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The Death of the Click (axios.com)

Sara Fischer, writing for Axios: For the past 10 years, we've operated on the premise that the most important digital metric is the click that refers a person to a website. That click usually comes from a social distribution channel, like Facebook or Twitter, or a search engine, like Google or Bing. But according to industry experts, the click referral is becoming an idea of the past, soon to be replaced by content exposure. [...] Most publishers have designed their websites to measure user interaction through clicks, not scroll rates or time spent on stories. As the industry moves away from click-through rates (CTR's) as the most meaningful marketing metric, those publishers will have a difficult time justifying the effectiveness of their platforms for marketers.

129 comments

  1. CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ads serve many purposes, not just to get eyes on a particular website. Go look at the printed newspaper models. Those are a lot better and give you better metrics.

    1. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While these new metrics might make more sense than measuring clickthroughs, I still don't see how this will achieve the objective. Time spent on a page or how deeply I scroll down an article is no indication of how likely that corporation is to separate me from some of my money.

      I think TV has been advancing toward this point for a long time, but the Internet is overtaking it quickly -

      The core problem is that there's just way too much low quality content out there. There's an avalanche of TV channels, websites, blogs, zines, etc - a mountain of content for every eyeball walking the earth and more. But 99.99% of the content is nothing that anyone would actually pay money for.

      Clickthroughs allowed temporarily the parasitic existence of clickbait sites and fake news sites ad infinitum.

      But we are getting to the point where people realize that there are about 5 TV channels they ever really want to watch, and about 5 websites they would care if they had to live without, and even fewer that they want to pay for.

      The problem is not the metrics. You're going to get what you measure.

      The problem is really that nobody is making anything that the general public thinks is worth paying for.

    2. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Clicks are often bogus thanks to incompetent web designers who don't pre-allocate real estate, thus causing pages - and clickpoints - to bounce up and down madly as content arrives. And, incidentally, making it harder to read the primary content.

      Auto-playing audio/video metrics are even worse. I'll often close a page immediately if something starts making unsolicited noises and in many cases will never return to the site again, much less the article in question. But chances are that the offending content has already logged as "seen" thanks to buffering. I didn't see, if, I fled from it, and the fact that it was delivered to me unwanted doesn't make me a biuyer.

    3. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Time spent on a page or how deeply I scroll down an article is no indication of how likely that corporation is to separate me from some of my money.

      I think the advertisers would disagree with you on that. A big goal of advertising is simple brand-recognition. The longer they can keep their brand in front of your eyes, the better. I believe that they believe this works.

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    4. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, for video trackers get fired at certain time intervals.

    5. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some may believe it's unbelievable. But, I believe you believe that.

    6. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except past a certain point, it becomes over exposure to the point of the brain just filtering out the brand advertisement as noise. The target then is never even consciously aware that the brand even had an ad there to begin with.

      If they try to bypass this with things like audio or flashy graphics, then it crosses the threshold into annoyance status. In which case the target is irritated by the brand, and actively or passively avoid it. (Actively by muting the audio, or moving their eyes away from the ad. Passively by choosing a competitor when the brand name comes up later. A.k.a. A choice between /cola type 1/ one fast food joint and /cola type 2/ at another, neither is being promoted directly, but the irritated target may subconsciously choose the fast food joint that has the competitor just because they want to avoid the brand that irritated them.)

      There is such a thing as over-advertising a brand, and yes it has negative consequences if you do so.

    7. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Clicks are often bogus thanks to incompetent web designers who don't pre-allocate real estate, thus causing pages - and clickpoints - to bounce up and down madly as content arrives. And, incidentally, making it harder to read the primary content.

      A few times I had to turn off my ad blocking and script blocking, I was shocked at just how awful most people have it. Got to the site, started loading, saw what I wanted, then BOOM! it disappears! Scroll around to find it again, and its like playing cat and mouse. So unless I really really really need it, screw it.

      The present day web has become unusable without some serious blocking.

      Auto-playing audio/video metrics are even worse. I'll often close a page immediately if something starts making unsolicited noises and in many cases will never return to the site again, much less the article in question. But chances are that the offending content has already logged as "seen" thanks to buffering. I didn't see, if, I fled from it, and the fact that it was delivered to me unwanted doesn't make me a biuyer.

      Exactly. Newsletter popups, that metric you described, all bad, all either ignored, or telling me which product I will avoid. And I have no doubt that the ad industry lies to their customers, giving them a false idea of how many people are seeing or bypassing the ads.

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    8. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they don't maje more sense. Pages can stay open or closed for as wide a multitude of reasons as clicks can be accidental or random. Neither is reliable. How about actually offering compelling products or services instead of trying to manipulate people (which usually fails, btw)?

    9. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And soon enough you too can be a belieber!

    10. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      [the advert] crosses the threshold into annoyance status. In which case the target is irritated by the brand, and actively or passively avoid it.

      Agreed.

      Some brands I avoid (in the UK) because of annoying ads - Karcher (pressure washing kit), Quality Street (chocolates), Microsoft (lots of other reasons to avoid them too), GoCompare (insurance), Blackthorn (cider).

