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Litebook Launches A $249 Linux Laptop (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: It's "like a Chromebook for Linux users on a budget," reports ZDNet. The new 2.9-pound Litebook uses Intel's Celeron N3150 processor and ships with a 14.1-inch display and a 512-gigabyte hard drive with full HD resolution (1,920 x 1,080). For $20 more they'll throw in a 32-gigabyte SSD to speed up your boot time. "Unlike Windows laptops, Litebooks are highly optimized, come without performance hogging bloatware, [are] designed to ensure your privacy, and are entirely free of malware and viruses," writes the company's web site. They also add that their new devices "are affordable, customizable, and are backwards compatible with Windows software."

157 comments

  1. 512 gigabyte hard drive? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Don't you mean 500GB? AFAIK there's no 512GB mechanical HDD.

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    1. Re:512 gigabyte hard drive? by guacamole · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fact, there is no mechanical HDD with full HD resolution (1,920 x 1,080) either.

    2. Re:512 gigabyte hard drive? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Actually, 540GB, since HDD densities tend to be multiples of 6, while SSDs are powers of 2

  2. Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this? 2008?

    1. Re:Celeron? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      A current-gen Core i3-7100U costs ($281.00) more than this laptop.

      But Braswell is kinda old by now, superceded by Apollo Lake.

    2. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where the fuck are you getting your prices from? I bought an barebones Intel NUC with that CPU in it for approximately that price, so no way does an i3-7100U cost $281 unless Intel are giving away the NUC's for free.

    3. Re:Celeron? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2
    4. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those aren't real prices. Like AC above says, you can buy systems from Intel with similarly prices processors for almost the same price as what Intel lists for the processor. Those are either place-holder prices (just so that they can list a price in their literature), or the price that you would pay as a consumer to get one processor if you could buy one (which you can't).

    5. Re:Celeron? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Those are not actual prices, at least not the prices you get if you purchase. the mobile models are not purchasable by consumers directly so Intel don't bother with real prices on their website.

    6. Re:Celeron? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/se...

      seriously, 250$ does seem a tad expensive and non-newsworthy. you would probably be better off with a refurb elitebook with core i5.

      cheapest nucs are under 250, but celeron as well and really not that good value for money if you consider you can get a screen, battery and and keyboard for the same price too.

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    7. Re:Celeron? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, this is Linux were you do not need an ungodly amount of CPU power to do the simplest things...

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    8. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahhh yes of course, Linux magically makes Applications use less CPU cycles. Who gives a shit about the OS, even Windows it is a tiny fraction of the overall system usage unless you have a severely underspecced machine.

    9. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's it exactly. The Linux kernel is lighter weight, library linking is more efficient, and applications waste less time with operating system bloat. SPECint numbers would be the same, but we know that most of what makes you wait while loading an application isn't real computation it's that applications are thrashing around because they are poorly written.

      Took me about 1-2 minutes to load an application on a Commodore 64. It also takes me about 30 seconds to 1 minutes to load a modern application on a modern PC. Yet the PC is easily 1000 times faster if you look at the integer performance and the I/O speeds of memory and peripherals. (a low end hard drive can push 80MByte/s. (C64's standard floppy routines can move 512 Bytes / second)

    10. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL absolute bullshit. Most apps have similar performance on Linux or windows or OSX, the OS overhead in all of them is an insignificant portion of the processing. As for you comparing Apple to fucking horses with you dumb arse commodore 64 argument, are you fucking kidding me? if you try and run the equivalent code that was running on your commodore 64 even on the piece of shit hard mentioned in this article it would take a fraction of a split second to launch.

    11. Re:Celeron? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      No, it's actually more that Microsoft wields weapons-grade incompetence deftly enough to make everything use so many more CPU cycles that it just makes Linux seem like magic.

    12. Re:Celeron? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      More like Microsoft uses extra CPU cycles to do the same thing. Seriously I've got the fastest computer I've ever owned at work, and the frigging Outlook on is slow, takes a couple seconds to delete an email. It seems that the faster computers get the slower the applications get.

    13. Re:Celeron? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Clearly you don't realize it, but you just basically re-stated his point without getting the point. Hilarious.

    14. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps you somehow misread it. what he wrote claiming that the Linux kernel is lighter weight, that is blatantly wrong to start with but then he goes on to claim that apps will run faster on Linux which is also false and claims that basically this is because of windows bloat (even though the apps don't actually run faster on Linux).

    15. Re:Celeron? by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away.

    16. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your Outlook connects to your Exchange Server over LAN, then there are a lot of factors like LAN latency and server load which could make your experience slow.
          On my standalone machine where outlook is installed, everything works fine and loads/delete msgs within microseconds.

    17. Re:Celeron? by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Informative
      I know it's unpopular here in slashdot, but Celerons are awesome. Well, awesome to a certain extent. You need to know what you use them for. First of all, you need to know there are two types of Celerons. Those based on Atom technology and those based on Core technology. Guess which ones you want to avoid? Yes, indeed.. You don't want the Atom based ones.

      Fortunately, in the mobile space, this is easy to determine. Look at the model number: if it starts with a letter, it's based on Atom. Just don't buy it. However, if it starts with a a number (may, but not must have a trailing letter), you are looking at Core based Celerons. Those are actually, very good. They make decent desktops for light users. Sure, you're not going to do some heavy CAD/CAM on them or high-end gaming, but for someone doing Office work they are fine. I have a user running a database on it (for specialized software related to his farm), and I have a Celeron running as a Xen host with a few light-use VMs on them. Works fine.

      For desktop Celerons, I am not completely sure how to identify the lame Atom ones. From what I remember, if the model number starts with a "J", avoid them.

      Now, of course, the described laptop is an Atom based one... So, I wouldn't buy it.

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    18. Re:Celeron? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Linux is not magic, it is just (mostly) solid engineering. You are spot-on about Microsoft though. I mean it has gotten so bad that they are not implementing a "gaming mode" in Win10 to reduces all the inefficiencies. Who has ever heard of such a thing in a decent OS?

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    19. Re:Celeron? by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Then please explain to me why Thunderbird connecting to a Linux server (over WAN, no less) does not seem to have that issue?

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    20. Re:Celeron? by hey! · · Score: 1

      it is a tiny fraction of the overall system usage unless you have a severely underspecced machine.

      Uh... isn't that the point here? How many CPU cycles you need to have to burn before your system isn't "severely underspecced"?

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    21. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Linux IMAP/POP3/SMTP server you're connecting to has a lower load than the Exchange server Darinbob's work PC is using?

      I had to use Exchange + Outlook at my last job, and the performance was fine.

