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Netflix CEO Predicts Mobile Operators Will Soon Offer Unlimited Video (phys.org)

An anonymous reader shares an AFP report: Netflix head Reed Hastings predicted Monday that mobile carriers will soon offer data plans that give users unlimited video streaming to meet the rising popularity of watching TV and movies on mobile devices. Carriers offer unlimited data caps but they are usually very expensive. But Hastings said he believed mobile carriers will eventually create a two-tear system where video data is unlimited to meet the growing demand for watching TV series and movies on mobile devices. "What we are going to see I think is a number of companies pioneering new ways of offering services to the consumers where it is unlimited video data but it is limited to say one megabit speed," he said. "So it is a slower speed but you get unlimited data on that and that turns out to be very efficient on network so an operator can offer unlimited viewing."

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  1. Bit of an overreaction? by MiniMike · · Score: 2

    But Hastings said he believed mobile carriers will eventually create a two-tear system

    How many tears does he think we shed with the current system? Hopefully the new plans will decrease sadness.

    1. Re:Bit of an overreaction? by Megane · · Score: 1

      But what we really want to know is if are they delicious tears.

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    2. Re:Bit of an overreaction? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      "Cry-yyy-yyy-ing over... bandwidth."

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    3. Re:Bit of an overreaction? by hipp5 · · Score: 2

      How many tears does he think we shed with the current system? Hopefully the new plans will decrease sadness.

      No, you doofus. Do you even English? He wants to create a two-tear system... as in a tear in space and a tear in time, which deliver video without the normal data constraints.

    4. Re:Bit of an overreaction? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      But Hastings said he believed mobile carriers will eventually create a two-tear system

      How many tears does he think we shed with the current system?.

      Lots. And it is tearing me apart.

  2. At some point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see wireless data buckets being large enough so that most people don't need home internet. Would really give a kick in the behind to lazy telecom/cable incumbents and their corrupt political lapdogs.

    1. Re:At some point by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      maybe 10 years but wireless still has some technical issues that wired telecom doesn't have

    2. Re:At some point by crow · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

      Verizon and AT&T have home Internet businesses already that they don't want to cannibalize. Sprint and T-Mobile just need to expand their capacity, but it's just a matter of time before they start offering home Internet over LTE. This will be a bloodbath for Comcast.

    3. Re:At some point by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I have heard this is the reason most of the wired internet providers are dragging their feet on infrastructure, they're afraid wireless will eat their lunch will negligible last mile costs.

  3. Not that much of a prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since I already have a contract phone that has unlimited minutes, texts and data for £19 (~$24) a month.
    Unlimited data plans are more common, and a LOT cheaper outside of the USA

    1. Re: Not that much of a prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the piece of news is about something else than probably most of the rest of the civilized world already enjoys.

      To compare: in Finland all mobile data is uncapped. There's just too much competition to start cap things. Something like 5 - 40â 256 kbit/s - 300 Mbit/s respectively.

  4. Oh great by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    Now we can be stupid on the go.

    1. Re: Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly selfies and taking tits and ass pictures in Walmart weren't OG stupid enough.

    2. Re: Oh great by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but taking selfies and tits/ass shots requires some initiative.

  5. Terrible for net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If carriers can afford to offer 1 megabit at unlimited data, then they should do that for all data. Some Canadian carriers like WIND already offer this type of unlimited plan where after your data cap runs out you get slower speeds. Restricting this to "video" data is a fancy way of saying data that the companies pay to make cheaper.

  6. A bit hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So net neutrality is only good when it hurts him? Because I remember Netflix fought hard for it but he appears to be advocating the opposite so it benefits him

    1. Re:A bit hypocritical by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      netflix has the money and tech to deploy the servers and the software to allow the carriers to do this. unlike say your small startup

    2. Re:A bit hypocritical by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      There are two parts to the distribution of the video to a cell phone.

      The wired part from say, Netflix to the carrier. And then the wireless part from the carrier to your phone.
      What is currently limited/expensive and the reason why carriers limit speed and/or put monthly cap is the wireless part. Placing a Netflix data center within a carrier's facility won't save them more than say, 1% of the total cost of delivering the video. It's marginal. So the small startup with a single server for the whole world can still compete, in theory.

    3. Re:A bit hypocritical by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Net neutrality is a dead man walking. I'm sure it will be repealed in very short order.

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  8. New ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New ways? Since when are brandwidth throttling and traffic shaping new?

    Providers will do what's most profitable. If jacking up prices and throttling connections is cheaper than improving the infrastructure, that's what they will do.

  9. They have a LOT of great shows but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry. I stick with my pc. Maybe if the monthly rate goes down to $20/month (or less) I'll consider lugging around a cumbersome "phone".

