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US Court Demands Documents On AT&T/Police Collaboration (eff.org)

"The federal government has not justified its excessive secrecy about the massive telephone surveillance program known as Hemisphere, a court ruled in an EFF Freedom of Information Act lawsuit on Thursday." schwit1 quotes the EFF announcement: As a result, the federal government must submit roughly 260 pages of previously withheld or heavily redacted records to the court so that it can review them and decide whether to make more information about Hemisphere public. Hemisphere is a partnership between AT&T and federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies that allows police almost real-time access to telephone call detail records. The program is both extremely controversial -- AT&T requires police to hide its use from the public -- and appears to violate our First and Fourth Amendment rights.
Government lawyers had argued the disputed documents were restricted to use at the federal level, but the court remained unconvinced, especially "after EFF demonstrated that many of them appeared to have been given to state and local law enforcement."

48 comments

  1. Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has Trump commented on this controversial program? How great will this program make America if kept?

    1. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just it. On all matters of civil rights we voted the courts out of existence. We have Trump now. The status of the entire system is lame duck. Welcome to Philippines West!

    2. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those "civil" rights you referring to are in fact liberal rights of scumbags like Soros to exploit low life like slaves.
      Stop shilling for scumbags."

      Vladimir? Is that you? We thought you were on your way to vacation in Syria...

    3. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is Vladimir? Must be someone really close to your heart to keep track.

  2. Re:The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stalin had Lenin and Trotsky murdered. So no thanks.

  3. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trotsky was a traitor, so he got what he deserved.
    Stalin has nothing to do with Lenin's death, on the contrary.

  4. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is more socialist than your butthurt liberal Soros and his butt-buddy Rothschild.

  5. Re:The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then go ahead and off yourself - leaves more for the rest of us.
    You obviously are a special snowflake libtard.

  6. Thank you EFF, I was wrong by Humbubba · · Score: 0

    Thank you EFF, for making the courts look fair. Until now, I thought it was a forgone conclusion the courts would side with the state in any surveillance and/or security vs. legal issue, no matter the credibility of the state's case. I'm glad to say I was wrong.

    1. Re:Thank you EFF, I was wrong by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      The courts are just upset that /they/ can't view them either.

      It's just a power game where the police told the courts they can't give them the documents to review and the court is like, "Dude wtf? Yes we can."

    2. Re:Thank you EFF, I was wrong by Humbubba · · Score: 3
      Njorthbiatr said

      The courts are just upset that /they/ can't view them either.

      Yeah, when the rubber meets the road, it's a deal between the corporation and the cops, not the courts. And because Hemisphere is secret, the courts can't decide if it violates the Constitution. Why is any of this even legal?

  7. WTF Slashdot? by jrumney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why am I getting spammed on my work email address for deals.slashdot.org since yesterday? It isn't even the address I have registered, so where did you purchase you spam list from? This is a new low for Slashdot, the new owners started well, but it's now clear what your real intentions for the site are.

  8. Should eliminate "don't tell" warrants, contracts by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... AT&T requires police to hide its use from the public ...

    As does the contract Harris makes them sign to use Stingray and related devices - which investigative agencies have used as an excuse for perjury in court. As do the Executive Branch's National Security Letters - administrative subpoenas for communication or financial information with gag orders attached.

    IMHO these provisions should all be blocked - struck down by courts as contempt and perjury in the first class (courtroom rules trump civil contracts when the info is relative to the case in a court of competent jurisdiction), unconstitutional prior restraint on free speech and the right to council in the second. Then this should be nailed down by legislation, as well, for belt-and-suspenders protection of civil rights.

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  9. ... when the info is relative to the case in a court of competent jurisdiction ...

    Argh! 'Relevant", not "relative".

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  10. Merry Christmas, EFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You keep giving and giving. Thank you!

  11. Re:SJW angle? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    All individuals are social, and it is honorable to fight, for -- justice for all !

  12. Re:SJW angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is quite a difference between "Justice for All" and "social justice". The former is honourable, the latter is impossible and relies on the notion that it's somehow possible to pick up shit by the clean end.

