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Blogger Wins Libel Damages Over Columnist's Tweets (bbc.co.uk)
eionmac shares a report that details a legal battle in which a food blogger won thousands of dollars in libel damages "after a row over two tweets." BBC reports: Food blogger Jack Monroe has won 24,000 British pounds damages, plus legal costs, in a libel action against columnist Katie Hopkins after a row over two tweets. Ms Monroe sued the writer over two war memorial tweets she said caused "serious harm" to her reputation. Ms Hopkins posted tweets in May 2015 asking her if she had "scrawled on any memorials recently."
Ms Monroe said that meant she had either vandalized a war memorial or "condoned or approved" of it.
Mr Justice Warby also ordered Ms Hopkins -- a columnist for the Mail Online -- to pay an initial 107,000 British pounds towards the campaigner's legal costs within 28 days. He ruled that the tweets had caused "Ms Monroe real and substantial distress" and she was entitled to "fair and reasonable compensation."
Hopkins is probably wishing she took up the offer to accept "an apology and a 5,000 GBP donation to a migrants charity" right now.
Do the litigants have gender confusion, or does BeauHD? Jack Monroe is Ms Monroe?
There's a picture of Jack Monroe right at the top of the article. I don't think there is any confusion about her gender. Although she looks like her father was the Heat Mister.
Depends... from what I hear, a lot of the Fleet Street periodicals each have a massive cash stockpile that's earmarked for nothing but libel suits (they tend to attract 'em, as you might have guessed). Maybe she got a piece of that dosh from her employer? Not entirely sure, though - it would depend on whether or not she was posting in her capacity as a columnist or not. If not, then she's likely fscked.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Do the litigants have gender confusion, or does BeauHD?
Jack Monroe is Ms Monroe? She told herself what?
This comment is just lazy... the name of the food blog is "A Girl Called Jack".
I suspect that Mr. Trump has approximately nothing to do with British civil courts, let alone this particular lawsuit.
Seriously dude, let it go. Not everything in the news is orange-tinted...
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
But someone who works for the Daily Mail got fucked and I approve of that.
Captcha: Cholera. How fitting.
Somebody should fix that. Obama should sue Trump for libel over that wiretapping tweet.
"you guys"? How about growing up and ignore posts you don't like? This story wasn't about bashing the white house madman (I can back up that characterization with facts so it isn't a biased opinion), there were only one post mentioning Trump at all (so no, "you guys" doesn't apply) etc.
The sad thing is that her shitty newspaper had probably come out better off from the whole affair. The Mail's main products are outrage and vitriol. Nothing like a good "snowflakes and their hurt feelings over a tweet" story that can be dragged out for years.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You lost. get over it. Or are you going to bitch about this until the day you die?
They would not have a case since in the US a person would have to reasonably believe it is true to meet the standard. IOW it can't be obvious bat shit crazy ramblings like Trump's tweets.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
For the moment, anyway.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Not very good at English are you?
Do we really need you guys talking anymore? Can't we just ASSUME "smoking = CANCER" and just move on?
Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death in the United States.
This is called normalization.
Food blogger Jack Monroe
Yes, her name is Jack. No, she didn't used to be a guy.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The picture caption lists both names. No idea if the woman in the picture is one or the other.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
I weep for the future of civilization...
Did you even look at the pictures on the article?
A lot of women named Jacqueline/Jacquelyn/Jacalyn go by Jackie, Jac or Jack for short.
Does the article say that? I don't see it during a quick once-over.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
For those blissfully unaware of the existence of Katie Hopkins, she's a former UK Apprentice contestant and all-round pretty shitty human being, who now makes her living out of being "controversial," and is one of the most widely hated "celebrities" in the country. Five minutes with her would make spending the whole night with Piers Morgan seem pleasant by comparison.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The submission could have mentioned that. With all the gender bending in the news now, it made the post almost unreadable, because we were all trying to figure out which "Ms" it was talking about.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Very few women go by the name "Jack".
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
3) One of them is you
If it's recognisable as a woman, it's not Katie Hopkins. She looks more like a horse.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Talk about ridiculously thin skinned. 107,000 British Pounds for what amounts to an insult... Talk about a broken system. In the free world with freedom of speech, we tweet back "You're an ass." then block the person and move on with our lives.
By the way, since you apparently burned all your dictionaries during Brexit, libel is stating something damaging as factual about a person in writing. It was clear that that tweet was an insult and not real libel: i.e. "I saw/heard so and so deface(d) a war memorial."
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Read the other ones Wikipedia, both are complete weirdos.
Not 100% sure either, but I think this is entirely on Hopkins. If she was acting in an "official capacity" and using a Daily Mail specific account then the lawsuit would have probably been brought against the paper based on past incidences of a similar nature in the UK, including one for a column of Hopkins' that was a £150k loss for the Daily Mail. Making an employer liable for what an employee does on their own personal account - even if apparently in an "offfical capacity" - seems like a slippery slope no employer - and especially not the Daily Mail with its outspoken and hate-filled staff - is going to want to even walk up to, let alone step foot on.
It's probably no surprise that the Daily Mail doesn't seem in any rush to report on this story though; a shame, because the lies and spin they'll no doubt put on this is likely to be some of their "best" work.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
A lot of women named Jacqueline/Jacquelyn/Jacalyn go by Jackie, Jac or Jack for short.
If they went by "Jack", the name of her blog wouldn't be "A Girl Called Jack". It's like the song "A Boy Named Sue".
Just until that lunatic is fired back off to civilian life
Other than the subject of this article, please cite two examples where "Jack" is demonstrated as a woman's name or nickname.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Hopkins is probably wishing she took up the offer to accept "an apology and a 5,000 GBP donation to a migrants charity" right now.
