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Seattle Region Home To 10 of Nation's 30 Most Competitive Neighborhoods For House Hunters (geekwire.com)

After a recent report revealed Seattle had the nation's hottest housing market for the second month running, it should come as no surprise that many of the most competitive neighborhoods in the country are clustered around the Seattle region. From a report on GeekWire: Redfin, a Seattle-based real estate and technology company, crunched the numbers on the most competitive neighborhoods from house hunters across 27 U.S. metro areas. Four of the top 10 and 10 of the top 30 hottest neighborhoods are in or near Redfin's hometown of Seattle. Bellevue, Wash.'s Factoria neighborhood, home to T-Mobile, is the most competitive neighborhood in the country. Seattle's University district is second, followed by two neighborhoods in Boston, Mass. Redfin ranked the neighborhoods based on the percentages of homes that sold for cash and sold for more than their asking price. Analysts also considered the median days on the market and home price growth in each neighborhood. Home prices in the Seattle area are soaring, fueled by booming job and population growth.

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  1. Houses sold for cash is a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can tell us which houses are being bought by the rich. No one else has that kind of money.

    1. Re:Houses sold for cash is a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those without good credit, like drug dealers, pimps, pretty much any black guy buying a house. Just kidding. Relax. MOST black guys buying a house.

  2. Too much eggnog? by sinij · · Score: 2

    Why is this on /. ? Too much eggnog by msmash ?

    1. Re:Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, it's a tech area... so it kind of fits.

    2. Re: Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story says its directly related to the tech boom in Seattle and the article is from geekwire.

    3. Re:Too much eggnog? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      There seem to be a number of companies right now which are trying to get established via press release. We've seen a number of "Flurry" submissions on Slashdot of late... I expect we'll probably start seeing "Redfin" stuff in the Firehose, going forward.

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    4. Re:Too much eggnog? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I mean, it's a tech area... so it kind of fits.

      So whatever happens in this areas fits?

    5. Re:Too much eggnog? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      This is the requisite "gentrification is evil" story we see on /. every day.

    6. Re:Too much eggnog? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Why is this on /. ? Too much eggnog by msmash ?

      Because Seattle is one of the major concentrations of skilled computer labor? Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon, etc. are all here and hiring which is why the housing market is booming as all their employees with nice salaries are wanting to buy houses.

    7. Re: Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet they have some of the shittiest internet in America.

      Welcome to Seattle. Home of tech companies and crappy dialup and ISDN lines.

    8. Re: Too much eggnog? by lgw · · Score: 2

      Yet they have some of the shittiest internet in America.

      Welcome to Seattle. Home of tech companies and crappy dialup and ISDN lines.

      Why live in the internet ghetto? I have perfectly good broadband - still cable, not fiber, but there's fiber not that for from me. Pick a place to live based on what's important to you.

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    9. Re: Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a shit comment. I live in seattle and have gigabit internet.

    10. Re:Too much eggnog? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Amazon is growing so fast right now that they'll basically need to keep building one skyscraper a year just to keep up. That seems to be their plan, too: #2 looks ready to open, and construction is underway on #3, with land for several more.

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    11. Re:Too much eggnog? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Are these folks using Linux? So why is the parent post existing? So what.

    12. Re:Too much eggnog? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Yep. I think there is plans for a building even taller than the Columbia Tower. Not sure if it is Amazon's or not. Sort of relates to my time spent back in Trumpland for the holidays. It's hard to see their point of view when it seems the blue "left coast" states are booming economically. Of course, combine that with that many, if not most, of the people in Seattle are from all those states because we saw the writing on the wall growing up, got an education, and moved away from such economically and culturally depressed states. Hard to go into that with friends of the family as they tell you how their kids all dropped out of college because "it just wasn't something for them". The new industry seems to be high value manufacturing which works well with skilled workers with degrees (or at least relevant trained skills), preferably concentrated in a large job market pool.

    13. Re:Too much eggnog? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Heh, I too dropped out of college because "it just wasn't something for me". Fortunately, that wasn't a barrier to a dev job back in the day. I think the same may be true for skilled manufacturing today, as they're really getting desperate (more than a million jobs unfilled in the US), but of course you still have to go where the jobs are.