    22. Re:Celeron? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Across an MPLS network to a remote facility, Four hops away of equipment that I touch, unknown number of devices for the MPLS provider, the end-device is 100BaseTX:

      ~$ ping 10.8.4.101
      PING 10.8.4.101 (10.8.4.101) 56(84) bytes of data.
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=1.04 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=1.00 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=0.970 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=1.01 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=5 ttl=60 time=1.02 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.4.101: icmp_seq=6 ttl=60 time=1.05 ms
      ^C
      --- 10.8.4.101 ping statistics ---
      6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5006ms
      rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.970/1.019/1.058/0.046 ms

      Across another MPLS network, this time a colocated facility six hops away, including a crappy as hell mode-conditioning link because 2500' of multimode direct-bury fiber is expensive to replace:

      ~$ ping 10.8.21.102
      PING 10.8.21.102 (10.8.21.102) 56(84) bytes of data.
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=1.26 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=1.22 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=1.22 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=1.16 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=5 ttl=60 time=1.21 ms
      64 bytes from 10.8.21.102: icmp_seq=6 ttl=60 time=1.28 ms
      ^C
      --- 10.8.21.102 ping statistics ---
      6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5006ms
      rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.163/1.230/1.286/0.044 ms

      Tell us again how LAN latency would even be a factor.

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    23. Re:Celeron? by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 2

      I just want to add that I agree wholeheartedly with you. I run a Celeron N3150 as a PFSense firewall... seriously overkill for that job, but it runs fanless and just plugs happily away day after day without a hitch. It does get somewhat toasty at times when there's a lot going on (I run Snort and various other services on the box so it can get up there sometimes) but even at high temps it seems to be really stable and usable.

      I did put Linux on it at first and had the Ubuntu desktop running on it... very slick and fast with 8GB of RAM. Definitely no slouch of a machine.

    24. Re:Celeron? by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      No the OP, but I'll spell it out for you:

      I can install Linux AND update it in less than a half hour. This includes installing all my desktop apps.

      I have NEVER had Linux run 100% disk usage for 35 minutes after booting by something called "CompatTelRunner.exe"

      The last brand new Windows 10 laptop I set up (three weeks ago) out of the box after creating the new account ran for hours and hours sucking all bandwidth available in a low bandwidth home for Windows Updates. I could not pause or stop this insanity so I could download and install Chrome and an Antivirus of choice. I had to leave it with instructions of "call me when it finishes the updates and I'll come back and finish setting it up for you."

      I have worked on many Windows 7 machines which prior to Summer 2016 would run 100% CPU on one core for hours (sometimes days if far enough behind) to get the current updates.

      My Linux installs do not take 5 minutes to boot because they lack things like Adobe Updater Startup Utility, Acro Tray, Java Platform Updater, Send to OneNote, and all the various speedlauncher autostarts to mask the true amount of time it takes a program to really startup when clicked.

      I have been given systems to fix one small problem only to wonder how in Hell the owner ever used such a slug of a machine. I would have junked something that ran like that. It's not the Windows Kernel. It's all the shit that comes along with it. Those equivalent applications may run with similar performance on a clean system, but very few Windows machines are lean and clean. And God help you if Windows decides it needs updates then-and-there and whatever you want be damned.

    25. Re:Celeron? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      I built a J1900 based desktop for my mother in law. I personally wasn't all that convinced for desktop usage of that one. The N3150 and the J1900 are quite comparable. I used to run Ubuntu desktops on Atoms (notably the 330, D425, and the D525), but it turned out the graphic chipset got less and less well supported over time and they became slugs. That's where my dislike of anything Atom based comes from. From what I know the newer Celerons get true Intel Graphics, which is why I tried the J1900 for my mother in laws machine. Perhaps it's just the 4GB RAM and it using a classic HDD, but I wouldn't like to use it on a daily basis. (Turns out, neither does she... so, meh...)

      Of course, for firewall any modern Celeron will do. I guess that the Atom based ones even have an edge because they have more cores. Depending on what deamons you run, that might turn out better than Core based ones that are pretty much all Dual Core without Hyperthreading.

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    26. Re: Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. I think you need to put down the windows flavored koolaid for a while.

    27. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bigger issue with the i3-7100u is the TDP - typical is 51W vs 6W for the N3150. Both heat and battery life are potential problems with that part. While others have solved the problem, doing so here may be beyond their engineering budget, time to market, or the consumer price point.

    28. Re:Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Linux installs do not take 5 minutes to boot because they lack things like Adobe Updater Startup Utility, Acro Tray, Java Platform Updater, Send to OneNote, and all the various speedlauncher autostarts to mask the true amount of time it takes a program to really startup when clicked.

      Sounds like you don't know how to configure Windows.

      Or you're using an OEM installation, which is even worse.

      Either way, if you install it right, you will get much better results.

      Please update your rant when you're comparing apples to apples---a clean install by a competent user.

    29. Re:Celeron? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      A properly set up Windows machine will not take minutes to boot, especially if you have an SSD to boot from. (Unless you have a system that simply doesn't have enough RAM. In that case, buy more if you can.) One key is to disable most of those automatic updaters and the programs that want to go resident at boot time. I keep the updaters for Java and Flash and turn off the rest; the latter will be able to go soon and the former is only important because I run development tools like Eclipse that use it.

      Windows Update, on the other hand, is a genuine nightmare. If you plug in a brand new computer that has been on the shelf for a few months before you buy it, you're likely to be facing a process that will take hours and require multiple reboots. First, you might need to receive an update to Windows Update itself. Next you have to receive enough updates to be eligible to receive the latest build (Windows 10 terminology, sort of analogous to the old Service Packs), probably followed by a reboot. Then you receive the build; installing that takes THREE reboots though it's all automatic. Then you will probably receive some updates after the installation of the new build, possibly followed by another reboot. And any bundle of patches may include one that requires a DOUBLE reboot because it installs something at kernel level; the system has to reboot, perform an update in Safe Mode, and then reboot again.

      If you have an older computer with a version of Windows before Windows 10 and have to reinstall from the installation media it's even worse. That one may involve some initial patches, a service pack, and multiple gigabytes of additional updates because the last service pack for your version of Windows came out a long time ago. (Before Windows 7 it could have even involved installation of MULTIPLE service packs, but Windows 7 made them cumulative.) And all the downloading of updates is unreasonably slow even on a fast connection. I have seen the entire process take 8 hours or more.

      And after all of that is done, there is still the little matter of getting updates for your applications. Microsoft's own applications get handled by Windows Update, but everybody else's have their own separate processes that are all over the map. Some have boot-time updaters, some check for updates when you launch them or in the background, and some do nothing at all and count on you to visit the software company's web site from time to time. Device drivers might get updated by Windows Update, by an updater from your computer manufacturer, or by an updater from the maker of the device.

      Over on Linux everything is much simpler and faster. ALL the updates are handled by a single program: OS, bundled applications, and third party applications. Downloading them is faster than on Windows, and you only need one reboot.