  13. so controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The program is both extremely controversial

    It's been in existence since 2007 (thanks Obama) and was first written about in 2013. How controversial can it be? I think probably the most controversial aspect is the exorbitant fees AT&T is charging the government for access to its historical call detail records and various analytic tools to conduct detailed searches.

    1. Re:so controversial by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      since 2007 (thanks Obama)

      Say whaaa?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:so controversial by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      since 2007 (thanks Obama)

      Thanks subtraction.

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      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    3. Re:so controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History is a "liberal" art, so it must be avoided at all costs.

    4. Re: so controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald Trump loves the poorly educated and the poorly educated, like the wing nut who posted the parent post, love Trump! Obama took office in January of 2009 you ignorant clown.

    5. Re:so controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How quickly we forget... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs

    6. Re:so controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since 1987

    7. Re:so controversial by Zxern · · Score: 1

      No he's correct. Obama did nothing to curtail these practices, and his justice department has even embraced them. So yeah thanks Obama for being just like the other guys.

  14. Get juries to do their job by Bruce66423 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Defence counsels should focus on the fact that these ruling allow police officers to lie in court to invite the jury to reject the police evidence and go not guilty. A few collapsed trials on that basis could be salutary

    Defence Attorney: I understand that your police force may or may not have Stingrays, which you are allowed to lie about if you do have them? Is that correct?

    Defence: So when you promise to tell the whole truth, you aren't really saying that, you're saying 'I'm telling as much of the truth as I think I should'. So why should we take ANYTHING you say as the truth?

    Defence: I ask you again officer. Is it legal for your police department to mislead a court?

    etc...

    1. Re:Get juries to do their job by BostonPilot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, hey, I agree this is what should happen.

      What will happen:

      Defence: I ask you again officer. Is it legal for your police department to mislead a court?

      Officer: Absolutely not. (he says lying through his teeth)

    2. Re:Get juries to do their job by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Also:

      Prosector: Objection! (Any of several didn't show relevance to this case or otherwise admissible type complaints.)

      Judge: Sustained. (Yawn.)

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  15. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama is even responsible for Bush era policies :)

    Seriously America needs publicly funded mental health again to get all the crazies off the street.

    1. Re:Yeah... by Ron+Goodman · · Score: 1

      He's responsible for Bush era policies he didn't reverse, and Bush era criminals he didn't prosecute. They'll be right back at it under the Trump regime, and why wouldn't they, if they could skate though two terms of a Democratic administration with no worries.

  16. Controversy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of this will stop until a few Senators and Congresscritters and Judges are nabbed/tagged and it comes out that Stingray/AT&T/Google/FaceBook/Verizon/Comcast/etc... are all complict in the nabbing/tagging of the member (s) of congress/courts. Then we'll see some legislation and Court action that stops this type of police-state/1984 behavior.
    Personally, I figure that a few sacrificial congress/court members to be a satisfactory trade for stopping this stuff.
    I would feel better if lobbyists were targeted first though, just a little vacuuming under the rug to get rid of the hidden dirt...

    1. Re:Controversy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol @ Senators, Congressman or Judges getting nabbed in your story. Good fiction.

  17. Re:SJW angle? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    All justice is social because justice is a social institution. Problem solved. ;)

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  18. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who use the word libtard are gay and have small dicks.

  19. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should know, since you used it.

  20. Who Else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, who else besides AT&T are plugged into this masssive spy database? Gotta be more players.

  21. Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently there is a Romanian hacker paying 10BC for codebase belonging to Hemisphere. It'll only be a matter of time before a greedy fed rolls over.

  22. Timberland Homme Pas Chers by zhenhaibu · · Score: 1

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  23. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump socialist? I think you're confusing Socialism with fascism. He has no interest in the working class, beyond its ability to fuel HIS business endeavors.

  24. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shows what you know. It's against the law of genetics for gay people to have small dicks. Especially if they're black.

  25. Re: The only solution by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    He's a trumpist.
    The truth is whatever he wants it to be
    ESPECIALLY when the facts indicate he is wrong!

  26. Re: The only solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dare you to show me your dick size!
    I'm gay and VERY proud of it!
    Fucker!

  27. Re:SJW angle? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    Exactly

  28. Re:SJW angle? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    Correction,

    "justice for all" also in the sense of equality of individual worth