Android Creator Lost Out On a Big Investment, and Apple May Be To Blame (cnbc.com)

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Android Creator Lost Out On a Big Investment, and Apple May Be To Blame (cnbc.com)

Posted by msmash on Monday March 20, 2017 @07:20AM from the what's-happening dept.

Earlier this year, we learned that Andy Rubin, creator of the Android operating system, has built a new company called Essential. The company was reportedly working on a "high-end smartphone with a large edge-to-edge screen that lacks a surrounding bezel." It appears things aren't chugging along so smoothly. From a report: Andy Rubin, a co-creator of Android, lost out on a $100 million investment from SoftBank as Apple deepened ties with the Japanese investor, people familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal. Rubin's company, Essential Products, is reportedly planning to release a new high-end smartphone this spring, and SoftBank planned to market the phone in Japan, the Journal said. But Apple subsequently agreed to commit $1 billion to SoftBank's Vision Fund, a move that "complicated" SoftBank's investment in Essential Products, the Journal reported Monday. Apple did not directly block the deal, the Journal said, though Rubin's premium phone would be released ahead of the highly anticipated 10th anniversary iPhone. The deal was "nearly complete," sources told the Journal.

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Fadware by Tablizer · 2017-03-20 07:26 · Score: 0

No-bezel Envy. Pffft, humans. Don't complain when it explodes in your pocket or something. Just don't bring your flaming tush near my lawn.

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1. Re:Fadware by Z00L00K · 2017-03-20 07:59 · Score: 1
  
  I agree, I want something that can absorb abuse. So no bezel means no sale to me. I recently got a Cat S60 because it's rugged and has dual SIM cards. The FLIR camera is a nice feature but the ordinary camera is the only bad thing with it - it's like going back 15 years.
  
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2. Re:Fadware by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:54 · Score: 0
  
  No-bezel Envy. Pffft, humans. Don't complain when it explodes in your pocket or something. Just don't bring your flaming tush near my lawn.
  The BlackBerry Priv has a curved glass screen reaching around the left and right sides of the smartphone. It is nice having the additional viewing space and no battery explosions or fires.
Wow...Essential Products? Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:26 · Score: 0

Worst company name ever...
1. Re:Wow...Essential Products? Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:37 · Score: 0
  
  Can't even be searched. Could only be worse is he named the company "The".
2. Re:Wow...Essential Products? Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:42 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe they should switch to selling toilet paper.
3. Re: Wow...Essential Products? Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:15 · Score: 0
  
  Except in India.
4. Re: Wow...Essential Products? Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 14:16 · Score: 0
  
  Goes without saying. In India, it will be marketed as "The Needful Products."
Lockdown by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:34 · Score: 0

Would this phone be locked down against the owner?
Who cares!
Stop whining and get back to work... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-03-20 07:40 · Score: 2

Translation: The 800-pound gorilla in the market ate our lunch. We didn't see that coming.
1. Re:Stop whining and get back to work... by Namarrgon · 2017-03-20 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  The gorilla ate their partner, not their lunch.
  
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2. Re:Stop whining and get back to work... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-03-20 08:37 · Score: 1
  
  The gorilla ate their partner, not their lunch.
  That's a different problem. ;)
Destroy all competition! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:41 · Score: 2, Interesting