      Knowing how expensive advertising is, if a brand is heavily advertised I know that less money is going on the quality of the product itself.

    11. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by packrat0x · · Score: 1

      Knowing how expensive advertising is, if a brand is heavily advertised I know that less money is going on the quality of the product itself.

      Or: "Nobody will buy this stuff [at our price point] unless we advertise."

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    12. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      ^^^^ This is it exactly. But in my case, 2 channels (Amazon and Netflix).

      The rest could mostly go offline tonight and I wouldn't notice until one of the few websites I visit reported on it.

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    13. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      A few times I had to turn off my ad blocking and script blocking, I was shocked at just how awful most people have it.

      Bingo.

      After several months of using Adblock I had occasion to use someone a friend's PC without Adblock....and I was blown away at how polluted the average web page is. Just loads of shit and ads and banners and fuck all. Ewwwwwwwwww. And it was slooooooooow as shit because of the megabytes of extra crap being loaded.

      So I said, "Hey, wanna see something cool? There's this thing called 'Adblock', I think you'll like it...."

      It's been over a year now and my friend still hasn't stopped thanking me.

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    14. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because advertising unfortunately works. Microsoft would've died in the 1990ies if quality alone mattered. Marketing matters a lot. Perhaps not on the web anymore, not with all the kinds of ad blockers.

      Yes - people stay on an interesting page. No, they don't see the ads because they're filtered out. If the site refuse if you don't download the ads, then the ads will be downloaded, but not actually displayed. Rendered in memory, perhaps. Never displayed where the user see it.

      With click counting we had click fraud. If you measure page reading time and scroll speed, then the bot armies will scroll through at the ideal rate . . .

    15. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      I make a list of advertisers that annoy me and make a point to go to their competitors.

    16. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So I said, "Hey, wanna see something cool? There's this thing called 'Adblock', I think you'll like it...."

      It's been over a year now and my friend still hasn't stopped thanking me.

      I've "fixed" many people's computers by installing Adblock. They were ready to buy another computer because they though the dropoff in speed was due to age. Same result - Happy people.

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    17. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Ramze · · Score: 2

      Well said, but not every ad is meant to be converted to a sale right away. Often, it's to create or preserve brand recognition so that when you do make a purchase, you're likely to choose their brand over one you've never heard before or haven't seen as prominently.

      Web ads were often broken down by impressions (did you see our ad), click-throughs (did you click to learn more or buy), and sales from tracking that click-through (a conversion of the ad into real money). An actual conversion/referral purchase gets the biggest bucks, but the others have some value to the marketer. Marketing departments have x amount of dollars and access to vast databases of consumer behavior to help them find their target market. If an ad network has profiled you according to which sites you visit, what you've purchased in the past, where you live, what your search terms are, etc etc... it knows enough about you to display ads that companies paid for you to see because they decided you're part of their target market or potential target market. Just having your brain register their logo is worth something to them. Marketing departments generally have to spend their budgets wisely, yet also completely to justify their existence... so, they spend the big bucks on stupid things like sports arena branding and Superbowl ads to get major mindshare, but then they spend some on other TV and radio, and the rest on newspaper and internet. Pennies per impression for ads.... it's not terribly expensive for multinational corporations.

      I largely agree with your post, but keep in mind that separating you from your money immediately isn't their primary goal, and separating you from your money in general may not even be their goal. You might watch a commercial or see an ad that you find interesting and pass that message along to someone else who will be glad to pay money for the product or service -- and you just disseminated their message for them because you enjoyed their silly/unusual ad.

      As an aside, my parents love the Allstate commercials with Mayhem in them. They'll never use Allstate as they love their Nationwide insurance rep. But, they'll talk about those commercials at church and spread awareness which keeps Allstate's name high in customer awareness as well as portrays them in a positive light.

    18. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Hicks once said: "If you are in marketing, you suck the cock of satan!"
      And I think he was right.

    19. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've "fixed" many people's computers by installing Adblock. They were ready to buy another computer because they though the dropoff in speed was due to age. Same result - Happy people.

      Computers don't get slow with age. That is a mistake microsoft teach them . . .

    20. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      It isn't just ad-blocking, though. Tat-heavy ads mess with your bandwidth, but a lot of the ping-ponging comes from not pre-allocating space for legitimate things to come. If you simply put an image tag on a page, an initial space may be computed, but if the actual image isn't the exact same size, then the page layout has to be updated once the true image pixel occupancy is known. Simply putting the image tag in a fixed-size DIV can mitigate this. So can putting WIDTH/HEIGHT attributes on image tags, although I've personally seen bad matchups where the browser burned a lot of resources re-scaling to a different final size.

    21. Re: CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe in me! Believe in the me that believes in the you that believes in gnick!

      - Kamina

    22. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I've "fixed" many people's computers by installing Adblock. They were ready to buy another computer because they though the dropoff in speed was due to age. Same result - Happy people.

      Computers don't get slow with age. That is a mistake microsoft teach them . . .