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    14. Re: Too much eggnog? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      You are retarded.

      The internet has spoken.

    15. Re:Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #2 looks ready to open

      #2 is open.

    16. Re:Too much eggnog? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      There seem to be a number of companies right now which are trying to get established via press release.

      That's because journalism has been on a downhill slide since the dawn of web browsing. Journalists prefer to copy and paste the PR announcements as actual news instead of doing the actual work legwork of fact checking.

    17. Re:Too much eggnog? by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Today I had to head from a bit north of Everett to the top of Snoqualmie Pass to meet family to exchange gifts. Instead of going through Seattle or Bellevue to 90 I headed to Monroe to SR203 and south to where 18 meets 90. In the last three years the only reason I've been through Seattle was to get to SeaTac. I can't handle that city anymore and I'm an old hippie that spent years in Fremont/Wallingford, I use to worked in the Westin Building for a decade. Nope, can't handle it anymore. Now I just 'commute' from Tulalip to downtown Everett for my tech job. I get paid a bit less but the extra 2 hours a day is worth it.

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    18. Re:Too much eggnog? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that seems to be a big problem with the people in "Trumpland". They don't want to move to Michigan or wherever, where jobs are. They want the jobs to come to them in Podunk, Alabama, hours away from the nearest city. It doesn't work like that. Suggest it to them and they whine about "my family is here!" or "the cost of living is too high there!"

    19. Re:Too much eggnog? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      We've seen a number of "Flurry" submissions on Slashdot of late...

      Flurry is a mobile analytics company. They're well established - they've been around at least as long as the Apple App Store and many apps use them for app analytics (usage, crash logging, etc).

      They're embedded in a ton of popular apps which is why they're able to get you information like phone activation data.

      Any simple firewall for any phone would tell you all the apps that report to flurry. Android requires root, iOS requires jailbreaking.

    20. Re:Too much eggnog? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Funny that - /. posters whine exactly the same way about not wanting to move to the tech hotspots where the jobs are.

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    21. Re:Too much eggnog? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, there's a bunch of curmudgeonly /. posters out there like that. I'll bet a lot of them are Trump supporters too. Make no mistake, there's a ton of people here on Slashdot who are right-wing extremists.

    22. Re: Too much eggnog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guaranteed not to be as bad as Internet service in Silicon Valley. Wasn't until the late 2000's that anything more than 6Mbps DSL was available in much of San Jose. Comcast kept dragging their feet, refusing to invest in upgrading the infrastructure. AT&T took forever to run fiber to their corner boxes to improve DSL coverage. Still can't get fiber to the home in 99% of Silicon Valley.

  3. Some people will never learn by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    The mythology of making money from your own house is only that - mythology. We still have untold thousands (at least) of people who watch too much H&G TV and other cable programs that exist to bring customers to realtors, without concern for the fact that it is a pyramid scheme they (consumers) can never profit from.

    If you want to buy a house for your own sake because you want to own a house for some reason, great. If you want to make improvements to said house for your own sake, great. But it is time to give up on the notion of "investing" in your house; you won't get the money back when you're old enough to stop working. You're just as well off putting the same money in a checking account (as savings accounts don't pay interest in this country any ways) and letting it sit there.

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    1. Re:Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying a house is a good financial move under the right set of circumstances. However, you are absolutely right that this set of circumstances is not "in order to renovate and flip for yuge profits". If that's your retirement plan, consider instead just dying early.

    2. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah and where do you live in the meantime? A box? The point of a house being an investment is that instead of paying rent you are building equity. If person A pays 2000 monthly in rent and person B pays it towards a mortgage then in 15 years person A gets no return but person B can sell the house for 300000 plus. Sure there is upkeep expenses but they rarely exceed equity.

    3. Re: Some people will never learn by phobos512 · · Score: 1

      Which all works great until the reckless investor speculation crashes the housing market and your equity disappears in a flash. Because that totally couldn't happen ever. Or ever again.

