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China Takes Action On Thousands Of Websites For 'Harmful', Obscene Content (reuters.com)

China has shut down or "dealt with" thousands of websites for sharing "harmful" erotic or obscene content since April, the state's office for combating pornography and illegal publications announced on Thursday. From a report on Reuters: The office said 2,500 websites were prosecuted or shut down and more than 3 million "harmful" posts were deleted in eight months up to December during a drive to "purify" the internet in China and protect youth, the official Xinhua news agency reported. The government has tightening its grip on Chinese cyberspace in recent months, in particular placing new restrictions on the fast-growing live-streaming industry. The state has a zero-tolerance approach to what it considers lewd, smutty or illegal content and has in past crackdowns removed tens of thousands of websites in a single year.

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  1. Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, it's subversive political content they want to get rid of. They eliminate pornography as a front to do that. Of course, they are reducing porn in small ways, but mostly, they can get up and thump "We're protecting the nation from smut!" while quashing dissident and unfavorable opinions. It just gives them a cover of statistics they can use to justify their increasingly invasive censorship.

    1. Re:Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When in doubt, call it "seditious speech" if in a secular country or "heresy/blasphemy" in a theocratic nation. Always good excuses to torture or kill people who don't agree with the government in charge.

      It may instill fear in the populace, but it doesn't help the nation in the long run... when discussion is stifled, it winds up turning into action (like how anything non-PC was fervently attacked in the US... which resulted in a far right-wing step by people who were prevented from discussing, so "discussed" their issues with their vote.) Repression of speech also ensures the best and brightest people flee to other places. That's why even though a number of Asian countries are very industrialized, the top talent in the world tends to stay in Europe, the US, or even Russia.

    2. Re:Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Communist Chinese government is a living cautionary tale to the rest of the world: This is what your countrys' government will look like sooner or later, unless you are forever vigilant against it happening. You keep trading your civil rights and human rights away for imaginary things like 'safety' and governments that look like Chinas' is what you'll eventually get.

    3. Re: Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well does it matter? Like fake news is any better? At least it's relatively easy to VPN

    4. Re:Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one applies basic mathematical concepts to governments, then democracies like in the US and Europe are metastable. The most stable countries tend to be one of three categories:

      1: Tiny kingdoms or tribes always at war with each other. Any that gets too big is brought down by an alliance, and then truces drop and war resumes. The political intrigue of mini Eurasias, Oceanias, and Eastasias will keep things "stable" for centures. Africa is another area, with tribes always at war with each other, so there is no real solid government to speak of.

      2: Repressive theocracies. Revolutionaries are not just fighting brutal tyrants, but brutal tyrants with "god" on their side.

      3: Monarchies/dictatorships. One can see the line blur in places like Cuba and North Korea, as power is handed down from father to son, making them technically monarchies.

    5. Re: Pornography is a Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more complex than that. It's always more complex than a short blog post can cover.

  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do it with child pornography and bestiality websites in America, and I'm glad. Wait a second, the FBI actually runs child porn sites as an "enforcement strategy"?!

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a-okay when the government does it.

  3. good, that leaves more for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  4. IRS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully they shut down the IRS website. It's obscene and harmful.

    1. Re:IRS by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You are 6,500 years too late to complain about taxes.

      But, if we find some DNA, maybe we can bring dinosaurs back. Make Dino's Great Again!

    2. Re:IRS by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We need to use genetic engineering to bring back the dinosaurs, this time with much bigger brains. Maybe they can run things better than we can.

    3. Re:IRS by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      We are already giving a Trumposaurus a shot.

    4. Re:IRS by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's not funny. That's extremely insulting to dinosaurs.

  5. Trump copied their wall rhetoric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he'll copy this, too.

    Except he'll make the customers pay for it.

  6. Life without porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how my life would have been different without it.

    1. Re:Life without porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would be a blue-balled rapist. We all would be.

    2. Re:Life without porn by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      People would wonder why you still have a Sears Catalog and why the women's underwear section was so worn.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    3. Re:Life without porn by John+Allsup · · Score: 1

      The fundamentalist Islamic states give a good picture of where the 'shield people from sexual immorality' approach ends up. To ensure 'male sexual morality' you have to make women invisible. To ensure 'female sexual morality', you have to make women silent, and the property of their owners, either their fathers or their husbands. That is where the religious nutcases of this world wish to push us.

