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T-Mobile Responds To Verizon By Improving Its Own Unlimited Data Plan (theverge.com)

It didn't take long for T-Mobile to respond to Verizon's recently announced unlimited data plans. T-Mobile's CEO John Legere announced two improvements to the carrier's T-Mobile One unlimited plan that both take effect this Friday, reports The Verge. "Beginning February 17th, the plan will include HD video, an upgrade to the 480p/DVD-quality 'optimizations' that are currently in place." From the report: The other change Legere announced is related to the hotspot feature of T-Mobile One, which lets you share your smartphone's data connection with other devices. As of Friday, the plan will let customers use up to 10GB of high-speed data each month for tethering. That matches Verizon's plan, which also allows for 10GB of LTE tethering. But again, prior to today, T-Mobile One only allowed 3G hotspot speeds unless you paid extra for the T-Mobile One Plus plan. Lastly, Legere announced a promotion that will offer two lines of T-Mobile One for $100. A two-line family plan usually costs $120 per month. Unlike other carriers, T-Mobile includes taxes and fees in its advertised price -- so that should be all you pay month to month. Verizon charges $140 (plus taxes and fees) for a two-line unlimited plan. Assuming there's no sneaky fine print or trickery here, T-Mobile has at least for now regained its feature-for-feature price advantage compared against Verizon Unlimited. The company also has a higher threshold (28GB versus Verizon's 22GB) before its users might experience reduced speeds when the network is congested. In a long series of tweets, John Legere announced the new improvements/promo and took several jabs at Big Red. In one tweet, Legere wrote: "... And we all know no one was falling for [Verizon's] 'you don't need unlimited' bullshit. Hey @verizon - your ads are still up..."

48 comments

  1. Competition by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    THAT'S how it is suppose to work! Competition helps to spur better products.

    1. Re:Competition by BeauHD · · Score: 2

      I agree 100%. It's great to see both companies take jabs at each other!

    2. Re:Competition by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It does, but it seems annoying that all the BS about network reliability and fairness being behind cellular caps and throttling is so obviously dishonest when they expand their plan so quickly just to match a marketing trend.

      If they had that much spare capacity to handle HD video and more data before, why did they wait to for Verizon before announcing it?

      It's hard not to think they're all completely dishonest, the entire network except for a couple dozen towers is running at 20% utilization and they could jack caps to hundreds of gigs a month with no ill effects.

    3. Re:Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because then the people on those "couple dozen towers" who were running at capacity before the cap raise would scream bloody murder that they're not getting their paid for bandwidth.

    4. Re:Competition by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested to know if HD video is merely unthrottled, or throttled to, say, 5Mbps (that's above VUDU's recommended amount of bandwidth for 1080P.) If the latter, then they're being consistent.

      The video thing was real, the problem was caused by the fact dynamic bandwidth video streaming protocols are inherently greedy, insisting on trying to grab as much data as possible. I've worked at companies that run live video events, where the internal network's connection to the outside world has been clogged because too many people are trying to stream the same 720P video at once. At that point, it's not just those trying to watch the video that have problems, it's people just browsing the web and using other low bandwidth applications.

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    5. Re:Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THAT'S how it is suppose to work!
      Competition helps to spur better products.

      God, that makes me cringe. You sound like my wife.

  2. Hotspot Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hotspot Plans are what I'd like improved at T-Mobile. My mother is stuck with using one for her internet, as AT&T hasn't extended the range of DSL another half mile in the last two decades. Hmm, I wonder if the update will indirectly affect her plan with the video changes... They may need to be careful there since if people are using a hotspot for home internet, the hd video could blow past any sane limit.

    1. Re:Hotspot Plans by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK bingeon is still available.

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    2. Re:Hotspot Plans by mmell · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, they said they're doubling the hotspot cap from 5GB to 10GB.

      I only bumped my head on the 5GB limit once - root the phone, edit one text file and *poof* - no more hotspot cap (not perfect, as they were able to detect and block traffic from my desktop web browser, but the useragent plugin for Chrome fixed that). Rooting my phone broke Google Pay, but that's turned out to be a pretty sterile tool anyhow. I haven't rooted my phone since I bought a Nexus 5, and won't unless I bump my head on the new cap some day.

    3. Re:Hotspot Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they said they're doubling the hotspot cap from 5GB to 10GB.

      They have dedicated hotspot plans. I believe it is $15 for every additional 4GB or something like that.

    4. Re:Hotspot Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a 30 GB game download would only cost me $120 to download and $100 to buy? What a bargain!