Most of the country is glad she didn't.
Can someone explain why "Kelly boy" is used to refer to a girl (presumably one named Kelly)?
There is a female Jack in Riddick and in Mass Effect
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Jack Monroe has spoken about a fluid gender identity quite extensively. The nickname Jack reflects that
That's not libel, that's censorship.
You made that up. Or your prof at Trump-U did.
I'm stocky, not fat.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The trick is that, however much of an ass she may be, the "defamer" in this case just tweeted at the wrong handle on accident. And with some language that one would really have to stretch to take to be an explicit assertion of vandalism.
And that's libelous? And worth 24k quid? God help us.
You gotta watch out for that gender fluid stuff, it's pretty toxic.
This has nothing to do with "gender bending" and everything to do with overuse of pronouns. The article would have had the same problem if her name was Susan. The parts that were confusing came after already referring to the women as "Ms. Hopkins" and "Ms. Monroe."
Looks like Ms. Hopkins will be suing you soon to recoup her losses. Your horse comment has caused her real and substantial distress and she is entitled to fair and reasonable compensation.
What is important is that it stinks when the courts accord themselves a major lottery win for penalising some poor bugger who made a silly mistake. As for the woman (or whatever, according to some of the comments) who couldn't simply accept an apology, I can only hope that she experiences the same viciousness in her life that she's shown toward this unfortunate. Someone who is less vulnerable than her present victim. Meanwhile I hope the bloody money chokes her.
The article is about someone getting in trouble over inflammatory remarks on Twitter, it's not a Trump bash, it's topical.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Meh. I had to listen to people whine about Obama for 8 years. At least you won't have to listen to people like me whine about Trump for more than 4 years.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
So a science-fiction movie that twists normal constraints to seem different in the future, and a science-fiction movie that twists normal constraints to seem different in the future.
Examples of real people would be nice. I'd even accept if those real people were named after fictional universes, provided enough time has passed for a degree of public notoriety. An example of that would be the name Madison, which was inspired by the movie Splash and became a popular and common girl's name.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Hillary bashing was a major sport on this site before the election, and even for about a month afterwards, many posts modded up and even entire stories run here. I didn't see even one comment from your side complaining about that.
Attacking and trying to discredit the media inconvenient to you isn't something new.
A transgender horse.
> The judge ruled that the tweet "meant that Ms Monroe condoned and approved of scrawling on war memorials, vandalising monuments commemorating those who fought for her freedom".
No it doesn't. It means Hopkins said that but it was found not to be true. Hopkins walks away from this looking like a fool. Monroe has been vindicated but she does not need to be paid all that money for damage to her reputation because her reputation has not been damaged.
This would not happen in America because of 1st Amendment protection: There has been a discussion by two public figures and the discussion has been resolved.
Not only does Britain hate free speech, but even criticizing this verdict could see you sued by the judge and fined or jail for contempt of court.
Hopkins revels in personal attacks and makes up her facts to fit her views. There was another libel case recently when she - and her employers - had to shell out far more than in this case.
Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect.
I don't think that was the choice offered.
Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect.
I wish they'd libel me, too.
In typical Trump fashion, he exaggerates his claims to focus attention, but the Obama administration was, in fact, investigating Trump's campaign ties to Russia. Or I guess the last 4 months of constant news coverage regarding leaks from the "Deep State" involving wiretaps and other info is just my imagination.
I wouldn't be so sure. Bush got re-elected, even though the left hated him, and he bungled the Iraq war. And very few people thought Trump had a chance of winning in the first place.
Yes, her name is Jack. No, she didn't used to be a guy.
Oh noes, you just misgendered them: "Monroe, who was assigned female at birth, identifies as non-binary transgender and goes by singular they pronouns, rather than "he" or "she". [2]".
If you live in Ontario, please report your violation to the Human Rights Commission. Thanks.
the daily mail is not media, its shit infected toilet paper
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
That is pretty common knowledge actually.
I rally hate it what assholes speak for "half the country" fuck you!
No idea if the woman in the picture is one or the other.
The one with goat legs, horns and an inverted pentagram inscribed on her forehead is the one who works for the Daily Mail (Hopkins).
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Yet WIkipedia describes Monroe as 'non-binary transgender [who] goes by singular they pronouns, rather than "he" or "she".'...? Whatever that means...still, "girl" does not appear a proper designation for people who reject their own girliness.
Ezekiel 23:20
>Ms Monroe comes from a family with military connections - her father was in the British Army for seven years, while one of her brothers is a flying officer in the RAF. ...which paints Jack Monroe's successful libel charge on a whole different light.
My female partner of 30 years is known by family and friends as Jack.
There have been amusing times when discussing " my partner Jack" has been interpreted by some as to make me out to be gay. I can live with peoples ignorance of what is acceptable and what is not. Gave up arguing with small minded people a long time ago.
Or a cowboy-actor called Marion.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Ha ha ha, that would have made her spit babies bones (meaning she'd have had to make a nice baby fricassee to swallow the bones ; she'd have had the recipe and materials to hand).
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Did you graduate from DeVry international law school in the same class as AK Marc and Wijnowski?
1) Thorley v Kerry (1812)
2) Defamation Act 2013 26.2.
3) Arkell v. Pressdram (1971)
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The right hates Trump too. I've been registered Republican since 2008, and Libertarian Party before that.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
And yet he still get elected. He even got elected after that horrible October surprise and calls for him to step aside.
I can't determine which is which in your characterizations, as they both apply to both of the candidates. /sarcasm
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?