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CIA Releases 13M Pages of Declassified Documents Online (bbc.com)
About 13 million pages of declassified documents from the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have been released online. The records include UFO sightings and psychic experiments from the Stargate programme, which has long been of interest to conspiracy theorists. From a report on BBC: The move came after lengthy efforts from freedom of information advocates and a lawsuit against the CIA. The full archive is made up of almost 800,000 files. They had previously only been accessible at the National Archives in Maryland. The trove includes the papers of Henry Kissinger, who served as secretary of state under presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, as well as several hundred thousand pages of intelligence analysis and science research and development.
That's a lot of scanning of documents.
...Your Tax Dollars At Work!
This oughta be FUN!!!
I knew it!
That's what this is. $58 billion a year we spend on intelligence. The vast majority of it a complete and total waste of money.
“Programme” is UK English. It is used for every meaning of the word, both as a noun and a verb, EXCEPT in relation to computer programs, where the American spelling is used for both the noun and verb. So even in the UK we “program” computers and write “computer programs”.
Sauce
These released documents were indeed wasted time and money... which is obviously why they were releasable in the first place. We can only speculate on the value of documents which are still deemed to be classified.
'Programme' is not the correct spelling of the word. Learn to write.
It is in every English speaking country except America and Canada.
http://grammarist.com/spelling/program-programme/
No MKULTRA?
The UNABOMBER must be disappointed...
That's where everybody else releases classified US docs, isn't it?
That's what this is. $58 billion a year we spend on intelligence. The vast majority of it a complete and total waste of money.
These released documents were indeed wasted time and money... which is obviously why they were releasable in the first place. We can only speculate on the value of documents which are still deemed to be classified.
An addendum: What might be more maddening to the conspiracy theorists, though, is that there are really no guarantees that the released documents are in full agreement with all of those classified and still unreleased intelligence documents... (evil grin)
The truth is out there...
Just a quick browse of the CREST archive shows a number of items that are historically intriguing, be it the Berlin tunnel, formulae for invisible ink, OPSEC tutorials for the old OSS, and other items.
The documentation about GITMO is also worth a look-see.
Definitely stuff worth looking at, and some of it might be something worth having in an American History class.
What is the Canadian spelling, then? I thought that Canada is just Britain in North America, except that their currency is a Canadian dollar rather than a Canadian pound
We're not a bunch of pooftahs here. Spell it in correctly or pound salt, my dear lad
That's what this is. $58 billion a year we spend on intelligence. The vast majority of it a complete and total waste of money.
Really? Do you have Top Secret clearance and access to the budgets and did you perform a cost analysis to determine this? I'm assuming the answer is "No", given that the US Intelligence Budget for 2017 is $70.3B, with $53..5 B for civilian agencies and $16.8B for military intelligence.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/intelligence-community/ic-policies-reports/ic-policies-2?highlight=WyJidWRnZXQiXQ==
I'm sure also you think that are satellites which give us an idea of hte progress of North Korea's nuclear program or Iran's nuclear program are wastes of money? Or the intelligence gathered to find ISIS commanders for air strike targets is wasted money? Or the resources used to identify and analyze the capabilities of the Chinese Navy so we can assess how hard they might push into the South China Sea, that's wasted money?
You think this is the "vast majority" of the work they do? Hahaha. They've most likely already generated twice that amount of data this year alone and January isn't even over yet.
The CIA must be one of the most evil organisation you Americans have.
They are the private 'government overthrow agency' of big business.
Watch you back Trump, if you try to dismantle them.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/a...
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Their currency is the maple-shilling, and they are a constitutional moosearchy.
What is the Canadian spelling, then? I thought that Canada is just Britain in North America, except that their currency is a Canadian dollar rather than a Canadian pound
According to a few grammar websites I checked they use "program". I imagine Canada's English is gradually getting modified with American linguistic idiosyncrasies.
However, i just found this on the internet, so it must be true.
And it's fair because it's a BBC article being referenced. If it had been Stargate Program (proper noun), there would actually be some issue with a spelling change.
Canadian pound
I think you mean Canadian Kilogram
This shower of new docs from the CIA is pure gold. A true golden shower of docs from the intelligence community, one might say. ;-)
I wonder if we'll find any docs as good as the ones that have shown up in the FBI vault recently?
TLDR
A lot of companies have a couple people that do something of value, and 1000 boondoggle projects and worthless executives to go with them.
They, at least, sometimes go out of business, and have therefore some incentive to improve toward marginal efficiency and rational resource allocation.