  10. Isn't this a thing already by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    T-Mobile has done this at 1.5mbps for quite a while.

    ATandT does 3mbps

    Sprint I think has a similar too.

    This seems like a pretty safe assumption, since it's been happening for a while and is currently expanding.

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  11. Funny by lapm · · Score: 1

    How primitive, in my country we dont have datacaps on mobile data, so i can watch my existing netflix just fine... Might have something to do with market that actually works for best solutions to consumers..

  12. If you make video unlimited... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

    If you make video unlimited, you might as well just make all data unlimited. Video is the thing that's using data already. Everything else (for the majority of people) is incidental.

  13. should be from the good-luck-with-that dept. by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    I mean really is there ever such a thing as unlimited smooth action video that does not cost lotsa bux. Sure there are times when watching some cutesy youtube clip for 90 seconds but what about watching full 90 minutes of a fascinating documentary (like what they used to show on broadcast TV) without it always pausing (and 90 minutes becomes 5 hours). Or streaming an activity i.e. Parachute Mobile mission where video is very basic 340 size but for the whole day. This has been done because one of our people has grandfathered unlimited data from years ago, his cellular service keeps asking for him to "upgrade."

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  14. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait.... Is'nt this called cable TV?

    1. Re:Wait... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's not priced like cable TV. Yet.

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    2. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Streaming services to cover the channels I actually watch run roughly the same as my cable bill.

    3. Re:Wait... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC to make that work for wireless the hardware needs to be upgraded.
      Each user of the service has to have enough of the network to the tower for 24/7 use at a set speed.
      So the network to the tower might need some work.
      If one tower was used to offer voice and some data to many users, more towers might be needed so all users can enjoy a 24/7 service per device.
      Towers that got designed to share voice and very limited data plans will need work.
      After the towers get upgraded, a new network can be offered.
      How much free cash is floating around to upgrade all the US wide networks, upgrade towers and build a lot of new towers that are ready for 24/7 use?

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  15. A "two-tear system"? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    Well, that would be a considerable improvement from the number of tears induced by existing plans.

    1. Re:A "two-tear system"? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Sir, you misread what he meant.

      And, No, I am not suggesting he meant a two-tier system.

      Two-tear is correct as you say. But you went in the wrong direction. He did not mean crying was reduced to two single tears. Rather, he meant that the new wireless plans will make you cry twice. Thus increasing the tears.

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    2. Re:A "two-tear system"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Predictably, this is the editing quality you should expect when an advertising company buys a nerd site. The next natural evolution is for the ads to start taking up a third of the screen. Just wait, any second now...

  16. Unfortunately, math amd physics say no by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > I'd like to see wireless data buckets being large enough so that most people don't need home internet.

    Unfortunately, the math and physics are such that won't happen. Not if people want to stream HD video for hours at a time. Basically the only way to make it appear as though you had that would be for the ISP to install a wifi access on each house (or two) and pretend it's not home internet service. The cost would still be the same, the only difference would be the ISP owns the access point - but they still have to run a cable to your house.

    The issue is, to have sufficient range, the radio signals need to be below a certain frequency, around 1 Ghz or so. Higher frequencies such as 10 Ghz don't go through walls, etc. So wireless internet needs channels of say 1.0-1.1 Ghz. BUT that channel, 1 Ghz to 1.1 Ghz, is 0.1 Ghz wide. The "bandwidth" is 100 Mhz. The bandwidth in megahertz limits the bandwidth in bytes per second. We used to say that a channel with 100 Mhz bandwidth could carry no more than 100 Mbps of data (minus overhead of about 15%-20% means 80 Mbps in 100 Mhz). There's a trick that can triple that rate, and maybe a bit more, so figure 240 Mbps for everyone on that frequency range.

    The frequency range of very roughly 1Ghz-2Ghz or so is the one that can go a reasonable distance, so it ALL of our medium to long range communication that needs decent bandwidth has to squeeze into that range. For example, GSM phones can operate at 900 Mhz, 1,800 Mhz, and 1,900 Mhz.

    Voice-only radio and some other lower bandwidth uses can be at lower frequencies, but basically that 1-2Ghz band is where everyone wants to be, not just for wireless internet. So we can set aside the three GSM frequencies of 900/1,800/1,900 for wireless "phones". If each provider in an area gets one of those frequency ranges, and each frequency range has 100 Mbps of bandwidth, that means the provider has 100 Mbps to divide up between all of their customers in the area. In this respect, physics is a bitch.

    * Yes I oversimplified things, but this post is long enough without going into more detail.

  17. It does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... TV series and movies on mobile devices.

    I see television networks are advertising their streaming services for consumption on mobile devices. But there's no incentive for ISPs to reduce the price; the markup on mobile internet is highly profitable.