get rich quick, rich people trying to get richer quick, crazy people trying to do incomprehensible things for incomprehensible reasons, wayward do-gooders, megalomoniacal supercrooks, pirates, pirate hunters, aliens, alien hunters, vampires, vampire hunters, zombies, orcs, dragons, ghosts, etc.

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    3. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Because he mildly pointed out that only someone with a massive chip on their shoulder would claim that only those "bad guys" are seen since 68? Nah. Calm refutation. Perhaps it's you who had a raw nerve touched?

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    4. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by NotInHere · · Score: 1
    5. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      If it's from Hollywood, post 1968, then:

      1. The villain will be a US military agency, a US spy agency, a corporation/CEO, a gun company, a non-renewable energy company.

      Actually the villain is as likely to be European (You do have propensity for using Brits, Germans & occasionally the French)

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    6. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't notice the true villain in all those movies? Who do you think was running things behind the scenes (hint US spy agency coercing a corporation)? Maybe go back and watch them all again now that you know what to look for.

    7. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doesn't have to be european, but the villain HAS to have an accent that makes him obviously non-american.
      Because those old american immigrant sure do love to hate on those new american immigrants.

    8. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it have hurt to include the title of the movies next to the link? :-\

    9. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by fsagx · · Score: 1

      Wow, I must have misunderstood the plot on all those post-1968 movies where I thought the baddies were commies, nazis, drug lords, foreign terrorists, domestic terrorists, anarchists, poor people trying to get rich quick, rich people trying to get richer quick, crazy people trying to do incomprehensible things for incomprehensible reasons, wayward do-gooders, megalomoniacal supercrooks, pirates, pirate hunters, aliens, alien hunters, vampires, vampire hunters, zombies, orcs, dragons, ghosts, etc.

      If you don't like the simulation you're living in, you can always rejoin us here in reality.

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    10. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I forgot a lot of good ones. Sharks, eels, piranhas, snakes, volcanoes, rising water on sinking ships, asteroids, robots, machines on the blink, doomsday devices, heat, cold, incompetent technicians, ghosts, time travellers, parties unknown, mad scientists, angry scientists, monsters created by mad/angry scientists, radiation monsters, diseases, ... It's kind of fun to think through the list.

      And then there's the *real* villians: bad actors, bad directors, bad screenplays, bad ideas, ruining good books, bad soundtracks, theatres that set the sound too loud, people that talk during the movie, people that use electronics during the movie, people that talk to their electronics during the movie, spoilers, overpriced tickets, overpriced snacks, commercials, product placement deals, cameos by overrated actors, actors that are in too many movies, sequels, prequels, remakes, reboots, retcons.

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    11. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      4. The good outcome will be something leftwing, and the villain will be defeated in-part by some failing of his/her rightwing ideology.

      Left-wing and right-wing are overused and meaningless terms. In the traditional sense, there are many things that aren't either right-wing or left-wing. Liberalism (note: not libertarianism) is not left-wing -- the idea that the individual is the most important favours neither the elites (right wing) or the masses (left-wing). In fact, liberalism is fundamentally more right-wing than left-wing, as commercialism enables freedom of choice more than the social norms of a collectivised society does.

      And that is what Hollywood goes for in the end -- the triumph of the individual. The individual may triumph over an enemy state (Sean Connory's submarine captain vs USSR: Hunt for Red October); representatives of the USA (Enemy of the State); a corporation; the Dark Lord of Mordor; a natural disaster; an industrial accident; a war... whatever.

      It's an old standard in fiction, but Hollywood has focused on it almost exclusively. Team movies have mostly failed until recently, which is why the success of the X-Men and the Avengers was such a surprise to everyone.

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    12. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the US government was the bad guy in Planet of the Apes. It was revealed at the end: "You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!".

    13. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Team movies have mostly failed until recently, which is why the success of the X-Men and the Avengers was such a surprise to everyone.

      The success of movies based on some of the most popular young-adult fantasy properties in the world was a surprise ... to everyone?

      And where were you for Seven Samurai, the Magnificent Seven, the Italian Job, Heat, the entire Fast & Furious series, Power Rangers, all the Star Wars movies, Reservoir Dogs, just about any movie set in any real-life war, Team America and all the movies it was parodying, Ocean's 11 and pretty much any other heist movie ever made, etc etc ...

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    14. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mention pirates, please don't forget Ice Pirates!

    15. Re:meh, totally predictable plot lines by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Team movies have mostly failed until recently, which is why the success of the X-Men and the Avengers was such a surprise to everyone.

      The success of movies based on some of the most popular young-adult fantasy properties in the world was a surprise ... to everyone?

      And where were you for Seven Samurai, the Magnificent Seven, the Italian Job, Heat, the entire Fast & Furious series, Power Rangers, all the Star Wars movies, Reservoir Dogs, just about any movie set in any real-life war, Team America and all the movies it was parodying, Ocean's 11 and pretty much any other heist movie ever made, etc etc ...

