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Stock Research Moves Past PDFs as Customers Demand More for Their Money (reuters.com)

With investment firms cutting costs and portfolio managers combating a barrage of information, financial research shops around the globe are looking for new ways to keep their product relevant. From a report: A raft of startups have launched to support that effort, offering tools that can use Google search data to get an edge on retail sales, deploy drones to examine oil supplies or allow investors to rank analysts and bid on their reports, like a Netflix or eBay of research. Whether these innovations will lead to smarter investments, or be used widely enough to prop up research budgets, is yet to be seen. But the startups are forming alliances with banks, brokerages and investors by the dozen. People who use and sell the tools say the trend is changing how research is financed, distributed and consumed for the first time in decades. "We are coming up on a very different age for equity research," said Lex Sokolin, global director of fintech strategy at Autonomous Research. Investors now see research as a product that must stand on its own rather than a freebie offered as part of a broader relationship with an investment bank, Sokolin said. Technology can improve the quality and distribution of research, he said. [...] Perhaps most importantly, investors say they are sick of their inboxes piling up with run-of-the-mill reports each day. At a time when people share snippets of information through WhatsApp and Slack and a tweet can move a stock in seconds, sharing loads of PDF files through email is not only passe, but makes it hard to know what is worth reading, industry sources said.

27 comments

  1. not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im in the industry and before they had drones there were ppl in cheap apartments with views of the oil barges lined up for delivery and crop planes to survey the cushing oil storage; ppl have been paying for these services for years. this is slightly disingenuous possibly promotional for the automated research firm mentioned

  2. The problem appears to be not with PDF's.... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... rather, the problem is with the volume of information that is contained within them. The format of the documents seems to be entirely irrelevant to core of the problem:

    ...investors say they are sick of their inboxes piling up with run-of-the-mill reports each day.

    1. Re:The problem appears to be not with PDF's.... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      No, the grass is greener on the other side. If we could just get this data into XPS format, America would be great again...

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    2. Re:The problem appears to be not with PDF's.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Vanguard does it right with their rather "old-fashioned" website. I look at a list of funds, click one, and it gives me a webpage with important and easy to read info organized by a few tabs.

      My 401K provider though has one of those "slick" sites that takes ages to navigate and in the end when you click on a fund it gives you a huge PDF to read through, most of which is unnecessary when all I wanted to do is see what the expense ratio is.

    3. Re:The problem appears to be not with PDF's.... by knightghost · · Score: 1

      Double thumbs up! I've implemented a half dozen retirement and investment systems and Vanguard is the only one I like. Effective and Efficient - far different than the senseless bling so many other sites have.

    4. Re:The problem appears to be not with PDF's.... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Ever try the new Morningstar portfolio mish-mash. Ugh...the old format was at least informative when you drilled down into a stock. Now it is a pile of meaningless data and graphs and still manages to miss anything directly useful.

  3. The problem with selling stock tips by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Investors now see research as a product that must stand on its own rather than a freebie offered as part of a broader relationship with an investment bank

    If true then that is rather problematic. The problem with information is that it's typically impossible for a vendor to know how much a particular piece of information is worth to their customer. Worse, the customer for the information only knows what it is worth AFTER they have consumed it so they have to trust the information vendor to be likely to provide useful and relevant information reliably before it is worth paying for. Selling information as a standalone product is a very challenging business.

    Let's use newspapers as an example. Newspapers have absolutely no idea which of their stories are going to be interesting and/or relevant to you as a reader. At best they know that certain types of stories in aggregate tend to interest a demographic of readers but they can't be sure for any given customer. So they have to bundle a lot of stories together in the hopes that some of them will be worth enough to keep you as a subscriber. If you hear about the information from another source before they can get it to you then the sales value of that information goes straight to zero since the reader already has it.

    Same is true for stock information. Companies doing stock analysis have no reliable way to know how much you might value a given bit of data. They also have no way to know which bits of data you'll think are worth paying for. So selling information as a business only works if you can provide open access to a wide variety of information that customers can reasonably trust to be reliable. Think Bloomberg or the New York Times. They've built a reputation for being trustworthy places to get information but they don't try to sell you specific stories ala-carte because they can't. There is no way to price the information rationally. That's the problem with selling stock tips. No customer or vendor can tell in advance that a given stock tip is going to be worth the price so there is no reliable market.

    1. Re:The problem with selling stock tips by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      There is no way to price the information rationally.

      But this is the stock market. At the stock market, there can be a price for anything, even if it is impossible to define what the sold service actually is.

      --
      Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    2. Re:The problem with selling stock tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as there is no way of telling how good a particular piece of cornflake is, cornflakes are only sold in packs. Ridiculous!

  4. There's nothing to research... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    We're overdue for a recession. If Trump's first week in office is an example of what to expect for the next two months (as Alec Baldwin predicted on SNL when Pence will become president), the recession will happen sooner than later. While people bid up the stock market to 20K+, I'm putting my money into bonds.

    1. Re:There's nothing to research... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Replacing an aging narcissist who has the attention span of gnat with a Bible thumping anti-science blob of Republican platitudes is not much of step forward.

    2. Re:There's nothing to research... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Replacing an aging narcissist who has the attention span of gnat with a Bible thumping anti-science blob of Republican platitudes is not much of step forward.

      Pence knows how the government works. He's not going to sit around signing symbolic executive orders that have no basis in law. Trump is in for a rude awakening when he finds out that he's not a dictator.

    3. Re:There's nothing to research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interest rates are kept artificially low worldwide and inflation is also overdue, when this corrects itself and interes rates go up, your bonds will lose value. Just don't put everything in one basket.

    4. Re:There's nothing to research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I'm not sold on a 20k DJIA, either, you might retain more wealth by sticking your money in a mattress than buying investment-grade bonds essentially yielding 0% or less until maturity.