Destroy all competition, or DAC is the precarious stage of a product life cycle in which the company has already recognized its products as stagnated and turns into destroying all competition instead of inventing marketable novelty. DAC stages are more typical for products of big companies with established ecosystems and revenue streams. -- Fake Marketing 101, Chapter 13
1. Re:Destroy all competition! by tlhIngan · 2017-03-20 09:47 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Destroy all competition, or DAC is the precarious stage of a product life cycle in which the company has already recognized its products as stagnated and turns into destroying all competition instead of inventing marketable novelty. DAC stages are more typical for products of big companies with established ecosystems and revenue streams. -- Fake Marketing 101, Chapter 13
  I think this is more alternate facts than anything, because the business case makes zero sense.
  Apple invested a billion dollars into softbank. I don't know about you, but a billion dollars is a YUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE amount. All for what? To kill a smartphone company who hasn't even released a phone yet? That makes zero business sense - they don't have a phone, they don't have a prototype, they don't have anything. And you don't know how much it costs, or what market they're targeting.
  I'm sure the Pixel and Pixel XL phones have Apple worried that Google is stomping around their price points.Enough that some no-name (yeah he created Android, and no one cared) who promises a phone with everything and the kitchen sink which hasn't been released yet or even a business plan produced is even more scary.
  No, what likely happened is Apple was making an investment in a carrier that believed in them (SoftBank was one of the first carriers outside the US to carry the iPhone, and in Japan, where their phones are light years ahead of what North America has) for $1B.
  And it's likely because of this, SoftBank wanted them to switch from a direct investment to using this new fund with its big pot of money in it ($1B!) which would be used to encourage innovation, and either it failed because the phone wasn't practical, or other business reason. If it was a "nothing but iPhone" fund, then would be rather useless.
  He likely got caught up in his own hype about the phone that it was supposed to be the next JesusPhone. Especially if he wanted to release it before the iPhone - that would mean he'd be in production right now, and thus all the hardware has been designed and debugged. Seeking funding now to go to mass production would put them even further behind thanks to how long it'll take
2. Re:Destroy all competition! by yuvcifjt · 2017-03-20 13:39 · Score: 1
  
  Insightful, thanks... I hope parent is modded up!
3. Re:Destroy all competition! by Plumpaquatsch · 2017-03-21 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  Destroy all competition, or DAC is the precarious stage of a product life cycle in which the company has already recognized its products as stagnated and turns into destroying all competition instead of inventing marketable novelty. DAC stages are more typical for products of big companies with established ecosystems and revenue streams. -- Fake Marketing 101, Chapter 13
  I think this is more alternate facts than anything, because the business case makes zero sense.
  Apple invested a billion dollars into softbank. I don't know about you, but a billion dollars is a YUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE amount. All for what? To kill a smartphone company who hasn't even released a phone yet? That makes zero business sense - they don't have a phone, they don't have a prototype, they don't have anything. And you don't know how much it costs, or what market they're targeting.
  It makes even less sense when you consider the YUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE Apple investment we are talking about went into a $100 billion fund. IOW they are only a 1% investor - how much leverage dies that buy you in an fund that maybe has a dozen investors?
  
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Re:Apple's a corporate thug by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:41 · Score: 1

His way of winning is eliminate the other guy.
You probably wrote this from a Windows box and have zero sense of irony.
Re:Apple's a corporate thug by sit1963nz · 2017-03-20 07:43 · Score: 1

Oh I dont know. Maybe it was because Apple is opposing a lot of Trumps badly thought out ideas and this is punishment
Re:Apple's a corporate thug by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:43 · Score: 0

And you believed what Russia said.
You must be a Trump voter.
They should try this by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 07:46 · Score: 1

Just put Eric Schmidt on the board. That'll fix everything.
Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by ZorinLynx · 2017-03-20 07:54 · Score: 4, Insightful

Everyone seems to be clamoring for a phone without bezels, but it seems obvious to me that you have to HOLD the device, and parts of your hand will always cover some of the front of the device if you hold it securely, and therefore with a bezel-less device you will be covering your screen all the time.
Why do people seem to want this? It makes no sense. I like bezels on my handheld devices so I can actually hold and use them at the same time!
1. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by aicrules · 2017-03-20 07:59 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  because the sheets of "glass" that they show in many scifi shows and movies seem like they would be cool as a computer/phone. Practical? Hell i don't know. But if they make advances in technology that allow it to happen then that's fine by me. There are bound to be applications for those advances that go beyond aesthetics. I prefer my phone not to so easily become shattered, thus I put it in a case. This nullifies the aesthetic benefit of having no bezel for me.
2. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Lumpy · 2017-03-20 07:59 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Same reason they want thinner and lighter. Because the general public is really stupid and when you market at them properly they will lap it up.
  I want a phone that is 2X as thick as available today and has a 4 day battery life. Single day battery life today is only because of stupidity. we should be at the 1 week of battery like we had with the Razr flip phone.
  