    4. Re: Some people will never learn by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      You're both right. In a lot of cases it makes financial sense to buy a house rather than rent one, and ownership gives you greater freedom to improve your home as well. I had the chance to buy my first rental apartment, and the interest + repayments were slightly less than my monthy rent thanks to a tax deduction, which made the decision rather easy. But before 2008 (and these days as well) people were urged to buy a home because "prices are only going up". That's what GP is on about: buy a home to live in if it makes sense, but don't buy only because people tell you it's going to go up in value.

      Plan your purchase under the assumption that your home will have 70% of its value when you sell, and you shouldn't have any disastrous surprises.

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    5. Re:Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think most of this is because people are trying to make money from buying a house? HAHAHA

      It's the Asian influence. Most of those cash buyers in the Seattle area are from 2 locations. Asia and California. They are buying houses to either move to or have their children live in while they attend college.

      I live in the area and see it on a daily basis.

      Also, if you don't think that real estate is a good and smart investment, well you don't really know what you're talking about.

      you won't get the money back when you're old enough to stop working.

      Yep, proof right there, you don't know what you're talking about.

    6. Re: Some people will never learn by nevermindme · · Score: 2

      Ignoring the potential for insane violent property tax hikes that lower the value at the same time owners have to pay obstinate tax rates on inflated property values.. I know several people with yearly property tax bills larger than their yearly principal payments. I am quite lucky to live in a state with a constitutional cap on property taxes.

    7. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A house isn't an investment unless you're either flipping it or renting it. If you're living in it, then it's not an asset, it's a liability.

      Also, why is this on /.? I happen to live in Seattle, but even I wouldn't consider this appropriate to the site.

    8. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me a 100% no risk guaranteed investment with a reasonable return (several percent greater than inflation) and I'll buy. The point of an investment is taking risk to make a return. Housing is on the lower end of that risk factor especially if you live in the house.

    9. Re:Some people will never learn by painandgreed · · Score: 3, Informative

      You think most of this is because people are trying to make money from buying a house?

      In Seattle, a lot of it is. There is certainly a demand for new houses from investors and from people moving to the area. But the housing market is booming and people certainly are buying houses to remodel and flip on the market. I was just in the house buying market and there are just about no fixer-uppers left in the city, and even those sales are being determined by insane bidding wars between the buyers, and will most likely be back on the market the next year. Drive through some of the older neighborhoods with 50+ year old houses and you can tell that about half have been remodeled and repainted in the last few years. I'm not saying those house flippers are going to come out ahead in the long run, but it is certainly happening and driving the market that much more.

    10. Re:Some people will never learn by lgw · · Score: 1

      If you want to buy a house for your own sake because you want to own a house for some reason, great. If you want to make improvements to said house for your own sake, great. But it is time to give up on the notion of "investing" in your house; you won't get the money back when you're old enough to stop working.

      House prices in the US, on average, keep up with inflation (long term - watch out for bubbles). That's been true for 100 years, and isn't likely to change. That makes a house a better "investment" than a savings account, but that's not saying much. It can work out pretty well, though, if you get a mortgage when interest rates are low, then go through a period of high inflation - then returns are quite nice.

      The thing is, most people are incapable of thrift, and have no clue how to invest safely, so a house really is their best investment: it forces you to save, it obvious you need to insure it, and so on. Even though it nets out cheaper to rent in a lot of places, a house can still be a better choice for many.

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    11. Re:Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying a house is a good financial move under the right set of circumstances. However, you are absolutely right that this set of circumstances is not "in order to renovate and flip for yuge profits". If that's your retirement plan, consider instead just dying early.

      I got tired of those types of TV shows years back. My mother and I were talking about one recently and we were discussing how they not only make it look so "easy" to renovate but also when they throw out how much the spent and their profit I had to balk at it as having done many of those same types of renovations myself I knew that it tends to costs considerably more than the BS numbers that they were putting up on the screen.

