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After Years Waiting For Google Fiber, KC Residents Get Cancellation Emails (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Some Kansas City residents who have been waiting years for Google Fiber to install service at their homes recently received e-mails canceling their installations, with no word on whether they'll ever get Internet service from the company. KSHB 41 Action News in Kansas City, Missouri, "spoke to several people, living in different parts of the metro, all who have recently received cancellation e-mails," the station reported last week. "The e-mails do not provide a specific reason for the cancellations. Instead they say the company was 'unable to build our network to connect your home or business at this time.'" While Google Fiber refuses to say how many installations have been canceled, KSHB said, "there is speculation the number of cancellations in the metro is as high as 2,700." "The company says it has slowed down in some areas to experiment with new techniques," such as wireless technology, the report also said. Google Fiber is still hooking up fiber for some new customers in parts of the Kansas City area. One resident who had his installation canceled is Larry Meurer, who was seeing multiple Google Fiber trucks in his neighborhood nearly two years ago, in the spring of 2015. "I'm left wondering what's going on," he told KSHB after getting the cancellation e-mail. Meurer lives in Olathe, Kansas, one of the largest cities in the Kansas City metro area. Residents only five houses away and around the corner have Google Fiber service, the report said. But Meurer said he and several neighbors who never got service were "terminated."

64 comments

  1. I cancel my gmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck Google!

  2. Youtube Live is coming by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    why spend billions of $$$ to run wires when you can use someone else's network to sell your stuff?

    1. Re:Youtube Live is coming by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      It's just another service cancelled by Google they are getting a reputation for it

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  3. Well, it was in beta after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Teh G and beta begets Megadeth!

  4. Austin too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not just residents of KC that were sold a pig in a poke by Google. Look at a map of the Austin roll out, after many years very little coverage. Weak sauce.

    1. Re:Austin too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google is too embarrassed to put a map anywhere on their Austin Fiber site. I dare someone to find one. Sure you can plug in your address BUT find that map I embedded below hosted by googleusercontent . . .

      This was extracted from the Interactive Map on myStatesman.com

      To put in perspective, zoom out twice on the '-' button and switch to Satellite view, drag image until Southpark Meadows is bottommost and see just how LITTLE coverage of the Austin metropolitan area is provided by Google Fiber. Nothing North of the river, including all of the big State of Texas offices and University of Texas campus, West Campus + most of the dense neighborhoods + all those other places that the city REQUIRED!

      This is the current build-out since it was announced FOUR YEARS AGO!!!

    2. Re:Austin too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is that a pathetic looking coverage, who the hell installs cables in "chunks" like that? How incompetent you have to be to design an installation plan that does randoms spots around a town?

      The difference between the phrase "Google quality" and the word mediocrity is starting to become ambiguous.

    3. Re:Austin too by Megane · · Score: 1

      I moved from far NW Austin (near 183/620) back to NE San Antonio. I will likely get Google fiber not much later, and ATT fiber sooner than I would have in Austin.

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    4. Re:Austin too by Megane · · Score: 1

      Google calls them "fiberhoods", and the slow progress very likely indicates difficulty in getting access to utility poles. (at least at a price that Google is willing to pay) And if your neighborhood has buried wires? Tough luck for you, I'm sure.

      Many years ago, TWC ran an underground wire in my NW Austin neighborhood with a 2-inch hammer mole, and dug a hole in 1/4 of the backyards along the block (every other house on one side) to access the pipe. Imagine having to do this a block at a time, taking a day or two per block. Of course there was still space left in TWC's little pipe, but I'm sure they wouldn't sell it cheap.

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    5. Re:Austin too by rfengr · · Score: 1

      You forgot the islamophobia, transphobia, and questioningphobia.

    6. Re:Austin too by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I moved from Portland, Oregon to Tulsa, Oklahoma to get away from exactly the bullshit you're referring to. Successfully, I might ad.