      Yes, it was a surprise, because it went far beyond comic readers. The Seven Samurai is eastern, and it's all redemption. The Magnificent Seven was a remake of it, and was successful due to being different. There was a rash of clones (Dirty Dozen etc) but they weren't "team" movies, they were people-dying-movies. the Italian Job is about Michael Caine's character, and his struggle. The Power Rangers is kids' TV, and kids TV gives multiple shallow characters to potentially identify with, rather than one strong character. Team America was about the newbie, as were most of the films it parodied.

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  10. Here it comes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, this thing is going to suck. Typical hollywood rubbish. Worse than a Dan Brown story.

  11. Honestly... Anti-Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks more like the movie Anti-Trust more than anything else to me.

    Spoilers below if you haven't watched it

    In both movies a psycho (T)Billionaire tech company CEO decides to spy on everyone (including employees), is fine with 'small sacrifices for the betterment of society' (aka killing a few people who get in HIS way)

    My guess is that the end of the movie (and book) end with the Main Character releasing all the secrets that the Evil Corporation has amassed (including proof of their wrong-doings) to the public in an OSS format. ...

    The CEO was Microsoft/Bill Gates clone in Anti-Trust and is Google/(More generic CEO than what Alphabet has) in The Circle. I think both movies are just social commentary on monopolies and the power they wield... and why they need broken up... ;)

  12. Google sucks at life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I doubt this is about them

  13. Ads by zuxun · · Score: 1

    Is the movie company full of ads?

  14. We viral marketers now? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 1

    Remember, sharing is caring!

    ..The fuck is this supposed to mean? We're expected to shill for this movie because we're geeks? Disgusting.

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    1. Re:We viral marketers now? by codeButcher · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spoiler warning

      From the Wikipedia page on the novel:

      'After a brief incident with her own legal issues, Mae ends up agreeing to wear a SeeChange device [camera recording everything] herself (called going transparent), representing her own growing role in the company, epitomized by a public talk in which she insists, "Secrets are Lies", "sharing is caring," and "privacy is theft." '

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    2. Re:We viral marketers now? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 1

      Awesome, I love it when the world doesn't live up to my cynicism, thank you.

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    3. Re:We viral marketers now? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      No, it means you should torrent it like you've never torrented before.

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    4. Re:We viral marketers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course "privacy is theft" is derived from "property is theft". I'll leave it to you to figure out the implications.

    5. Re:We viral marketers now? by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      1984 called, it wants it's doublespeak back (and, apparently, it's movie plotlines).

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    6. Re:We viral marketers now? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      If anything, to be at least geek-related, they should have written "Share and Enjoy!(TM)".

    7. Re:We viral marketers now? by GrabbaTheButt · · Score: 1

      Remember, sharing is caring!

      ..The fuck is this supposed to mean? We're expected to shill for this movie because we're geeks? Disgusting.

      Sharing is Caring is the go to term for Torrent Pirates.... I believe the OP is urging seeding of the movie

    8. Re:We viral marketers now? by bosef1 · · Score: 1

      Well, it's kind of like how I'm a Beta, and you're an Alpha, but that's okay because "everyone belongs to everyone else".

    9. Re:We viral marketers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you've misheard! I said you must be *in* Beta.

    10. Re:We viral marketers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though it is a classic novel, 1984 is extremely difficult to get through. Animal Farm covers a lot of the same ground and is much more accessible, IMHO. So if someone wants to put the same theme into a modern setting and make it accessible I'm all for it.

      I have a hard time picturing Kip Wilson as the protagonist but I'll try to keep an open mind.

    11. Re:We viral marketers now? by lonecrow · · Score: 1

      Its interesting to me that these dystopian stories are all about a central authority "watching" and "listening" to us so they can intervene and control us. But as witnessed in 2016 rather then listening, it is more of a case of personalized narrow casting into our filter bubbles which then "creates" the reality for the individual. So instead of millions of "SeeChanges" its millions of invisible hooded worm tongues whispering into the ears of citizens convincing them of a reality that is sometimes at odds with what they can see with their very own eyes. http://scontent.cdninstagram.c...

    12. Re:We viral marketers now? by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      You are so right.

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  15. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would also like to know how we dont know who keeps telling Tom Hanks about 'something'. Google? Aside: the Circle alwaus seemed to be more based on farcebook to me and ultimately the political battle between conservatism and out of control liberal fascism.

  16. Who the hell cast tom hanks in this thing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    He couldn't act his way out of a nutsack

    Stay strong, Mr. Hanky.

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    1. Re:Who the hell cast tom hanks in this thing? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      He couldn't act his way out of a nutsack

      Stay strong, Mr. Hanky.