      There are rare Linux updates that involve more than one cycle; they involve updating a very old computer. If you have something from a long way back that is running Ubuntu 10.04 and you want to move to 16.04, you would have to update to 12.04 and then 14.04 before you could go to 16.04. At that point it's probably easier to do a clean install of the new version. And if you ever have to do a clean reinstall of Linux (failure of the boot drive, perhaps) there is no reason to start with the version that was first installed on the computer; just start with the new one.

    30. Re: Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On black Friday, I was getting this processor with 32GB emmc and 14" screen for $249 (not 1080p). $299 regular price (with free carry case and mouse). This was also Canadian, so probably $200-220 usd.

      They can take one of these being sold with win10 and load linux and still make $50 or more per box.

    31. Re: Celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the whole point? You have to know what you are doing to get winblows to run well. Hey isn't that what you people always say about Linux?

  3. I wih I'd known two years ago. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    I bought a Toshiba laptop, wiped the Hard Drive of Windows 8. Upon powering it on without giving it a chance to boot, and installed Linux to it. Cost me about $320 Total.

    1. Re:I wih I'd known two years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I did something very similar. It looks nice and I get some cred from my friends for being hardcore techy. Every once in a while I dust it off to make sure it still boots since it doesn't run any of the apps I need to use in my day to day job.

    2. Re:I wih I'd known two years ago. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I did the same thing with an Acer netbook in the same price class. Only I had to let it boot windows once to find out where the POS UEFI bios stores the boot-loader (not the standard location), and then removed the windows one and put the Linux one in there. Works fine ever since.

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    3. Re:I wih I'd known two years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      condom anyone?

    4. Re:I wih I'd known two years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you've been Dairy Queen where they sell chocolate dipped ice cream cones. Homosexuals don't consider the sex act over until somebody gets to lick off the "candy coating" . Among normal people this is taboo. But part of the kick for being a homosexual is breaking taboos.

      Most psychiatrists attribute the cause of homosexuality as acting out against a domineering mother and a milquetoast father. That is why eating feces (or as psychiatrists call it coprophagia) is so much a part of being a homosexual. It is a way to shock the ever present ghost of mama which hangs over them all of their lives.

      So to answer your question, homosexuals consider the oral removal of residual feces from the penis as the most desirable way to cleanse the member.

    5. Re:I wih I'd known two years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how people can tolerate this disgusting pseudo-psychology. It's more grotesque than any physical acts I've seen or heard about.

  4. celeron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hopefully something better becomes available....

  5. Some Thoughts by youngone · · Score: 1
    1. The pictures are all of a white laptop. No-one who has ever owned a white laptop buys another one.
    2. I bet one whole dollar they never sell a red one.
    3. Oh, elementary OS? That's the buggiest, least stable distro I've tested in the last 5 years or so, no thanks.
    4. It's about the same price as any low cost laptop I can buy with those specs. I hope this does really well, but I suspect it won't.
    1. Re:Some Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have owned a white laptop (Asus EEE 900A), and have no problem with buying another (as I have, a Lenovo 110S Ideapad).

      Anyway, I have an issue with low-cost laptops - it's not always easy to load a FreeBSD distro and have everything work. At the moment I'm using a refurb'd T430 (with FreeBSD), and am quite happy with it (apart from the weight, maybe).

    2. Re:Some Thoughts by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      The price isn't good because of a little fact that Linux fanboys don't want to admit after making the falsehood a meme....in reality there is NO Windows tax, its in fact a tax BREAK because the OEMs get paid by third parties to put their trialware into the OS. This is why MSFT has been selling trialware free PCs in their store and offering Windows for certain designs (such as 7in convertibles) at lower prices or even free with the stipulation that there is no trialware as it slows Windows down.

      Speaking of convertibles,has anybody had any luck installing Linux on one? Because I've seen 10 inch Intel Atom quad convertibles going for as little as $89 and if you could get a really light Linux like Puppy on one of those? That would be a kick ass netbook/tablet to have around. I know Puppy on my 2011 AMD netbook is crazy fast and its just a dual core (albeit with a decent AMD GPU) so having a quad version that is also a touchscreen tablet? Would be seriously awesome.

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    3. Re:Some Thoughts by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      The pictures are all of a white laptop. No-one who has ever owned a white laptop buys another one.

      Are you forgetting about thousands of iBook/early MacBook owners?

    4. Re:Some Thoughts by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      1. The pictures are all of a white laptop. No-one who has ever owned a white laptop buys another one.

      I had a white laptop in for repair the other day, it had black keys.

      Using it was like looking at this

      http://distractify-media-prod....

      Horrific design choice.

    5. Re: Some Thoughts by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      Dell will take off around $80 if you forgo Windows when they allow the option.

    6. Re:Some Thoughts by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      So by your reasoning, it's a tax "break" because your time wasted with dealing with crapware is worth nothing?

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    7. Re:Some Thoughts by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The pictures are all of a white laptop. No-one who has ever owned a white laptop buys another one.

      I'm posting this from my white eee 900. I'd buy an updated one if they had it (in white).

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    8. Re:Some Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The price isn't good because of a little fact that Linux fanboys don't want to admit after making the falsehood a meme....in reality there is NO Windows tax, its in fact a tax BREAK because the OEMs get paid by third parties to put their trialware into the OS.

      You are confused. Money goes to Microsoft: thus there _is_ a 'Microsoft tax'. If third parties pay the OEMs to install their software that does _not_ stop money going to Microsoft.

    9. Re:Some Thoughts by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Sigh, are you REALLY this dense or are you just trolling? Its a tax break FOR THE OEMS who then pass the savings onto YOU in the form of lower prices...is that really too hard to understand?

      And it is trivial to forgo the tax break, most OEMs do offer a "clean PC" option these days and all the PCs in the MSFT store are 100% vanilla Windows...and guess what? They cost around $80 more because they are no longer getting that money from the trialware providers! Capitalism, what a concept, huh?

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  6. Re: Where's the "stuff that matters"? by fubarrr · · Score: 1

    >Richard Simmons has reportedly not been seen for over 1000 days, people! Possibly being held captive by his staff!
    >We MUST get to the bottom of this, my fellow slashdotters!

    Bennet Haselton has reportedly not been seen for over 1000 days, people! Possibly being held captive by anonymous cowards!
    We MUST get to the bottom of this, my fellow slashdotters!

  7. FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2017 and still solving the same fucking problems for the last 10 years

    unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw

    FUCK YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS

    1. Re:FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you didn't read the manual.
      You can read, cant you?

    2. Re:FUCK LINUX by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

      2017 and still solving the same fucking problems for the last 10 years

      This is not true at all. Now with systemd there's a whole new set of problems.

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    3. Re:FUCK LINUX by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Maybe you failed to install that one? You know, if you do not install drivers in Windows, you get much the same problem...

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    4. Re:FUCK LINUX by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, it is still quite optional unless you want Gnome.

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    5. Re:FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you didn't read the manual.
      You can read, cant you?