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  5. Low Takeup by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Likely what is happening is the number of people signing up is lower that Google finnancial analyst would like or is in within acceptable targets, so they are investing in other areas. As time goes by and the inevitable desire for quality broadband increases (bluntly old luddites die of and are replaced by internet aware millenials, just one example), so they will increase investment in areas which will shift from low take up to high take up. When you a are wiring a whole country, that means, whole regions will miss out with low up take fore cast against regions with high up take, just the way it it.

    Should you be bitter, well, bluntly yes, but bitter against your government and not google (that would be local, state and federal corrupt bias in favour of existing incumbent telecoms). Want access, then your only choice is to relocate to a home with google fibre access.

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    1. Re:Low Takeup by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's a Comcast or Verizon tactic, not a Google tactic. Google is *NOT* wiring the whole country as you say... Just Kansas City, so their tactics can be different. In fact, that was the whole point of the Google Fiber initiative.

    2. Re:Low Takeup by roninmagus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google Fiber was abandoned just as the FCC made it illegal for ISPs to use the demographics of their subscribers for advertising purposes. This tells you what the purpose of Google Fiber was.

    3. Re:Low Takeup by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      More likely, is that an incumbent carrier is making physical access nearly impossible.

    4. Re:Low Takeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Longmont CO proves that is no obstacle. We have a third of the town built out with fiber ahead of schedule, much of it underground.

      I'm more inclined to agree with it being the rule that ISPs cannot use the network data from their subscribers for advertising.

    5. Re:Low Takeup by starblazer · · Score: 1

      however that ruling was just (or soon to be) reversed so... why the cancellation e-mails now?

    6. Re: Low Takeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, let's all move our homes so that we can be eligible for a service that Google will get bored with and drop next year.

    7. Re:Low Takeup by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      however that ruling was just (or soon to be) reversed so... why the cancellation e-mails now?

      Uncertainty. The rule could easily be later reversed a Google left holding the bag; I'm guessing Google found the cost of building out wasn't worth the investment and so bailed after the initial test. Next step is probably to sell the infrastructure to an incumbent ISP and move on to the next big idea.

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    8. Re:Low Takeup by skam240 · · Score: 1, Troll

      A also took a dump right when it happened. Since, as you suggest, events with similar timing are linked, how does my shit factor into this?

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    9. Re: Low Takeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or because Google has a history of hyping stuff up then canceling it out of the blue.

    10. Re:Low Takeup by Megane · · Score: 2

      Was it a high-fiber shit?

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    11. Re:Low Takeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG, stfu. Do you seriously think Google is starving for data?? Like the demographics of 2700 Kansasites is going to make or break them?

    12. Re:Low Takeup by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Google's entire business model requires continuous and ever increasing access to user data. They're not starving for data now, but they need to secure future streams of user data or they will be starving in the future.

      This isn't about these specific exploitable resources in Kansas; they are just a small subset of resources and all of them are worthless to Google if they can't be data-mined for advertising purposes.

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    13. Re:Low Takeup by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      It's not like they didn't tell us...

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    14. Re:Low Takeup by skam240 · · Score: 1

      No.

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  6. Fiber served its purpose (but I still want it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that Google Fiber served its purpose. How many times did we hear stories of "Google Fiber comes to City Name, State. Incumbant internet providers increase speeds 10x for the same money!"

    The two local cable providers (Spectrum and Wide Open West) start you out at 60 and 100 Mbps, respectively. Prices have (of course) gone up, but the $/Mbps has gone down dramatically. Sure, Google Fiber is 1 Gbps, but I'm struggling to use 100 Mbps.

    1. Re:Fiber served its purpose (but I still want it) by darkain · · Score: 1

      Exactly this! I was seriously considering moving to a "Google Fiber" city to finally get good internet. Then all of a sudden, symmetrical FttH from Centurylink appeared just outside of Seattle where I live. They still really don't advertise that it is available here yet, though I've now had it over a year. Current rate is $80/mo I believe (though it is bundled with other services so total is higher)

    2. Re:Fiber served its purpose (but I still want it) by slashdice · · Score: 1

      Since google Fiber was only available in 7 locations, we heard it 7 times.