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3. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:07 · Score: 0
  
  WRT. parts of your hand covering the screen, unless you have incredibly thin fingers or an incredibly large bezel, this is already happening to you.
  Regardless, if by suppressing the bezel you increase your usable screen size by - and let's be super optimistic here and say - 5%, but lose 1% of it due to your fat hands, you still come out ahead.
  Not the kind of feature I think people are clamouring for, but it could be cool, I guess.
4. Re: Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:10 · Score: 0
  
  We are getting closer and closer to my "Earth final conflict" expandable rollout phone. I really want one of those.
5. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:28 · Score: 0
  
  Because some people put a fat bordered protective case on it?
6. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by SeaFox · 2017-03-20 08:42 · Score: 1
  
  I think people are actually not happy with how large physically smartphones are now. But they like having a large screen to look at. So the solution in their eyes is to get the largest screen they can on a phone of certain dimensions. Reducing the bezels around the screen, which they no not view as really important, allows this.
7. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Gr8Apes · 2017-03-20 08:43 · Score: 1
  
  You know, if you only use your phone to make calls and 5-10 texts a day, most of today's phones will last at least 3-4 days, and some will last a week or more on a single charge. Of course, if you don't want to be stuck in Razr land and actually be able to use your phone's capabilities, well, then you're going to have to sacrifice somewhere. A double thick phone for me with everything extra being battery will likely only stretch me out to 2 full days on a single charge.
  
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8. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Bruce+Perens · 2017-03-20 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  I would instead like one as rugged as my Panasonic "fully rugged" toughbooks rather than the fake rugged of the Casio G-Shock and Caterpillar licensed brands. No more light and thin, thank you.
  
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9. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:52 · Score: 0
  
  Everyone seems to be clamoring for a phone without bezels
  Is this a west coast hipster thing? I've never heard anyone wishing aloud that their phone had no bezel. Most people here stick them into those Otterbox cases immediately to try and prevent them from breaking from the slightest drop. Then again I've never heard anyone wishing their phone was thinner either, the biggest complaints are pretty much always battery life related.
10. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 09:10 · Score: 0
  
  A MILLION TIMES THIS.
  Praise the Lumpy.
  I'd give ANYTHING for a nice big fat phone with FEATURES and BEZELS, but nope, companies are too busy pandering to retards that hardly know what day it is half the time, until they open their phone case.
  The sort of retards that sit around doing nothing because the internet died and they can't use the facebooks or tumblrs.
  The only recent phone I would have even considered getting was that modular Ara phone from Google.
  Nope. Dead. Along with any innovation in the phone industry as every feature is ripped out to the cheers of retards in the millions.
  "YEAAAH, gotta buy me some bluetooth headphones! Wooo innovation!", they cheer.
  Fuck society. Euthanize the thick.
11. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 09:16 · Score: 0
  
  Razr flip phones weren't capable of the functionality today's phones are. Not only that, but battery technology has not advanced alongside computing devices; there is no "Moore's Law" regarding batteries.
12. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by retchdog · 2017-03-20 09:42 · Score: 1
  
  i'm just wondering; does your username refer to the Akaike Information Criterion? i can't think of what else it would be, except maybe the American Institute for Conservation or American International College?
  
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13. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 09:44 · Score: 0
  
  Bruce Perens still thinking he's relevant? How quaint!
14. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 09:53 · Score: 0
  
  They could have virtual bezels. Displaying info but no touch sensitivity. Great for movies and photos. For web browsing, format the page for controls to be a bit inward.
15. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by TeknoHog · 2017-03-20 10:14 · Score: 1
  
  I want a phone that is 2X as thick as available today and has a 4 day battery life. Single day battery life today is only because of stupidity. we should be at the 1 week of battery like we had with the Razr flip phone.
  I want an android, i.e. a humanlike robot that can take care of household chores. Not some stupid old phone.
  (Google threatened to sue a robotics company called Zendroid because of naming similarities with their phone software. I guess the meaning of words doesn't matter any more.)
  
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16. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:21 · Score: 0
  
  >WRT. parts of your hand covering the screen, unless you have incredibly thin fingers or an incredibly large bezel, this is already happening to you.
  No. I hold it on the side. That's what a thick phone is for.
17. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:22 · Score: 0
  
  Everyone seems to be clamoring for a phone without bezels, but it seems obvious to me that you have to HOLD the device, and parts of your hand will always cover some of the front of the device if you hold it securely, and therefore with a bezel-less device you will be covering your screen all the time.
  Why do people seem to want this? It makes no sense. I like bezels on my handheld devices so I can actually hold and use them at the same time!
  I don't know how you hold the phone but phone rests on your hand. You don't hold it by the bezel.
  Also, bezel-less looks better than bezeled. Just look at concept art photos of bezel-less phones.
18. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by CrashNBrn · 2017-03-20 10:49 · Score: 1
  
  Moto X Force, you'll have to flash the updated Android rom yourself over at xda though, as Motorola is not releasing an update for the x1581 Model from China -- which is the just the Mexican model with a different radio configuration file. The US version x1580 available at a similar price ~$299 appears to only have single sim, possibly no micro-sd and only 32GB on-board flash.
  I've seen a few other ruggedized non-US brands around too though, even "budget" phones, like a BlackView BV6000 for < $200.
  