      You do know that many people think that they do. It is just a misinterpretation of Moore's Law.

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    23. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by chihowa · · Score: 1

      And I have no doubt that the ad industry lies to their customers, giving them a false idea of how many people are seeing or bypassing the ads.

      You've hit the nail on the head with that line.

      I'm skeptical about the actual effectiveness of advertising on consumers on the whole, but the ad industry has been extremely effective in selling advertising to companies. That is apparently where advertising actually works and I bet the ad mongers are just as unscrupulous in their dealings with their clients as they are with the public.

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    24. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You've hit the nail on the head with that line.

      I'm skeptical about the actual effectiveness of advertising on consumers on the whole, but the ad industry has been extremely effective in selling advertising to companies. That is apparently where advertising actually works and I bet the ad mongers are just as unscrupulous in their dealings with their clients as they are with the public.

      That reminds me of the old saying about fishing lures. Supposedly to catch fish, they are designed to catch fishermen.

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    25. Re:CTR was NEVER a good metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is really that nobody is making anything that the general public thinks is worth paying for.

      I buy that.

  2. Sounds like old news... by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 2

    Most of the click metrics tools (I use CrazyEgg.com) will give you the "heat" area of the pages too (according the scroll). Correct me if I misunderstood the subject.

    1. Re:Sounds like old news... by rtkluttz · · Score: 2

      Why does this not infuriate people? Why do web browser designers even expose capability of browsers to do this kind of tracking even if its anonymous? It causes nothing but trouble. It gets used in inappropriate ways and is also used as justification to get more from users. If it doesn't exist at all we can all go back to the web being like a newspaper or magazine. Where advertisers know their fucking place and buy advertising on the CHANCE that you will read and get out of this stupid fucking notion that they have the right to MAKE you see their advertising.

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    2. Re:Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can turn it off by not sending them that data.

      It's your computer sending that data to them in the first place. So... don't.

      Don't feel like you need to do what everyone else is doing.

    3. Re:Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I 50% agree and 50% disagree with you. If advertisers and web designers can track my eyeballs per second per square inch on their content to maximize effectiveness, it doesn't hurt us .... IF they don't force us to watch their crap. Youtube: Your video will start after this commercial. CNN: You must watch this same M*F*!!! fifteen second ad every time you want to watch another story. Web: You can't pause this auto-play video ad and it even follows you down the F-king page as you scroll!!! That obnoxious behavior needs to go. You can fast-forward past ads on uVerse, you can skip ads in a newspaper. So I don't think we should care if they have the most amazing metrics in the universe ... as long as they use them to entice us or to give us what we want (I'm always in the market for cool new tech gadgets, so me the stuff, I'll buy it instead of hunting on ebay and on amazon new products.). That would be cool. But the DRM and handcuffs on the media makes me want to leave the web for a newspaper or magazine where the ads I don't want to see can be ignored.

    4. Re:Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Heat maps just make me wonder how on earth people are browsing. When I go to a webpage, assuming I'm there to read, the first thing I do is shove the mouse somewhere else (ideally a second monitor, if not just off he side somewhere) and use cursor keys *because they don't overlay an irritating pointer over what I'm trying to read, and are more effective for moving up and down a bunch of text*. Do people really look with their mice???

    5. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also uses cpu, several tabs all constantly polling the mouse.

    6. Re:Sounds like old news... by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2

      I'm not certain if your questions are rhetorical or not but I feel as though you should already know the answer to all of it is simply money.

      That's the why of anything got built the way it did wrt browsers and so forth. I mean there is a colorful history and complex humans behind it all, but a lot of the motivation comes back to money and what it moves in our society.

      And if you think advertisers actually left things up to chance before, you would be mistaken. Magazines were invented to get into niches to advertise. Hobbyists have had to deal with that for years. Their feelings of ownership of eyeballs comes with the disgusting amounts of money spent on getting copy in front of those same eyes. It's an actual industry after all.

    7. Re:Sounds like old news... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Because those features are required if you're going to implement full applications in the browser, as, for example, Google Docs (and Office 365 Online) are classic examples. They don't implement them for marketers, they're implemented because developers are trying to do advanced things in HTML and Javascript.

      And while I know many on Slashdot would prefer applications not be built with web technologies, that's the way the world's going right now, for better or worse. Increasingly users are expecting the applications they use to be delivered over the web, accessible from any standards compliant web browser.

      And it'll probably continue that way until or unless the concept of web pages and online apps gets separated, but that would require a good understanding of the needs of the former, and an agreement by vendors on an API (like Android's) for the latter, and that's not going to happen soon.

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    8. Re: Sounds like old news... by unrtst · · Score: 1

      It also uses cpu, several tabs all constantly polling the mouse.

      Mouse polling doesn't work like that. Only your active window will be polling. That still sucks, but it's not every tab.

    9. Re:Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your autoplay content don't know that the audio is muted at my end. They may read the volume setting, which is not muted. But it goes into a stereo jack with a cut-off cable. That cannot be detected.

