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Juno Jupiter Probe Won't Move Into Shorter Orbit After All (space.com)

NASA announced today that their Juno spacecraft will not move into a closer orbit around Jupiter as originally planned. "Juno slipped into a highly elliptical, 53-Earth-day-long orbit around Jupiter when it arrived at the giant planet on July 4, 2016," reports Space.com. From their report: The probe was supposed to perform an engine burn in October to reduce its orbital period to 14 days, but an issue with two helium valves postponed that maneuver. The engine burn has now been canceled, meaning Juno will stay where it is through the end of its mission. "During a thorough review, we looked at multiple scenarios that would place Juno in a shorter-period orbit, but there was concern that another main engine burn could result in a less-than-desirable orbit," Rick Nybakken, Juno project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, said in a statement. "The bottom line is, a burn represented a risk to completion of Juno's science objectives." But Juno should still be able to accomplish its mission goals in the longer orbit, NASA officials said. In fact, the 53-day path will allow the probe to perform some "bonus science" in the outer regions of Jupiter's magnetosphere, they added.

58 comments

  1. Good idea for now by backslashdot · · Score: 2

    I hope they didn't permanent cancel it. Once the science objectives are completed, they should attempt this maneuver. Juno doesn't have a good imager, so closer the better. Would have been nice to get some 3D close ups of the clouds.

    1. Re:Good idea for now by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Once the science objectives are completed, they should attempt this maneuver.

      They should attempt an engine burn near the end to try to understand what went wrong to prevent it on another mission. I'm sure they'll orbit and observe until too many instruments or stabilizers fail, but near the edge of usefulness they should probably do engine burn tests.

    2. Re:Good idea for now by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The plan is to crash Juno into Jupiter at the end of the mission, so we will get some nice close-up imagery at the end. This will require a manoeuver to change the orbit. The telemetry from the de-orbit burn may provide some useful information about the valves. The reason to de-orbit Juno into the planet is to be sure the probe does not contaminate any of the Jovian moons at some point in the future. After all, we do not want to (eventually) go to Europa and find e. coli spreading from the crash site.

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    3. Re:Good idea for now by AC-x · · Score: 1

      The planned end of mission is to crash it in to Jupiter to avoid any possibility of contaminating Europa. If there's any chance this maneuver would cause them to lose control and not be able to deorbit they probably won't attempt it.

    4. Re:Good idea for now by syntotic · · Score: 1

      Helium sabotaged? But you do not **believe** the schizophrenic communal insect is connected and permanently clamped on NO. If they hear (anyone thought) of it (at all), they will want it disabled because: **it is speaking**.

  2. obligs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Attempt no landings on Europa.

    It's Manna time! Gimme mah Basic Incomes and a free Burger, G.

    Better and Better!

  3. So, was Obama born in Kenya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that it doesn't matter anymore, did this question get settled yet? It's too bad Hillary started this rumor, if it's not true...

    1. Re:So, was Obama born in Kenya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Obama is a Muslim from Kenya.

    2. Re:So, was Obama born in Kenya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama is Motswana from Botswana.

    3. Re: So, was Obama born in Kenya? by mmell · · Score: 1

      Hey, where was DJT born? And for bonus points . . . prove it.

    4. Re: So, was Obama born in Kenya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trumpland

    5. Re: So, was Obama born in Kenya? by emaname · · Score: 1

      Maybe Henry Louis Gates, Jr will get Trump to be on an episode of "Finding Your Roots." That would be interesting.

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  4. Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Voyagers and the like did way better in 1977.

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    1. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the Voyagers did a great job of getting into low orbit of Jupiter. The images of Saturn and beyond were filmed on a sound stage on the far side of the Moon.

    2. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The probes these days do orders of magnitude more science per mission than the Voyagers ever did. And they do it at a much finer grained quality as well.

    3. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know your post will get a lot of hate, but there's truth to it: Voyager 1 still took the most impressive close-up photographs of Jupiter. Shit like this http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/im...
      And the images Voyager took of Saturn are pretty epic, too: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/ga...