      I CAN'T FUCKING READ THE FUCKING MANUAL

    6. Re:FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Tell my how to install any RHEL 7 lookalike with the old init system.

    7. Re:FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real men don't ask directions or read the manual. You'd know that if you were one.

    8. Re:FUCK LINUX by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      If you are someone who needs RHEL, why do you care what init system it uses? Has it hurt you in some way?

    9. Re:FUCK LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not linux's fault you bought a slaveware nic. plus, it probably works just fine if you knew what the hell you were doing. It's probably easy too. you're just a natural windows user. take your ass back to the land of the lost, fuckhead.

  8. I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    They buried the lead. The article mentions a much more exiting low-end ARM64 laptop called the Pinebook. Does that actually exist yet, or is it still vaporware? Anyone seen/touched one in the wild?

    1. Re:I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      *exciting

    2. Re:I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      The launch was delayed due to supplier issues, this time to around March 20. Prototypes exist (photos: 1 2 3) and were sent to a bunch of involved people who are working on mainlining the drivers. The thing will ship with a smelly OS and smelly 3.10 vendor kernel, but near-mainline is basically working: only sound is missing, display currently only simplefb, proper DRM is being worked on.

      (I'm merely watching #pine64, I'll try to make proper Debian installer (instead of mere dd-able images) once I get a Pinebook in my hands, but I'm only peanut gallery for now.)

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      The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
    3. Re:I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pinebook is the worst 720p laptop screen bolted to an ARM processor with no hardware acceleration. At least this thing says its a 1080p screen with a decent amount of ram and decent processor.

    4. Re:I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      At least this thing says its a 1080p screen with a decent amount of ram and decent processor.

      And almost 3x the price tag. And backdoored CPU you can't replace the IME for (Pinebook allows loading your own TrustZone code). And a noisy mechanical disk, probably the CPU needs a fan as well.

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    5. Re:I'm more interested in the Pinebook, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dwarf Fortress hasn't been built for ARM. x86 or nothin'.

  9. Breakthrough by greencfg · · Score: 1

    Wow, this is revolutionary! A Full HD hard drive is a great achievement! Can you post a picture? Please?....

    1. Re:Breakthrough by Megane · · Score: 1

      Where are you going to put your porn if the HD is already full?

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  10. details and nits by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    the SSD "upgrade" is in place of the HDD. No other HDD options, so you have to buy ANOTHER HDD if you want 1TB or 2TB and install it yourself I assume its a 9mm bay+sled that wont accommodate an older 12mm 2.5 larger capacity drive. Does any body make a 2.5 9mm drive with combined/integrated 16/32/64 GB SSD?.

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    1. Re:details and nits by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      There are hybrid SSHDs - they combine a small SSD (32 or 64 GB) and a larger (500 or 1000 GB) hard drive. The only issue is that they're not visible as two separate devices, the SSD acts as a cache to the HDD, caching frequently accessed blocks.

    2. Re:details and nits by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      yeah a separately mountable partition would be preferred, maybe even mirrored to the HD portion for safety, remembering a mirror is not a backup. Hmm, maybe a LTO 6/tape carousel/SSHD meta hybrid, that aint gonna fit in a laptop bay

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  11. Re:Where's the "stuff that matters"? by Anomalyst · · Score: 0

    I think he is being held incommunicado by DHS under Trumps immigration ban after returning from a tour of the EU

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  12. shit performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No windows bloat, instead they give you a piece of junk hardware that will make it seem like the machine is full of bloatware and virus's.

    1. Re:shit performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virus's what?

  13. The idea is that the drivers work by tepples · · Score: 0

    From the featured article:

    The Litebook ships with the Elementary OS flavor of Linux, though you can install an alternate that uses the Linux kernel 4.8.

    The idea is that this laptop is warranted to run Linux and X.Org X11, as opposed to some other Windows-focused laptop models that end up suffering serious problems due to missing or broken drivers. So you'd remain within spec if you installed something more mainstream, such as Xubuntu.

    1. Re:The idea is that the drivers work by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Atom drivers for graphics finally working correctly? Color me true! And in 3D, preferably.

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  14. What kind of budget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, I don't get it. FTA It's "like a Chromebook for Linux users on a budget" if your budget is more than a Chromebook which are widely available for as little as $129, and most are $199. Heck, 14" windows laptops are pretty easy to find (similarly speced) for about the same price or less (as cheap as $179 for a Celeron N3050) and it takes minutes to wipe the drive and in stall the Linux of choice. Where is the breakthrough here?

    1. Re:What kind of budget? by tepples · · Score: 1, Troll

      The breakthrough is that you can run applications other than a web browser. To do so on a Chromebook requires putting it into developer mode. And once you've done that, anybody who turns it on can wipe the drive by pressing Space then Enter within 30 seconds of turning it on, causing you to lose all work that hasn't been backed up yet as well as the use of the device until you can reload your developer mode distribution. You can skip the 30-second interstitial by pressing Ctrl+D, but someone else who turns it on doesn't know that.

    2. Re:What kind of budget? by lucm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where is the breakthrough here?

      You can glue an Apple logo on it and nobody at Starbucks will be able to tell that it's not a Macbook, as long as you pick blurry fonts and remember not to maximize windows.

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  15. Pine not Wine by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    Last I heard of Pinebook on Slashdot was a comment by vux984 mentioning it in passing.

    But one disadvantage of switching from x86 and x86-64 to ARM and AArch64 is inability to run the occasional Windows application in Wine. My work flow includes a few Windows applications distributed as free software, such as FCEUX debugging version, FamiTracker, and Modplug Tracker. All are usable in Wine, even on a dinky little Atom CPU. If you go ARM, you're on your own recompiling them for linking with Winelib.

    1. Re:Pine not Wine by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I can't let a mentioning of Wine slip by without also pointing to the commercial version by CodeWeavers. I'm not currently running Linux on the desktop, but if you're a freelancer like me, it's VERY helpful to have Microsoft Office running reliably and out of the box.

      No shares in the company, just love their product and the fact that they heavily commit to Wine.

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    2. Re:Pine not Wine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off all get rid of modplug and get this http://schismtracker.org/

      The oldskool mod trackers were way better.

    3. Re:Pine not Wine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In theory, qemu can do user mode emulation to run x86 or x86-64 wine, and run applications directly (without recompiling with winelib), but I have no idea how well that works in practice. I tried it once with a friend's PPC mac in about 05, to try to get a game running, but the result was too slow/buggy to be useful at the time.

  16. News for Nerds my ass! by AchilleTalon · · Score: 0

    News for Nerds my ass! Fucking lame thread, kill it now!

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    1. Re:News for Nerds my ass! by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      Nuke it from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

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    2. Re:News for Nerds my ass! by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      It's an ad in disguise, it's not news at all.

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    3. Re: News for Nerds my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckin' A.

