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All Three New 2017 iPhones To Feature Wireless Charging, Says Analyst (macrumors.com)

In late October, Nikkei Asian Review released a report claiming Foxconn was testing wireless charging modules for the iPhone 8. Another report has surfaced recently that further reinforces those claims. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo now claims that all three new iPhones expected to launch later this year will feature wireless charging. MacRumors reports: Kuo said wireless charging increases the internal temperature of smartphones, so he expects the rumored iPhone 8 with an OLED display and glass casing to have a new 3D Touch module with "additional graphite sheet lamination" in order to prevent the device from malfunctioning due to overheating. An excerpt from Kuo's research note obtained by MacRumors: "While we don't expect general users to notice any difference, lamination of an additional graphite sheet is needed for better thermal control and, thus, steady operation; this is because FPCB is replaced with film, which is more sensitive to temperature change of the 3D touch sensor in OLED iPhone." The new 3D Touch module could be up to $5 more expensive for Apple to procure per phone. While that is a minimal increase, it lends further credence to a report claiming the high-end iPhone 8 could cost upwards of $1,000 in the United States due to a significant redesign and the use of premium parts.

143 comments

  1. That's a bold move, cotton. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

    The iPhone isn't the in thing it once was. I'm surprised to see them making it dramatically more expensive.

    Let's see if it pays off.

    Wireless charging is the next step toward eliminating the charging port. I've been using wireless charging for about 4 years now and I've only ever plugged in to upload music. I'd guess most people don't even do that.

    1. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't play many games on your phone?

      Some of the games will eat an iPhones battery in 3 hours. So if you sit down of an evening after a full days work then you may only have 30 minutes of play time on the phone. So people plug in. You can't do that with wireless charging.

      Think about how many millions of those battery packs have been sold. That is so people can charge on the move.

    2. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Those battery packs are sold so people can play Pokemon Go for more than a half hour. Grrr...

    3. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by dead_user · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be wireless only. My wife's Galaxy S6 supports Qi wireless or micro usb. Plug in or set it down. User's choice.

      There will still be a lightning connector or equivalent on the new iPhone just like there is now. You will still need usb connectivity. On a side note, I added Qi charging to my iPhone 6 with a $15 case that has a lightning port plug on the bottom and a coil and magnet embedded in the back.

      I LOVE being able to plop my phone down on my desk charger, bringing up my podcast player and hitting play. The BT speakers have already connected and charging is a done deal. When I leave I just grab it and go. Awesome. The downside to the route I went is exactly your point. It's a pain to unplug my case to plug in a battery pack. Having wireless charging built in would solve this particular first world problem.

    4. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't play many games on your phone?

      Some of the games will eat an iPhones battery in 3 hours. So if you sit down of an evening after a full days work then you may only have 30 minutes of play time on the phone. So people plug in. You can't do that with wireless charging.

      Think about how many millions of those battery packs have been sold. That is so people can charge on the move.

      Games on your phone. Best post all day. I can't use my phone as fishing bait either.

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    5. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Agreed completely. I have an LG G4 which you can add wireless charging to for a $5 sticker that goes inside the back of the case. I use a wireless pad on my desk to keep my phone topped up during the day.

      My Comment was referring to this part of the OP's comment "Wireless charging is the next step toward eliminating the charging port. I've been using wireless charging for about 4 years now and I've only ever plugged in to upload music. I'd guess most people don't even do that."

    6. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be wireless only.

      Not immediately. But sooner or later some beancounter will spot that waste and remove it.

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    7. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you limit what you do with your phone just to make the battery last. That's a compromise.

    8. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So you limit what you do with your phone just to make the battery last. That's a compromise.

      Limit is such a limiting word. I have had a lifelong tendency to use devices that best fit the purpose.

      So it's mobile. Mobile. I see people out at breakfast squinting at their little smartphones. While all of the things a smartphone can do are impressive in such a small form factor, we have to face it - for anything other than phone calls, they are pretty shitty. They are only marginal at texting even. But the small screen, the constant switching between WiF and 4G to avoid blowing the data cap, they are a "world's tallest midget" solution.

      And that's why I have an array of devices. I have my iPhone because it integrates with my Mac which I use because Windows does not have the software I need to use, I have a Samsung Android Tablet in the living room, I have a good Windows Laptop that I need to run some SDR software I use, and Some Linux machines I use for some other RF implementations. And a cheap Chromebook I use at breakfast because I don't give a damn if someone spills a coffee in it.

      While I don't expect people to go to my lengths of different equipment, It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a little experience that a smartphone of any make or model of any price range, when reduced to it's nature, is nothing more than a toy at best. Something that might do a lot of things, yet none of them very well.

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    9. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 1
      thanks.

      I knew there was someone out there making an effort to buy all the chips our customers produce, thus keeping me in my job.

    10. Re:That's a bold move, cotton. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      thanks.

      I knew there was someone out there making an effort to buy all the chips our customers produce, thus keeping me in my job.

      I'm a computer guy. I love working with and playing with them. Been curious about these things my entire career. At least to me, it beats the concept of personality determining what you buy. I wonder what my polycomputing outlook makes me?

      I know - an asshole! 8^)

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  2. More pants-on-head retarded nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Wireless charging' is ridiculous nonsense and I can't believe anyone is actually going to market a major product that uses it. Apple needs to check it's tap water for lead contamination, apparently.

    1. Re:More pants-on-head retarded nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple needs wireless charging on the iPhone, though: since there's now only one port, you can no longer listen to music on your iPhone and keep it charged at the same time. Which is probably why they're adding it.

      Plus, as an added bonus (at least in Apple's eyes), wireless charging heats up the phone, making it die faster, forcing people to buy new phones that much sooner.

    2. Re:More pants-on-head retarded nonsense by mmell · · Score: 1

      My wife and I both use it. It's not as fast as the wire, but it's convenient as hell. Personally, I wonder what took Apple so long - trying to come up with Bluetooth earbuds, or getting rid of the audio jack?

    3. Re:More pants-on-head retarded nonsense by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I would think reliability is an issue. I have friends who have wireless charging and for some of them it's only reliable 50% of the time. They've noted that when the phone is low, there is a higher chance it won't charge but this is all anecdotal evidence.

