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Google Vows To Build Leading Cloud For Enterprise Windows, Swiping at Microsoft's Core Business (geekwire.com)

Google is going after a core part of Microsoft's cloud business, aiming to expand Google Cloud Platform's appeal to big companies that run the classic combination of Microsoft's Windows Server and SQL Server. From a report: Google Cloud Platform today announced pre-configured images for Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise and Windows Server Core on Google Compute Engine. The rollout includes support for high-availability, disaster-recovery and remote-management features used by big companies It's the latest move by Google Cloud Platform to catch up to Microsoft Azure and Amazon Web Services. The search giant's cloud initiatives are led by Google senior vice president Diane Greene, co-founder and former CEO of VMware, who joined Google as an executive in late 2015 to bolster its efforts to win over big businesses. Greene is also a board member of Google's parent company Alphabet.

31 comments

  1. cloud = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why would anyone just hand that data over to state surveillance?

    1. Re:cloud = bad by doconnor · · Score: 2

      Better one state's surveillance, then badly self-administered servers where the data is available to every state's surveillance and any script-kiddies who come along.

    2. Re:cloud = bad by segedunum · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone just hand that data over to state surveillance?

      I have no idea, but the pennies on privacy, security and the exorbitant cost are going to drop heavily.

    3. Re:cloud = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Better one state's surveillance, then badly self-administered servers where the data is available to every state's surveillance and any script-kiddies who come along.

      There's a major difference in favor of the latter. People have to care about the data, have to reverse engineer the meta data, etc for non-cloud stuff. If it's in the cloud everything is standardized and easy to parse. If someone wants to destroy your company specifically with government backing because you did something illegal it will happen, but on the cloud you're also open to search just to see if there is something to charge you with.

    4. Re:cloud = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea. It's far better to have your own server and lock it in a bathroom closet to keep it secure.

    5. Re: cloud = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bathroom closet?

      You're doing it wrong.

    6. Re:cloud = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a nation-state interested in what you do... you are already in more trouble than you can handle.

      They have more resources than you can conceive of. They don't care about you. If they cared, you could not defend yourself against the forces aligned against you.

      Get over your paranoia. It is not helping.

  2. MS Could tweak their products for Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Similar to how Amazon tweaks and close-sources MySQL on Aurora.

  3. I don't get it. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't Azure basically an attempt to address the non-Windows hosted/cloud alternatives... how does Google buying Windows licenses pose a threat to Microsoft? Wouldn't it be a bigger threat/opportunity to assist companies move away from the Microsoft environment?

    It just reeks of "it ain't done till [google] don't run."

    1. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at the prices of Azure instances? They would pay for the windows licenses in under a month EASILY.

      For what I got a 1TB/mo 4 v.core off of xeon, 12 GB ram, 500GB HDD dedicated server for 20$/mo. it would have cost me several hundred dollars for an EC2 instance or an Azure instance... (And Azure was like ~1.7x more expensive)

      So if Alphabet can eat into MSFT's cloud platform.. what do they care about a few thousand windows license here or there... that is almost a rounding error in the # that they probably buy a year...

    2. Re:I don't get it. by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Where did you get the impression that they are providing the licenses for free?

      The summary said that they have 'images' pre-configured for SQL Server and Windows. I read that as VMs that have been provisioned based on Microsoft Windows Server ISOs, or Windows Server + SQL. It does not say anything about licensing.

      From an Azure perspective, Microsoft lets EA customers double up on their licenses. You can use your internal license in Azure "for free" and just pay for compute.

      https://azure.microsoft.com/en...

      Disclaimer: I'm neck deep in building out a private + Azure + AWS hybrid cloud infrastructure so I deal with this on a daily basis.

    3. Re:I don't get it. by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1
      The answer was basically in TFA:

      Microsoft gets to play both sides of the fence, because it also receives licensing fees for versions of Windows and SQL Server running in its rivals' clouds. But the Redmond company is increasingly relying on its own cloud revenue. Microsoft's commercial cloud run rate -- a projection of the annual revenue from products including Office 365 and Azure -- topped $14 billion in the company’s latest quarterly results, a new record.

      They're swiping at the cloud revenue, not the Windows/SQL product licensing revenue.

    4. Re:I don't get it. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Have you looked at the prices of Azure instances? They would pay for the windows licenses in under a month EASILY.

      For what I got a 1TB/mo 4 v.core off of xeon, 12 GB ram, 500GB HDD dedicated server for 20$/mo. it would have cost me several hundred dollars for an EC2 instance or an Azure instance... (And Azure was like ~1.7x more expensive)

      No one can compete with the discounts MS can give on SQL licenses. MS seems perfectly willing to operate Azure at a loss in hopes that they'll "make it up on volume". Google could of course operate their cloud at an even bigger loss, but only by funneling money to MS, which is hardly a way to defeat them.

      So if Alphabet can eat into MSFT's cloud platform.. what do they care about a few thousand windows license here or there... that is almost a rounding error in the # that they probably buy a year...

      Google isn't really a MS customer. From what I hear they don't use any MS products internally, except where directly needed for compatibility. Devs aren't even allowed to have a Windows laptop without a specific business justification.

      OTOH, Google went from supporting their own build of Firefox just to prevent MS from messing with them, to launching Chrome and taking over the world. Who knows - they may be working on reverse-engineering MS SQL. That would sting.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  4. Lacks enterprise firewalls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AWS has Palo Alto and other familiar technology for enterprises. Until Google Cloud can catch up in the enterprise security area I don't think they will be a good enterprise cloud option.