      RIP Bill.

  17. Privacy? by Sebby · · Score: 1

    come without performance hogging bloatware, [are] designed to ensure your privacy,

    Isn't that the Skype icon I see in the dock?

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  18. 4 gig ram? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 Gig of Ram, what is this, 2003?

  19. Get a refurbished ThinkPad by ArhcAngel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have always used a ThinkPad that is off lease and verified. Newegg has a host of models listed between $200-$300. And the ThinkWiki will help you with the particulars if you aren't familiar with the model you get.

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    1. Re:Get a refurbished ThinkPad by LVSlushdat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do the same thing, but with Dell offlease Latitudes/Precisions.. Currently using a Latitude E5410 with 8Gb of ram, an i3 processor, and Kubuntu 14.04.. Works like a champ...

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    2. Re:Get a refurbished ThinkPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    3. Re:Get a refurbished ThinkPad by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      bought an old HP EliteBook, i7, 8 GB ram with SSD a couple of years ago (was around 200$ as well) and installed Ubuntu.
      Still runs great, no plans to switch just yet.

  20. Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hello I'm one of the creators of the Litebook, and I'm here to address a few of the comments. The Hard Drive formats to 500GB, but is advertised by the supplier as a 512GB Device.

    The SSD is not a replacement for the standard drive or a hybrid mechanical Hard Drive. Its a separate 32GB drive and is seen as such by the operating system.

    Skype is not a preinstalled application. We include pictures of it to show Windows Users that the applications they are familiar with will run on the Litebook.

    Thank You,

    The Litebook Team

    1. Re:Litebook Comments by pdxtabs · · Score: 2

      I assume that the RAM is soldered to the motherboard? What Wi-Fi module are you using? These would be good things to add to the website. Either way I am happy to see this in the marketplace. I'm typing this on a Dell XPS 13 but not everyone has $950 to spend on a laptop.

    2. Re:Litebook Comments by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Why bother with having a mechanical hard drive? You should have included SSD by default. The laptop is already using a weak CPU no need to make the situation worse by having it work off a mechanical hard drive.

    3. Re:Litebook Comments by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      separate SSH is good, thank you, the price delta is reasonable and affordable.
      Additional, larger HD options would be nice. Is it a 9mm or 12mm bay height?
      Does it take a bare drive or require an expensive hard to get replacement sled?
      A good Linux laptop would allow a quick/easy drive swap to experiment with different distributions without putting a working boot layout at risk to alpha/beta quality releases.
      Dis/re-assembly with teeny-tiny screws for swapping drives is such a pain in the petuti.
      In such case as screws which mysteriously evaporate when they reach ground level, are half a dozen spare screws of each size for the entire laptop provided or can they be added for a $1 to the initial order?
      A spare drive with a bootable TAILS partition would be a double plus.

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    4. Re:Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No offense but why were such poor decisions made for drives and CPU, at the price point chosen their are far better laptop options for Linux that are either cheaper or perform better. This thing seems to just be a series of compromises without any benefit from those compromises.

    5. Re:Litebook Comments by Skinkie · · Score: 1

      The website mentions the Asus Chromebook as competitor but isn't the Toshiba Chromebook 2 (CB30-B-104) the device to compare against with respect to price, weight, features, resolution?

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    6. Re:Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kudos. A couple of questions:

        - Libreboot/Coreboot? (I guess out of the question, but hey)
        - RAM fixed? (I'd be willing to pay more for a 4GB version)
        - Available in EU?

      Thanks for the hard work. It's the likes of you who make the world a better place.

    7. Re:Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got a cam and presumably a mic too. Post-snowden that shit makes me real nervous. Optic Nerve is the name of the program...

      I wish it was external. Just unplugging the fuckin' thing is the best security after all.

    8. Re:Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad it's too big. I am still looking for a replacement for my EEE...
      > 10" (maybe 11" would still work) is no-go, don't have space for that in my on-board luggage.
      Don't care for a HDD, a 32 GB SDD alone would be more than enough (can always carry USB sticks or SD cards).
      Reflective screen is a no-go (that part isn't even considered worth mentioning what it has!).
      4 GB RAM is ok, though non-upgradable means it's just the same my 10 year old EEEpc has, and at least it has a couple of connectors.
      It just never feels like you get the price's worth of upgrades out of any of these notebooks nowadays.

    9. Re:Litebook Comments by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      A low end, small SSD might be not that great (perhaps it's an eMMC chip that's optional, perhaps it's an mSATA), for reliable writes and swapping.

      Not to mention the HDD is over 15x bigger!
      Quite simply, netbooks took off when they replaced the 4GB and 8GB SSD-lite things with a 160GB (later 250GB) hard drive. The upgrade to 1024x600 resolution helped as well. Many bought them as their main computers, e.g. students who couldn't afford a $1000 laptop, which is all there was a couple years earlier.

      Some users won't install anything more than a web browser and maybe an IM app like Skype, and will make do with 32GB. But with a hard drive you cover more use cases. Even people who stream everything, but store 13 megapixel pictures on the computer without worrying or even knowing about disk space.
      Also, $20 is a nice "luxury" option, having / on 32GB, /home on 500GB (if done like that) is not bad (although if you simply do that, you'll have browser cache on HDD). Yes booting in 10 seconds instead of 30 seconds and launching a big program in 1 second instead of 5 seconds is convenience not essential functionality. You'll also wait on the cpu for packing/unpacking archives (program installation and updates) whether your disk is mechanical or not.

    10. Re:Litebook Comments by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Dunno if the size suits you, but HP makes 1366x768 11.6" laptop and I found the build quality was surprisingly not crappy.
      I don't know if the screen was reflective or not. Obviously not a really good one, but size makes it crisp and about good looking. I can't stand regular quality 14" and 15" laptop screens in general, I'd rather use a 1990s CRT.

      The particular laptop came with a 500GB HDD - you can always replace it with a 120GB desktop SSD (it's cheap and will be faster/reliable than a 32GB). It was perhaps made in 2014 (with a quad core Kabini AMD). AMD "Stoney Ridge" low-clocked CPU with amdgpu linux driver would be decent I think.

      Maybe they could make a high end ish laptop with a 10" 2560x1600 IPS LCD. This sort of screen is available for tablets (I hope so?). Industrial and commercial availability are what makes it possible, not technology. Sadly perhaps no vendor wants to come up with a PC laptop that's not 16:9.
      At least Cinnamon / Gnome 3 can use it as a virtual 1280x800 display of sorts. But for this I reckon Wayland needs to not be vaporware anymore, so as to reduce CPU load and make the graphics smoother. I.e. keep up with Windows Vista/7/8/10 and Android.