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  3. Also features wireless bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nt

  4. overcharge asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exploding wireless charging batteries will be hilarious.

    1. Re:overcharge asplode by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That would be a Samsung only patent that Apple can't copy: Samsung could successfully sue them in the International Court of Justice in the Hague if they try it

  5. Courage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what would have been courage? Giving the iphone 7 wireless charging. Then they could say, no more ports. I think that would have been way more receptive to the audience. The downside would be charging would be a whole lot more complicated.

    1. Re:Courage by sexconker · · Score: 1

      How is it complicated? If you're away from a charging pad, you can use any microwave to charge your device. Just make sure to use the defrost setting.

    2. Re:Courage by bobbied · · Score: 1

      You know what would have been courage? Giving the iphone 7 wireless charging. Then they could say, no more ports. I think that would have been way more receptive to the audience. The downside would be charging would be a whole lot more complicated.

      Charging would be easier, however, CHARGERS would be a lot more expensive. Remember, this is APPLE we are talking about, where the accessories cost as much as the device.

      Wireless charging involves laying your phone on the surface of the charger or dropping it into the socket like the Sonicar electric toothbrushes do. Imagine the cost of a car charger now...

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    3. Re:Courage by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Imagine not being able to use your phone while it's charging....

    4. Re:Courage by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      How is it complicated? If you're away from a charging pad, you can use any microwave to charge your device. Just make sure to use the defrost setting.

      Can't I just use a toaster set on "medium dark"? 4Chan swears by it.

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    5. Re:Courage by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      They will just remove the trade-in option for Iphone 8 buyers.

      All Iphone 8 buyers are assumed to have an Iphone 7 already, that they can use while the Iphone 8 is charging.

    6. Re:Courage by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I recently upgraded from a 5s to a 7. I passed on the 5s to my niece, so I don't have that option. I'd assume a lot of people would, not just could, hand over older but perfectly good phones to family members or relatives

  6. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They screwed up with deleting the headphone jack. I have an iPhone 6 and I can charge and listen to sounds in the privacy of my own head.

    No headphone jack, no sale. I'll just go back Android.

  7. Re:Apple just does it right by bobbied · · Score: 1

    LOL, I can get wireless charging for my Note 4 right now...

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  8. Re:Apple just does it right by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Aren't they a little late to the wireless charging party?

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  9. Re:Apple just does it right by mmell · · Score: 2
    My wife's Samsung has had wireless charging for a couple years now. So has my Nexus 5. Several other Android phones as well.

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran". By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

  10. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get some Bluetooth headphones Grandpa.

  11. Wireless? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    I don't think that word means what you think it means... No plug in the phone maybe, but wireless?

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    1. Re:Wireless? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The term is apt. It refers to charging via induction, and no conductive wires are necessary to run from the charger to the device.

    2. Re:Wireless? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid in the early 1970s we had an electric toothbrush that charged via induction.

    3. Re:Wireless? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Ain't that how electric toothbrushes even today charge - the ones that don't come w/ a battery, but instead w/ a charging stand? I have one from Braun

    4. Re:Wireless? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Definitely. The same technology. Basically an iron core transformer where the secondary winding is in the toothpaste handle.

      It was pretty cool in the 70's, but the only innovate thing, even back then, was the rechargeable battery.

  12. Re:Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gaysex

  13. Re:Apple just does it right by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Dude the Note 4 has a readily user removable battery, you get remote charging, not only that, you get guaranteed 100% off. Sometimes when my even older note 3 misbehaves, like a noisy alarm during a troubled sleep, just when you just finally manage to nod off and that off switch just doesn't seem to work any more, being able to kill it by ripping the battery out, is just so satisfying as is the quite spell when you fail to put in back in or forget to switch it back on.

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  14. Re:Apple just does it right by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

    By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    It doesn't bother me at all. Some whiners complain about not being able to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. Hell, I'm rocking my tunes and posting this from my new iPhone as we speak. I don't see what the b

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  15. Re:Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran".

    But it will require an Apple branded charger, so it is "innovative".

  16. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. Accept those apple compromises.

  17. Analysts by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    Android phones: this is our new feature... This is our new phone. Ios: this is our new feature, we remove these features, we force you those patches. 6 months of analysts' articles, journalists' articles, thousands of comments and a lot of wasted time apple releases a 2 or 3 year old feature in one of the most ezpensive phones out there.

    1. Re:Analysts by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      iOS: this is our new iOS update. It will nerf your older iPhone. Don't get nervous, it will still be able to make phone calls and receive email.

      Look at the great stuff you'll be able to do with your new iPhone!!!

  18. Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone. by ukoda · · Score: 2

    The Nexus 4 had QI wireless charging a few years ago but the Nexus 6 was the last Google phone to have it. I have refused to buy a Nexus 6P or Pixel due to the lack of wireless charging. If Apple introduces wireless charging they will, for the first time, be making a phone that I consider technically better than Google's offering. It would not be enough to get me to change to closed Apple eco system but may sway others.

    I note the linked articles make no indication of what wireless standard they will use. Given that QI is used by almost everyone I would hope that is the standard they will follow, but Apple, being Apple, will probably see the need to introduce a new incompatible standard. I hope I am wrong about that,

  19. Re:Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are apple. No one invites them to anything.

  20. Re:Apple just does it right by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

    It doesn't bother me at all. Some whiners complain about not being able to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. Hell, I'm rocking my tunes and posting this from my new iPhone as we speak. I don't see what the b

    Yeah, I feel your pain. I have to use an iphone for work, and I really hate where they put the "send" button so that it's easy to accidentally send emails and other messages when you haven't finished writing them yet.

    Thankfully, we're looking at adopting a BYOD program and I'll be able to use my Nexus 6P.

  21. 2 questions by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    First, who wants that? Wireless charging is actually incredibly inconvenient under most circumstances. First, you can't use the phone sensibly while it's charging. Yes, you can pick up the phone and interrupt the charging to use it, but that does just that: It interrupts the charging process and drains the battery, increasing the time considerably that the phone spends on the charger, which is already longer than it would remain plugged in in the first place. Then, taking that charger with you to use it, e.g. at work or at a friend's place, is inconvenient to say the least. With the standardization of power adapters in phones today (ok, not with Apple, I know, but with pretty much any other phone), I don't even have to take my charger with me at all, it's near impossible that there isn't one where I am going to go. I would not count on that with this charging system.