      If we don't want to go down that route, then there must be a means to keep our basic human sexual nature fed, exercised and happy, so as not to seek satisfaction 'at all costs'. By trying to 'lock it in a box and starve it into submission', we do not achieve this, but rather strengthen our sexual appetites, and promote the 'something is better than nothing' attitude which leads top guys wanking off to the underwear sections of clothing catalogues, or to weathergirls, or whatever. Having a world where every basic need is met, but where people's sexual drives are basically starved, is a recipe for disaster. But that is exactly what many 'mindless moralist' campaigners think is what we need.

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      John_Chalisque
  7. Or call it treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You see,THIS is why you have to be better ALL THE TIME, and you can't just go "Well, so and so is worse!". You lose ALL right to complain, because they can just ignore the hypocrisy.

    Not just "Treason", either. Call it a terrorist meet-up, pirate organisation, kiddie fiddler stash or internet gambling site, and you USians will shut down whatever the hell you like.

    FFS, you exported DMCA which allows corporations to do it just for "We own rights to something with the same name, shut them down". Do it three times and you can silence any voice you wish. The difference is that they don't care to export their demands and expect to get their way outside their borders, unlike the USA.

    PS what you forget is that the chinese have a different culture to USians (or Westerners in general), and most of them, the majority (you DO know what that means in a democracy, right?) think this action is right and proper. Just like you with your kiddie porn (when the stuff is post-pubescent and therefore adults, just SOCIALLY still underage of consent), or communism.

    1. Re:Or call it treason by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      The key difference is that when governments do it it's repression, but when corporations do it it's legitimate protection of shareholder value.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Or call it treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS what you forget is that the chinese have a different culture to USians (or Westerners in general), and most of them, the majority (you DO know what that means in a democracy, right?) think this action is right and proper.

      Just because it's a prevailing view doesn't mean it's right or good for them. For a long time in the USA, people believed "separate but equal" was a good idea. And heck, the government went along with it. Protect the children from that corrupting black music too! How terrible it is! Didn't make it any of that right.

      People believe what their governments tell them. Look at what goes on with the TSA and the NSA surveillance here: people believe that's keeping them safe so they go along with it. And that doesn't mean they think it's proper or right; it's something they accept as necessary. Not different in China with the censorship. People put up with it because
      1) They are "rah! rah! rah! China!" and the CCP's tapping into that nationalism allows them to do what they want under "Make China great!" (Does this sound familiar?)
      2) They've made a bargain with the CCP: you guys keep the order and keep us working and we'll put up with your bullshit.
      3) It's always been this way. They don't know an alternate way of life or thinking. There's a reason why so many Chinese work to stay after studying at universities in the USA; I've heard many complain of being a second-class citizen here (e.g., racism, foreigner with limited rights) but this is preferable to being a first-class citizen in China, since that's not very first-class.

      Again, acceptance doesn't mean they like it or think it's good.

  8. Purity is such an impure word by Visarga · · Score: 2

    Purity is such an impure word - it means repression, persecution and lack of liberty. It's been abused since time immemorial, the main tool in the ideological toolbox.

  9. Not censorship by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 2

    China doesn't have a first amendment, so it's not censorship. Even if it were, it's being enacted by the comms operators, which some will say makes it not matter since the first amdemnenenent only impacts the government.

    So there. Please to be removink your insultink title. China stronk laa.

    1. Re:Not censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China is just removing harmful fake news.

      ISPs and other private entities are allowed to censor. Nobody has a right to demand they carry a message any more than they can demand that the phone company allow them to say whatever they want on the phone.

      Nothing to see here, move along.

    2. Re:Not censorship by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      China doesn't have a first amendment, so it's not censorship.

      Nice try. Censorship is simply defined as the act by an official of regulating access or editing content that is deemed objectionable or sensitive. Whether content meets these criteria is based only on a judgement call, there is nothing in the definition that says it has to be legally based.

      Even if it were, it's being enacted by the comms operators, which some will say makes it not matter since the first amdemnenenent only impacts the government.

      Likewise, the "official" is simply the individual who is tasked with carrying out this action, anyone can be in this role, not just government agents. So that would make an employee of the provider just as much an "official". Same with volunteer moderators on any internet message board. If they have the power and are sanctioned to use it for that purpose by the people in charge, they are officials.

      Also, big oops on your part: China's telecom companies are state-owned. That technically means all the provider employees are government employees.

    3. Re:Not censorship by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      I had no idea censorship was defined by the first amendment.

    4. Re:Not censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then read it again, Popeye. It doesn't JUST say 'fuck snowflake liberals in the asshole vis speaking truth to power' ..... but it might have ...