      Plus hardly anything goes wrong on those shows: contractors always show up on time, materials never get delayed or the wrong materials get delivered, rarely do they open a wall or ceiling and discover a problem that needs fixing first or completely scuttles their plans, and one on show the designer is getting told once-an-episode how her designs will compromise the integrity of the house but she never learns and keeps trying to bully the tradesmen anyway.

    12. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever wanted to know why you don't see $500,000+ homes in Texas, this is why.

      While we don't have a State Tax, property taxes are uncapped and can increase by 10% every year.

      By the time you've paid off the house, your monthly taxes are higher than what your principal payments ever were.

    13. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read up on the income and property tax in the state of Washington before you commented?

    14. Re:Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also much cheaper to own than rent in Seattle. I own a 1948 house in a cheap neighborhood where you can still buy one under $300K and end up with a mortgage in the $1500 range. If you're renting, that might barely get you a two-bedroom apartment in the same area (or a studio in Seattle proper). I pay $1100/mo for four bedrooms because I bought in 2012 and fixed up the place...

    15. Re: Some people will never learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd probably enjoy the UK's Grand Designs, which mostky comprises people with unrealistic ideas spending at least twice their budget to create irregular octagonal houses made of Swedish birch and compressed yogurt.

  4. Another reason to avoid Seattle! by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    I'm all for the idea of relocating to get a better job. (I think that's increasingly necessary just to reward states with a pro-business/commerce mindset and punish the ones without it.)

    But markets where real-estate gets so "hot", you can't ever imagine owning your own home without becoming a millionaire first? That's a huge negative, in my opinion. The "American dream" is all about home ownership and a good paying career type job should be one that makes that dream possible for you (even if you're still in a situation where you only want to rent, at the moment).

    I moved to the DC area for a new job myself, and it has this same problem. So I compromised by moving to a small, more rural community in Western Maryland. Now I have a 50+ mile commute each direction for work, BUT we have a commuter rail system I can make use of, AND I have the option to work from home several days a week. So it's completely doable, and I get the benefit of enjoying peaceful, quiet rural living AND a regular does of the "big city" at the same time. Results may vary for others who opt to come here for a job ... but it's all stuff to consider.

  5. Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by ranton · · Score: 2

    All these hot housing markets just show where there should be more development in new housing, especially more compact housing. Put some high rises in and around those neighborhoods along with more public transit and problem solved.

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    1. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Put some high rises in and around those neighborhoods along with more public transit and problem solved.

      NIMBY.

    2. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a solved problem if people don't want to live in a high-rise. I want a yard, on land that I own.

    3. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that takes decades to do. Thanks to most of the rest of the country's incompetent management of their local economy, we tend to grow whether the economy is good or bad.

      Also, you're assuming that we have mass transit. We do in the most technical sense possible. Expect to add at least an extra hour to each bus trip you take as the buses are usually late and just about anywhere requires a transfer or long walk

    4. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      No, they will just put up luxury highrises. Why build $300k houses when you can build $300k houses and sell them for $1 million?

    5. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by dangle · · Score: 1

      I don't see how the situation will improve without more compact, denser housing either. Here in Portland, our formerly middle class neighborhood is being infilled with large, circa $1M homes, which are typically occupied by an average of 2.x people. We specifically bought our 1200 ft^2 home because we didn't want to have to take care of a big place full of stuff. I get concerned about the related social housing trends, too. For example, I bought our house in '11 from a retired firefighter's widow, whose (employed) son had kept the place buffed, but couldn't afford to take on the mortgage. So the social rarification process started with me 'swooping' in to buy the place when they had to put it on the market. And now the nice house across the street (next to the house where our neighborhood trash/recycling guy lives) has become a teardown to be replaced by a home that most people on our block couldn't afford.

    6. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      All these hot housing markets just show where there should be more development in new housing, especially more compact housing. Put some high rises in and around those neighborhoods along with more public transit and problem solved.