      In their shortsightedness, they will say these aren't of great scientific value. A more sophisticated mind understands that the scientific importance of these images was enormous, because it inspire hundreds, if not thousands, to do science as their calling.

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    4. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by blind+biker · · Score: 0

      The probes these days do orders of magnitude more science per mission than the Voyagers ever did. And they do it at a much finer grained quality as well.

      Yep, this is the kind of banal reply I predicted the GP would get. Don't you think everybody and their dogs already know what you wrote?

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    5. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by AC-x · · Score: 1

      Voyager 1 still took the most impressive close-up photographs of Jupiter

      What about the Cassini photos? It took amazing images of Jupiter and Saturn.

      In their shortsightedness, they will say these aren't of great scientific value. A more sophisticated mind understands that the scientific importance of these images was enormous, because it inspire hundreds, if not thousands, to do science as their calling.

      Ahem, NASA put a visible light camera on Juno specifically for "public science and outreach and to increase public engagement".

    6. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      You call my reply "banal" and then add fuck all to the discussion. Did you just want to feel important by putting someone down or are you just an every day idiot?

    7. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      That is an exaggeration. In the few hours of closest approach, they made some nice images. But Junocam's images are comparable.
      Juno will be able to study Jupiter in much more detail than the Voyagers ever could achieve in their brief flyby.

      The Voyagers are still listed as working, but they had their issues. Voyager 2's scan platform seized during the Saturn flyby, causing a loss of some of the planned observations.

    8. Re:Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymore by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      this is the kind of banal reply I predicted the GP would get. Don't you think everybody and their dogs already know what you wrote?

      Shooting an anti-science ignoramus like hcs_$reboot in the arse is generally a positive contribution - to humanity in general and Slashdot in particular. Unlike your utterly useless comment.

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  5. Re: Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more a question of 2017 accounting. If the project plan calls for 100 experiments, the spacecraft is designed for 100 experiments not 101.

    Of course, the spacecraft doesn't explode immediately when it's done the mission, but it runs of fuel, things start to break down, etc. So, often, it's time to crash it for one last chance to get something out of it.

    But I think it's too bad. Maybe 10% more money could get 100% more science...

  6. After All What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finish what you started!

    Phase 1 - DEPORT
    Phase 2 - ?
    Phase 3 - End Mankind

  7. Typical NASA thinking . . . by mmell · · Score: 2
    Never mind "how do we get back on the original mission?", It's all about "how do we get the best results from where we are now?"

    I'll bet that kind of thinking is what got the Apollo 13 astronauts back to Earth alive. Doing more science instead of less is just a bonus.

  8. Re: Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymor by mmell · · Score: 1

    But it was on the far side of the Moon, right?

  9. As opposed to a great American . . . by mmell · · Score: 1

    Like Werner Von Braun?

    1. Re:As opposed to a great American . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler could have been American if only he had kept his skills up.

    2. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, you think German universities that gave rise to modern science are comparable to jungle village scam schools of a shitty india where these parasites leech on H1B loopholes? Sucking monkey cocks much, aren't you?

    3. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by mmell · · Score: 2

      Well, by today's standards, yes. We were great until January 2017. . . then, we seem to have lost it.

    4. Re:As opposed to a great American . . . by quonset · · Score: 0

      Like Werner Von Braun?

      Obligatory XKCD

    5. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's all as promised just that the hats got the spelling of "grate" wrong after Trump said it.
      He's managed to piss off everyone except Russia already, so it's definitely grating on people.

    6. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      Because Obama was such a great peace loving man...oh wait a tick, he bombed the countries that Trump banned, killing thousands in the process, but of course the press didn't say shit about that. I guess murdering them is okay, its only banning them that is racist...maybe Trump should follow Obama's example then and start letting loose the drones?

      Hey maybe if he racks up as big a body count as Obama he can get a peace prize too!

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    7. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by mmell · · Score: 0
      So . . . Trump is little better than Obama Lite? Good to know. That explains the skin color, at least.