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  4.7inch 4G Android 7.0 Corning Gorilla Glass 3 IP68 Waterproof, Dustproof, Shockproof , MTK6755 64bit Octa Core 2.0GHz 3GB RAM 32GB ROM 5MP + 13MP Cameras
19. Re: Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 11:39 · Score: 0
  
  You guys all want a blackberry classic.
20. Re: Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by mrmaster · 2017-03-20 11:45 · Score: 1
  
  It seems obvious to me you haven't been to Japan in the last few years. Their phones and mobile connections leave a lot to be desired. If people truly wanted fat phones someone would make a fat phone.
21. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 12:15 · Score: 0
  
  You know, if you only use your phone to make calls and 5-10 texts a day, most of today's phones will last at least 3-4 days
  This is wrong. You're on the right track to extending battery life, but I'd argue your off by about 2 days.
  Unless you're talking about taking an Android phone with a relatively large battery and then installing a basic ROM without any Google services, and then turning off NFC, bluetooth, location data, mobile data and Wi-Fi.
  If that's what you meant, then I agree with you, but most of today's phones won't even let you do that out of the box without some amount of hacking.
  When it comes down to it, I'd rather leave all those things running but have a 10,000mah battery in my phone, and as I happen to have a 10,000mah battery sitting here on my desk, I can tell you it is just slightly smaller than my OnePlus 3, and therefore would make a perfect battery for it, were the phone twice as thick.
22. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 14:30 · Score: 0
  
  ultra power savings mode on samsung phones let you use telephone, txting, limited apps(you can pick and choose which apps, if they have an ultra power mode can be used), and internet browser, makes the battery last up to 4-6 days
23. Re: Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 16:36 · Score: 0
  
  Bezel-less phone are ugly! No thanks, I want all Bezel, very little screen. In fact I want extra clip on bezels to really make my phone look meaty. I can understand some people wanting to see nothing but screen, but they're fairies.
24. Re: Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by sysrammer · 2017-03-20 19:14 · Score: 1
  
  You guys all want a blackberry classic.
  With bezels on the keys, baby!
  
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25. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 22:04 · Score: 0
  
  This way there are more opportunities of telling the customers they are holding it wrong.
26. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by drinkypoo · 2017-03-21 00:27 · Score: 1
  
  I could not agree more. The place I want no bezel is a wall-mounted display, or maybe one of those automotive displays that poke out of the dash like they taped a tablet to it. My phone absolutely needs a bezel. FWIW, literally everyone I have asked this question has said the same thing.
  
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27. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by thegarbz · 2017-03-21 01:27 · Score: 1
  
  There are both solutions for you and products for you if you don't like those solutions. There's no reason I want a phone with a week battery life. My phone with a weak battery life is just fine and gets me from charger to charger without issue.
28. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by thegarbz · 2017-03-21 01:28 · Score: 1
  
  By an S7 edge and play with it before criticizing it. It isn't anywhere near as bad and dysfunctional as you think.
29. Re:Why are people obsessed with lack of bezels? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-21 03:21 · Score: 0
  
  For me the form factor of the iphone 4SE was perfect. I am an android user, but if the next top of the line "Pixel" or "Nexus" or whatever Google is calling it these days, comes out with the size and thickness of the 4SE, I'd be happy.
Setting aside the business shenanigans or not.... by argStyopa · 2017-03-20 08:01 · Score: 1

...who would want a phone with NO bezel?
How do you hold the damned thing?
Seriously, if I'm showing him something on my phone, I have to treat elderly parents like toddlers with sticky fingers, holding it out of their reach because if they try to grab it I GUARANTEE they'll touch the screen and either cancel the video or somehow order me a new pair of shoes from Argentina. I don't know how.