    11. Re:Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there is something suitable somewhere, especially amongst the used models, but I looked at HP in the past, and also now.
      What I can see is
      1) convertibles. Come with reflective touchscreen and are usually problematic for laptop use, though I haven't checked the reviews. The SSHD it comes with also seems not replaceable, at least that's what they write.
      2) Chromebooks. Only 16 GB SSDs, and NOT replaceable
      3) HP Stream, only 2GB RAM, not expandable, so it would be a downgrade.

      The one you describe MIGHT be suitable, but it won't be easy to find at least it seems.

    12. Re: Litebook Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm running my xps 13 on Mint 17, works like a champ once you download the right drivers. Dell support helped me dump Ubuntu too, also helped with video card issues (broadcom card). Thanks Dell. Still not Linux's year for general computing for grandma but good for us geeks lite.

    13. Re:Litebook Comments by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Hello I'm one of the creators of the Litebook, and I'm here to address a few of the comments

      Would you be prepared to comment on what would be required to get a 1kg laptop of any thickness? As someone with back trouble, I'm more concerned with weight than thickness (think e.g. eee 900).

      The Hard Drive formats to 500GB, but is advertised by the supplier as a 512GB Device.

      Are those both GB or was one GiB?

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    14. Re:Litebook Comments by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      FWIW they advertise a Stream with 4GB RAM, 32GB eMMC, and 802.11ac if you care about that. I would not like a toy with everything soldered but why not with you're okay with it. It would be good specs if t were a phone lol.

      The one I used was closer to this one but slightly newer I think (dual core 1.0GHz actually) and gray. They do not say too bad things about it.
      https://liliputing.com/2012/07...
      It's a nightmare to look for their ever changing laptop models, lol.
      Not exactly a feather, but perhaps the weight loss from removing the mechanical HDD is noticeable.

    15. Re:Litebook Comments by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why bother with having a mechanical hard drive?

      Why bother having such a low price?

  21. So much by puddingebola · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So much of the Linux laptop market seems to be targeted at the low end (current story), or the high end (Dell XPS Ubuntu developer edition). Only System 76 seems to offer anything middle of the road (core i3 for $700). Not really confident linux can get a foothold in a market with a Windows 10 laptop at every price point from top to bottom.

    1. Re:So much by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Not sure where this one is targeted though, too expensive compared to low end options and too underspecced for mid or high end. seems an all around fail.

    2. Re:So much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your willfully blind to other companies selling laptops then cause ThinkPenguin routinely has systems in the $500-$700 price range for basic configurations on up to $1200+ maxed out (TB SSD, PCIE SSDs, 32GB ram, etc). They'll also be coming out with EOMA68 computing devices that using non-X86 CPUs (initially low end based around ARM, but you'll find that ARM is quickly catching up with Intel/AMD, so the 2GB dual core card will be replaceable by a quad core 4GB card in 6-8 months from now and then continue to increase to the more powerful ARM CPUs in some modern cell phones provided a complete set of sources is forthcoming, of which there exist up to 8 core ARM CPUs) and are actually privacy friendly unlike Intel and AMD computers made in the past several years (2009 and 2013). These devices will be much better than the LibreBoot laptops because there is source code for keyboard and LCD firmware, no CPU micro code, a complete set of sources for the bootloader, and for that matter all other essential components (video acceleration, etc), etc.

    3. Re:So much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Linux had their chance to get a foothold when vista came out. And again when windows 8 came out. While Ubuntu did grow the the Linux user based quite a bit during Vista, all the distributions failed to capitalize on Windows 8. Now that Windows 10 is "free" and even pirates have been able to become legal it's hard to see Linux getting a foothold. UEFI also makes it a chore for newbies to install Linux. You'd have to sell a huge amount of pre-installed Linux boxes to ever get even a small foothold. Google are pretty much the only company with the resources to make that work. Maybe if Zuckerberg released a Linux box to compete against chromebook it would take off. None of these small companies will be able to make a difference.

    4. Re:So much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux had their chance to get a foothold when vista came out. And again when windows 8 came out.

      And again when windows 10 came out. And again when windows 11 comes out. And so on, every time Microsoft releases something where they just had to make something different just to be different from the previous release.

      You seem to be one of those thinking that linux has a "problem" or maybe even "lost the battle" because the windows world is bigger?.

      It is not like that at all. If linux people cared about market share, we would be advertising. We don't need a big (or even growing) market share because we aren't a company making money off linux. So it does not matter that many loosers go with microsoft. We use linux for our own sake, primarily. Linux works for us. There are enough users that we have a comprehensive set of applications, most of them of better quality & performance than windows counterparts. To quote the Beatles: "We left you far behind. The ruins of the life that you have in mind . . ."

      We are fine. If others want to join, we welcome them. If they don't, it is their problem, not ours. If they want to pay through the nose for software and then for upgrades, if they want to wait minutes for logon or bootup, if they want to use a platform with where viruses and similiar malware spread with such ease, if they want to believe it is somehow normal that "computers crash now and then" - it is only their problem.

      Linux has already "taken off", there are millions of users. We have our "foothold". It does not matter if we don't get to 'billions' within the decade. We are not a startup running at loss now and desperately needing to get return on investment a few years from now. It does not matter that the microsoft alternative is 50-100x bigger, because we're not competing on a business level. Perhaps Redhat do compete in business, but they wisely specialize in the server market. Where stability & performance outranks "brand recognition" or "user familiarity".

      When someone invest money in a copy of windows, that money is lost. They have a licence for a while, till support ends. When I invest some time in adding a feature to some linux software, the improvement is there forever. And the return on investment is all the improvements other people make to linux. It works for me. The user base is big enough that the portfolio of available software (including end-user software) keep growing - it does not matter if the user base grows further or not.

    5. Re:So much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you on ThinkPenguin. I think the success of EOMA68 is less certain. I hope like hell you're right, mind. But I'm less confident it will succeed.

    6. Re:So much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with your position. The freedoms that open source software provides are only relevant if a lot of the population uses them.

      If 0.2% of the population hosts their own email servers and uses GPG, governments can track all of our communications metadata closely just by filtering out GMail, Hotmail, and Yahoo.

      If 0.1% of the population uses Status.net, Diaspora, Friendica, etc... etc... then likewise we can be tracked just by filtering internet traffic for the people on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, etc...

      From the history of the world until maybe thirty or forty years ago, your banks and lenders had no clue what you did with your money. Today they know everything. Digital currency has the potential to fix that - though I'm not investing in it yet because (not to derail the discussion) Bitcoin has serious fundamental flaws and none of the alternatives have received the vetting that it has. But again, if SomeFutureCoin allows secure, anonymous, provable transactions but only 1 person in 1000 uses it and no vendor outside The Silk Road accepts it, it's useless to everyone.

      And for operating systems, this is most important of all. I only learned of Linux twenty years ago because I met people using it. How can it spread, and more people write software for it, if they don't have a lot of direct exposure to it? And to be clear, I mean Linux as a mostly open source software computing experience, not something like Android which 99% of users experience as dozens of proprietary applications on top of a Linux kernel.