      There is, at least in Seattle. A couple of new skyscrapers go up every year. Blocks are being turned into large mixed use condos and apartments in all the neighborhoods all over the city. There are reports that show that this is the only thing keeping Seattle's prices from really being insane. So far, this seems to be because once the home loan industry went bust, much of all that money that was in it that was managed to get pulled out, needed a new place to be invested. Now, instead of investing in home loans, they are actually investing in real estate. This drives the real estate market. Hot areas get invested in more, thus driving those markets even more. Makes it hard for people like me who just want to buy a house to live in as people are constantly buying them and flipping them to make for better investments who will buy them and then rent through some agency. So, even the old "bad" neighborhoods are all being remodeled and sold for lots of money.

    7. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by james_pb · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what Seattle is doing. http://www.seattle.gov/hala

    8. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by ranton · · Score: 1

      It's not a solved problem if people don't want to live in a high-rise. I want a yard, on land that I own.

      High prices is a solved problem. Everyone always getting everything they want is not a realistic goal.

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    9. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Solandri · · Score: 1

      There isn't infinite demand for $1 million housing. If you put up a luxury highrise with units priced at $1 million, and 50 tenants move in, that's 50 fewer people looking to spend $1 million on a house. That decreased demand will lower house prices slightly in the rest of the city. In fact, to decrease housing cost the most, you want to get the rich people off the market first. There are a lot fewer rich people looking to buy a home than middle- or low-income people, so you're operating on a steeper portion of the price/persons curve (basically a bar graph of every person sorted by how much home they can afford). So a single luxury highrise will have a greater impact on lowering the median home cost outside of that highrise, than a highrise with $300k housing.

    10. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a small farm, five minute bike ride and ferry (public transit; like a train, but wider and sits on water with very scenic views) trip to downtown Seattle for under 200k a couple years ago. I can see the space needle when I walk to the break in the trees at the end of the street.

    11. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by PPH · · Score: 1

      I want a yard, on land that I own.

      No, you don't. According to Seattle politicians, that is.

      You want an 800 s.f. apartment/condo for $2000/month. With no view, in a shit neighborhood with hobos living in the empty lot next door. Did you actually want to park a car someplace? Fuhgeddaboudit. No cars for you. Get a bicycle instead and leave it outside where the hobos can strip it. And if you even think about moving out into the suburbs, Seattle runs the planning process for the entire county. So you can look at all that empty land. Just don't think about building on it.

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    12. Re:Hot Housing Markets a Sign of Too Few Houses by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      The entire world is buying in these cities.

  6. Another crap submission by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Not tech, not news, not interesting, not surprising, not important.

    1. Re:Another crap submission by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Absolutely! Pick any commodity. Some region is going to be paying the most and called the most competitive for it. That may be local news but it certainly isn't national or world news. It isn't technical news either on anything but a local scale, and even then only if it involves a technical commodity. If only Slashdot had editors who understood their job maybe this could have been avoided.

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    2. Re:Another crap submission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The increased demand in Seattle housing is directly related to the massive growth of tech firms such as Amazon rapidly ramping up staffing in those areas. It's very much relevant, since those of us who don't live in our parents' basements need a place to live and might be considering working for Amazon or Microsoft - two of the biggest employers in the industry.

    3. Re:Another crap submission by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot's Seattle bureau would respond to these baseless and cowardly accusations, but they've been stuck in traffic for the past 67 hours.

    4. Re:Another crap submission by Nethead · · Score: 1

      It would have been news for me in a narrow way back about 10 years ago when I was working IT for Windermere (big Seattle Realtor.) Otherwise, yeah, not really tech news except OMG Seattle!

      Anyway, the big tech company in these parts is still Boeing.

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    5. Re:Another crap submission by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone want to work for Amazon? I've literally never heard anything good about that place as an employer, only horror stories about employees crying at their desks (not to mention how awful the working conditions are for their warehouse workers).

