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Of Course Facebook Is Putting a Snapchat Clone Inside WhatsApp (mashable.com)

Karissa Bell, writing for Mashable: Facebook is about to start pushing its next Snapchat clone on a new set of 1 billion+ users. WhatsApp is now starting to roll out its own version of Stories with an update to its Status feature. Launching now in the Netherlands and France, the feature will eventually be live in all the countries where the messaging app is available. [...] The update, which coincides with the chat app's eighth birthday, makes WhatsApp the last of the major Facebook services to get the Snapchat treatment. (The company started with Instagram last year before adding Snapchat-like features to Messenger and the main Facebook app.) Journalist Casey Newton sums up the situation with this sarcastic tweet, "Honestly whatever you think of Evan Spiegel, it's impressive that he's taking Snap public while serving as Facebook's chief product officer."

75 comments

  1. screw this, I am moving to Wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    screw this, I am moving to Wire

    1. Re:screw this, I am moving to Wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wire ain't no place I ever heard of. Do they speak English in Wire?

  2. The Internet is Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snap is as good as dead.

    1. Re:The Internet is Facebook by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Just like the internet was AOL once.

    2. Re:The Internet is Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the internet was AOL once.

      Comparing Facebook to AOL tends to highlight just how much mass ignorance has taken over the planet.

  3. "I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the new "I don't have a TV."

    1. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have a phone.

    2. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't have a FB account, and I am much happier than those that do.

      (ok, technically everyone has a FB account - they have shadow accounts on you even if you don't open one yourself.)

    3. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Old97 · · Score: 2

      I don't have an internet!

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    4. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by mcguirez · · Score: 2

      +1 insightful (oh for Mod points) on " they have shadow accounts on you even if you don't open one yourself"

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    5. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is the new "I don't have a TV."

      I don't think it's similar, most people I know don't have a Facebook account or have abandoned it.

    6. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Many people I know have abandoned TV as well (not the device, but non-timeshifted cable service)

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    7. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by geekmux · · Score: 1

      is the new "I don't have a TV."

      It's more like "I have an actual life I enjoy in the real world."

      For the social media addicts out there, you don't have to tell me how pathetic your life is. We already know.

    8. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0

      You are also much more stupid and ignorant, and ignorance is bliss. I don't think it's your lack of FB account that keeps you happy.

    9. Re: "I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the people saying who feel the need to constantly say it on here I'm not sure the evidence supports your theorem.

    10. Re: "I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Facebook account just for it "Single Sign On" for games but it's not my real name and I have no Friend on it, nor do I look at other's stuff.

    11. Re:"I don't have a Facebook account" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent down for arrogance.

  4. Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snapchat's IPO will net the founders and initial investor over a billion dollars, grant exactly zero voting rights to the IPO investors, and smells for all the world like a Ponzi scheme. So, from this story I gather that Snapchat's people are moonlighting with Facebook to integrate the same product into a competitor's ecosystem. I don't get it: how do people like Spiegel not get lynched in the streets?

    1. Re:Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how do people like Spiegel not get lynched in the streets?

      Local communities don't exist anymore when everyone is linked in to social media instead. Uber won't let you anywhere near Spiegel now, criminal.

    2. Re:Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No different than the rights Facebook shareholders surrender to Zuckerberg. These IPOs are risky in the extreme. The bubble is back.

    3. Re:Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is no bubble... real companies like Alibaba has done the same thing, and are making money hand over fist. Facebook and Snapchat make services that nobody else on the Internet ever can even come close to duplicating, and have broken new ground doing so.

      This is just the start, folks. People laughed at BitCoin when it hit $300... and it is likely going to hit $10,000 and go from there by midyear. Same with tech companies.

    4. Re: Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Troll

    5. Re: Snapchat IPO, now this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI: We're still laughing at bitcoin.

  5. But I can already send cat photos to my girlfriend by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For those of us over 30, what does "snapchat treatment" mean? You can already send photos and video and make phonecalls.

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  6. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But can you put cat ears on your pictures? This is what they mean.

  7. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you're over 30, you should remember the original Tron. Facebook is doing what the MCP did and absorbing the functions of popular apps so it grows bigger.

  8. Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    1. Re:Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The place is beginning to look like a Star War's bar scene.

    2. Re: Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hans Solo shot first. Didn't even hesitate. I saw the footage. He didn't even give Guido a chance to finish his sentence.

    3. Re: Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hans Reiser murdered fsck.

  9. This just makes it even appier! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Appbook is apping AppChat in AppApp, which makes it even appier than before! Only LUDDITES will be mad because they don't know how to app apps!

    Apps!

  10. All three nouns are irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook + SnapChat + WhatsApp = 0 + 0 + 0 = nothing of value was lost.

    1. Re:All three nouns are irrelevant by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget Meitu which has been insanely popular, and happily sends data overseas.