  3. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until the inevitable when they realize that working together is more profitable for all concerned things will go right back to normal yet again. Nothing to see here folks... it's all the same dog and pony show...

    1. Re:Don't worry by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      And that's why you need at least 3 competitors in a market to stop this behavior.

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    2. Re: Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which will form a triad. We won't be able to stop this, as it's under the table and non official policy. Competing costs money and collusion is much more profitable. Just have to keep it under wraps because of government over reach and anti business anti collusion laws.... But they are making major strides on that front since January.

    3. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is illegal and pretty obvious after a certain point and is usually smacked down. They would have cut in several other entities (read: bribe) which would pretty much negate what they would gain.

    4. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will just collude-yet-not-by-legal-definitions-of-collusion anyway. Three makes it easy to crush any pesky newbies from joining the market through strong arm tactics that also border on the definition of legality. But it's OK because these three will tell us it's OK, and we will believe it hook, line, sinker, pole and the fisher's arm!

      captcha: perhaps

  4. Something wrong with this picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our news comes from tweets now? Did I blink?

    1. Re:Something wrong with this picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, tweets are the modern equivalent of the .plan file.

      You're behind the times and you're being left behind.

    2. Re:Something wrong with this picture by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      If CEOs and companies make public announcements on Twitter, then the answer is obviously yes.

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  5. ATT Loses BIG TIME! by BoRegardless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I went over my ATT data limit & they throttled my data. So I visited their store last week and then upped my data allowed.

    But I am still throttled most of the time on both cellphone and hotspot. Takes a long time to get a connection. Sometimes takes a minute to get something starting to load (looking at Mac's Activity Monitor.) Very often I'm limited to 20-40 KB/sec. ATT guys don't have an answer. Time to move to TMobile.

    1. Re:ATT Loses BIG TIME! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      You could always get directv and then get unlimited data.
      Or go with t-mobile, verizon or sprint without having to have an extra service.

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    2. Re:ATT Loses BIG TIME! by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Got unlimited now and it is an unlimited "hold" on when I ever get above 40 KB/sec.

    3. Re:ATT Loses BIG TIME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i moved to t-mobile from AT&T a year ago. best decision ever. while there is some fine print, T-mobile has NEVER messed with my connection even over 30gb a month. LTE to my laptop is amazing, service (while AT&T does have more coverage) is getting better every day.

      I also travel the world with T-mobile sim and most of the time it's 3g speeds, all unlimited, free.

    4. Re:ATT Loses BIG TIME! by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile is much better now. With their new spectrum, they have excellent LTE coverage.

      Just make sure that your phone supports LTE band 12, as that is their primary 4G spectrum. Newer phones should be fine, but the cutoff is around 2013/2014 for widespread support. E.g., the iPhone 5C doesn't have it.

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  6. Yep. 2G WAP to LTE by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Yep, this is good to see.

    I've been on Boost for a many years, so I haven't dealt with the high prices, poor customer service, and questionable billing practices that people complain about with the major carriers. I do remember, though, that when I left Sprint, it was because there prices were too high for the four MEGABYTES I went over. 28 GIGABYTES is more than a thousand times as much data as they offered when I last used a major carrier. The speed is 100X times faster than it was a few years ago.

    The complaints about billing practices probably have merit, but I see that they've upgraded their networks to provide a thousand times as much data, a hundred times as fast, I don't quite relate to the whining I hear about speeds and data thresholds.

    1. Re:Yep. 2G WAP to LTE by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I've been on Boost for a many years, so I haven't dealt with the high prices, poor customer service,

      Boost Mobile has the worst customer service I have ever experienced. Not even close to T-Mobile when it is bad, or even Comcast. I could never get through on their customer support number, and this was a well-known enough problem that people were posting the secret codes so customers could get through as if they were sales reps. That's the only way to talk to them.

  7. Re:Good Trump!! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    Didn't canada close their borders to the US after 9/11?

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  8. where's the 'feature' and "wifi only" data plans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure you give unlimited text and voice AND gobs of data for $40-50 per line..

    where's the unlimited text and voice, WITHOUT data and WITHOUT ridiculous 'data' requirements or 'smartphone' surcharges, for my old flippy phone for $15? or even better... $15 for unlimited text and voice on "smartphone" but no cellular data, wifi only. hell, i'd even take that for $20.. $25 if you didn't force a contract down my throat but still let me use whatever the fuck device i wanted.