    5. Re:There's nothing to research... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      interest rates are kept artificially low worldwide and inflation is also overdue, when this corrects itself and interes rates go up, your bonds will lose value.

      The bonds I'm investing in have already lost value. Not because of the recent interest rate hike but from investors overselling bonds to put money into the stock market. I doubt Trump will deliver on the 3% to 4% growth rate he promised. Without higher growth, inflation won't rise and interest rates will stay low.

      Just don't put everything in one basket.

      I'm waiting for the stock market to crash to buy more shares on the way down.

    6. Re:There's nothing to research... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      While I'm not sold on a 20k DJIA, either, you might retain more wealth by sticking your money in a mattress than buying investment-grade bonds essentially yielding 0% or less until maturity.

      Only an idiot would buy bonds at 0% or less.

    7. Re:There's nothing to research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is in for a rude awakening when he finds out that he's not a dictator.

      I'm just waiting for the day he tries to tell Angela Merkel "You're Fired!"

  5. Good - EPUBs are much better for programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EPUB is a much nicer format for programmers to parse than the ridiculously complicated PDF.

    And we're the ones who count, right ?

    1. Re:Good - EPUBs are much better for programmers by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Why not go straight for S-expressions? ;)

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  6. I'm happy with what the market returns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to learn how to do the same?

    Visit the Bogleheads® wiki https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Main_Page and read the articles in the Getting started section.

    Don't overlook all of the wisdom dispensed via the Bogleheads® Forum https://bogleheads.org/. For those who are willing to be educated, it is a fantastic resource.

    1. Re:I'm happy with what the market returns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly good info there, from what I can tell. My lone beef (with the "getting started" page) is with the minimum 25% investment in bonds as originally recommended by Graham. Graham (and Bogle) lived when bonds had sane yields and were rationally priced. Nowadays investment grade bonds essentially have zero yield, as all the people that moved into retirement over the last 10-15 years shifted their assets from equities to bonds.

      I understand the need to avoid loss, but Graham and Bogle also never had something like an S&P index ETF, either. You could basically replace all of the information on the getting started page with "save regularly and use dollar-cost averaging to invest in SPY/SDY every quarter and you'll be pretty well off", plus or minus some tuning for moving into safer assets prior to retirement.

    2. Re:I'm happy with what the market returns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does appear that the ~30 year bull market may be over, but is it due to retirement funds being shifted to bonds or the influence of central banks?

      I agree with your "save regularly" approach - all of my children are contributing to Roth IRAs (started when they were in college).

      However, I would encourage everyone to consider going beyond just saving and consider other factors.

      Perhaps you have the will power to stick with an 100% allocation to stock during a 40-50% stock sell off, but do your friends? The purpose of bonds is to provide stability which may help prevent behavioral mistakes. I believe that there are folks that sold stock near the bottom in the 2008-2009 time frame and have never returned to an appropriate stock/bond asset allocation. Perhaps if they had an Investment policy statement (IPS) with an appropriate asset allocation, they would not have panicked.

      Bogle has talked about age in bonds, so if you start saving early enough a 100% allocation to stock may be reasonable - other's advocate (age - 10) or even (age - 20) in bonds.

      Have you considered how factors such as the type (bond/stock/...) of investment, location (401k, taxable, Traditional IRA, Roth IRA, 457, 529, ...), Social Security, Pension, Taxes, ... will interact over your and your heirs lifetimes?

      Just as a simple example, suppose that your 401k offers a S&P 500 fund with an expense ration of 0.75%. Do you contribute all of your savings to this fund or do you contribute just enough to obtain the company match and open a Traditional IRA to contribute the rest to and invest in a S&P 500 (or Total Stock Market) fund/ETF with an expense ratio of 0.05%? (Or course, if you are able to contribute more than the IRA limit, you may have to switch back to the 401k.)

      I believe that financial education is exceeding important for everyone - unfortunately, it seems that we are left to our own devices to develop a deep understanding of all of the issues involved.

      The mission of the Bogleheads is to help all of us make better decisions.

  7. Stock reports not stock by sjbe · · Score: 1

    But this is the stock market. At the stock market, there can be a price for anything, even if it is impossible to define what the sold service actually is.

    No it is NOT the stock market. It is information relating to stocks but that is not the same thing. We're talking about purchasing stock analysis reports, not stocks themselves. Information has a value but it's not easy to pin down and the vendor cannot possibly know the value of a single stock report to a given client. Worse, the client buying the report won't know its value until after they have read it.

  8. Sort of is a dictator by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Pence knows how the government works. He's not going to sit around signing symbolic executive orders that have no basis in law. Trump is in for a rude awakening when he finds out that he's not a dictator.

    If the republican congress remains behind Trump then he is for all practical purposes a dictator. The only thing protecting your civil liberties is the fact that the republicans don't have a 3/5 supermajority in the senate and the fact that the Supreme court hasn't gone full tilt conservative yet. That's a very thin line. I think Trump is going to do a lot of damage to a lot of people in this country in the next two years until the next congressional election.

    The fact that Pence knows how government works isn't comforting to those of us who find his brand of politics reprehensible. In his own way he is almost as much of a Bond villain as Trump is.

  9. fintech by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    Why is it that everytime ! see that 'word' my anal sphincter clenches?

  10. Regulatory Requirements by Geodesy99 · · Score: 1

    There are some regulatory requirements that dictate the format and content along with explanatory notes, disclosures, notifications, etc. A lot of it is basically who said what, why, and when, so that both sides of the information transaction are totally clear on the context and responsibilities. Also, a PDF can be secured to various degrees, time stamped, certificated, etc.

  11. HOT STOCK TIPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2cvDi8wwTA