      FB -- useful, because it is a core gathering point for people.
      Snapchat? Useless.
      WhatsApp? Useless. Photogene4 is far better, and is paid for.

    2. Re:All three nouns are irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheep use Facebook. It's a gathering point for sheep.

  11. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

    There are tons of apps that did this on iOS and Android. Of course, the app had a good chance of sending the pic to an upstream provider where the editing was done, but hey, people are happy to trade everything for "free" stuff.

  12. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the novelty factor on that would wear off pretty fast

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  13. I'm a dinosaur by BLToday · · Score: 2

    My niece (13 yo) called me a dinosaur the other day.
    "You're a dinosaur, you and my mom still have a Facebook account." I don't really know what to say. Do kids view Facebook as something for their parents so it doesn't matter what features are added they're not going to use any Facebook service? I have no clue because I don't "get" the appeal of Snapchat. The interface and functionality seems so disjointed. I was driving her and her friend when some boys in another car rolled down their windows and asked the girls for their Snapchat name. So many I'll buy some Snap stock when they IPO because all the kids are using it.

    1. Re:I'm a dinosaur by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

      Oh goody. Maybe it's time for Uncle Dinosaur to show Mom & Dad just how much surveillance is going on and how much is bleeding through to other channels.

    2. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my experience (as a 'younger' generation member) the appeal to snap-chat is that the pictures a videos sent are more like status updates then they are anything else. It's more of a "look at me" then facebook was ever.

      As for Snap stock IPO id stay away as since 2014 Snapchat hasn't made a single dollar. Check out their S-1 from the past few years, it's pretty rough.

    3. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction to the above, "Snap INC" hasn't made a single dollar, Snapchat as a subsidiary has.

      And even in their IPO it literally states that it " ..may never achieve or maintain profitability"

    4. Re:I'm a dinosaur by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      And even in their IPO it literally states that it " ..may never achieve or maintain profitability"

      Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT place to get rid of all that extra money I have laying around...

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    5. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      He's already Uncle Dinosaur. He doesn't need to elevate that to Uncle Tinfoil. If anything, Snapchat is far better than Facebook due to the ephemeral nature of the chats.

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    6. Re:I'm a dinosaur by geekmux · · Score: 1

      He's already Uncle Dinosaur. He doesn't need to elevate that to Uncle Tinfoil. If anything, Snapchat is far better than Facebook due to the ephemeral nature of the chats.

      (Interviewer)"Oh, so you say you're very experienced with social media? Do you have any evidence of this?"

      (Facebook Dinosaur)"Why yes, I do. I've established my company, started community groups, and initiated several marketing campaigns right here."

      (Snapchat addict)"Uhhhhhhhh....."

    7. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:I'm a dinosaur by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Kids like to find a way to insult their parents. That's all.

      Your niece has only been allowed to have a Facebook account for a year or less. She probably can't go to her friends' houses unescorted. Soon enough she, and her peers, will start using Facebook.

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    9. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    10. Re:I'm a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do kids view Facebook as something for their parents so it doesn't matter what features are added they're not going to use any Facebook service?

      I hope so. I really do.

  14. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

    FB keeps attention by having new "stickers" be used and pulling older ones.

  15. Snapchat is super focused. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Snapchat has one of the better UI's around, really discoverable and quick, with great presentation of content (always full-screen).

    Many attempts to graft Snapchat into other apps have been done but they are all doomed to failure because they will never be as focused as Snapchat is.

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    1. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Snapchat has one of the better UI's around, really discoverable and quick,"

      Every time I hear this "discoverable" thing I wonder, "Why the fuck should I have to 'discover' what the app does...shouldn't there be like, oh, I dunno, menus and shit that tell me? Why should I have to hunt through the *&%$# thing to figure out how to use it?"

      But then I'm old and cranky, so who cares what I think, eh? I still expect apps and programs to have crazy shit like "menus" and labels" and "buttons" instead of hiding stuff behind hot spots and "magic corners" (I'm looking at you, Windows Fucking 10).

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    2. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Every time I hear this "discoverable" thing I wonder, "Why the fuck should I have to 'discover' what the app does...shouldn't there be like, oh, I dunno, menus and shit that tell me?

      There is a menu but it's rightfully way hidden because you don't need one 99.9999999999999999991% of the time. The rest you are either:
      * Taking a photo/video
      * Looking at photos/videos
      * Chatting
      * Adding new Snapchat friends.

      Which are all simple and easy to use without any menus, while as I said maintaining full screen content.

      I had zero hunting required to use Snapchat, Once you figure you you swipe to go somewhere (which the optional buttons teach you the first time you sue them) the whole app is dead simple.

      People these days place WAY to much emphasis on fear a gesture is not discoverable even if it's easily learnable and brings a massive improvement to UX speed.