    And second question, does that mean Apple now plans to get rid of the power (plus whatever else) socket, too? Because then the aforementioned problem would sure be more than just a nuisance which could be avoided by simply using a normal data/power cord to charge them.

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    1. Re:2 questions by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      First, who wants that? Wireless charging is actually incredibly inconvenient under most circumstances. First, you can't use the phone sensibly while it's charging.

      Yeah, but you get to buy all new charging doohickeys and maybe a new dongle or two. It's a win-win, my friend! Courage!

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    2. Re:2 questions by unixisc · · Score: 2

      This point exactly. I get a pretty good life out of my iPhone 7, and usually just charge it overnight. During the day, if I'm not using it, I leave it charged. If I need to use it, I just unplug it normally and plug it back when done. In the car, if for any reason I needed to use it, I'd keep it plugged in charged. While I could use it as an iPad, I don't. Nor do I use it to navigate - I have my car GPS. I use this phone mainly for FaceTime/WhatsApp

      Your second point is an interesting one. As it is, Apple is trying to standardize on USB Type C, so dropping the charging port would enable them to stop supporting the Lightning connector standard as well. If you want a headphone, they'll suggest the earbuds, and if you want to charge, then the wireless charge. So no reason to have that, and that makes it easier for you to dive into the pool w/ your phone and continue that conversation w/ your girlfriend (I'll ignore that you're on /.)

      One thing: even for Apple, you can use a standard power adaptor: just carry your micro-USB to lightning adaptor w/ you whenever you go, and have it handy, if charging is something you need to do frequently.

      Having said all that though, reading this story, my iPhone 7 is probably my last phone - until it drops dead. It had one thing that my old 5s doesn't - Apple Pay, and it also had one thing when I first got it that nothing else at the time had - FaceTime. Today, WhatsApp has video calling as well, so I don't have a compelling need for an iPhone, aside from Apple Pay

    3. Re:2 questions by gravewax · · Score: 1

      A fuck load of us want that and use it already. I have a wireless charger on both my work desks and one next to my bedside. anytime I am not actively playing with the phone I can drop it onto a charger with fiddling around with cables.

    4. Re:2 questions by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Me. I want it. Wireless charging is no where near as inconvenient as plugging and unplugging cables constantly, or better still in the dark. I'm not sure why you would want to use the phone "sensibly while charging" but right now if I pick it up it's going to get unplugged so I can hold it to my ear.

      Also if you're taking your chargers with you, you're doing it wrong. Not to mention you'll get some strange looks if you drag you IKEA bed-side table to your friend's house instead of just a cable. ... You do realise you can still use your cable right?

    5. Re:2 questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to research or even use a modern phone with fast wireless charging. I have a Samsung Galaxy S7 in a pretty thick case, 3 fast wireless charging pads and associated quick charge power bricks dotted around my house and my phone instantly starts to fast charge when placed on the wireless charger drawing about 13 watts (9v @ about 1.5A)

      It charges pretty dam quick over wireless. You can get from 20 to 80% in about 30 mins. And if I want to continue charging when it rings I just pick it up, start my conversation and unplug the USB lead from the wireless pad and plug it into the phone if I really want charging to continue. But that's not necessary when the phone, even if it's been on the wireless pad only a few mins, will have had a fair amount of charge pumped in.

      Before criticising the concept/technology out of hand, maybe you should try to use it first so you have some practical experience to base your opinions on?

      What you appear to be questioning is wireless ONLY charging, and that's an awful long way off... USB ports and cables are ubiquitous and so some form of cable based charging will remain for a while. Any manufacturer that goes wireless only would be very foolish, but then Apple rely on their foolish fan base to follow their foolish decisions without question, so maybe Apple could indeed be first.

  22. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Of course, you will just need a dongle and white gold Android-to-iPhone-converter-inductor-plate for $69.99 -- except for the the black Qi chargers, they wont work at all.

  23. Re: Apple just does it right by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then I can charge the bluetooth headphones while charging the Apple Phone while listening to music. Who woulda guessed life could be so grand!?!

  24. Re:Apple just does it right by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    Apple invented wireless charging just a few weeks from now!

  25. Seriously?? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3

    "...the high-end iPhone 8 could cost upwards of $1,000"

    A thousand bucks for a phone? Ha ha ha ha ha ha...no. I'm not gonna spend that much on a phone even if it comes with a blowjob attachment.

    Also, won't this graphite sheet add ~0.00001mm of thickness to the phone? How will Apple users ever manage to put up with this outrageous increase in thickness? Won't someone please think of the Apple users?

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    1. Re:Seriously?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People already spend over $650 for an iPhone. Many pay more than that for additional storage. 128 GB costs an extra $100. The Plus versions cost an extra $120.

      The cost of iPhones was hidden by carrier subsidies in which a phone is paid off in monthly installments. That's less popular these days, but I don't understand why iPhones are still popular. The $100 Android phones I've used are more stable and provider a better user experience than iOS.

    2. Re:Seriously?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...the high-end iPhone 8 could cost upwards of $1,000"

      I have news for you: the current iPhone already costs upwards of $1,000. The iPhone 7 Plus costs $970.

  26. microwave phone charging by unixisc · · Score: 1

    How does one know how to align such a phone w/ a microwave?

  27. "Says ANALYST" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol at headline. I prefer anal to vag myself, but I don't think that makes me an expert on iFruit accessories, or does it?

    1. Re:"Says ANALYST" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Lol at headline. I prefer anal to vag myself, but I don't think that makes me an expert on iFruit accessories, or does it?

      You have confused an "Analyst" (one who analyzes) to an "Analist" (one who knows about, or prefers, Anuses).

  28. Re:Apple just does it right by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

    Woosh....

  29. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by kqs · · Score: 2

    I note the linked articles make no indication of what wireless standard they will use. Given that QI is used by almost everyone I would hope that is the standard they will follow, but Apple, being Apple, will probably see the need to introduce a new incompatible standard. I hope I am wrong about that,

    I've owned a number of Qi devices, and while I love wireless charging, Qi is too limited. Too slow, placement is too precise, distance is too small (even a thin case slowed charging). I'm using a USB-c Nexus now; less convenient but fast charging and a plug which doesn't just piss you off.