      That was my first thought, then I watched the trailer -- this might actually be a perfect role for him. They're placing him as a Jobs-esque stage speaker, and his acting may not be great acting, but it seems to work as a stage speaker style. I just hope there aren't many scenes where he isn't on stage.

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  17. Antitrust meets 1984 meets Facebook with Hermione. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would have loved to have been in that meeting.

  18. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... the Circle alwaus seemed...

    I know from context that you meant to write "always", but my mind interpreted that word as "walrus" ;)

    liberal fascism

    Now how does that work?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    Fascism /fæzm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] ...

    One common definition of the term focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.[25][26][27] According to many scholars, fascism—especially once in power—has historically attacked communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the far right.[28]

    Roger Griffin describes fascism as "a genus of political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism".[29] Griffin describes the ideology as having three core components: "(i) the rebirth myth, (ii) populist ultra-nationalism and (iii) the myth of decadence".[30] Fascism is "a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism" built on a complex range of theoretical and cultural influences. He distinguishes an inter-war period in which it manifested itself in elite-led but populist "armed party" politics opposing socialism and liberalism and promising radical politics to rescue the nation from decadence.[31] ...

    Some scholars consider fascism to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[42][43] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right, explaining that, "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[44]

    Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[45][46] A major element of fascist ideology that has been deemed to be far-right is its stated goal to promote the right of a supposedly superior people to dominate, while purging society of supposedly inferior elements.[47]

    Benito Mussolini in 1919 described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".[48][49] Later, the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."[50][51] Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue to fascists...

    Fascism is what we today call the "alt-right" - right-populism. The greatest enemy of fascism is those who prefer, support and embrace diversity - what the alt-right calls "cucks". Fascists seek a return to the "good old days", some sort of lost "days of glory", where "traditional" values reigned, while simultaneously rejecting the globalism and the focus on

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  19. Re:What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Ha by Dins · · Score: 1

    Love me some Trevor Moore.

  20. well, they already did MS and FB... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft got Antitrust (with Tim Robbins as "the character who definitely isn't Bill Gates"

    Facebook got um, what was that rubbish called again?

    and now Google.

    Jeff Bozo must be waiting for the Amazon movie with baited breath (typos deliberate).

  21. Tom Hanks is an assh$&@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run home, Forrest.

  22. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by utahjazz · · Score: 1

    On Internet forums, especially if you're AC, "fascism" just means "zealousness". Like, "I hate the liberal fascists just as much as the conservative ones, and the Green Party fascists are the worst.".

  23. Potential "Hackers 4" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trailer had a definite "Antitrust" refresh feel. Glib technicals, up[dated topicality, although the potential solipsist hell of tracked and targeted browsing self-selection/overt censorship may or may not be fully explored in the full movie. Haven't read the book yet to see if it is there. Note to self: get up to speed on Eggers.

  24. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So on "Internet forums" you just make up the meanings of words to suit whatever you'd like to say, interesting.

    I think you're an ass pounding faggot, personally. Don't worry, faggot on Internet forums actually means "faggot."

  25. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though they are both awful, Google is ten times the fascist organization that Facebook is. You don't need my hrlp, evidence is all around the internet and in life. If you are really curious, look up literally anything Eric Schmidt has said or done over the past ten years. It was getting to be so problematic that they took the microphone away from him, he is a true sociopath.

  26. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by epine · · Score: 1

    On Internet forums, especially if you're AC, "fascism" just means "zealousness". Like, "I hate the liberal fascists just as much as the conservative ones, and the Green Party fascists are the worst.".

    No, what it means is that we have a troll here whose agenda is to tilt the entire exchange so that every political disposition is judged against the most strident example of the first-to-mind reductive cliche.

    It's a war against subtlety. It's a war against moderates and it's a war against moderation—where "moderation" means the kind of people who think before speaking. It's a distributed, grassroots campaign to normalize the extremes through the implication that all stupidity is created equal. It's painting an f-washed world in which no person is angry or intense because they have a valid point to make about some aspect of society being not right. It's an exit ramp lowered to a swamp world where anger is a Halloween costume (Yoda, Darth Vader), rather than a tool (Martin Luther King, Jr).

    That's what it means when 'fascism' becomes a trivialized wingnut stand-in for 'zealotry', a word which already has two boots firmly planted in labelling over listening. Add heels, click, and the world becomes corn-belt Kansas 24/7.

  27. rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fearmongering! Keep calm and learn to code and use linux. Fuck apple, fuck m$, fuck google! Fuck this stupid film too lol...

  28. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    I do not believe the GP meant to indicate any support for the usage, just comment on what it was.

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  29. They *are*. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Silicon Valley and San Francisco are a bike ride away (as shown in The Internship).

    They *are*. I have an idiot friend who makes the commute from SF to Facebook via bicycle daily. Only if it's raining does he load his bike on the rack on the bus, in the hopes that it will stop raining later, and he will be able to use the bike to go the other direction, the next time he needs to move from one to the other.

