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Judge: eBay Can't Be Sued Over Seller Accused of Patent Infringement (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: It's game over for an Alabama man who claims his patent on "Carpenter Bee Traps" is being infringed by competing products on eBay. Robert Blazer filed his lawsuit in 2015, saying that his U.S. Patent No. 8,375,624 was being infringed by a variety of products being sold on eBay. Blazer believed the online sales platform should have to pay him damages for infringing his patent. A patent can be infringed when someone sells or "offers to sell" a patented invention. At first, Blazer went through eBay's official channels for reporting infringement, filing a "Notice of Claimed Infringement," or NOCI. At that point, his patent hadn't even been issued yet and was still a pending application, so eBay told him to get back in touch if his patent was granted. On February 19, 2013, Blazer got his patent and ultimately sent multiple NOCI forms to eBay. However, eBay wouldn't take down any items, in keeping with its policy of responding to court orders of infringement and not mere allegations of infringement. In 2015, Blazer sued, saying that eBay had directly infringed his patent and also "induced" others to infringe. That lawsuit can't move forward, following an opinion (PDF) published this week by U.S. District Judge Karon Bowdre. The judge found that eBay lacked any knowledge of actual infringement and rejected Blazer's argument that eBay was "willfully blind" to infringement of Blazer's patent. The opinion was first reported yesterday by The Recorder (registration required).

35 comments

  1. eBay? What's that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I quit using almost two decades ago.

    1. Re:eBay? What's that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story, gramps.

    2. Re:eBay? What's that. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I quit using almost two decades ago.

      So did it, ever since methadone became readily available. But I think we were talking about eBay.

    3. Re:eBay? What's that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't remember what eBay is, how do you know you used it almost two decades ago?

  2. DMCA doesn't work on patents by Anubis+IV · · Score: 0

    Unlike copyrights, which have the DMCA to help them force companies like eBay to take down materials that allegedly violate copyright, there's no such protection for patents. Instead, patent owners need to directly take the issue up with the actual person violating their patent. ...which is how it should be. ...which is how copyrights should be too, but that's another topic.

    1. Re:DMCA doesn't work on patents by mysidia · · Score: 1

      This is true, but an enterprise with an infringed patent would likely find some kind of Copyright claim to make in order to file a DMCA letter.
      Then if the infringement claimed in the DMCA letter were disputed by the offender, the lawyers would bring up Both the copyright AND the counterfeit goods, trademark, and patent infringement issues.

    2. Re:DMCA doesn't work on patents by msauve · · Score: 1

      Yep. eBay doesn't sell anything other than a service. They just provide that service to connect buyers and sellers.

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  3. So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Must have been a REAL original idea seeing as it was being sold by others before he got his patent.

    1. Re:So sad by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Must have been a REAL original idea seeing as it was being sold by others before he got his patent.

      Even if they started after, it is unlikely that they "stole" his idea. Nobody reads through millions of patents looking for product ideas to steal. They might have "stole" the idea if he actually made a competing product, but TFA mentions nothing about that. Most likely, the other products were independent developments of a fairly obvious contraption. Bug traps like these have been around for decades.

      Anyway, eBay offered to take down the allegedly infringing products if Blazer could show them a court ruling that they were actually infringing. He failed to do that. So not only was his case weak, he didn't even follow proper legal procedure.

    2. Re:So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter in the legal sense.

      If this type of trap never existed (physically or conceptually) before he filed (in 2009), then he was first to invent this trap, and is entitled to the patent according to our laws. I don't know if that's the case - if someone can identify prior art, then the patent can easily be invalidated, which may be a consequence if the patent owner decides to sue someone for it. One also has to carefully read the patent (which most /. readers don't) to really understand what aspects of it are unique, and how the products on ebay infringe.

    3. Re:So sad by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Nobody reads through millions of patents looking for product ideas to steal.

      Quite untrue. There are plenty of thieves willing to steal anything that isn't adequately protected. Read E. H. Armstrong's biography, or how someone tried to take Murray Leinster's front projection system.

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    4. Re:So sad by sjames · · Score: 1

      That was a long time ago when the quality of patents was high enough to make it worthwhile. Now it's full of cat teasers and basic wheels.

  4. Stupidity by meglon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So a commonly used "trap" he labels "for carpenter bees," and he then thinks that gives him rights to shut down all the prior art traps out there. The patent shouldn't have been granted in the first place. These are the types of patents that are just fucking stupid.

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    1. Re:Stupidity by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      These are the types of patents that are just fucking stupid.

      Along with all the rest.

  5. Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by mellon · · Score: 2

    His big mistake is neither incorporating nor filing suit in West Texas, where I'm sure his claims would have been upheld. On the one hand, this shows what a judge who isn't trying to lure patent cases will decide. On the other hand, what a sadly missed opportunity!

    1. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Marshall is in East Texas... thank you very much.

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    2. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Marshall is in East Texas... thank you very much.

      That's too bad. West Texas is almost as nice as New Mexico. East Texas is nearly as bad as Louisiana.

    3. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Let's not leave out North Texas, which sucks so prolifically that all the trees in Oklahoma lean south...

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    4. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      In reality he probably just need to go to the court and get an injunction, probably the eBay sellers will just give up at that point, and not persist in wanting to sell the items, and fight the case.