    I really hope that Apple goes with a far better charging system, something that gives you at least a few inches distance (better would be a few feet, maybe with beamforming?) and speed to match USB-c charging. If so, then other phones will get that too within a year and I'll be much happier.

  30. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    They screwed up with deleting the headphone jack. I have an iPhone 6 and I can charge and listen to sounds in the privacy of my own head.

    No headphone jack, no sale. I'll just go back Android.

    Isn't it amazing? Completely impossible to listen to an iPhone 7 on any headsets whatsoever. Go figure. I have a bluetooth - Works. I have Apple's headset - it works. I have the 10 dollar pair of cheap mini stereo plugged headset that is the gold standard of Slashdot users - why it even works. There is something in you folks heads, but it's alternative facts.

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  31. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Accept those apple compromises.

    Tell me what the compromises are AC.

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  32. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Then I can charge the bluetooth headphones while charging the Apple Phone while listening to music. Who woulda guessed life could be so grand!?!

    Oh my.that's what started the Bowling green massacre. Seriously dude, It's the wrong color for you, Steve Jobs is an asshole and your Chevvie can run circles around my Ford.

    If the 10 dollar set of headphones is the determinant factor, then but a Samsung phone and revel in your wise purchase.

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  33. Why would the socket go? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    And second question, does that mean Apple now plans to get rid of the power (plus whatever else) socket, too?

    It makes no sense to do so; there are a ton of accessories that rely on a socket. So if wireless charging is addd, a socket will still be there... which makes your first question moot since anyone who doesn't want wireless charging will continue to use cords (that attach to the phone).

    I personally feel the same way as you about the dubious benefit that wireless charging brings. But I just wont use it if I find it inconvenient for any reason.

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    1. Re:Why would the socket go? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that argument "So many accessories need it" doesn't mean jack shit with Apple. Phone jack, anyone?

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  34. Re:Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    My wife's Samsung has had wireless charging for a couple years now. So has my Nexus 5. Several other Android phones as well.

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran". By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    There are plenty of reasons that wireless charging is a really bad and inferior technical solution. So if you like it - fine. Use it, But you're strutting around like you own the world. Would you like the explanation?

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  35. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by ukoda · · Score: 1

    You are right about the placement. I have couple of nicer chargers that have multi coil designs and are angled so the phone naturally falls to good position. This works well, even thru a thick leather cover. Charging is slow but as I have charging pads scattered everywhere I never have a flat battery.

    That said the Type-C USB is a huge improvement. I have it on my laptop and think it is great step up from all other USB connectors.

  36. Re:Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    It doesn't bother me at all. Some whiners complain about not being able to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. Hell, I'm rocking my tunes and posting this from my new iPhone as we speak. I don't see what the b

    If you are serious, you have some severe time management issues. As well, isn't listening to music on a smartphone and bragging about it a little silly? The world's tallest midget concept. I listened to my iPhone 7 with a cheap pair of real headphones, the ones Slashdot users cite and apparently see as the gold standard. Meh. I listened with my iphones plugged into the charging port. Sounded pretty good. Then I plugged in my Studio headset. Sounded similar, a little better. (that one went through two of the dreaded dongles, a 1/4 to 1/8th inch, and the spawn of hell Apple dongle. Then I listened to it through a Bluetooth headset. I prefer the Bluetooth for one main reason. The entire concept of the cord. I think I understand why so many people have cracked screens, when tehy move and pull teh phone and it hits the floor.

    Then I listened to my music through a computer system put the phone aside, and allowed it to be a phone. I also use my bluetooth headset for my Samsung, for the same reason. This is asilly argument, and I reply mostly to annoy people who adhere to it.

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  37. Anal(c)yst says something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And tries to effect stock prices... Now we can all celebrate at this rare event.

  38. Re: Apple just does it right by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    The $700 savings I realize by using my Galaxy J3 Android phone is the determinant factor. It even came with a free pair of headphones! I had to upgrade the flash to 128GB by slotting in a microSD card I got on Black Friday for $25. Get this, it is even a Samsung MicroSD card. I have a brand loyalty thing going, I suppose. Maybe not.

    Steve Jobs is a non-entity at the present time, however. And my Ford Ranger can run over your Harrison. If I can get it to start in the cold weather. It was cranky this morning.

    We shouldn't fight. Likely, we use the same brand of at least something. I wear Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear. You?

  39. Re:Apple just does it right by Freischutz · · Score: 1

    By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    It doesn't bother me at all. Some whiners complain about not being able to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. Hell, I'm rocking my tunes and posting this from my new iPhone as we speak. I don't see what the b

    What bugs me is wireless charging. Presumably they will eliminate the lightning port entirely so instead of carrying a single USB chord with me that I can plug into any random USB socket to charge the phone, I now have to buy a $75 charging module to keep at work and another one to keep in my car. Chords may be annoying but they are not $150 annoying. Another gripe is that they want to eliminate physical buttons which I don't like. It was bad enough when Samsung did it ... accidental input anybody??? Finally, if Apple starts charging well in excess of $1000 for their phones, everybody else who has a phone worth buying will follow suit which gives me yet another disincentive to upgrade.

  40. Headphone jack is redundant by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but that argument "So many accessories need it" doesn't mean jack shit with Apple. Phone jack, anyone?

    Sorry (not really), but that is a stupid argument. The entire functionality of the headphone jack is redundant with the power jack. Furthermore, while the lighting jack can do a large number of things (external battery pack, speaker connector, USB connector, etc) the headphone jack could do one thing - audio in/out (with Stripe being a hack on top of that one thing).

    If you got rid of the lightning jack you would have no remaining way to provide for the features it offers today. Losing the headphone jack was of zero realistic concern to more than 1% of users; losing the lightning jack would impact probably 99% of users.

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    1. Re:Headphone jack is redundant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest we simply sit and wait how it plays out.

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    2. Re: Headphone jack is redundant by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Removing the headphone jack makes it a less convenient solution for listening to music in the car on long journeys via the aux, unless you think I should upgrade my car stereo just because Apple have made a bad decision. I'll stick with my 6s until they either reverse the decision or stop supporting it.