      I still expect apps and programs to have crazy shit like "menus" and labels" and "buttons"

      Snapchat has all those things still. It's not like it doesn't have buttons, there are buttons that correspond to any of the gestures (to help you learn to use them as I said). It does indeed have a giant menu, where most modern apps place it which is under an account screen.

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    3. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > menus and shit that tell me
      are exactly what gives discoverability.

      The sad thing is that discoverability is now a cool feature, rather than the expected (minimum acceptable) baseline :(

    4. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the first time you sue them

      Truly, an American slip.

    5. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only interface where discoverable is a virtue is emacs :)

    6. Re:Snapchat is super focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In UI terms, "discoverable" means almost exactly what you say you want: the features are obvious, visible and unambiguous. Sometimes that is icons rather than text, but icons should be self-evident or be accompanied by text.

      There are fundamental differences between how people use a 4" touchscreen and a 17" screen and mouse combo that mean that a good interface for one will often suck for the other. We have had a lot of improvements in interface design over the last decade - especially on smartphones - but unfortunately a lot of products get produced by UI/UX guys who have apparently never opened a book on the subject, or held their proposed interface in their hands, and so you get magic corners, inscrutable icons, huge tiles with tiny text and other shit that would get you laughed out of a UI 101 course.

      In short - "discoverable" interfaces are the ones that don't require you to hunt around for what you want (through menus or otherwise). They have a minimally-simple interface for the task at hand, with each element doing just what you would expect it to do.

    7. Re: Snapchat is super focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discoverability is an industry term that has apparently bled into pop culture.

      Those old drop down menus and toolbars (which are the shit btw) represent the height of UI 'discoverability.' It's been all downhill since then.

    8. Re: Snapchat is super focused. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Discoverability is an industry term that has apparently bled into pop culture.
      Those old drop down menus and toolbars (which are the shit btw) represent the height of UI 'discoverability.' It's been all downhill since then.

      I'd agree...menus that group things into reasonably logical choices and where each item has a keyboard shortcut is arguably the cleanest most functional interface hands down. Some of the more recent UI designs for certain apps are just fucking miserable, truly egregious.

      The only logical conclusion I can draw from some of these wretched interfaces is that the designers hate users and want us all to die in a fire.

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  16. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Threni · · Score: 2

    It means that, like facebook messenger, it'll go from an app which lets you select a contact to start/continue a conversation with, to an app where the contact list is interrupted with irrelevant lists of who's online now (who cares?) and people you might know (huh?), before finally changing and being always one wrong press away from launching the camera and letting you add retarded shit like rainbows and stickers to photos. You'd have to be either a moron or 13 years old to appreciate it. I stopped using facebook messenger when this happened and it looks like i'm going to have to stop using whatsapp soon too. Who knows what to, though. Signal, perhaps, or just email maybe.

  17. Does it even matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my experience, Facebook is a place for middle-aged women to either tell me how wonderful their husband/family is, or complain about how terrible their life is. Everyone else just seems to post pictures of minions telling me when it's Friday.

    1. Re:Does it even matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a sec, you just described exactly how fictional characters in TV shows use Facebook. Is your experience from using Facebook or from watching TV?

  18. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Nice analogy. Hopefully we get the same ending.

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  19. Re: But I can already send cat photos to my girlfr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send casual nudes while obscuring your face with a filter.

  20. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russian hackers delete Facebook and replace it with VK overnight?

  21. Enbrace, extend, extinguish by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    Facebook has stolen the playbook from M$

  22. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    For those of us over 30, what does "snapchat treatment" mean? You can already send photos and video and make phonecalls.

    - I am quite a bit over 30 but let me try this, isn't 'snapchat treatment' similar to hit and run treatment?

  23. Re: But I can already send cat photos to my girlfr by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0

    You can send me casual nudes (female, not too overweight), and I don't care what you do to your face.

  24. WhatsApp sucks anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont trust anything made by Facebook to give you privacy. Your data is how they make money. Why buy a platform that is the complete opposite and not charge anyone for its use? Goodness of their hearts? No, it's been compromised from day one. There are countries that block Telegram (also don't trust) and Signal (the best; Tox clients are great too), but not WhatsApp? Dude...think about that. Facebook has offered Snap Chat soooo much money too and they turned them down. That's because, though Snap isn't perfect for sharing without worry, they know they do a hell of a lot better job at protecting user privacy than FB. Not that many people use WhatsApp as those that use Snap Chat, so unless FB can convince people to be more paranoid and "save the day," Snap Chat isn't going anywhere.

  25. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

    There used to be an app for Android called TextSecure. It was close to an ideal for messaging as one could get, because it did end to end encryption, no ads, could store texts encrypted, and so on. Wish it were still around.

  26. Re:But I can already send cat photos to my girlfri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "End Of Line"

  27. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Signal.