"Intelligence agencies" have neither. And the results of this are becoming manifestly obvious. Not sure what your point is, but let's draw a real-world example. For the cost of the Iraq war, we could have provided every man, worman, and child in that country with a college education, labeled "goodwill of the United States". Which choice of financial expenditure do you think would have left us with better relations with the Islamic world? And the fact we didn't make that choice, lies squarely with the "OMGWMD" agencies. There were no enhanced salaries and ever-growing bureaucracies on offer for Option #1, so, of course, that didn't happen.
If you think there aren't better, vastly more straightforward ways to influence countries and work toward peace with 70 billion dollars that don't involve massive payoffs to the military-industrial complex and killing people nearly at random, you seem just about unimaginative enough to apply to a three-letter-agency yourself.
fuck off you limey twat.
It's always like that: '13 million pages released' . To place this in context you need some percentages, numbers to compare with, statistics. What's the yearly release rate, what's the yearly classifying rate. And with respects to levels of secrecy, because if it's always low level secrecy that's being released then you're not doing much either.
"Programme" is the old English spelling, while "Program" is the modern English spelling. This proves that the CIA has been experimenting with time travel and space travel at Area Bacardi 151, and employs agents from Old England. The space travel gadget is so powerful that the Old English CIA agents recently voted and were able to move the entire island of England out of Europe! Rumors have it, that in two years time, the technology (unencumbered by those meddling Boys in Brussels) will be so advanced that they will vote to leave the planet Earth entirely!
This was recently announced by Old England's Prime Minister May (who nobody voted for an was selected by Russian Hackers), who said that Old England was going to "go away globally." This announcement caused some consternation in Indian workers, who when they misheard, "Old England has long global traditions", to mean that Old England was going to conquer third world countries and turn them into colonies to rebuild the Empire . . .
. . . and Strike Back!
Americans need not be worried, however. Old England policemen, called "Bobbies", although very few of them are actually named Bob, don't carry weapons. And neither do their soldiers. Except the SAS men, whole ALWAYS carry their knives with them, all the time. When they shower, they hold it between their butt-cheeks. Americans are armed to their teeth, and their major pastime is shooting holes in each other.
On the other hand, if you ask a Bobby for directions, he or she will smile and point you in the right direction. American police folks will cut you to pieces with a fully automatic Heckler & Koch MP5, and then run you over with a BearCat.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
The proper Canadian spelling is "Program-ay".
/ducks
"I'm sure also you think that are satellites which give us an idea of hte progress of North Korea's nuclear program or Iran's nuclear program are wastes of money?"
Yes they are. Why not open relations with North Korea, talk to them, get them into the UN, drop the trade embargo, foster mutual understanding and respect, and offer incentives to not militarize their nuclear program?
"Or the intelligence gathered to find ISIS commanders for air strike targets is wasted money?"
Yes, because a lot of those strikes were wrong and killed a lot of collateral victims without due cause. Instead, the US should have never invaded Iraq, which lead directly to the creation of ISIS.
"Or the resources used to identify and analyze the capabilities of the Chinese Navy so we can assess how hard they might push into the South China Sea,"
Yes, we know that China will push the South China Sea as hard as they like. They want it, and the resources there, and they will push and keep pushing as much as they wish. What I think you meant to ask was: "so we can assess whether we'd win a full-blown naval battle in the South China Sea against China." My comment here is that even if "we" won that war we would all lose in a myriad of ways. So it's the wrong question to ask.
"that's wasted money?"
Yes, your international militaristic imperialism is not wanted *anywhere* on this planet. Stay at home, make love, drink beer, and enjoy yourselves. Just leave the rest of us the *fuck* alone.
CIAs job involves more than what is portrayed in spy movies. The problem is that the politicians can't timely read all of the reports, which leads to the necessity of AI in government.
Color/colour and similar words can be spelled either way in Canada. Same for labeled/labelled and suchlike. Railway is much more common than railroad. However, Canadians use hood and trunk instead of bonnet and boot, and may refer to other car parts (in common use) the US way.
The time and money wasted preparing all of this and putting it out on the web is still less than the time and money wasted responding to thousands of FOIA requests and lawsuits from those same conspiracy theorists.
In the end, they probably save a lot of money doing this just to get rid of the FIOA hassle.
and offer incentives to not militarize their nuclear program?
And how do you know they're not just taking the money and weaponizing the tech behind your back?
Well, you'd probably verify it in a way that they can't obstruct or hide from. Which means spending money on spy tech or espionage.