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    3. Re:Fiber served its purpose (but I still want it) by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Yeah...but you're still stuck in Seattle.

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  7. Maybe the installlers thought it was KC, Kansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an easy mistake to make when you've got guys using outdated paper maps and handwritten notes.

  8. Another Beta cancelled by Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People need to learn not to rely on Google's Beta products.

  9. This was sketchy from the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google had all sorts of issues, from gaining access to lay fiber to gaining rights to run lines on poles. Its more difficult than people think. Then you have to have a decent saturation of customers to help pay for this initial investment. With cable catching up to fiber in speed, I suspect many people felt the speed they had was plenty. Besides it was already available and in service, Google just dropped the ball on too many levels from doing the work on infrastructure quickly to securing enough customers.

  10. I got mine... by AmazinglySmooth · · Score: 1

    I hate to rub it in like a jerk, but I got mine. Two years ago, in Austin, GFBR announced and TW offered 300Mbps/20Mbps service for $65/mo. Then, GFBR took forever to roll it out, so TW raised the price fo $75 and then $95/mo. I downgraded to 200M/20M and bought my own modem to keep the price to $80/mo. Now GFBR is here and I get 1000/1000 for $70/mo. TW keeps sending me offers to come back... sad.

    1. Re: I got mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy it while it lasts.

    2. Re:I got mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm it's still fucking much. I get optics for half of that price but yeah I live in the part of planet where the income level is third of the USA wages. So it evens out tho I have to buy my iphones and macs at the same price lol...

    3. Re:I got mine... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sooner or later Google will get out of the business entirely and sell off their various operations to other ISPs. Odds are good that in your area they will sell out to TW, as the largest ISP in the region.

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  11. Well... it's google by orlanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly, it's something we have come to expect of Google. They take a fail cheap fail fast approach to everything. So they try a lot of different stuff but also cancel almost everything. It's a good strategy as far as staying innovative and profitable.

    But from a customer dependability view point Google has earned being at the bottom. You really can't build on top of google services and stick around. Eventually they will shell it and you will lose everything. This culture of theirs also makes it hard for enterprises to take them seriously. We are looking at Chromebooks and there are all these corner cases that Google has just never really thought about. They never built the services with an enterprise mindset. They just don't seem to know what a standard enterprise's needs are. Similarly they don't seem to understand the user's need for dependable and predictable services either.

    1. Re:Well... it's google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Google search, adwords, gmail. gdocs, android, gdrive, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... are here to stay.
      m$ shill go home.

    2. Re:Well... it's google by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 0

      They also don't seem to understand that if you run a streaming service, you need to curate your catalog, and listen when your users report errors. There are countless cases of artists with identical or even just similar names being lumped together, despite being wildly different. I have reported dozens of these cases over the last couple of years, but none of them have been fixed.

      Compare this to Spotify, who generally fix these types of errors within a week or two after receiving an error report.

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    3. Re:Well... it's google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about Google Fiber. That's totally here to stay.

      Google shill go home.

  12. Google only makes beta products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People need to learn not to rely on Google's Beta products

    Everything Google has ever made other than Adwords and Adsense.

    You can totally reply on those never-be-evil text ads. /s

  13. no bad they had good tv much better then most cabl by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    no bad they had good tv much better then most cable co's.

    With very good bit-rates.
    At the start you where able to buy added boxes with no outlet fees.

  14. What is interesting... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... is how the other ISP(s) in the area are handling this news, and how those other IPS(s) treat customers outside of this geographic area. Comcast's Latest Speed Upgrades Reach Kansas City, Minneapolis

  15. Google spurned Detroit, Rocket Fiber was born by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    Honestly, the purpose of Google Fiber seemed to be all over the map, worse, they only wanted to put it into communities that had little use for that much broadband.

    After turning Detroit down, flatly, even with a considerable market, Dan Gilbert invested in an effort that has brought world-class internet speeds to Detroit. They now provide the backbone for tech startups and established companies coming to Detroit.