    10. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depends on how its implemented a listener would only work when the tab is active and moved a polling script would run regardless and use cpu to some degree

    11. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you are busy fucking with physical kill switches, the websites all notice your 53.5% volume or w/e and use it to track you site to site...

    12. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't even need to poll. Just add mouse entered and mouse exited events to all the elements and link those to little pings back to the server.

    13. Re:Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you don't use your mouse for a lot of stuff makes the heat map MORE valuable. It almost guarantees that each mouse movement was deliberate rather than just some statistical noise.

    14. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, this doesn't prevent tracking - for which there are numerous other countermeasures. It prevents audio ads, and they don't know the audio isn't working. Therefore, they can't use "mute detection" to fill up the page with bigger graphical elements. They waste effort and think their message gets through at the usual rate.

      Tracker blocking makes them unsure of who I am. They may notice and lump me in with a large amount of people who use blocking and can't be distinguished individually. (And therefore no efficient marketing, unless they're pushing adblocking software - our only common interest.)

        Or they may end up filling their databases with large amounts of one-off profiles. My volume is not stuck at 53.3%, it fluctuates. At least in their readings. When they read window size, screen size or the set of installed fonts - there is randomization. A random 10% of the fonts are not reported, screen size has a +-random(500) each time. Whatever stat they read, I log the reading. Then I add a sensible randomization for that stat. Similiar for the content of cookies, when they aren't rejected or put to other uses. They want cookie - I send over a virus, buffer overflow or sql funnies. If in a bad mood. Tracking through browser features can be a tricky business.

    15. Re:Sounds like old news... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why can't we have a simple permission system for this? "This web page wants to use features that can be used to monitor your activity on this site. Only click "allow" if you trust the page and wan to use these functions."

      Sure, some idiots will click "allow" on anything, but it's fairly effective for things like location data and webcam access.

      It would be nice if browsers had APIs for controlling Javascript and other web technology access with a bit finer grain than "on/off" too.

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    16. Re: Sounds like old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polling works like that if someone is polling in a timer callback (doh)

  3. Took long enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa! Sudden outbreak of common sense.

    A lot of people are about to lose their jobs...

  4. Maybe people are oversaturated by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps it is marketing itself that is no longer effective. Everyone knows the dominant players in every major market and everyone intuitively understands they're just being sold to. Some tune them out and the others are just fed up with invasive, annoying ads and use adblockers.

    1. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      I think there is some real truth to this. People are so constantly and aggressively marketed to that they have lowered their blast shields, and actually fight against being influenced by it.

    2. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck the marketers, they should all die in a fire.

      They have taken an invention that had the potential to educate and uplift every single person on the planet, and turned it into just another medium to throw advertising in our faces.

    3. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The advertisers would disagree. A few brands in the past thought this and stopped advertising. "People" forget quickly - and even more quickly when a competitor keeps advertising.

      By people forgetting I mean a few things:
      1 - People are born and people die. For simplicity sake you may say you lose 2% of your active customer base each year to death or aging out of your product's purpose. Some products may have an even higher attrition rate if the age band is narrow.

      2 - People who do use XYZ product are likely to use more or choose a specific brand if they are constantly exposed to it. Think "Bud/Coors/XYZ light please" at the bar. You are more likely to choose something that is "top of mind" and advertising keeps it top of mind. This ensures that commodity purchases like soda, beer, fast food, etc. get "stuck" in your head and you are less likely to stray / try new things.

      3 - New features, variations, etc. Products change and advertising lets people know that an old brand is up with the times.

      4 - People literally forget and not all people know about everything. When time comes to buy/do anything you start with a list of places you know and then branch out. Just ending up on the list of places considered is a big deal. A company doesn't have to be the best, it just has to be the best the person considered. While this is similar to #2 - this is more about infrequent purchases that you more thoroughly research. This is less about keeping you locked in a groove and more about ensuring the product is ever considered.

      5 - You might not always be the target of the advertising - don't eat/like Taco Bell? They aren't trying to get you to. They want the millions of stoners and fat asses to either immediately go get taco bell or keep it top of mind. Think this doesn't work on a nightly basis? You are wrong. Some people actually like certain products and are motivated to instantly purchase upon seeing an ad.

    4. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Chill out. This particular invention is powerful enough to do both.

    5. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      Clicks let people actually see a quantifiable effect from their advertising (flawed as it might be). That is a lot harder with things like TV commercials and print ads.

      IMO, those commercials and ads had become very over-valued because they couldn't really be measured. Especially when the people selling ad time/space talk up "brand recognition" and similar effects as the major value in buying their time/space.

    6. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The advertisers would disagree..

      Sure the advertisers disagree, or they'd fire themselves.
       

      A few brands in the past thought this and stopped advertising. "People" forget quickly - and even more quickly when a competitor keeps advertising.

      Not necessarily. For example in the UK (and maybe the World) Stihl is the best brand of outdooor machinery. But I have never seen an advert for Stihl in the media. Yet they dominate the professional market because of their reputation which people do not "forget".

      1 - People are born and people die.