    7. Re:So much by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      There are laptops that come with no OS at all (or FreeDOS, which is hardly an OS).
      Often mid range ones, i.e. those mundane ones with an RJ45 port and such. Surprise : regular laptops never stopped being built, they just don't make the news. The cheap ones even take 32GB RAM now, with the switch to plain DDR4 memory. Too bad, 15.6" 1600x900 doesn't exist anymore (not that it used to be the most common), which would have allowed to run an unscaled desktop without squinting at tiny text and icons.

      Um, yeah about the linux part. This might be your bet for a "linux laptop", albeit it doesn't actually comes with linux. I think the OEMs simply don't want to bear any responsibility or support cost. (as an aside, look how bad it is in the Android world)
      Distros have their own life cycles, even if OEMs wanted to ship a "safe", most mainstream distro. For example, main Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with linux 4.8 kernel : this might be a good bet for a vanilla, consumer oriented distro with lots of users on modern laptops. But this particular version was released less than a month ago ;)

    8. Re:So much by Trogre · · Score: 1

      As an interesting aside, the Dell XPS regular version works fine under Linux as of about two years ago (the WiFi driver was the missing piece). In fact it works better than under Windows 10, which seems unable to properly use its own port replicators.

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  22. Like a Chromebook? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    If I wanted a Chromebook to run Linux on, I'd just buy a Chromebook and flash the firmware. There's an Xubuntu-derived distro specifically for the purpose, too, GalliumOS.

    Wait, did I say I would do that? Let me correct myself. I already have. It runs Windows 10 the majority of the time, but it does have Gallium installed and bootable via rEFInd.

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  23. Maybe I should get into this business by mykepredko · · Score: 2

    What's so special about this laptop?

    If I go to Alibaba and search for "inexpensive linux laptop", I get 19k hits with products like:
    - https://www.alibaba.com/produc...
    - https://www.alibaba.com/produc...
    - https://www.alibaba.com/produc...

    The big thing seems to be an angle rather than technology (hardware or software).

    1. Re:Maybe I should get into this business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guaranteed hardware support out of the box... even if you are experienced in going through the motions, it's nice to be able to just install linux + easily found drivers and have it work without having to spend so much time doing a bunch of research and writing custom hardware configs and daemons to just make it behave reasonably. There are some non-linux advertised laptops that do this, but that's a lot less than 19k. Support the hardware companies that do this, hardware support is the most painful part of any OSS OS, and this will make it better for everyone.

    2. Re:Maybe I should get into this business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second link is a Via processor. These things were outdated the minute they were introduced 12 years ago, nevermind the absurdity of putting them in a modern machine. Unless you're going terminal only, avoid it. The other 2 are Core2 Duos, again a decade year old processor (or Core i3, i5, i7... it's pretty cagey what you're actually getting.) Finally, what's the battery life on these guys? I like my System76 laptop but it is absolutely pathetic on battery. I've been using an EEEPC X100 that I got years ago and is getting very slow for modern applications. The Litebook is exactly what I've been wanting. A Linux powered high portability office laptop with long battery life.

  24. Seriously? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google Chrome calls home. There are many alternatives easily available without Google's stalkware baked in.

    Skype is insecure spyware owned and operated by Microsoft with well known intercept capabilities. It runs and consumes bandwidth continuously whether your using skype or not.

    Spotify is spyware that automatically collects data about you and your friends just by logging on.

    Why is it that everyone selling to consumers offering privacy and no-bloat demonstrates the exact opposite? We won't preload heaps of shit except for the heaps of shit we preload.

    It's like all these companies selling "eco friendly" products that are anything but.

    There needs to be third party qualification program for security and privacy that actually meet specific articulable requirements. This wild west of everyone claiming they give a shit when in fact their actions demonstrate otherwise is worthless.

    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that everyone selling to consumers offering privacy and no-bloat demonstrates the exact opposite? We won't preload heaps of shit except for the heaps of shit we preload.

      Why? Because nobody ever does jail time for lying to consumers. Some times there are fines but they are too small compared to the profits.

    2. Re:Seriously? by johnsie · · Score: 1

      Tin-foil hat much?

    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There needs to be third party qualification program for security and privacy

      There is. The FSF endorses hardware
      http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom
      and software:
      https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

      Of course, there is much that doesn't fully live up to all their rules, so the lists are short.

    4. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to get mainstream consumers using Linux, you have to offer them something they want to use.

      I'm a dues-paying member of the Free Software Foundation, but look at their hardware and software recommendations. Imagine presenting them to regular consumers in a kiosk in Best Buy or Walmart. Taurinus X200 with Core 2 Duo and 1280x800 resolution. Tehnoetic S2 phone with Replicant and no bluetooth or GPS. Librejs. No Skype. No Chrome. No Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Angry Birds, Candy Crush, Amazon.com, Ebay, Spotify, Pandora, Dropbox, Google, Google Maps, GMail, Hotmail. No Steam, Minecraft, Call of Duty, Starcraft, Rocket League, Madden NFL, Super Mario Bros, Halo. How many sales do you really think you'll get?

      I'm afraid all available evidence is that when we the free software advocates stick to our guns, we hold a morally pure 0.00001% of the consumer computing market. No matter how righteous our cause, to the rest of the world we're the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. As best as I can tell, the only practical path forward is to meet people where they stand and then gently pull them towards our side.

    5. Re:Seriously? by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Obviously because those are programs people commonly use and would want on a new computer. Attitudes like that are why Linux is slow getting into the market.

    6. Re:Seriously? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      No Chrome. No Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Angry Birds, Candy Crush, Amazon.com, Ebay, Spotify, Pandora, Dropbox, Google, Google Maps, GMail, Hotmail. No Steam, Minecraft, Call of Duty, Starcraft, Rocket League, Madden NFL, Super Mario Bros, Halo. How many sales do you really think you'll get?

      Does Windows 10 come with any of these things?

      I'm afraid all available evidence is that when we the free software advocates stick to our guns, we hold a morally pure 0.00001% of the consumer computing market. No matter how righteous our cause, to the rest of the world we're the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. As best as I can tell, the only practical path forward is to meet people where they stand and then gently pull them towards our side.

      So does Windows come with any of these things? It isn't that these things should not be available or that I believe they universally must be viewed as bad by everyone. It is simply a matter of contrasting what the computer comes preloaded vs. claims made by vendor.

      I've been advocating for Linux to be a lot more friendly to allowing third party closed binary commercial software to be installed and run across a wide range of distros.

      As it stands if software isn't available from your favorite distros or you can't compile it yourself good luck getting something that works without insanely brittle dependencies or resorting to statically linking absolutely everything up to and including the kitchen sink.

      The whole model of software distribution relying on source code availability and solvers resolving complex dependencies before shit will even run is hopelessly broken in my view.