  9. interesting. I've only needed to talk to them once by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That's interesting. Thinking about it now, I've only needed to call customer service once, and that was probably before Sprint bought them.

  10. Thank You Jacob Ajit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Thank You Jacob Ajit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anjgger

  11. Re:Customer Service by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I recently left MetroPCS because it is impossible to get to a customer service representative and they refused to do anything about a malfunctioning phone.

  12. NOT NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GUESS WHaT NONE OF THEM aRE UNLIMITED. WHY aRE U POSTING THIS CRaP.

    1. Re:NOT NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N!GGER N!GGER

  13. Re:Good Trump!! by mmell · · Score: 0
    I thought guys like you only watched FOX? Keep watching CNN and next thing you know, you'll be thinking for yourself!

    Of course, you won't hear about Michael Flynn resigning until the Trump White House figures out how to spin this to look like anything other than a massive "oops!" moment.

  14. Re:Good Trump!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for fun, I checked Fox News:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/13/stoddard-flynn-not-fired-more-powerful-vice-president-mike-pence-donald-trump (before)
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/13/trumps-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn-resigns.html (during)
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/14/michael-flynns-letter-resignation-as-national-security-adviser.html (during)

    Seems like it's you who needs to start thinking for yourself and realize you've been reading/watching Fake News ;)

  15. Can I get some of whatever you're smoking? by mmell · · Score: 2
    So, how'd FOX spin this one. A response to the Bowling Green Massacre? Perhaps a response to those three million illegal immigrants that fraudulently voted? Muslim rape gangs roaming Europe's streets unopposed?

    I could come up with more, but really - online, I can't watch your head asplode.

  16. why by originalGMC · · Score: 1

    is this garbage on /.

    1. Re:why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ni/.gger ni/.gger ni/.gger ni/.gger

  17. Re: Good Trump!! by mmell · · Score: 1

    "Just for fun" - yeah, I wouldn't take Fox News too seriously either!

  18. Re: where's the 'feature' and "wifi only" data pla by maggard · · Score: 1

    T-Mobile hasn't had service contracts for years. T-Mobile also has a prepaid plan (no credit check) with unlimited domestic talk and text for, hey look at that! $25 + tax / 30 days. Perfect for your feature phone. You'll need your account number and password/pin to switch your service to T-Mobile.

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  19. T-Mobile's speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a shameless plug for T-Mobile, a happy customer of whom I have been for a while now. A few weeks ago, I measured over 50 Mbps downstream, 30 upstream, in San Francisco. A few days ago, I got 70 and 50 in Chicago. Even in my place, in Northern Colorado, I routinely get 25+ and 15+.

  20. A gamble worth taking? by Tax+Boy · · Score: 1

    Right now we have 2 lines on t-mobile under the old plan ($80 for 2 lines, 2 gig data each). including tax that's $89.

    If we switch to the new plan, it's on sale for $100, including fees. AND t-mobile does a buy-back of $10 if you stay under 2 gig. We rarely go over 2 gig/line.

    So at worst, it's $10 more/month. At best, it's $80, including fees. Which saves us $10.

    (of course, under the old plan, most of the music streaming apps didn't count towards the data)

    Worth switching?

    1. Re:A gamble worth taking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you're actually using the data, or expect you'll learn to use it more if you had more (like watching youtube vids or listening to podcasts from your phone while you're away from a WiFi network you have (legal) access to). If you wouldn't use it, don't pay just to throw money away.

  21. Fine Print by silvergeek · · Score: 1

    T-mobile's "free" audio and video streaming for many apps sounds great, but you still have to pay for the data if you are using a partner tower. Actually, that might not even be in the fine print, but that's the way it works in my tests, and T-mobile support confirmed.

  22. Re:where's the 'feature' and "wifi only" data plan by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    You'll be looking at MVNOs rather than major carriers. These companies resell access that they acquired at wholesale rates. In the US wireless market, the budget options are entirely via MVNOs rather than the major carriers.

    MetroPCS is $30 (includes all fees) for unlimited voice/text and a small amount of data.

    I believe only Total Wireless has a $25 talk/text offering, and they are a TracFone/Walmart joint venture---a very budget-focused endeavor. They have not been around long enough to have a meaningful track record.

    It's hard to find anyone who offers unlimited talk/text without any data. There are, quite frankly, too few phones that have such basic functionality. You might as well ask why no one sells buggy whips anymore.

    If you are willing to accept reasonably cheap service with caps on minutes/texts, then you have a variety of options---Ting, Straight Talk, Virgin Mobile, TracPhone, etc.

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