      Adverts are not the only way that people learn of a brand. They learn from other users, reviews on the web (amateur and profesional) and simply Googling for makers' web sites. If I want to buy a camera I would Google for "cameras" and find the web sites for Nikon, Canon etc. I don't think anyone is complaining about advertising in the form of makers' websites describing their range of stuff.

      2 - People who do use XYZ product are likely to use more or choose a specific brand if they are constantly exposed to it. Think "Bud/Coors/XYZ light please" at the bar. You are more likely to choose something that is "top of mind" and advertising keeps it top of mind.

      Nope. Talking beer, what is top of my mind is the beer I like. I've tried many beers and II prefer London Pride - but never seen it advertised.

    7. Re: Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are these mythical people who will create quality content for years on end without getting paid? Advertising drives the web. This is much, much better than the alternative, which would be 98% sponsored content with a subtle sales agenda.

    8. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Fuck the marketers, they should all die in a fire.

      Marketers and Lawyers would be a good start -- but sadly that wouldn't really change anything. :-/

      I really wish we could ban all forms of commercial advertising.

      Advertising pollutes our spaces -- both physical and virtual.
      It disrespects our time.
      All for the sake of profit.
      Greed is the cancer that destroys everything good about the world.

      Have we really become such a stupid species that we let blatant propaganda and hyper commercialization of product placement control our lives?

      When does it end?

    9. Re: Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably too young to remember the early days of the web, when it wasn't like this.

      There were ads, yes. They're weren't pervasive, pernicious, intrusive, obtrusive, ubiquitous.

    10. Re: Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also a whole lot less stuff on it.

    11. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many beers did you go through before finding the one you liked. Did you go through the ones you knew about first and then branch out?

      If so, would you have stopped looking for a better beer if you'd have liked one of the more advertised brands?

    12. Re: Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. It is not as if we need all the stuff on the web though. I certainly won't mind if the (large) ad-funded part collapse. The web is not my life.

      Wikipedia works without ads - and yes, I have donated because I use them.

      Webshops make money from selling the stuff they display. Web ads may boost that process, but aren't strictly necessary. Shop pages are actually nice - little advertising because they don't want to end up advertising for competitors.

      Lots of special interest forums would still be run by enthusiasts even with no ad revenue. They were there before ads, many haven't adopted ads either. This is where I find most of value on the web, and this part will remain even if ai-powered adblockers eventually kill advertising completely. Running a webserver is cheap, running a forum is some work but ok if it is your chief interest anyway.

    13. Re: Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a lot of it was worth reading.

      Now there's unlimited stuff. And nearly all of it is total drek.

    14. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I went with recommendations from friends and older family members before I found the one I liked

    15. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There needs to be more research done on anti-advertising, i.e. ads that make people buy less of something by accident or by design.

      I find a lot of advertising to be patronising, unfunny and irritating to the point where I avoid those brands. I come to associate my annoyance with the brand, not just the ad.

      I wonder if they can be weaponized. Obviously trademarks are an issue, but maybe you could "de-program" people to not buy specific things. It can certainly be done generally, for example with minimalist home design catalogues that discourage buying too much stuff and creating clutter, or things like the Konmari method.

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    16. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chill out. This particular invention is powerful enough to do both.

      Not with marketers involved, which essentially was the parents entire fucking point.

    17. Re:Maybe people are oversaturated by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      You really think most Americans know that they are being sold to? Diamond rings, the latest iPhone, three cars per family, the list goes on and on. Americans are really good at one thing: buying whatever our corporate overlords tell us we can't live without. The common man even willingly takes part in the marketing, retweeting things, liking posts, etc.

      It's not just things either. Look at policies that have been sold to us through the years: the mortgage interest deduction, unforgivable student debt, tipping, mandatory union dues, the war on drugs/terror. These were marketed as great ways to stimulate the economy or attain/protect the American Dream (TM). Most Americans don't realize how stupid it all is, and that they've been had by some very wealthy and powerful people. It goes all the way to the top. Officials are constantly trying to oversell their position. They sell their budget proposal or nominee or pet boogeyman, and the proletariat is supposed to lap it up. We have a president who does a Jedi mind trick, and somehow people are suddenly no longer interested in seeing his tax returns. Instead we get sold a line about the Lugenspresse (and holy shit the alt-right openly calls it that) making it up that Trump promised to release his returns if he became POTUS.

      We get sold to all the time, and it is more nefarious than a few strategically placed web ads. I'd be perfectly content with a world where the only things people are trying to sell me are useful items I'd be interested in purchasing. Instead we have this hurricane of 24-7 BS coming from everywhere, and every marketer has an angle.

  5. Who will be affected by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook has already had to restart advertising numbers multiple times.

  6. Death of the dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF

    1. Re:Death of the dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's some 'Death of a Salesman' thing

    2. Re:Death of the dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      something is wrong with your browser's keming

    3. Re:Death of the dick by allo · · Score: 1

      Before he gets back to the start city. Because the route was too long due to inefficient computation.

  7. They just have to become better bullshitters by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    That shouldn't be too difficult.