    3. Re: Headphone jack is redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naah, just use your 8-track

    4. Re: Headphone jack is redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must have a great time at the grocery store.
      -pears. why the fuck are they selling pears? too much water and not sweet enough. why don't they replace the pears with more oranges? I'm not buying the pears until they replace them with oranges, which I am already buying.

      -milk? I'm lactose intolerant. I can't drink milk - why would anyone want to drink milk? They could clear up so much more space for apples if they get rid of the milk.

      +at the car dealer:
      when I load my piano into this sports car, it does not fit. can you design this sports car so it is a sports truck?
      -sir, the trucks are the next lot over
      +can you not make these sports cars into trucks?

      +at the truckstop bathroom:
      john, why the fuck did you wife back to front?
      -shut the fuck up sanchez.

      caption: spatter. relevant because I saw the caption, and wrote something related to that caption, then went:
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  41. Re:Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean it charges wirelessly? Just like my HTC 8 and my Lumina 735 Windows phones have been able to do for the last 5 years? Or does this mean that you can only charge it wirelessly. Try that in your car, yet another dongle.

    Just follow the lead of Dead Steve.

  42. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Apple claim they invented anything significant?

    Some how android fanboys make it sound like Apple goes around making these claims.

    Apple fanbois make stupid claims but Apple themselves?

  43. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL im sure his underwear are Fruit of the Loom. He just cuts all all the fruit but the apple.

  44. And in another 3 years.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple will invent Quick Charging.

  45. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #Fuck ChApple

  46. Premium parts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing premium about Apple is the bullshit.

  47. "get bluetooth" not a valid response by globaljustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get some Bluetooth headphones Grandpa.

    ugh this is annoying...

    "get bluetooth" isn't a valid fix for several reasons

    first, Apple didn't just remove a headphone jack, they removed a *universally compatible data port* that allowed for simultaneous, cheap, adaptable charging and using the jack for headphones or for an accessory like a Square card reader. Simultaneously.

    removing functionality like that is exactly like if Ford removed all the doors on the right side of their cars...it's perfectly analogous in how it cripples the user

    2nd, bluetooth runs out of batteries

    3rd, just because *you* and your particular use case have your needs met with bluetooth headphones and one jack doesn't mean that it's a good design for all users, from the perspective of designing a system for users.

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    1. Re:"get bluetooth" not a valid response by ThirdPrize · · Score: 1

      1 - However much you spend on wired phones, the wire will eventually fray and break.
      2 - Sound is sssssooooo much beter on wireless phones as its not relying on the charge through the phones cable to make the sound.

      I would never go back.

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    2. Re: "get bluetooth" not a valid response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bluetooth uses lossy compression on your already compressed audio, I've yet to find an implementation which sounds even close to decent earbuds. It adds distracting latency if you're watching a movie or playing a game.

      In short is shite for the job they asked it to do.

    3. Re: "get bluetooth" not a valid response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you've spent far too long listening to your headphones too loud if you can't hear the lossy compression garble of A2DP. Aksi the already mentioned latency of Bluetooth. Makes video frustrating to watch when the sound is out of sync with what's on the scrern

    4. Re:"get bluetooth" not a valid response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh...

      Seriously dude, no point in writing these things. Whoever still doesn't understand these kind of things will never understand. Just leave them be and consider them for what they are. Lost sheeps...

    5. Re:"get bluetooth" not a valid response by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Get some Bluetooth headphones Grandpa.

      ugh this is annoying...

      "get bluetooth" isn't a valid fix for several reasons

      first, Apple didn't just remove a headphone jack, they removed a *universally compatible data port* that allowed for simultaneous, cheap, adaptable charging and using the jack for headphones or for an accessory like a Square card reader. Simultaneously.

      removing functionality like that is exactly like if Ford removed all the doors on the right side of their cars...it's perfectly analogous in how it cripples the user

      2nd, bluetooth runs out of batteries

      3rd, just because *you* and your particular use case have your needs met with bluetooth headphones and one jack doesn't mean that it's a good design for all users, from the perspective of designing a system for users.

      Square was WAY ahead of this. They released BT card-readers well-ahead of the Great JackOff of 2016. Next!

      Your car-door analogy is ridiculous. Next!

      If we're talking about AirPods, they run out in about five hours. Then you can pop them into their charging case for about 15 minutes and get another 2 or 3 hours. Repeat for 24 hours before the case needs to be recharged. If you can't do without your Tunez for 15 minutes, then you need mental help. Next!

      You're right that BT isn't right for all people or all use-cases. That's why Apple included a Lightning headset AND a 3.5 mm Adapter Cable with the phone. Next!

      Oh wait. You're out of objections...

    6. Re: "get bluetooth" not a valid response by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth uses lossy compression on your already compressed audio, I've yet to find an implementation which sounds even close to decent earbuds. It adds distracting latency if you're watching a movie or playing a game.

      In short is shite for the job they asked it to do.

      Some BT headsets, including AirPods, use much higher-quality CODECs, like AAC, and they have done a lot to reduce the latency to near zero. The reviews of AirPods all say the latency is undetectable by a human when watching (and listening to) videos.

    7. Re: "get bluetooth" not a valid response by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you've spent far too long listening to your headphones too loud if you can't hear the lossy compression garble of A2DP. Aksi the already mentioned latency of Bluetooth. Makes video frustrating to watch when the sound is out of sync with what's on the scrern

      That's why you need to ditch the junk and get some W1-equipped earbuds/headphones from Apple/Beats.

    8. Re:"get bluetooth" not a valid response by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      Your car-door analogy is ridiculous. Next!

      My car-door analogy is perfect and logical.

      And your other points are centered on your usage needs and budget, narcisistic delusion affecting design...perfect example of the faulty thinking that leads to bad tech desgin.

      Next!

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    9. Re:"get bluetooth" not a valid response by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Your car-door analogy is ridiculous. Next!

      My car-door analogy is perfect and logical.

      And your other points are centered on your usage needs and budget, narcisistic delusion affecting design...perfect example of the faulty thinking that leads to bad tech desgin.

      Next!

      I don't have a "use case" here, as I don't consider $160 reasonable to listen to tunes all day. I know that it isn't an unreasonable price, given other BT headsets, but it is past my personal price-point.