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Seems Apple didn't just adopt Intel CPUs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:02 · Score: 0

They picked up their shady business practices as well.
Apple May Be To Blame by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 08:18 · Score: 0

Finally someone other than Trump gets blamed for something :))
Do not care by DontBeAMoran · 2017-03-20 08:51 · Score: 1

Elitist pricks will have one less option to waste money on an expensive smartphone?
Why the fuck should we care about that?

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Re:Apple's a corporate thug by Desler · 2017-03-20 09:24 · Score: 1

Because Steve Jobs was all about low-end, low-margins and thin profits?
Re:Setting aside the business shenanigans or not.. by Desler · 2017-03-20 09:25 · Score: 1

Shananigans? It's just typical business. You think Rubin wouldn't have done the same thing if the situations were reversed?
Re:Setting aside the business shenanigans or not.. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 09:36 · Score: 0

You need one of the fold over wallet holders for those bezelless phones, I mean computers with antennas and a phone app/program.
Battery cases address this problem by perpenso · 2017-03-20 09:41 · Score: 2

Cases with integrated batteries address this problem. The phone itself does not have to go in this direction.

There is another thing about the Razr that is loved and missed. A small size that easily fit in the pocket. Thin and lightweight are an attempt to partially fulfill this Razr attribute. However today's handheld computers need a larger screen so we will always fall short of the Razr's convenience. An iPhone SE with the thickness and weight of an iPod touch might be convenient enough, ignoring the technical limitations that make that infeasible today. A case roughly twice as thick that triples battery life would seem reasonable for those that want endurance.

Seems like a thin phone plus a thick case is a path that lets both the convenience and endurance camps get what they desire.
Just business as usual by guruevi · 2017-03-20 10:00 · Score: 1

You're not losing $100M because of Apple, you're losing $100M investment because you didn't hold up your end of the bargain, in all other cases, a contract cannot just be voided at the whim of either party.

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Re: Apple's a corporate thug by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:17 · Score: 0

The irony is that in the early years of the gui, Apple prepared Microsoft's monopoly for them by suing all the third party gui vendors out of the market. Apple's legal team plowed the field for Windows to become dominant.
Apple could never become the majority platform. Itvisn't in their DNA to be more than a niche player.
Re: Apple's a corporate thug by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:19 · Score: 0

Steve Jobs was about zen, and cultish marketing and elitism. He was that dude who does quirky stuff in part just to distinguish himself. You know him, the annoying fuck.
Re: Apple's a corporate thug by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 10:25 · Score: 0

Are we talking 1980s Jobs or 2000s Jobs?
A bezel? by JustAnotherOldGuy · 2017-03-20 11:42 · Score: 1

My phone has a bezel. O The Horror! O The Shame! How will I *ever* be cool when all the hip kids have phones without a bezel? Mom, Dad, I need a new phone IMMEDIATELY or I'll just DIE!!!

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Summary: Apple is a douchebag by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 12:54 · Score: 0

Nuff said. On to the next troll.
Vaporware company complaining about not getting $$ by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 17:03 · Score: 0

This is all based on VAPORWARE. The company hasn't produced anything, not even a patent.
Also, please stop calling him the "Android creator". He is just a guy who's main achievement was to con a few guys into creating a cheap ass CLONE the Blackberry OS for free and then selling the OS name to Google. He didn't create anything.
The 'Android operating system'? by paai · 2017-03-20 19:34 · Score: 1

The creator of the 'Android operating system'? You can of course debate what exactly is an operating system, but as far as I am concerned 'uname' does have some say in it. 'Android' is just a load of complicated crap on top of the linux system... And Java... O, my God, Java...
Paai
1. Re:The 'Android operating system'? by thegarbz · 2017-03-21 01:30 · Score: 1
  
  but as far as I am concerned 'uname' does have some say in it.
  As far as I'm concerned it doesn't. Just because it spits out some form of Linux, doesn't mean that it's anything like Linux, doesn't mean that it works like Linux, looks like Linux, or is capable of doing the things that we typically attribute to Linux.
  It's best to call different looking things by different names. Being pedantic just leads to the reason users are frustrated with IT types, confusing garbage.
2. Re:The 'Android operating system'? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-21 01:34 · Score: 0
  
  Try uname -a
These homos make me sick by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-20 20:57 · Score: 0

They complain all the time about not being included, but then lock everyone else out of the deal