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    1. Re:They just have to become better bullshitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason Donald Trump will ultimately help the economy.

      It doesn't matter if you're for or against him. Him being so divisive is precisely how he helps the economy.

      If a company wants to sell to the left, they just have to spew anti-Trump bullshit.

      If a company wants to sell to the right, they spew some pro-Trump bullshit.

  8. Old Metrics Still Rule All Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, the hot, hip, up-and-coming fresh out of school marketeers will turn their noses up at clicks, but the old-school crew will stick by what they know. It's the same in all industries.

    1. Re:Old Metrics Still Rule All Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. This isn't an informative article about an industry trend; it's a marketing piece on its own, trying to sell a new trend, for the benefit of consulting analysts who want to make setting up and analyzing marketing performance more difficult and confusing.

  9. A piece about content... without content. by ZenShadow · · Score: 3

    Either that article was very poorly written, or the author doesn't know what they're talking about. What, precisely, do they think is going to replace clicks? 'cause "passive scrolling" is pretty vague (and doesn't seem to me to meet the goal of advertising).

    I also love the idea that Google Analytics made clicks popular. Because, y'know, this couldn't possibly have been a popular metric long before Google ever came on the scene...

    I guess to the hipsters, the Internet starts with Google.

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  10. CPI - "Cost Per Impression" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    What you're looking for is "Cost Per Impression" (CPI):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_per_impression

    It's been around at least as long as newspapers.

    1. Re:CPI - "Cost Per Impression" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your browser locks up and takes your system down with it while you're looking at OUR advertisement, that's an impression!

    2. Re:CPI - "Cost Per Impression" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, and at least to me it is the last impression from that brand and from the whole ad network which provided that crap as their domain gets added to my Adblock blacklist. I would suggest other people to perform similar natural selection; start with empty blacklist and eliminate every annoying advertisement but leave those which do no harm. If we all did this, the web would be a better place.

    3. Re:CPI - "Cost Per Impression" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? Because newspapers have been around since about the mid 18th century.

  11. I'd like to see by fabioalcor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Death of the Clickbait, that's what this story is.

    1. Re:I'd like to see by pscottdv · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:I'd like to see by Anubis350 · · Score: 2

      You know, I even clicked knowing full well what it was going to be, jamming out now

      /yeah yeah, offtopic, mod at me mods, I've got karma to burn

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    3. Re:I'd like to see by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The Death of the Clickbait, that's what this story is.

      You simply won't believe how they did it!

  12. Usabilty metric by jetkust · · Score: 2

    Is there a metric for how quickly people click off a website when ads make it unusable?

    1. Re:Usabilty metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have the enormous intrusive ads for Slashdot Deals driven enough people away yet?

    2. Re:Usabilty metric by neo-mkrey · · Score: 2

      We'll call it the Forbes-metric.

    3. Re:Usabilty metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think anyone sees ads on Slashdot?

  13. the bubble is popping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh NO!! How will the social media marketing billionaires continue CRUSHING it???

  14. Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    Imagine this... marketing that actually figures out the actual preferences of consumers and only targets them with relevant content. Mind blown.

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    1. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a brilliant idea. I'm imagining maybe what if we voluntarily put our consumer preferences into our browsers and that was delivered to the advertisers? For example, I'm always in the market for the next tech gadget, I'm always looking for fun toys for my kids, and if anyone invents things that will make my wife's tolerance of me easier with less of her yelling, I'm up for all those things. Send me what you got !!!! I want to buy it !! If I could put that into my browser and deliver it to every web page like a cookie, my click-thru rate would skyrocket.

    3. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      marketing that actually figures out the actual preferences of consumers and only targets them with relevant content.

      You mean like when I search for something on Amazon and I get shown ads for the same stuff when I visit my local newspaper's website? That kind of irrelevant garbage intrusion on privacy?

    4. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind if they show me stuff that's related to the section I'm browsing, but I am creeped out when they follow me around as I browse.

      Think about it: would you like to walk into Macy's and have a 'sales associate' walk up and say, "Oh, I see you just bought some pillowcases at Bed, Bath & Beyond - would you like me to show you our bedding selection?"

    5. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by omnichad · · Score: 0

      Ditto. It's a huge waste of money for the advertiser. And when it comes to a router, if you buy one 3 years later it's going to be a different model.

    6. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      The worst part of the whole thing is that the ads following me around are more like. "I see you just bought some pillowcases, here's some more pillowcases you might be interested in." Except that's not really capturing the absurdity of the Amazon ads, since they follow me around AFTER I buy the thing, so it's more like you go back to Bed Bath & Beyond and the sales associate walks up and says "Oh, you bought these pillowcases last time you were here. Would you like to buy more pillowcases?"

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    7. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      This. What I find hilarious is I buy an item online, let's use the new router ....... for the next 3-4 months I will see only adds for that item I'm happily using at home now.

      You are lucky. 6 months ago I signed up a spamming company to a website for Thai Brides. Now ads for Thai brides keep popping on my screen. I have to shield the screen from my wife.