      But, being a Developer myself, I do recognize that the AirPods are a solid design, and are better than most in the category.

  48. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Better chargers fix all this stuff. Charging up to 1A is no problem, and the spec now allows much higher charge rates. As for placement issues, if you get a charger with a movable coil it will self-align, and other types can have aids to help alignment like magnets or multiple coils.

    For me Qi works really well, but then again I didn't buy the cheapest chargers off eBay either. I have Panasonic and LG chargers and they both work really well.

    For once I'm happy about something Apple might be doing, if it encourages more manufacturers to include Qi charging.

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  49. Nice one! by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Remove the charging port, then.

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  50. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really? you are too dumb to figure out in what situations having battery-powered headphones would be bad? here's one: I'm getting off the plane. I have a conference call with some people as I am getting into the rental car. I put on my headphones, and bam - they are not charged. I have to be at a client site in 40 minutes, and that's how long it takes to drive. I can

    1) make everyone on the call listen to car noise and sound unprofessional
    2) drive with one hand, meaning I will show up w/o having breakfast, and get a ticket
    3) be like you and work at mcdonalds. because I'd be a moron.

    and by the way, the chord going from my fucking pocket to my ears has caused Zero problems for the last 40 years.

  51. Re: Apple just does it right by DrXym · · Score: 1

    A suitable suggestion for people who enjoy spending a multiple more on a set of headphones, and charging those headphones, and having a little case or some other means to protect those headphones then yeah that's a great suggestion. Other people might wonder why a premium phone device couldn't expend perhaps $.20c to just have a headphone jack built into it. Like every other smart phone.

  52. Wireless by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

    The biggest issue I have with wireless charging is that with a wired cable you're limited to plugging your phone into a cable which is plugged into a wall socket about 1-2m away. With wireless charging you're limited to putting your phone into a dock which has a cable which is plugged into a wall socket about 1-2m away.

    As an added bonus, it charges much slower and costs about 12x more than a simple cable (even Lightning ones, provided you don't buy from Apple).

    Unless someone can come up with a way to make electricity flow through the air (yeah, I know, physics) or some way for you enable full surface wireless charging on existing tables then I'm not convinced this is going to go anywhere beyond "nice, but not entirely essential, to have".

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  53. Re:Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wouldn't even call it a whoosh. I would just call it "clearly cannot comprehend basic english." I am talking about you of course.

    please do the needful and explain to us how that was a whoosh.

  54. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cord.

  55. Re:Apple just does it right by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Chords may be annoying

    C Minor is.

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  56. 3D touch adds $5 to the cost? Totally justifies by sabbede · · Score: 1
    jacking up the retail price for that model by what, $300-$400, right? Retail launch price of a new iPhone is six or seven hundred bucks, and the one that costs $5 more to make is going to retail for $1000+. Totally reasonable, I know, but I also know there's at least one guy out there who thinks Apple should use the new component across the model line and just eat the $5 instead of pretending that this is the only time that there's "a significant redesign and the use of premium parts."

    Unless I totally misread the article.

  57. Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me apple days are over and this is because owner of this new company is not welcomed and his product no longer follow my way of thinking. Computers became a appliances and mobile sector product became almost useless and unhealthily. Good luck tim cook with your company.

  58. Re: Apple just does it right by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

    how can it be wireless when there is a cord involved...you know, the one plugged into the wall outlet that you trip over.

  59. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And in an hour you won't be rockin anymore when you gotta plug in that charger and wait to rock out again because the port is in use

  60. New iDock dongle-brick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, Apple removes all the ports from its upcoming iPhone 8, saying this move is 'revolutionary' and 'edgy' as they simultaneous release the iDock ($399.00 USD) which replaces all the previous ports with a convenient, ultra mobile, 18 pound brick. The iDock comes with a built in battery that will power through the most intense presentation or blockbuster movie for 23 minutes before needing to be recharged wirelessly for 18 hours.

  61. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

    Why such a feature is so important to you? It's not even true wireless charging, more like inductance charging (there IS a wire after all, just not in your phone)

    Also, there must be a loss of energy in the conversion, making "wireless" charging inefficient and more expensive than regular charging, but i can't prove this.

  62. Re:3D touch adds $5 to the cost? Totally justifies by b0bby · · Score: 1

    I did see another article which was outlining some of the other expected improvements, mostly a bezel-less OLED screen. The speculation was that they wanted to make the 10th anniversary release pretty impressive.

  63. That is utterly false by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Removing the headphone jack makes it a less convenient solution for listening to music in the car on long journeys via the aux

    Almost all cars sold for quite some time now have a USB port, why not play music through that? It's what I have done in my cars long before the iPhone 7.

    But if not, why not USE THE AUIDIO CABLE ADAPTOR shipping with every iPhone?

    If you say your car is 30 years old and you need an audio port and charging port at the same time use any one of a billion + four solutions now on the market that expands out the lightning jack into a charging port + audio jack.

    That's why the audio jack was always redundant, because you can get digital or analog audio from the lightning jack.

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    1. Re: That is utterly false by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      How do you charge your phone through the audio adapter?

  64. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just made up a problem that shouldn't exist. Why didn't you charge the headphones on the plane using your laptop? Why weren't they charged in the first place if you KNEW you had a meeting.

    Listen I am just as mad as everybody else about the rm -rf headphone jack debacle. But you people are creating problems that shouldn't exist if planned out correctly. I guess it's more about convenience. I get it.

  65. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The phone everyone wants is about the size and thickness of an iPhone 5.

    With current battery tech so it'll last a couple days or more between charging. I know, amazing right!

    Next we want an analogue headphone jack and headphones with wires. Removing the jack and replacing with those airpods things is solution looking for a problem that didnt exist or need solving.

    Wireless charging, sure, so long as I can also plug in a regular lightning USB cable and charge that way too.

    iOS, remove all the garbage added since about iOS6 that slows things down, and everything added in iOS10 - pressing the home button twice to unlock, seriously w.t.f.