  7. UpUPandAWAY by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    I live 30 miles North of Seattle. Housing prices are doing the same thing here. People are paying $400K for run down shacks. Tiny 2 bedroom apartments have gone from $800 - $1600/mo in 3 years. 2000sqft new construction in Edmonds are going for $1.4M. The biggest problem is infrastructure. The commute 30 miles to Seattle has gone from 40 minutes per way 3 years ago to 1-2 hours per way today - and getting worse by the month. Seattle has punted on public transportation so long they had to shove $54B transportation spending bill down land owners throats that will take 25 years to build and won't fix the problems now or in 3-5 years. The streets are undriveable. Homeless are everywhere and growing. Crime is on the rise. If you're not pulling in $100K+, you can't afford to live in Seattle. .
    Flippers are everywhere. But I don't see all the negatives turning the trend.
    If you look at California, housing prices are still insane and higher than they are in Seattle. By CA comparison, there's a long way to go - on the up side - for pricing.

    1. Re:UpUPandAWAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All reasons why I'm glad I moved even further South of Seattle (I was already 30 minutes South of that mess). Still in the "metro" area, but I'm in what Seattleites would consider the "country". I still have neighbors I could throw a baseball at and maybe hit their house so I don't consider myself in the "country" since I grew up in a place where you couldn't hit your neighbor's house with anything less than a high powered rifle, if you could see them.

    2. Re:UpUPandAWAY by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      We still have a couple of hundred acres back in the midwest that's cash leased - so I hear ya. From what I understand, crime gets worse the farther South of Seattle you go. My daughter lives down in Auburn, she calls Tacoma "Tacompton". Tacoma was rated the highest crime rate in Washington State this past week. JBLM doesn't help.

    3. Re: UpUPandAWAY by undefinedreference · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's realistic in most of the metro until you're pulling in at least 200k these days. Median houses in King County are ~625k now. Anywhere that isn't pretty rough or an unconscionable commute from somewhere two working adults can make that much will start in the 750-800k range. The only marginally affordable houses are in the ghetto of South Seattle where a post-war shack with 1 bathroom and 2-3 bedrooms are being remodeled and snatched up at 400-500k these days. It's mind boggling.

      I live somewhere an almost unconscionable commute east of downtown (11 miles; people claim it's not even that bad) and basic houses in my neighborhood are approaching 1M. We couldn't afford to live here if it wasn't for our below-market rent. We want to buy, but with her only pulling in ~50k, our combined incomes are insufficient to buy anything livable that isn't at least another 5-10 traffic-filled miles further from work.

    4. Re:UpUPandAWAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post seals it. This isn't due to some boom. This is the Chinese expanding from Vancouver. A simple boom can't explain the prices and homelessness you describe. 1.4 million for common houses is impossible from a simple boom. There simply isn't enough economic activity outside of the housing market to account for such prices. Chinese money does explain this perfectly. The exact same stories came out of Vancouver recently and that is acknowledged to be Chinese investment. I wondered when the proximity to Vancouver would result in these stories coming from Seattle.

  8. another sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "American dream" is all about home ownership

    it has this same problem.

    good grief, Bush's "ownership society" bullshit speech is still echoing in your brain,

    Of all the property assets on the planet, the one worth your investment just coincidentally happens to be the one you are living in?

    wake up fool

    1. Re:another sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "American dream" is all about home ownership

      it has this same problem.

      good grief, Bush's "ownership society" bullshit speech is still echoing in your brain,

      My you have a short memory, the "American Dream" that you're deriding goes back to the 1950's.

    2. Re:another sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My you have a short memory, the "American Dream" that you're deriding goes back to the 1950's.

      Really? Can you name another real-estate advertisement that's disguised as a major presidential policy speech?

    3. Re:another sucker by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Yes.... many reasons why home ownership makes good sense in the long run.
      Maybe you're still too young to get it though?

      Look ... it's not about playing some kind of investment game with the home you live in, expecting you can flip it for a big profit (which mysteriously, you believe will only increase based on how much you spend upgrading everything in the house).

      It's about the fact that with your home comes a chunk of land that it sits on, for starters. This means you have your own little square of space on this planet you have control over. If you decide you'd like to start growing some of your own food, you can just go out in your back yard and do it. If you want to buy a big dog, you can do it without worrying about getting your landlord's permission first, AND you can let him poop outside all you want, and clean it up again on your own time. You're not stuck running around with a bag and pooper scooper, right behind your dog, to appease the other people who live in your apartment unit. Heck, maybe you decide you'd like to build yourself a workshop or a shed to store some things in? It's your yard, so you can do it!