    1. Re:Lacks enterprise firewalls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is regulatory compliance as well. HIPAA compliance is dicey, FERPA and CJIS compliance is not mentioned. I can visit Amazon and Microsoft's web pages and get info on the compliance aspect easily.

      Until this is done, Google's Cloud is still out of the question.

  5. You = bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone write something as stupid as you did?

  6. Swiping away by using their products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, definitely need to get rid of a few editors.....

    1. Re:Swiping away by using their products? by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      There is a subset of people that must run a Microsoft OS for whatever reason. These people need to run that OS on a computer. Today, many of them are paying Microsoft money (above the licensing fee) to run that OS on Azure. If they move to Google, Microsoft gets less revenue. That qualifies as "Google is going after a core part of Microsoft's cloud business".

    2. Re:Swiping away by using their products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what now? oh, someone with a learning disability. when you go into a store and see windows laptops for sale, that's the store using those laptops. gotcha. i'm guessing in your world bartenders drink gallons of booze on the weekend. "using" and "selling" mean different things moron.

  7. All Hail The GoogleNet! by r1seo · · Score: 1

    Slowly and steadily we are moving away from the internet and into the Googlenet... Or so it feels anyway, and with each step a little bit of freedom seems to disappear as more and more tracking comes in.

    1. Re:All Hail The GoogleNet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Google, Facebook! Inter-Face!

  8. Interesting if they can pull it off by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    One thing I don't know if Google could match is the legacy support. Microsoft wants everyone off on-premises Windows and onto Azure badly and is investing a lot of money to do it. I come from a very legacy industry with lots of ancient Windows software, and Microsoft's attitude has been "bring it in, refactor it and move it to cheaper PaaS stuff if/when you can." They're offering lots of help too -- as soon as they saw companies were OK with Office 365 permanent revenue lock-in, the strategy is now to get everyone's workload in their cloud and charge perpetually.

    AWS and Google in my experience seem to be much more focused on the "cloud only, mobile only, desktops are for LUDDITES, apps!" crowd. And it makes sense -- if you're a startup and have no identity management needs, no ties to Active Directory or an on-premises infrastructure, then why not throw out the rulebook and develop from scratch? How many thousands of web frameworks are out there? I'm sure AWS and Google have a pre-built template for all of them. AWS has virtual machines, and they even do a sorta-DaaS service. But you can tell their heart's not really in it...yeah sure, here's some VMs to run your Luddite stuff but check out all these cool new microservices! Microsoft's approach so far has been that they have all the cutting edge stuff, but are willing to invest the time and infrastructure money to host IaaS stuff as first-class citizens.

    One thing I think Microsoft could step their game up on is catering to "IT Pros" which is their name for non-developers. Yes, we're all going to be DevOps ninjas or whatever the hipsters are calling us, but IT guys need to come up to speed fast on this stuff, and fill in the gaps in their knowledge. I've been doing this like crazy over the last year -- if you're not a full-time web developer the documentation is a little opaque at first until you get some backstory.

    1. Re: Interesting if they can pull it off by Entrope · · Score: 1

      But what do they have to address buzzword-as-a-service requirements?

  9. $10 one time license versus $200 / month by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > how does Google buying Windows licenses pose a threat to Microsoft?

    Windows licenses in bulk are what, about $10, once? Versus $2,400 / year for cloud hosting a medium sized instance.

    > Wouldn't it be a bigger threat/opportunity to assist companies move away from the Microsoft environment?

    It's much easier to sell Google database services, machine learning, DNS, and all the other non-Microsoft Google stuff to companies hosted in Google's cloud. To help companies transition away from Microsoft, Google first needs to allow them to bring their environment to Google. Once it's on Google's cloud platform, it makes more sense for the company's *next* database server to be one of the many databases offered by Google rather than defaulting to MS SQL.

    1. Re:$10 one time license versus $200 / month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has always made more sense for a company's next database to not be Oracle or MS SQL. This hasn't stopped them from doing it though even though the options have always been available.

    2. Re:$10 one time license versus $200 / month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what makes you think MS won't create a whole new classification of bulk licensing fees? Google has always focused their true efforts on their search engine. At it's core Google is a Marketing and Advertising conglomerate and all their efforts are geared towards becoming a bigger and better Marketing and Advertising conglomerate. However, they have history is releasing beta versions of their latest and greatest systems and applications and then discontinuing support only after not attracting enough usage to make it worth keeping around.

  10. Some of the same security services, others waiting by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Google's cloud has some of the same security services that are popular on Amazon, and others can be deployed whenever more customers want them.

    As an example, several security services that you can buy through Amazon are actually provided by a security company called Alert Logic. Alert Logic announced support for Google Cloud in 2014:

    https://www.alertlogic.com/pre...

    You can bet that as Google Cloud manages to get more market share, companies like Alert Logic are ready to deploy more services to Google Cloud. They have stuff in the pipeline, awaiting completion whenever their customers ask for Google support.

  11. Hubris. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

    Google can compete with Microsoft in the Windows Enterprise space in one area - price. And even that will be difficult due to licensing costs. They will not be able to compete in capabilities or quality. Say what you want about Microsoft, they are pretty good technically when it comes to Windows. The most Google can do in this space is drive MS's prices down, but I hardly see how that's good for Google.

    Linux? Sure, I'd expect Google to eat Microsoft's lunch.

  12. Slashdot is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tech stories seem to average less than a hundred comments, while political articles rack up several hundred.

    Anybody know a site where there's a good vim vs emacs war going on?