    If Google couldn't figure out there was a market in Detroit and move on it, then it becomes obvious they never had any intention of making Google Fiber a real business. Kansas City? I can almost see Austin... but it moved too slow and had questionable goals. If they'd come to Detroit, they'd have enjoyed a regulatory green light and all the market they could want. They knew that... they were presented with real numbers and enough business to sustain it through full deployment - and they passed on it.

    Good riddance. Google Fiber was a pair of middle fingers thrown at the rest of America anyway. About the only thing it brought about was more insular laws protecting the monopolies of the big cable providers and ramped up those companies' efforts to eliminate net neutrality.

  16. Re:No Obstacle by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Longmont, CO only proves that it wasn't an obstacle once upon a time in Longmont, CO. Not only does it not prove it isn't an obstacle anywhere else, it doesn't even prove that it remains the case in Longmont, CO.

  17. I wonder if Google now knows the costs by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    Perhaps Google has discovered the costs of installing fiber to the home and it's a lot more than they first thought. Now Google will find out the cost of operating and maintaining their systems and those that have their service may find the price of continued subscriptions may go up, but I don't know that for sure. In addition, Google has reduced the number of folks involved in fiber operations, supposedly to investigate some kind of RF method for delivery of very high speed Internet and TV. How's that working out? I'm not anxiously waiting to see.

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    1. Re:I wonder if Google now knows the costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhhhh They not only bought the company that does this already, (Webpass) https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

      But they have since laid off many Google Fiber employees as well.

      I had to look twice to make sure this crappy summary wasn't from last year. WTF?

  18. Google did its job. by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    Before Google Fiber nobody in this area was offering affordable 100Mbps, much less gigabit. Now there are multiple carriers offering it at near-Google prices. They cracked the market open.

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    1. Re:Google did its job. by supremebob · · Score: 1

      The problem is that they only helped broadband adoption in a handful of areas. There are still major urban metros (like Seattle) that still have crummy broadband options.

      We really need more community broadband projects! Let the cities figure out the issue themselves instead of being beholden to Big Cable and Big Telco for access.

    2. Re:Google did its job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we need that. But look at Sun Prairie WI, where the city council is considering selling the municipal fiber network.

    3. Re:Google did its job. by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      And yet, still 25 times slower than Korea for five times the price.

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  19. Fiber != wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The company says it has slowed down in some areas to experiment with new techniques," such as wireless technology, the report also said.

    Uhm.. Wireless fiber..?

  20. Welcome to the new normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is happening industry wide. Before the pen hit the paper on net-neutrality one company after another announced cancellations of their projects. They saw what happened to the health care industry after the government took it over and it was gone in a flash.

    1. Re: Welcome to the new normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the govt never took over the healthcare industry. 4Head

      Nice story telling there. Got any other lies^H^H^H^H stories you want to tell us?

  21. Ah Yes the Verizon Plan... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    RTA: "The company says it has slowed down in some areas to experiment with new techniques," such as wireless technology, the report also said

  22. It's Not New and Shiny Any More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google: it's not new and fun any more. It's starting to look like a long-term commitment, with some serious resistance to overcome and some ongoing cost, so we've lost interest. See 'ya.

  23. It's obviously cost related. by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

    Anyone who thinks that a wireless solution can compete with fiber in the long run, is having a pipe dream.

    1. Re:It's obviously cost related. by rfengr · · Score: 1

      True that. Any neighborhood with shade trees and non LOS to a tall, central structure and kiss mmWave goodbye.

  24. SpaceX + Google have a planet-wide coverage plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SpaceX and Google have a plan for a planet-wide net coverage service via a large constellation of LEO satellites. There are some initial pieces of paperwork on it filed with the FCC.

  25. not true. collecting your data for ads is hot by swschrad · · Score: 1

    and that is, was, and never will be a beta product for the Google folk.

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  26. The ultimate Google wireless solution by Anon+E.+Muss · · Score: 1

    LEO satellites aren't worth it. You get high latency and high cost.

    I expect Google will end up deploying a wireless network based on RFC1149. The latency sucks, but you can't beat the price.

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