    8. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no no. You see the ad for the item you already have. So you feel you did the right thing. You get happy with your product! No sale right now, but you're beginning to love their brand. Or so they hope. Don't work that way with intelligent people, but perhaps with sheep.

    9. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country there is local equivalent of ebay ... recently with new owner they started pushing strongly
      Promoted products - they want to switch from auctions site to the store I think.

      What surprises me that having full history of my purchases, what i watched, what i searched and identified logged in user
      they are throwing at me shit unrelated to my interests and purchases ...
      What is wrong with them ?

      They have that problem because what i purchase are collectible items (mostly military related - equipment, medals, cold steel or black powder weapons.

      This is something for midway , brownells or gunbroker not for wide market of diapers, drink, shoes ...

    10. Re:Marketing slowly sneaking up on common sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your wife could use a Thai bride?

  15. Shortest non-informative article I've ever read !! by ripvlan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The linked article is almost as long as the /. post above. I'd vote down the story as "not the best" Seriously -- several build up paragraphs of text with a final conclusion of "passive scrolling" followed by a button "show less" --- this article can't be much less. it needs a "show more"

    Suggests to me it is click spam that made it though /. filters. SEO bait.

  16. H.I.T.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I attended a conference almost a decade ago with a workshop titled "How Idiots Track Success". The idea that clicks were valuable is an invention of the advertising industry. Like almost everything else in the advertising industry, it is a commonly believed cliche based on plying a large thread of self-serving misinformation with a very thin thread of truth. The reason it continues to be used is that honest measures make it obvious that online advertising is not really all that valuable. That serves almost nobody.

    1. Re: H.I.T.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Sometimes I hear what if Silicon Valley is in bubble, and then many immediately dismiss the possibility. Except what about if people start walking up about the true value of online marketing?

    2. Re: H.I.T.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, waking..

    3. Re:H.I.T.S. by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Did you just describe what goes on in the White House?

  17. Re:A piece about content... without content. by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Google came "onto the scene" in 1999...So they've been here almost the whole time.

  18. Re:A piece about content... without content. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time began at 9/11. The American Empire will endure.

  19. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This click-bait title and story are fake news. Death of the click, please.

  20. I thought ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... it was Clack that died.

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  21. Brand impressions in video and timelines by tepples · · Score: 1

    What, precisely, do they think is going to replace clicks?

    Video impressions and impressions in an "infinitely" scrolling timeline. From the featured article:

    Marketers are starting to attribute marketing success towards content exposure that drives you to click something, instead of the click itself. Two key formats increase content exposure: video and passive scrolling.

    I guess to the hipsters, the Internet starts with Google.

    Marketers once again want to get a brand name into the public's collective head to drive search traffic:

    "a lot of work is done to get you to type something into a search bar to begin with," AdRoll President Adam Berke tells Axios.

  22. naw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Delta of new client hosts month to month & year over year.

  23. I strip the referer from all my requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No one needs to know what led me to their site.

  24. Re:A piece about content... without content. by afgam28 · · Score: 1

    "Passive scrolling" is when you load up something like Facebook or Instagram, and you mindlessly scroll through your feed. These apps implement infinite scrolling, and every n-th post is actually an ad.

    The article doesn't mention it, but I think one of the big drivers of the "death" of click through rates as a metric is brand advertising. Advertisers have started to view digital ads more as a long-term brand-building exercise (where brand exposure is all they want) instead of a short-term sales opportunity (where click-through rate rules).

    I think since the 90s, brand exposure is all marketers have cared about for newspaper, radio and TV ads - no one measures any equivalent of CTR for those mediums. It's surprising to me that it took them so long to align their digital marketing strategies to this way of thinking. Perhaps having an easy way to measure a metric (in the form of Google Analytics) is the key driver for the adoption of that metric (rather than the usefulness of the metric itself).

  25. Re:Shortest non-informative article I've ever read by tomhath · · Score: 2
    Not only short and non-informative, but makes nonsense assertions like this:

    Why it matters: Most publishers have designed their websites to measure user interaction through clicks, not scroll rates or time spent on stories. As the industry moves away from click-through rates (CTR's) as the most meaningful marketing metric, those publishers will have a difficult time justifying the effectiveness of their platforms for marketers.

    Care to explain why publishers will have a "difficult time"? If it can be counted, they can count it. If it can't be counted, it's not a metric.

  26. block an ad on this page by rpresser · · Score: 0

    block div class="stackcommerce-widget scw-horizontal col4"

  27. Re: A piece about content... without content. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it's year 16 according to the American calendar.

  28. Load More Stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scroll: death to Load More Stories button!

  29. Bigger, smaller, bigger smaller, bigger by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indirect metrics follow the same cycle for decades. If it isn't the advertiser's actual BOTTOM line -- and it never is -- then the metric is indirect. And indirect metrics simply follow the very basic fad system: if it's common to see big numbers, the new way shows small numbers, and vice versa.