  66. Re: Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    really? you are too dumb to figure out in what situations having battery-powered headphones would be bad? here's one: I'm getting off the plane. I have a conference call with some people as I am getting into the rental car. I put on my headphones, and bam - they are not charged. I have to be at a client site in 40 minutes, and that's how long it takes to drive. I can

    1) make everyone on the call listen to car noise and sound unprofessional 2) drive with one hand, meaning I will show up w/o having breakfast, and get a ticket 3) be like you and work at mcdonalds. because I'd be a moron.

    and by the way, the chord going from my fucking pocket to my ears has caused Zero problems for the last 40 years.

    If you weren't a moron, you would have made sure your headphones were charged when getting ready to deplane, or just stuffed the INCLUDED Lightning headset in your pocket/carry-on as a backup.

  67. Re: Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Then I can charge the bluetooth headphones while charging the Apple Phone while listening to music. Who woulda guessed life could be so grand!?!

    Oh my.that's what started the Bowling green massacre. Seriously dude, It's the wrong color for you, Steve Jobs is an asshole and your Chevvie can run circles around my Ford.

    If the 10 dollar set of headphones is the determinant factor, then but a Samsung phone and revel in your wise purchase.

    Exactly.

  68. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm do you know what a woosh is? A joke was made and someone replied to that joke thinking it was real. They started agreeing with the post like the OP was being serious. Hint: HE wasn't. He was joking.

  69. Re: Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    A suitable suggestion for people who enjoy spending a multiple more on a set of headphones, and charging those headphones, and having a little case or some other means to protect those headphones then yeah that's a great suggestion. Other people might wonder why a premium phone device couldn't expend perhaps $.20c to just have a headphone jack built into it. Like every other smart phone.

    Because if you want that 3.5 mm jack to be water-resistant, it doesn't cost "$.20c" (whatever that is).

    And it is like "MOST other smart phone(s)." Apple wasn't even first to lose the 3.5 mm jack.

  70. Re:Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Aren't they a little late to the wireless charging party?

    There are a lot of engineering disadvantages to wireless charging, actually. They are just bowing to market-pressure, IMHO.

  71. Re:Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    My wife's Samsung has had wireless charging for a couple years now. So has my Nexus 5. Several other Android phones as well.

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran". By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    At least I can be confident that Apple's implementation, unlike Qualcomm's horseshit, won't turn my phone into a grenade; by overheating the battery until it eventually shorts-out and does the hand-grenade thing...

  72. Re:Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    It doesn't bother me at all. Some whiners complain about not being able to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. Hell, I'm rocking my tunes and posting this from my new iPhone as we speak. I don't see what the b

    What bugs me is wireless charging. Presumably they will eliminate the lightning port entirely so instead of carrying a single USB chord with me that I can plug into any random USB socket to charge the phone, I now have to buy a $75 charging module to keep at work and another one to keep in my car. Chords may be annoying but they are not $150 annoying. Another gripe is that they want to eliminate physical buttons which I don't like. It was bad enough when Samsung did it ... accidental input anybody??? Finally, if Apple starts charging well in excess of $1000 for their phones, everybody else who has a phone worth buying will follow suit which gives me yet another disincentive to upgrade.

    Weren't certain configurations of the GN7 over a kilobuck?

  73. Re: Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    And in an hour you won't be rockin anymore when you gotta plug in that charger and wait to rock out again because the port is in use

    5 hours for AirPods (with a 15 minute charge to get another 3 hours), and some insane amount, like 99 hours, for some of the Beats W1-equipped headphones.

    But if you get the $2 BT earbuds at the checkout line at Walmart, YMMV.

  74. Re:Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran".

    But it will require an Apple branded charger, so it is "innovative".

    Wireless charging (when done right) is finicky-enough that I would WANT a "closed system".

  75. Re:Apple just does it right by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    My wife's Samsung has had wireless charging for a couple years now. So has my Nexus 5. Several other Android phones as well.

    Apple's not even "in the money" on this one - just an "also ran". By the way - how's that custom audio jack working out for you?

    There are plenty of reasons that wireless charging is a really bad and inferior technical solution. So if you like it - fine. Use it, But you're strutting around like you own the world. Would you like the explanation?

    Exactly.

  76. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    The Nexus 4 had QI wireless charging a few years ago but the Nexus 6 was the last Google phone to have it. I have refused to buy a Nexus 6P or Pixel due to the lack of wireless charging. If Apple introduces wireless charging they will, for the first time, be making a phone that I consider technically better than Google's offering. It would not be enough to get me to change to closed Apple eco system but may sway others. I note the linked articles make no indication of what wireless standard they will use. Given that QI is used by almost everyone I would hope that is the standard they will follow, but Apple, being Apple, will probably see the need to introduce a new incompatible standard. I hope I am wrong about that,

    I hope you're wrong. Fortunately, you probably are.

    Qi is horseshit of the first order. I really hope Apple doesn't adopt it.

  77. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I note the linked articles make no indication of what wireless standard they will use. Given that QI is used by almost everyone I would hope that is the standard they will follow, but Apple, being Apple, will probably see the need to introduce a new incompatible standard. I hope I am wrong about that,

    I've owned a number of Qi devices, and while I love wireless charging, Qi is too limited. Too slow, placement is too precise, distance is too small (even a thin case slowed charging). I'm using a USB-c Nexus now; less convenient but fast charging and a plug which doesn't just piss you off.

    I really hope that Apple goes with a far better charging system, something that gives you at least a few inches distance (better would be a few feet, maybe with beamforming?) and speed to match USB-c charging. If so, then other phones will get that too within a year and I'll be much happier.

    You people who have the Nikolai Tesla-inspired dreams of "wireless power" simply do not understand the Inverse-Square law. Look it up sometime, and you'll understand why "a few feet" for transmission of real POWER is very impractical.

  78. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    You are right about the placement. I have couple of nicer chargers that have multi coil designs and are angled so the phone naturally falls to good position. This works well, even thru a thick leather cover. Charging is slow but as I have charging pads scattered everywhere I never have a flat battery. That said the Type-C USB is a huge improvement. I have it on my laptop and think it is great step up from all other USB connectors.

    What kind of crap devices do you have that you have to have "charging pads scattered everywhere"?

  79. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some guy: use bluetooth. I don't see any possible problems with it
    Me: it's another thing to charge
    You: you're a moron. I've never taken a plane and don't realize there is only one usb port provided for your seat on a plane, but you're stupid. planes should have two. And you should use the wired headphones and carry 2 pairs at all times.

    you have problems with English, don't you. When people say "no problems with bluetooth" and you reply that problems with bluetooth can be solved by not using bluetooth... you're the moron.