    Of course... he's Australian, and they are all crazy. ;^)

  30. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The meanings of all words is made up. They are also fluid and change over time. There's no right meaning to a word, there's just its usage.

  31. Lets see .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... if Hanks can crash land this one without killing everyone.

    Wait, that would be more like Yahoo!

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  32. Just read the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just read the book.

  33. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, thank you for summarizing the situation from the liberal point of view.

    I will try to give a view from the center.

    Usually when someone says "fascism" in this context they really mean "totalitarianism". Essentially everyone conflates the Nazis, fascists and totalitarianism but it is clear that totalitarianism can be on any side of the political spectrum, it just has too many syllables.

    So the current backlash, which got a demagogue (Trump) elected was, in my opinion, caused as a reaction against the leftist (or liberal if you wish) totalitarianism that has been on the rise recently. These groups have gone around dictating their view of the world and then actively gone on campaigns to deny platforms and ruin the livelihoods of people who do not conform.

    As an example, equality in race is not enough. Even though laws have been passed that make it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race for housing, jobs, school and anything else, these groups insist that there is institutional racism and that the majority group has to accept that they have a "privilege" and atone for it. Any questioning of this on the part of the majority group is seen as additional evidence of racism and is termed "fragility". Further efforts are made to dehumanize the majority group and to negate what they have to say with statements, like "It's not possible to be racist against Whites".

    Other examples exist, including Feminist claims that there is a rape culture in the West and other groups insisting that a failure to use their chosen pronouns is actual violence against them.

    What all of these groups share is a totalitarian methodology that tries to control all discussion, dictate what is and isn't OK to talk about, and to enforce their world view through threats and intimidation.

  34. Re:What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom Ha by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 0

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  35. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That works in the U.S. mindset because the "liberals" of the United States, the Democrats, are opposed to individual liberty and support Corporation control of the government. In the U.S., the "right" end of the spectrum is the one that is classically liberal.

  36. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

    You contradict yourself and even the references you posted from Wikipedia. I suggest liberal doses of psilocybin, and some time away from whatever you have been reading.

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    When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
  37. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're giving them to much credit. War and agenda implies a plan and purpose, when they are probably just picking up the first word that has a heavy negative connotation they can think of (whether it makes sense in context hardly matters to them). The push to extremes where moderates are shouted into the background is a side effect that they are perfectly happy to accept. Certainly this is something that politicians of both sides have latched onto to convince people that all their problems are caused by the other party. They no longer bother stating their agenda, they expect you to infer it from what they attack about their opponent. To many of us have given in to our natural attraction to ideas that re-enforce our preconceived notions and actively seek out news and friends that do nothing to challenge them.

    While I see your point about making a valid point in an intense way, I have never considered Martin Luther King, Jr an angry man. He had ample reason to be and he certainly was not accepting of the injustices he fought against, but he was not belligerent or hateful. We respect him because he saw a problem and unlike many of his contemporaries he approached in a way that exposed those that perpetuated those injustices as angry and uncaring instead of joining them. I hold him in high regard because he found a way to make the grievances known to the world that could not be ignored, but still civil and non-violent (for his part).

    I agree it is important that fascism not be trivialized. It is important that it retain its original meaning since it reminds us of the historical evidence that the extremes of political ideology are not the answer. There is no way to maintain an extremely left or extremely right wing government without gaining and abusing the power to silence opposition. Since no ideology is "pure" this generally expands to the point where it includes your neighbor, your loved ones, or you.

    You kind of lost your point with the Kansas statement, since that statement is a form of labeling contradicting your previous statement. Trump actually came in a distant second in the Kansas primary. While I've met a few Trump supporters here, I've probably met as many Hillary supporters (very few). When I say supporter I mean someone who actually thinks electing the Trump or Hillary was a good idea. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, but most as a way of voting against Hillary. In Kansas, Trump was one of the terrible candidates running who happened to be mildly more acceptable to some people. For my part I wrote in my own candidate as neither candidate represented my view point and were unacceptable.

    A Moderate Conservative, Kansas

  38. I read the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would amend "more than a passing resemblance to Google" with a heavy dose of Fosterite Cult (cause I don't dare sat Scientology).
    I found it to be an easy, light and fluffy read. It's premise is group-think magnified by tech and the WW Web. Resulting loss of individuality. See also Hellstrom's Hive. The book makes it point, but like many polemics it leaves me feeling like I wish it were a novella or short story. Or I was expecting a nice steak and someone serves me kale.

  39. Re: What I want to know is who keeps telling Tom H by utahjazz · · Score: 1

    You are correct. I don't support the usage. Just trying to warn Rei that 5 paragraphs on how fascism is incompatible with liberalism is not going to hit home with AC.