    Views - 1 per viewing of an ad
    Viewers - 1 per person per ad
    Eyeballs - 2 per person per ad
    Hits - 1 per object on the page
    Pageviews - 1 per page
    Impression Time - seconds per page read
    Clicks - 1 per click of an ad
    Click through rate - clicks per minute, per day, per month, per year, per thousand impressions
    Conversions - per interaction
    Walk-ins - warm lead
    Buyer - actual money, top line
    Profitable buyer - actual money, bottom line

    The game is always to market your number as smaller, and hence more accurate and more meaningful than others, or to make people prefer your numbers because they are proportionately higher than other metrics. Big whoop.

    My favourite example has got to be the groupon model. We'll bring more paying customers into your business. Good. They'll pay so much less that you'll actually lose money, but you'll have a new customer! Yeah, one who will never pay full price for anything, and will hop around from one loss-leader discount to another. Who makes money off of these customers? Oh yeah, groupon does, and no one else.

    Let's do it again.

    100 customers spend 100 seconds reading 90% of your article! No they didn't. They scrolled to it, took a phone call for a minute, and left it open. And they didn't understand what they read, so it really doesn't matter. And then, they didn't buy anything. Watch me care.

    1. Re:Bigger, smaller, bigger smaller, bigger by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      Eyeballs - 2 per person per ad

      I have a lazy eye, you insensitive clod!

  30. No, something more advanced by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I would say what they are looking for is not cost per impression, but rather cost per ENGAGED impression. That is, making CPI actually mean something by noting how likely it was someone paid attention to your ad - like as they mentioned, scroll speed slowing to view the space an ad is in, or perhaps a mouse moving closer to an ad and lingering (a good sign they are paying attention).

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  31. I blame Slashdot mobile by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    The "Close Ad" link at the bottom of the m.SlashDot.org page is really tiny and nearly impossible for me to hit. More often than not, I miss the "close" and click on the ad or a link in the story. Using a stylus has helped, but those advertisers have to pay Slashdot and don't get any business from me.

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    1. Re:I blame Slashdot mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [quote]The "Close Ad" link at the bottom of the m.SlashDot.org page is really tiny.... miss the "close" and click on the ad or a link in the story.[/quote]
      So it works like intended.

  32. Re:A piece about content... without content. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Google Analytics came in 2005 when they bought urchin. There was plenty of online advertising going on before that, including the whole bubble.

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  33. Scroll bars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best dooshbaggery I've seen yet are the websites that don't have scroll bars. To make the scroll bars visible, and enable navigation of the websites, you have to login or create an account.

  34. SHITnet and shiTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm attempting to start a meme here. The Internet shall officially be known as the SHITnet, and TV, in all its fecal formats, shall officially be known as shiTV.

  35. ad block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not know a person who do not use adblock of sort. It is amusing to me to see new kinds of metrics invented for ads that people do not see.

  36. Punch The Monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's old news, no matter what you want to call it.

  37. Re:A piece about content... without content. by tsqr · · Score: 1

    I think since the 90s, brand exposure is all marketers have cared about for newspaper, radio and TV ads - no one measures any equivalent of CTR for those mediums.

    Well, not entirely. For newspapers, ad coupons are the equivalent of clicks. For radio and TV, it's "go to the website and enter $PROMO_CODE into the box to get a discount."

  38. moroe brake pads by citylivin · · Score: 1

    " Often, it's to create or preserve brand recognition so that when you do make a purchase, you're likely to choose their brand over one you've never heard before"

    Just happened to me. I had to choose between two brake pads, centric which i had never heard of, and monroe which is literally everywhere with their yellow ads. I ususally choose based on price for most things, but in this case, both pads were within 2 dollars of eachother, so i went with the more well known brand.

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  39. Marketing 101 by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    From someone who is in the business.

    CPI payout is so absurdly low you'll starve trying to make money on it. CPC pays depending on a wide number of factors.

    Marketing is less and less about "brand awareness" and more and more about Cost per Acquisition and Cost per Conversion. This is probably what the original poster was thinking about. The idea that you track the content a person views is very much last decade, when everyone was going about saying things like "Content is King" and we needed to track people's "Content Journeys". The idea was that you could trigger actions (email sends, different ads, etc.) based on people's consumption of content - Amazon was and is the king of this. But for all the hoopla and money spent it really didn't increase conversion that much.

    The idea that you can micro-target people - particularly geo targeting - is the hot buzz at the moment. The next revolution will probably be beacons on Bluetooth that micro target your mobile device within a few hundred yards. There's also the idea that you can be micro targeted based on ALL your digital interactions, but nobody has perfected this quite yet as it requires that your input (the things you write) is analyzed.

    For products where the marketing funnel begins and ends with search, traditional marketing is completely dead.

    And for those of you who think you're smarter than "marketers" I urge you to join the profession, you'd be quite surprised at what a science it actually is.

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  40. http://dontclick.it/ by meiao · · Score: 1

    It was last updated in 2005 (it uses flash) but shows interfaces that can easily substitute the click.

    1. Re:http://dontclick.it/ by meiao · · Score: 1

      And yes, I didn't read the article, nor anything besides the title.