    5. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by swillden · · Score: 1

      His big mistake is neither incorporating nor filing suit in West Texas

      Well, that and suing eBay rather than the makers/sellers of the allegedly-infringing products.

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    6. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      In reality he probably just need to go to the court and get an injunction, probably the eBay sellers will just give up at that point

      It's fairly ironic that the Supreme Court precedent that would prevent him from "just" getting an injunction is eBay v. MercExchange....

    7. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Plus he can still sue e-bay according to the article "Quote" A patent can be infringed when someone sells or "offers to sell" a patented invention "End Quote" Moral of the story, get a good lawyer before suing??lol

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    8. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Plus he can still sue e-bay according to the article "Quote" A patent can be infringed when someone sells or "offers to sell" a patented invention "End Quote"

      No, he can't.

      The court extensively analyzed the "offer to sell" precedent and concluded that a listing on eBay is not an offer to sell by eBay. And the patent owner admitted eBay didn't "sell" the products at issue. This is all on pages 4-9 of the opinion linked in the summary (and is also explained in the rest of the Ars Technica article below the soundbite you clipped out).

    9. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Let's not leave out North Texas, which sucks so prolifically that all the trees in Oklahoma lean south...

      Let's not forget that it seems to attract tornadoes too!
      I spent a month in an Amarillo motel room one stormy night...

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    10. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by argumentsockpuppet · · Score: 1

      I don't know if that's original or not, but that's beautiful.

      I spent a month in an Amarillo motel room one stormy night

      If you didn't catch it, and I didn't the first glance, then re-read it.

    11. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is my own line, it fit really well for that night.

      More than one super cell in the area, local weather channel showing doppler radar with hook echos playing hide and seek in red and blue... it's a pretty tight spiral when you get the max coming and going colors in the same little hook. A few times the wind hit the door so hard I thought it was going to give, I have no idea why the window on the same wall (facing west) didn't break.

      I may have got three or four 15 minute naps, finally a couple hours just before dawn. And at first light I was out of there. Drove so fast I caught up with the squall line so I stopped to eat and let it pass me in the daylight.

      I have been near tornadoes in the light of day, and seen it go pitch dark in ten minutes. I watched one beautiful white funnel form and drop to the ground and seen the dirt and debris turn it black in ten seconds. Same funnel (about a mile away) hit a 250 gallon propane tank and it looked like someone lit a match while already blowing it out. The whole thing is mesmerizing until it dawns on you that the thing is not moving left or right and is getting bigger, and louder. They say don't drive away, but it pretty compelling if you are out on the flat near a mobile home (aka "tornado bait"). So you, and everyone who sees what you see, drives. I'm talking instant one way highway, no one driving towards the thing. Rain drops the size of a quarter (someone said the thing had just passed over a lake) and a noise I never want to hear again.
      And all of that is so much better than being a sitting duck in the dark... in a room with a TV... for long time...

      May you never have any encounters with this phenomena.

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    12. Re:Stupidly not filing in West Texas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His big mistake is neither incorporating nor filing suit in West Texas, where I'm sure his claims would have been upheld.

      You meant to say East Texas, right?

  6. Kill even more bees?? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Carpenter bees are very good pollinators. Keep a raw plank out for them. Seal and paint the rest of the house. If we lose honeybees were going to need all the pollinators we can find! Proof: http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcor...

  7. Too small by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Did we really need a proof that patent suits were for big companies with deep pockets?

    Most of the time they do not even sue, but just threat to sue, and the would-be infringer just surrender, because of fears about lengthy battle in court, where only the wealthier will survive.

  8. We're not 'losing' honeybees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no dangerous decline in the global honeybee population – in fact, bee populations are rising in North America and globally.

    "In 2015, there were 2.66 million commercial honey-producing bee colonies in the United States. That's down slightly from the 2.74 million colonies in 2014, which represented a two-decade high. The number of commercial bee colonies is still significantly higher than it was in 2006, when colony collapse disorder — the mass die-offs that began afflicting U.S. honeybee colonies — was first documented.

    Those 2.66 million colonies represent a greater number than just about any year since the late 1990s."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/10/believe-it-or-not-the-bees-are-doing-just-fine/
    https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/28/beepocalypse-myth-handbook-dissecting-claims-of-pollinator-collapse/

  9. Prior Art by ckatko · · Score: 1

    My father-in-law has been making (and selling) those things for over a decade...

  10. So the bees do all the work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the lawyers eat all the honey.

  11. Copyright Industry by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    See how much "better" the Copyright Industry has taken care of itself? First the term of copyright protection is many, many times that of the duration of a patent. For some unknown reason (which may include that there is none) the becoming freely available of an invention to benefit society as a whole after 2 decades of artificial monopoly is "good" but the becoming freely available of a creation is not. But this again, if you link to a page where there is a link to an unauthorized download of a copyrighted work, you YOURSELF are infringing (at least in the EU). Crazy isn't it? Wonder how all that came about... but yeah, if you ever have the chance to talk to a politician that is involved in these things, ask him/her to explain why it's great a brand-new invention becomes freely available after 2 decades, but a brand-new book, article, song, recording, movie, etc. will not in your entire lifetime and most of that of your kids. Any "argument" they use on behalf of the creator, ask why that doesn't equally apply to an inventor.

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