      It's also about having control over your house itself. If you discover you'd like things much better with a wall removed between your kitchen and your living room? You can undertake that project. You don't have to worry about somebody you're renting from telling you no. You can repaint any time you like. You can redo anything you want in your kitchen or your bathroom to suit you. And if you spend the money doing it, at least you don't get stuck giving all of it away to somebody else at no charge, for them to get some of the benefit from it, when it turns out your rent has gone up and you need to find a different place to stay.

      Obviously, you get the tax advantages too, such as tax credits on the mortgage interest you pay.

      I don't know why you're trying to paint home ownership as some kind of political scheme? As someone else posted, it's been a popular theme for over 60 years in America. The only problems we had were when presidents decided to sell it as something EVERYONE should do, no matter their financial situation. Again, you need to have a solid, steady job that makes it viable FIRST.

    4. Re:another sucker by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You don't get tax credits on mortgage interest. You get a tax *deduction*. And it's not that great, because you still get the "standard deduction" as a renter; if you're not paying much in mortgage interest, you might not be able to deduct that much more than the standard deduction. (If you don't know the difference between a credit and a deduction, you need to educate yourself fast if you're a taxpayer.)

      Your points about benefits of home ownership are suspect in modern society. If you live out in the sticks, sure, you can do whatever the hell you want mostly. (But there's no jobs in the sticks, esp. not tech jobs.) If you live in a subdivision, no. Buying a big dog can get the police called on you because you leave it outside to bark its head off all day long, disturbing the neighbors. Having a shed or workshop might not be approved by your HOA. Same with having a garden. There's all kinds of limitations on what you can do on your own property in municipalities these days.

      The giant downside of owning a house is being tied to it: if you get laid off from your job and need to move to another city for a new job, owning a house makes that far more difficult and expensive. Even changing jobs within the same metro area is complicated by it, because it could mean going from a short commute to a brutal one. Renters have an easier time packing up and moving when things become too inconvenient. The other big problem is property taxes: in some states (NJ and TX come to mind), property taxes are insanely high and keep going up far beyond inflation. Apparently those police departments want cushier retirement packages for their members.

  9. do you enjoy running water and electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put some high rises in and around those neighborhoods along with more public transit and problem solved.

    NIMBY.

    so you want to live in an economic ghetto? good for you

  10. Wow by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    ..and people still move there? Nothing like moving for a hot salary and then having it killed by a house.

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    1. Re:Wow by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      Seattle has been in the top 5 relocation destinations for almost a decade. On the positive side - there are lots of jobs, the social scene has anything anyone wants. I live a couple of blocks from the Puget Sound (fishing, crabbing, whale watching), I'm a hour from the mountains. You can't beat the hiking, camping and outdoor activities. The culture is very pro work/life values. AND - DONT FORGET THE HAWKS! (if you're into sports, it's like a religion out here) - I moved here from the midwest 4 years ago (Yes, I have a tech management gig). The liberalism takes a bit to get used to, but I doubled my salary and don't have the 70 hours per week Midwestern slave mentality over my head. All in all, I would move again in a second.

    2. Re: Wow by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Still, if you have to spend most of your money on a house it's not worth it. Long hours, two working parents, kind of makes for a sucky life.

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    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, what do you buy with a hot salary? I had a hot salary, but after 5 years I ran out of crap to buy. I literally owned one of everything that REI sold - really only maybe $5k to do that. I had their top end backpack, sleeping bag, tent, camp stoves, water maker, boots. At least one of every item. I have a fully stacked kitchen (same thing, top of the line every kitchen gadget, another 5k). If you're not in debt, you literally run out of consumer garbage like this to buy in a couple of years, then the only thing left is real estate. And that's including the yearly vacation to the Caribbean or England.