Yes, because a lot of those strikes were wrong and killed a lot of collateral victims without due cause.
The accuracy and collateral damage are way better than traditional air strikes.
Should we be flying B-52 bombers and leveling half the city? Send in entire armored divisions? Let Daesh seize more land and people?
You complain about the action without offering a better solution. Your opinion, as such, is worthless.
Yes, we know that China will push the South China Sea as hard as they like. They want it, and the resources there, and they will push and keep pushing as much as they wish.
You make obvious statements and follow them up with nonsense.
We don't need to win a battle to stop China from doing it. We just need to show enough force that the endeavor is no longer economically appealing.
Please provide us the flawless advance list of project successes so we can defund the rest.
I assume you keep it with the list of unanticipated natural disasters, meteors and sudden tire blowouts, so check there first. You can hold your breath while you get it ready
who stare at goats
We don't need to win a naval battle. It doesn't matter. They could fire surface to sea ground based weapons.
The question is, can we make their attempt to seize new territory more expensive than it is valuable. The power to destroy a thing is the power to control it, as FH wrote. My guess is, yes we can.
The military folks will confirm that or not.
So the question is. If we can, should we? Because in the end if we don't, then Korea, Japan and the other regional nations will have to. So we need to factor in how much that less of instability will costs us and subtract it from the go it alone price.
If we give up here, where do we stop giving up and can we still win at that point...
Re "We can only speculate on the value of documents which are still deemed to be classified."
The deep thinking around the Bay of Pigs?
The full extent of Operation Paperclip? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I'm glad they released all this material, because *this* is chock-full of useful info....
https://www.cia.gov/library/re...
This sig contains repetition and redundancy.
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Funny I'm a Yank and I find the cops to be pleasant. Of course, I don't try and pretend that I'm trying to mow 'em down either.
Oh but it is. In UK English.
And since the poster may be from there it is normal for them. Just as Behaviour, Colour, a car's Tyre, and a suite of Armour.
L 2 travel outside your hometown, and also L 2 accept others, (as long as they're not hurting you).
I read that as 'Canadian Klingon'.
Now wouldn't that be an interesting galaxy!!
So, America and Canada are the only ones that get it right, then.
It's likely the entire StarGate/Remote Viewing program was a cover for NRO real Remote Viewing from space and other projects. Tell them we use ESP instead of solid science, engineering and technology.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
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M is the roman numeral for 1,000, not 1,000,000
In anything to do with this sort of documents or printing, M = 1000
is for CIA to release every document it has that is relevant to the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations. This is, if such documents have not been previously
destroyed decades ago.
That might be more interesting.
I can't remember the title, but a book (and a documentary was made) I discovered at the library about 5 or so years ago had an interesting premise. After Roswell various within military, law enforcement and intelligence agencies small secret groups were formed. Some of these groups staged alien invasion and flying saucer hoaxes for the purpose of getting flying saucer conspiracy theorists, believers, and of course any Communists with connections to flying saucers (this was in the early 1950's) out where they could be spied on.
Since these groups were secret, unaware of the existence other secret groups, they had a lot of success fooling each other. They also contaminated any reporting by anyone. Their fake sighting would make it difficult or impossible for anyone to untangle any reports and figure out what really happened. Even if there were real flying saucers or alien visitations.
(I'm agnostic about the whole thing. If a flying saucer were to land and little green men come out and greet us in a very public way, I'd still be skeptical that Disney was hired to fake it.)
I think you mean: "Program, eh?"
Hoser.
If they find some "peculiar" documents, it proves conspiracies. They don't find, it proves conspiracies.
American police folks will cut you to pieces with a fully automatic Heckler & Koch MP5
A practice referred to as 'heckling'.
The time and money wasted preparing all of this and putting it out on the web is still less than the time and money wasted responding to thousands of FOIA requests and lawsuits from those same conspiracy theorists.
In the end, they probably save a lot of money doing this just to get rid of the FIOA hassle.
That assumes that the conspiracy theorists are actually going to back off. If instead we anticipate that the conspiracy theorists might not be persuaded by this mass document release, and instead they choose to view the entire release as part of the conspiracy, (as I alluded in my addendum) then we should expect the FOIA requests and lawsuits to continue unabated.
In other words... your conclusion relies upon people to actually be reasonable. My (admittedly snarky) conclusion assumes the opposite. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
They would politely conquer you and destroy your worlds all while apologizing profusely?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
suite of Armour.
Is that the suite where you store the suits of armor?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Now you rewrite this and expose the allegory and its underlying real Reality.