  80. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by ukoda · · Score: 1

    My wife and I currently have the Nexus 6. Before that it was the Nexus 5 and before that the Nexus 4, my first QI device. What is wrong with having charging pads everywhere? They are cheap and almost every place I work/relax has one. Why not?

  81. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by ukoda · · Score: 1

    QI is usable but certainly could be improved a lot as with the cheaper chargers and a thick phone case you do need to put the phone down in the right spot +/- ~5mm. They really need an improved standard that is backwards compatible with the existing standard but is less critical to alignment and spacing. If Apple do go their own way it would be nice if they support such backwards compatibility with existing QI devices ,

  82. Re:Finally an iPhone that is better a Google phone by ukoda · · Score: 1

    Because it is a wireless device. Wireless voice communications. Wireless data communications. Plugging in a cable to charge is a PIA. Before USB Type-C there was a 50% change the cable was the wrong way up and in low light you can't see which was is correct. You have to make conscious effort to charge it. With wireless charging you never have to actually think about the need to charge, you put the phone down and when you pick it up it is ready to go. Since my first QI device, a Nexus 4, I have never had a flat battery on my phone.

    As for the efficiency who cares? It probably costs me an extra $10 a year in power, money well spend in book. Radio is inefficient too, transmitting watts of power to get microwatts at the other end but who cares, it works.

  83. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and if fish had fur they'd have lice. the problem of having a charged device run out of battery exists with bluetooth, and does not with wired. are you actually saying the problem doesn't exist because headphones should always stay charged? let me guess, you're some code-writing nerd who has nothing going on.

    in our world - the real one, shit with batteries runs out sometimes, keeping it charged is annoying, and keeping 2 things charged is twice as annoying. our entire day is not planned, since we live outside and not in your mom's basement.

    Met a cute girl at the starbucks, started a conversation. She was going jogging. I put off work in the morning, took the subway to my place and changed. Then her house, fucked her, then we went running, then subway back. my headphones and phone are now almost dead. I have to shower, change, and head out to the airport - I have about 15min, and shit on my mind. I guess I should have asked her for a usb charger when I walked in the door instead of taking her clothes off.

    Oh, I should have charged it from my laptop on the plane? So I plug in the Phone and the Headset to my laptop and run down the laptop battery. Gotcha. You know what I was doing? Sleeping, as soon as I plopped down into the seat. Tired from the sex and the jogging.

    You're a loser. I can't believe you just said the problem of things staying charged should not exist because you should plan ahead. Your life is one boring underpaid antisocial clownfest. Have you ever even been outside zitboy fatty-fat-fat?

    The solution is to just use the remaining port for wired headphones. The guy I am replying to though is not saying that, which is why I enjoy dissing him so much, as well as you.

    No problem should exist if steps were taken for it not to exist. Like if your dad gave your mom a rusty hanger, the average good looks of society would improve.

  84. car analogy way more apt than you knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About two years ago my folks bought a new, basic model Ford Focus ... and found that it is impossible to open the passenger door from outside of the car. It turns out that Ford designers removed the key lock from the passenger door because they assumed that everybody would purchase the extra cost keyless entry package despite not including it with every model.

    At least Ford didn't have the hubris to claim they were courageous for removing the ability to open the damn car door.

    1. Re:car analogy way more apt than you knew by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      found that it is impossible to open the passenger door from outside of the car. It turns out that Ford designers removed the key lock from the passenger door

      wow...

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  85. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found the 1 woman on this site. Wireless headphones needing to be charged is not a problem with wireless headphones, because you should be using wired headphones.

    Let me guess - you got a bike in the back of your soccer-mom SUV?

  86. Courage is Contagious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure this bold move by Apple will get the other phone manufacturers to jump on board with wireless charging.

    Apple is such an innovator.

    (I know it's getting hard to tell in this day and age, so let me be clear that the above was a sarcastic comment meant to highlight the fact that Apple ceased being an industry leader many years ago).

  87. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    really? you are too dumb to figure out in what situations having battery-powered headphones would be bad? here's one: I'm getting off the plane. I have a conference call with some people as I am getting into the rental car. I put on my headphones, and bam - they are not charged. I have to be at a client site in 40 minutes, and that's how long it takes to drive. I can

    1) make everyone on the call listen to car noise and sound unprofessional 2) drive with one hand, meaning I will show up w/o having breakfast, and get a ticket 3) be like you and work at mcdonalds. because I'd be a moron.

    What a precious, special, and fragile snowflake you are.

    1. If you are not able to charge your devices, and know what state of charge they are in, you have no business calling me a moron.

    2. If I knew that you were so disorganized and incapable of keeping your needed equipment ready, well than I suspect that you would be pretty unprepared for the presentation as well. Unpreparedness is not a thing that manifests itself in only one area.

    and by the way, the chord going from my fucking pocket to my ears has caused Zero problems for the last 40 years.

    You must have the oldest smartphone ever made, in 1977!

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  88. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    and if fish had fur they'd have lice. the problem of having a charged device run out of battery exists with bluetooth, and does not with wired.

    If you cannot keep your Bluetooth headset charged, you'll probably forget to charge your laptop or your phone as well.They also have batteries. So many problems for you, Precious Snowflake!

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  89. Re: Apple just does it right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Some guy: use bluetooth. I don't see any possible problems with it Me: it's another thing to charge You: you're a moron. I've never taken a plane and don't realize there is only one usb port provided for your seat on a plane, but you're stupid. planes should have two. And you should use the wired headphones and carry 2 pairs at all times.

    you have problems with English, don't you. When people say "no problems with bluetooth" and you reply that problems with bluetooth can be solved by not using bluetooth... you're the moron.

    There's an old saying - when you are in a hole, the first thing is to quit digging. You just keep coming up with more Precious snowflake reasons.

    Protip 1: have all of your shit charged before you get on the airplane.

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  90. Re: Apple just does it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know that the phone come with a plug for 3.5mm to your mini lightening port thereby negating your stupid whining

  91. Re:3D touch adds $5 to the cost? Totally justifies by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Nothing impresses like expense I suppose.