    5. Re:Not censorship by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 1

      Well, I did say amdemnenenent.

    6. Re:Not censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Freedom of speech' and 'Freedom of thought' should be basic human rights, not something to be granted or taken away, and any government that denies it's citizens these or any other basic human rights should not be allowed to stand, plain and simple.

      China should not be allowed to silence it's citizens
      Bashar al Assad should not be allowed to indiscriminately bomb the citizens of Syria
      States in the U.S. should not be allowed to enact laws that discourage or prevent non-whites from voting in elections
      Russia and Vladimir Putin should not be allowed to interfere in the free and open elections of another country -- or his own

    7. Re:Not censorship by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      China doesn't have a first amendment, so it's not censorship.

      This may seem like a bit of a fine distinction to you. It is censorship, but since China does not have the equivalent of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution, Chinese nationals enjoy no constitutional protection from state, or indeed corporate, censorship.

      You will understand, of course, that since this is being done to protect the purity of the young, only those who for whatever perverse reasons want minors corrupted could possibly object. Ahem.

      --
      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    8. Re:Not censorship by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      'Freedom of speech' and 'Freedom of thought' should be basic human rights, not something to be granted or taken away, and any government

      On the legal positivist view: A right is that which you can get it enforced in your favour in a court of law. Only those "rights" which have been granted, say by inclusion in a Bill of Rights, are actually rights (as opposed to aspirations). Freedom of speech is indeed a universal aspiration, but it is a right only where either in the course of devising government (i.e. via a Constitution), or statutorily by being enacted by Parliament, that right has been granted.

      Alternatively on a natural law view: Chinese citizens have a right of free speech, they simply risk being executed if the exercise it.

      --
      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    9. Re:Not censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is government censorship according to summary. A government censorship is not the only form of censors in any case. Chinese have much stronger links with the corporations and the government than in the West, which naturally causes confusion in the insular East.

      So there. Please to be removink your insultink title. China stronk laa.

      Yes, Chinese speak funny. Much fun joke haa. Are we upset about the recent HS article on IOJ and its role on Soviet propaganda distribution (HIV is US biological weapon!!!), perhaps?

    10. Re:Not censorship by Maritz · · Score: 1

      China doesn't have a first amendment, so it's not censorship.

      You don't know what the word 'censorship' means.

      Please to be removink your insultink title. China stronk laa.

      What accent is that supposed to be? Kinda weird to see a 'bad accent' in text form. You look like you've hit eastern europe there.

      --
      I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
    11. Re:Not censorship by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 1

      >(...) only those who for whatever perverse reasons want minors corrupted could possibly object.

      What if I want minors corrupted, and also censorship? We shouldn't allow wholesome ideas to cross the eye-brain barrier after all.

  10. Be like trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump said all mainstream media are liars
    Trump doesn't pay taxes
    He is smart
    Be like trump

  11. seriously??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on Chinese dating sites I have had women offer me their underage daughters for sex if only I will help them get green cards. Apparently 'morality' in China means something different than it does in the USA

    No, I do not need sex with children, I did not accept said offers nor would I ever. I am happy to help people move to the USA if they want to, but you can't bribe me with illicit/imoral stuff.

    1. Re:seriously??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wouldn't actually give you an underage girl to have sex with, their daughters or not, they're scamming you -- because the Chinese government is so oppressive that it makes people desperate enough to get out from under it that they'll do anything, even if it's illegal. As much as I hate some people in China for the international crimes they've committed in the name of profit, I have some understanding, I think, or why it is so that they do these things: The only way to be even relatively free in China must be to be rich enough that you can afford to pay large enough bribes to the right government officials so that you can be (relatively speaking) left alone to live in (relative) peace. The average, non-wealthy Chinese citizen is more or less treated like an expendable resource by their own government; they don't give a rats' ass about human life, let alone human rights, and they prove that over and over again on a regular basis through their own actions. You push people hard and far enough and they'll get desperate enough to do all sorts of things they otherwise wouldn't dream of doing.

  12. Like Facebook and Twitter does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see why we're up in arms here...

    I thought it's good when Facebook and Twitter block "harmful" content... like fake news...

  13. warm-up for the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald Trump will call Gina "progressive" and "smart" as he does the same in the US

  14. Great Strategy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ISPs and other private entities are allowed to censor.

    Pure unadulterated, fascist propaganda delivered straight to you, with not even a hint of dissent.