      "Barak got to do it. Why can't I?". Donny, are you sure Barak is allowed to do that? You know how your parents feel about you lying. And tell me - if Barak jumped off a cliff, would you?

    8. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we have an article on a space probe malfunction and you have to bring up Trump. WTF does he have to do with this. Can't I read one Goddamn article here without some asshat bringing up Trump?

    9. Re: As opposed to a great American . . . by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Wow way to miss the point and the blatant hypocrisy because it doesn't fit your narrative, there is really only one response to that.

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  10. Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come by mmell · · Score: 2

    That's not my department, says Werner Von Braun!

  11. Is that the best you can do? by mmell · · Score: 1

    Wow! I thought a bottle of Irish whiskey made me stupid. What's your excuse?

  12. Yeah, okay . . . by mmell · · Score: 1

    I left myself wide open for that one . . . ;^D

  13. Don't temp them! by mmell · · Score: 1

    These morons are just aching to bring about the so-called "end times". They're the reason MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) is no longer a viable nuclear arms control strategy.

  14. birth certificate to Bill Maher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Maher offered to donate money to charity if Trump showed his birth certificate. Trump did, and Bill Maher did not pay up. As for a forged birth certificate for the average person, I bet that could be done by a decent spy agency. Obama wrote some book in the 90s, and the promo touted him as a Kenyan born.

  15. Von Braun had work experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Werner Von Braun is the type of person H-1b was intended for. von Braun also had over 1 decade of work experience under the most advanced rocket group at the time.

  16. Does this mean more fuel for thrusters? by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    So if they aren't going to be using the main engine for a major trajectory shift, does this mean that more fuel is available for the thrusters?

    In my long (non) professional career of following of various space programs, it always seems that the limiting factors to a mission is 1) the availability of fuel for the thrusters (for minor course corrections, attitude control/dumping of momentum) and 2) how many reaction wheels are still working (although there have been creative solutions such as using sunlight pressure for attitude control). If Juno's thrusters same the same fuel (and fuel tank!) as the main engine then perhaps it now has access to a much larger supply and can conceivably last a long long time. :)

    Of course, Juno's limiting factor WAS the intense radiation it was going to have to have faced but perhaps the new orbit has reduced that substantially. In fact, if there IS a lot more fuel available, perhaps it can use the fuel (once the primary mission is over) to get it out of the high radiation regions (perhaps by some creative gravity assists from the Galilean moons) and perform a multi-year "tour" of the Jovian system. This would possibly make up for the scientific tragedy that befell the Galileo probe when its high gain antennae didn't open and the data rate dropped by (three? more?) orders of magnitude. It'd be fantastic to get some really good pictures of Europa (life!) and Io (volcanoes!).

    Or just put it in a relatively distant parking orbit around Jupiter and (because it's solar powered) let it monitor the Jovian system for (hopefully) decades

    1. Re:Does this mean more fuel for thrusters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The life limit for Juno is radiation. You need to drive it into Jupiter before the flight computer fails. There will be NO chance for a moon tour, because Juno didn't follow the very stringent planetary protection process you'd need if you were going to Europa. That's why it's being destroyed, rather than "run til it falls apart" - they don't want to crash into Europa and contaminate it.

    2. Re: Does this mean more fuel for thrusters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      gotta respect the Prime Directive...

    3. Re: Does this mean more fuel for thrusters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Roddenberry threw it out the window whenever convenient.

    4. Re:Does this mean more fuel for thrusters? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      So if they aren't going to be using the main engine for a major trajectory shift, does this mean that more fuel is available for the thrusters?

      Maybe, maybe not ; for a number of possible reasons.

      (1) Do the main and attitude drive systems use the same fuels? For the large number of anticipated firings for the attitude thrusters, you'd maybe go for reliably hypergolic fuel/ oxidiser couples (i.e., on contact, they ignite). But for the main engine with only a handful of planned firings you might choose a monoprop with electrical ignition. That question is readily amenable to research.