  11. nah, can't happen, don't see it on HGTV by swschrad · · Score: 2

    begone, fake news

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  12. Easy explanation: HAM by citylivin · · Score: 2

    Because of the 15% foreign buyers tax that vancouver instituted in sept, our HAM (hot asian money) has moved slightly south. I thought this was a well known fact so its a shame the article seems to have another hypothesis that is much less likely. Seeing as the spike almost exactly corresponds with the tax and not any massive hiring in the last 6 months.

    Welcome to unaffordability seattle! probably a good time to buy property, hold it for a few months and flip, if the lower mainland BC is any indication of whats in store for you guys.

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    1. Re:Easy explanation: HAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Hopefully there's some way for Seattle to do the same, but I don't know if there's any political will for it.

    2. Re:Easy explanation: HAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your information is wrong, Seattle area has had insane housing prices for years now.

    3. Re:Easy explanation: HAM by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Nope! AC, you're wrong, and citylivin is 100% correct. It's hot Chinese money looking to leverage wealth outside of China. This is what happens when globalism rewards those in nations with institutionalized corruption; the money will flea to saver havens. This is why the housing market is HOT in Australia, Canada, and US coastal cities. In effect, the cheap goods and services you're paying for is in fact landing in the hands of those that will ratchet up affordable housing in YOUR area, this pricing you out of the market and as a perpetual renter. Yeah, not so much of a good deal now was it?! Oh, and now you're double-fucked with the student loan debt!!!

      Chinese Driven Vancouver Housing Bubble Moves To Seattle - "This Is Vancouver 2.0"

      Already home sales for first time buyers screeched to a halt once the interest rates rose post-election. Interest rates will have zero impact on the cash buying market (HAM). It will however drive the prices of homes down in areas where the HAM market isn't as strong though; to offset the increased interest rates of course. You see, with so much personal debt, what matters this generation is how much you can afford to pay the mortgage a month. So the whole picture has to be taken into account via sliding scale of home prices in relation to interest rates.

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    4. Re:Easy explanation: HAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Nope! AC, you're wrong, and citylivin is 100% correct. It's hot Chinese money looking to leverage wealth outside of China. This is what happens when globalism rewards those in nations with institutionalized corruption; the money will flea to saver havens. This is why the housing market is HOT in Australia, Canada, and US coastal cities.

      He's incorrect. He asserted that Seattle became expensive BECAUSE Vancouver became unattractive to such buyers. I corrected him and pointed out that Seattle was expensive years before the Vancouver empty 2nd house law came around. You even suggest the same. "housing market is HOT in Australia, Canada, and US coastal cities".

      But sure try to twist that to whatever agenda you're peddling, I don't really care.

  13. Seattle is okay by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Seattle is all in all a decent place to live. It also leads the nation in having the highest rate of car theft, lol, but that's what garages are for.

    As for real estate, yes, the market is on fire here. If your asking price is even remotely close to reality you can sell it in no time. A $200K house priced at $230K will sell, no problem, and after the bidding wars you may get $250K or more.

    For example, I could *easily* sell my home for triple it's original price and it wouldn't take more than a day or so. Given a 30-day window for competitive bids it would be considerably more than that. I get flyers from real estate agents all the time begging me to sell, and it's tempting, very tempting. But then I'd either have to move a fair distance away or hunt for another home in the same super competitive market, neither of which appeal to me at this time.

    Frankly, I expect another housing market crash within the next few years, so if I was smart I'd sell now. But my house payment is super low and I don't want to move, so I'm staying put. Hell, my house payment is less (a lot less) than what most people pay for rent around here.

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  14. Why I left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one reason I moved away from Seattle a few years back. Living there was getting far too expensive. And the traffic keeps getting worse and worse. Seattle now has the second worst even rush-hour in the country. Why? There's a growing population, but there are fewer N-S arterial lanes than in the late 1960s. And thanks to Puget Sound and Lake Washington, most Seattle commuting in north-south.

    Why Amazon wants to cram most of its white-collar workers into a few skyscrapers in South Lake Union is beyond stupid. More and more, I'm wondering if Jeff Bezos is plain weird.