  15. Hey, look over there at China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While we passed this on December 8th:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act

    Now it's time for Czar Trump to gut the Western-friendly Radio Free Europe/Asia organizations (who even uses the radio... SAD low energy RF) and America to start purifying "propaganda" and "fake news."

    MAGA. Bigly.

    It's all about that red, white, and blue baby. We're just not sure which flag that is anymore.

  16. Hosts files protect vs. millions of bad sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus (slows you) + less security issues/complexity.

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  17. Free speech is a Human Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reserved to all humans, not just Americans. The 1st admendment to the US constitution protects the public from congress "abridging THE freedom of speech" (emphasis mine) implying that the freedom of speech was a pre-existing right, not granted by the government. It doesn't matter if china doesn't have a constitution or a '1st amendment' all humans have the right to free speech and this is the Chinese government engaging in censorship.

    NOTE TO AMERICANS: there are plenty of lawmakers here who would like to pass similar legislation to remove smut from the internet. We need to stay vigilant to ensure our rights don't disappear.

    1. Re:Free speech is a Human Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And NDAs are censorship.

      Same with copyrights, patents and trademarks.

      Might as well call property ownership theft...

  18. Only if you believe in double-speak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which may be what you intend, to show the double standard.

    If you're sacked, lose your job, lose your house (no money) can't feed yourself (no money) and die, in what way is this fine and dandy?

    1. Re:Only if you believe in double-speak. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate freedom? Are you one of them thar cormanusts?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  19. According to slashdot, Facebook is doing the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/12/15/1853235/facebook-is-clamping-down-on-fake-news-partners-with-fact-checkers-to-flag-stories#comments

  20. Purify the internet. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Chairman Canute's initiative, I assume?

    1. Re:Purify the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China, so much disappoint. The Internet exists to host the smut! What would our Internets be without the smutty sites? Nothing, I say!

  21. I do not get it by gweihir · · Score: 1

    China has an overpopulation problem. Why ever would they clamp down on pornography? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    1. Re:I do not get it by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      re It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever..
      Western brands trying to sell into China are always happy to report users for short term market share.
      China wants its staff to be Party members, in the mil or doing great things for China and be seen to get top rankings vs other nations.
      Study, self improvement, supporting the Party is been side tracked and eroded by outside influences.
      Say a mil officer from China gets sent to the West to study and bring back another nations emerging academic concepts.
      They see students and staff exchanging ideas, enjoying media, books, movies, musics, online culture without been reported.
      No restrictive uniforms, the freedom to say what you want in a staff meeting about funding, gov cut backs or needed new equipment or waste, incompetence or party political interference.
      Back in China they remember that freedom, the internet, the friends who did not report people, helpful staff, the freedom to find housing, the lack of a uniform everyday, the creativity, the ability to buy a book, any book. To go see any movie.
      The fear of China is that material will flood in from Japan, the West that will attractive to its workers and its best Party members.
      Ideas that support individuality, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to advance without needing the Party. Not having to denounce or report your friends, neighbours, colleagues or been asked why your not reporting more people.
      MI6, the CIA and Japan see an opening with faith based material, science fiction, anime, music, movies, art, cults to flood China. Easy to consume addictive material with distractions that weaken China's educational systems and wider Party control. The individual drifts away from the mil, Party to their own freedoms, hobbies, cult, faith, anime, music. Distracted, solitary, sedentary, addicted and lazy or finds dedication in helping cults, separatist movements, NGO's or democratic politics.
      China knows a free person can escape Communism totally and has to do everything it can to stop that. So it follows the best practice of censorship and control.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:I do not get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy that's a nice bunch of websites ya host there, would be a REAL SHAME if you went to JAIL for hosting them

      Maybe a donation to our purification promotion budget would give you time to deal with those hosted sites

      *audible wink*

    3. Re:I do not get it by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Why ever would they clamp down on pornography?

      Here's my take on that: If you're a single adult, or two married single adults, you don't have as much to lose if you feel strongly enough about something to speak up or do something active about it. However if you have children, now you have innocent lives to protect who can't do anything to protect themselves. So now the government can, in one sense or another, hold them hostage, to force you to do what they want you to do. Consider also how little regard, apparently, the Chinese government has for human life; if you accept that as fact, then it makes the above all the more plausible.

    4. Re:I do not get it by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Basically the censorship has nothing what so ever to do with porn and everything to do with politics. Nearly every country on the globe is trying to go down this exact censorship route. The camouflage of "we need to protect children from internet porn" when what they really mean is, we need to censor all non government approved internet political speech.