  25. Re:Where's the "stuff that matters"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard Simmons has reportedly not been seen for over 1000 days, people! Possibly being held captive by his staff!

    We MUST get to the bottom of this, my fellow slashdotters!

    Richard Simmons gave up, plain and simple. He loved his fat chicks with their sweaty additional crevices that they can never properly clean, and that sour milk smell of body odor they carry with them everywhere. He loved them dearly with all his heart. But nearly the whole nation of the USA has become a land of fat chicks and fat dudes with fat man boobs. Poor Simmons had to give up. Not even he could withstand the enormity and magnitude of the American brand of fatassery. Every man has his limits. Even Richard Simmons.

  26. Re: Where's the "stuff that matters"? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    and that sour milk smell of body odor they carry with them everywhere.

    You have an active imagination but they usually smell like shit due to an inability to reach their asses and wipe effectively.

  27. Microscopic touchpad, thanks to TV screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, the 16:9 TV aspect does not provide enough space for a keyboard and decent sized touchpad. To add insult to injury, the touchpad and keyboard are both significantly offset to the left, which could have been avoided if they put that extra column of keys on the other side. Where are the 3:2 notebooks? At these sizes, 16:9 simply does not afford enough vertical resolution for any use case besides TV.

    1. Re:Microscopic touchpad, thanks to TV screen by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      A couple company execs choosing the new aspect ratio on a whim in the 1980s or 1990s ruined it forever. It came down to one man agreeing to making something about half way between cinemascope and 4:3, but would he have pushed for 5:3, about 1.66.. and had the other guy agreed, the entire world would have been a bit different.
      16:9 is arguably a bit too wide for TV as well.

      Heck, I did see some dual LCD panel for VR on alibaba, one for each eye, with an aspect ratio of 1.2. This should give an idea about what the useful field of vision for one human eye is. 1.37 was an important historical ratio (even used on post-war French TV before switching to a PAL compatible standard)
      Now we've got a generation reaching age 21 right now with no attention span, perhaps because 16:9 TV is too wide and literally doesn't allow them to focus on the people in the little box.

  28. Re: Where's the "stuff that matters"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that sour milk smell of body odor they carry with them everywhere.

    You have an active imagination but they usually smell like shit due to an inability to reach their asses and wipe effectively.

    Same AC here. Maybe the fat chicks around here have a spray attachment for their shower so they can rinse their entire enormous asses. I don't know. I never did a survey. The ass is singular and a well known source of odor. Various additional crevices that normal people don't have, now those can be more elusive. Hence the sour milk smell. Note this does not rule out the additional smell of stale fecal matter.

    The amazing thing is that the human body can withstand remaining in that condition for so long. A reasonable amount of adipose is a good evolutionary hedge against leaner future times ... the American level of extra fat is just plain grotesque and excessive. The very worst part is the attitude of most American fatties. They think it's not their fault, and the definition of "fault" is: the result of their cumulative decision making. That's just fucking pitiful. But they defend this notion vigorously, as though they truly cherish it.

  29. Did I read the article right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It says there's no wifi.

    1. Re:Did I read the article right? by lobotomy · · Score: 1

      No, you didn't read it right. It says "no 802.11ac Wi-Fi", but it does have no 802.11n Wi-Fi.

  30. Re: Where's the "stuff that matters"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG!

    Simmons is Hazelton! Hazelton is Simmons!

  31. So they purged Intel ME by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Intel's Celeron N3150 processor ...
      are entirely free of malware

    I wouldn't be too sure about that claim if they're using a processor with Intel ME on it.

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  32. Take off your tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The number of people here crying about the software and hardware calling home is ridiculous. No one cares about the D&D website that you frequent. Get over yourself. No one is spying on you.

    1. Re:Take off your tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it has come to this. Lots of people don't fight "calling home"; but to not even get irritated by it? Considering it so normal that others waste their insignificant time when still complaining about it?

      Some of us care. And we don't use the products that 'call home'. You won't find us on facebook.

    2. Re:Take off your tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, you're not worth finding anyway. The rest of us in the real world are laughing at you during personalized commercial breaks.

  33. the state of insecurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    designed to ensure your privacy, and are entirely free of malware and viruses

    That's a pretty bold (and unrealistic) claim to make in the post-Snowden era.

  34. why would i even trust these guys.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when they can't even get a hard drive size correct?

  35. Depends by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    When your Xorg process uses a ton of CPU and your graphics driver is bad, a linux desktop is quite bad with overhead also Gnome 3, KDE are pigs or at least quite heavier than XP was.

  36. "...are entirely free of malware and viruses..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until FexEx or UPS redirects you order to have huge NSA campus near San Antonio, TX where they replace the physical BIOS chip with one with the NSA uses to spy on everybody. No one hides from NSA, no one. And they want to target you with malware, they make it so.

  37. Proper digital restrictions management? by tepples · · Score: 1

    proper DRM is being worked on.

    Why did the developers of the Direct Rendering Manager have to give it such a confusing name?

  38. Seeing as you're a member of the team: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My questions are:

    1. Do you have optional firmware available to disable the Intel Management Engine, since that is one of the current trending concerns of this demographic of user.

    2. Do you have plans for how to proceed now that Intel has signed blobs for CPU, ME, GPU, AND AUDIO on current/next generation SoC models?

    3. Do you have any plans for a laptop device that can provide unsigned owner/end-user replacement of the firmware (even if you personally only provide a normal closed-source bios implementation) whether x86, arm, or some other architecture based in the near future? I personally would be willing to pay up to 1000 dollars for such a device given sufficient build quality, and I have seen other people, whether on slashdot, soylent, or reddit willing to do the same. But all we seem to get is more rehashed Linux laptops utilizing ever less libre-friendly hardware, with serious concerns as to the security and privacy of our own data operated on them, as well as anyone else's we pass along (Think Tor or I2P, neither of which is trustworthy even if the software is if the continued trend in ME/PSP/Signed Trustzone hardware) continues.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.
    - An AC

  39. Crap processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really?
    Why are people still insisting on using the crappy N series processor when processors like 2955U or 2957U or 3205U are much better and cost the same

  40. Battery life? & why original chromebook was gr by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    What is the battery life for this notebook?

    The original chromebook was cheap, light, booted fast, automatically synced files, and required practically no maintenance.

    I bought one for $150. Still use it all the time. It is great for what it is.

    Once you put a more powerful intel processor in it, and put a more capable OS in it, you lose everything special about it. No more fast boot, long battery life, cheap price, etc.

  41. Who needs this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux users are generally power users. Who would want anything like this?

  42. Nice, but don't pinch on the storage by Trogre · · Score: 1

    A pity these don't come with 120GB SSDs from the start.

    That was the single most significant upgrade I made to old laptops (including ones with old ATA/100 interfaces).

    Starting with a 500GB slow-as-crap laptop-grade HDD sounds like a recipe for frustration.

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