      (2) Is there a cross-feed system from main thruster fuel tanks and pressurisation to attitude thruster fuel tanks and pressurisation? Or, to rephrase the same question - is there a mission-critical need for such a cross-feed? Because if the system isn't absolutely essential, it would have not been designed. Remember that every valve (not "most" but "every") and every joint in a pressurised fluid system is a potential leak point. Again, if you find the plumbing design drawings, it's the work of moments.

      It'd be fantastic to get some really good pictures of Europa (life!)

      Any life on Europa which isn't considerably more technologically advanced than ours is going to be on the underside of 30-50km of ice. Now, ice pictures can be pretty, but it's a monomineralic rock with a coarse grain due to regular resublimation and/ or refreezing. Even under crossed polars and thick sections, "dull" is going to come to mind. (OK - I've probably done a few hundred thousand rock descriptions more than you. I've a higher "dull" threshold than most people for rocks. But "dull" will come.

      and Io (volcanoes!).

      Now you're tempting me. But not strongly enough.

      Or just put it in a relatively distant parking orbit around Jupiter and (because it's solar powered) let it monitor the Jovian system for (hopefully) decades

      Nowhere near enough. Decades isn't remotely good enough. When we're talking about (potentially) wiping out the only other origin of life in the universe from our own ... I'd put the "you fuck with not" time scale at several times the duration of our genus. Ten million years is a reasonable round number to start upwards from.

      NASA would seem to agree with me - hence the dive into Jupiter.

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  17. That didn't take long by dbIII · · Score: 1, Informative

    He's managed to piss off everyone except Russia already

    I should have checked the breaking news first, Russia is now on that list after a spectacularly pointless bit of dick waving by Pence. Russia is going to be held to account for ... what exactly? Did Pence lose his notes?

  18. Re:Once the rockets go up, who cares where they co by emaname · · Score: 1

    That's not my department, says Werner Von Braun!

    Wow! An homage to Tom Lehrer's album "That Was the Year That Was." One of my all-time favorite albums even to today. Intelligent, accurate, and entertaining. Some of the most artfully done political and social satire EVER.

    Thank you for making my day.

    If only he were around now to do something about Trump.

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  19. Re:Once the rockets go up, who cares where they co by PPH · · Score: 1

    If only he were around now

    He's not dead. He just gave up political satire after Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize.

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  20. Re:Once the rockets go up, who cares where they co by emaname · · Score: 1

    If only he were around now

    He's not dead. He just gave up political satire after Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Oh yeah. That probably really discouraged him. Thanks for the follow-up.

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  21. Re:Once the rockets go up, who cares where they co by mmell · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, at the rate we're going the next selection is likely to be "We'll all go together when we go".

  22. Q. HOWTO Read a Slashdot Article? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    A. You read it out loud, with an accent Improvise the rest.

    "Juno, Jupiter Probe won't come closer, after all."

    Then read the proper translation: "You know, Jupiter probe won't come closer, after all. Bastards!

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  23. Re: Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems kind of silly to insist Voyager is objectively better because it inspired people, as if a copy of Juno in the 70s would have not. People around here like to insist that some minor difference in the technology of space probe images would have made drastic difference in the inspiration ability of the resulting images. The impact of the images have more to do with the times they are published and novelty, than say a wide angle lens at 70,000 km vs narrow angle at 350,000 km, or filter wheel vs. consumer color cameras as argued in another recent comment thread.

  24. Shut up, nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have real scientists and engineers working on this, they do not require, need or want any input from a bunch of basement dwelling geeks with no real understanding of science. :)

  25. Re: Too bad we don't have 1977 technologies anymor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No way close to accurate. Galileo took much better images of Jupiter despite the jamming of the antennae. And cassini without a doubt has taken images of Saturn and all it's moons so much better than Voyager it is not even plausible that the opposite is true.

    Voyager was amazing, but it was only a flyby mission lucky enough to enjoy a once in a lifetime alignment of all the outer planets.