      The reality is, yes children do need to be protected from the adult internet and this can only be done by running a parrallel, encrypted and secured internet protocol, monitored and secured to ensure only approved content get on the the child safe internet, that hooks up schools and other education facilities to provide quality sound content, Adults allowed on are all specifically registered (play on the child safe internet as an adult and you will pay in prison as an adult) and minors log in via their student ID card and their internet experience is tailored to their age, what is fit for 16 year olds is not fit for 6 year olds. Of course the greedy shit heads do not want this because no political censorship for adults possible and most importantly no free access to minors by adults to sell the junk food and manipulate them to scam them out of their pocket money (literally billionaires stealing children's pocket money, the psychopathic greed just mind boggling).

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    5. Re:I do not get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn is often the gateway drug to sex.

  22. Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state has a zero-tolerance approach to what it considers lewd, smutty or illegal content ...

    My experience with the Chinese internet was that porn was difficult to find. While Asian culture in general doesn't promote lust and nudity, China hasn't monetized it while Japan has.

  23. Coming to America: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK is expanding their filters to include more content based on the same 'protect the children' bu** s*it. Where do you think it's going to land next? I know I know. It's going to land right here in the United States. When they rolled out Ez Pass I knew it was bad. It was a tracking system. I opted out. I chose not to adopt it. It wasn't worth the cost of my freedom. Many others new where it was going like I did. It eventually became the norm and that's when they hit us. They eliminated the toll booths altogether and forced everybody to adopt it. Then they punished those who refuse by charging them more based on the bu** shi** argument that it was more expensive to bill people based on their license plate. I'm sorry- but no. It's 30% more expensive to put up tolls than simply pay for them with tax dollars. There is no excuse for having another more expansive taxing mechanism. And it certainly shouldn't come at the price of my freedom and privacy. I don't expect to have much privacy when I'm out and about, but I do expect that government respect my right not to be tracked everywhere I go based on things *they* forced on me (license plate) under the guise of security. You don't need a license plate on every vehicle to make an arrest. You don't even need a license plate to track a car down if people are so concerned about the risk of the theft. It's called GPS. You don't need the government to mandate license plates on every car to achieve security and I'd like to see these things eliminated rather than mandated.

    The Chinese might have done it first, but then the United Kingdom adopts, and next it'll be the United States.

    If you don't believe in government dominating us and you don't think there should be any laws for which there are no victims nor violence, coercion, theft or fraud then you may be a principled libertarian (libertarians at the national level are scum, no better than conservatives/republicans/democrats).

    Check out the Free State Project and Shire Society which are migrations of principled libertarians to New Hampshire for the purpose of forming a freedom and liberty friendly utopia. Check out Free Keene (http://www.freekeene.com) for liberty-news in NH.

    Real or principled libertarians don't demand boarder guards (boarder guards = big government and regulation). Real libertarians don't believe in drivers licenses, vehicular registration, license plates, social security, welfare, government indoctrination programs (ie public schools), wars, the police state, or regulation of what two people do in their own home (marriage, be it gay marriage or polygamy). We don't believe in the government having any authority to decide what we can put in our bodies (drugs) or if / how we can do business (licenses are often nothing more than a tax and/or means of limiting competition, we can develop better systems to protect consumers via eBay-like review systems of yesteryear and similar). We don't need government dictating who can and can not driver. We do not need government instituted security (police). There are other means of protecting oneself. There are commercial security firms providing patrolling services in places where governments have failed (Detroit) and apps that'll enable users to call upon friends, family, and neighbours for help in an emergency and good Samaritans in close proximity. We don't believe in tracking, restricting, regulating, or banning guns or other weapons. We don't believe in tax-heavy systems, war, or government enforced socialism (we do tend to be very pro-charity- but that's a choice we each have to make individually, otherwise it's theft, and we are against wealth redistribution programs of all kinds, be it corporate, for bailing out banks/car manufacturers or individuals). We simply want to be free of government interference and put responsibility for oneself back into the hands of the people and we want to give people the financial means back to do just that. If you eliminated all taxes in all forms you'd end up with twice as much money. There would be plenty of ways to spend that including securing ones retirement, security, health care needs, and so on.

  24. Coming soon by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Coming soon to a puritanical former democracy near you.

  25. UK, Australia... by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    So now China is the 'bad guy' for blocking websites? The UK has been doing this for years and Australia is now following suit. Except it's not the Chinese government but the Hollywood Government that's behind it. More European countries now do the same thing. Soon you'll see first Canada, then the US do the same thing ("bla bla Internation standard bla bla").

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    When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.