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GNOME Dev Schaller Assures Ubuntu Users the Move To Step Away From Unity Will Bring Consistency Across Linux Distros (gnome.org)
Earlier this week, Canonical announced that Ubuntu will be ditching Unity as the default user interface on desktops to go back to GNOME next year. The company also said that it will be ending development of Ubuntu software for phones and tablets, in what is a push to focus on cloud. In a blog post, Christian Schaller, a developer on Fedora and GNOME (and Senior Software Engineering Manager at Red Hat), offered some assurance to the community that this is the right move in the grand scheme of things. He writes on an official blog post: We look forward to keep working with great Canonical and Ubuntu people like Allison Lortie and Robert Ancell on projects of shared interest around GNOME, Wayland and hopefully Flatpak. It is worth mentioning that even as we [have] been competing with Unity and Ubuntu, we have also been collaborating with them, most recently on [the] integration of features they wanted from GNOME Software such as user reviews. Of course now sharing a bigger set of technologies collaboration will be even easier. I am personally happy to see this convergence of efforts happening because I have -- for a long time -- felt that the general level of investment in the Linux desktop has not been great enough to justify the plethora of Linux desktops out there. Now having reached a position where Canonical, Endless, Red Hat and Suse again share one desktop technology stack and along with consulting companies such as Centricular, CodeThink, Collabora and Igalia helping push parts of the stack forward, we are at least all pulling in the same direction. This change should also make life easier for ISV who now have a more clear target if they want to try to integrate their UI with the Linux desktop as 'the linux desktop' becomes a more meaningful term with this change.
Unity is ok, I'm not a big fan. Can't say I'm a big fan of modern gnome either. The whole full screen slide-out thing seems bloated, but I haven't had much chance to try to modify the functionality.
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would have been the right move. GNOME is a lateral one.
Unity sucked anyway, Gnome3 did everything Unity was trying to do but better.
And just to make sure we over all the bases in flames, SH is better than CSH and VI is better than EMACS.
BURN IT DOWN!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Just when I'd finally got used to the damn thing, after years of complaining about its early versions...
I have learned that "bringing consistency across linux distros" means being integrated into systemd, nowadays. Say hello to systemgnomed.
Another great blog post on the subject: https://slashdot.org/submissio...
LOL. Trust Schaller to be an asshole. Symptomatic he couldn't stop himself from lying about suse - which pretty much is a bastion of KDE, just to stroke his own ego.
Still not going back to Ubuntu after Unity. Gnome 3 isn't the right direction either for me. Maybe if they put their eggs in the Mate or Cinnamon basket I'd give them a whirl again but that isn't the case. Would have been really nice if they went with Mate instead, that'd draw me back.
The influence of RH becomes way too big in my opinion and becomes a danger for the flexibility of Linux and these arrogant guys know it all too well.
systemd, gnome, pulse,... all the same shit that they manage to export to other distros. Not sure how they do it but it should be stopped.
Right now there is not an immediate problem yet but you see that apps start slowly to depend on this and drop the legacy platforms which is not a good thing in my opinion (see firefox relying purely on pulse). It will kill the free choice we have today and makes lInux such a great platform.
Ultimately you were the push I needed to rediscover fvwm2
Il will bring a *consistently* bad UI.
A developer of GNOME thinks that one of the largest Linux distros giving up on their own DE and going back to GNOME is a great thing.
This is like that article a few days back where GE said that more robots in the factory was nothing to worry about.
Dear Slashdot: I'd be far more interested in commentary by people who don't have a conflict of interest with the topic.
Gnome 3 is just too different, no minimize/maximize buttons out of the box, I cant have a single taskbar with a list of open applications and the notification center. I dont understand how enterprise users would want such a jarring change, but I'm no UI developer.
I'm quite happy with windowmaker, not too bloated (yet).
To bad GNOME is only for linux and not other *nix's
I just want to say thank you for your insightful and constructive comment. Because as we all know optional software projects are directly comparable to the NAZIs
Is that both of these projects goals seem to be to REDUCE choice and diversity in the open source ecosystem... rather similiarly to certain political bodies and their actions both in the past, present, and undoubtedly in the future as well.
1) I give zero fucks about consistency across distros, especially when it comes to relatively trivial things like the desktop environment. The upstart/systemd flamewar is about a billion times more important and relevant, not that I'm particularly passionate about that one, either.
2) I never thought of Unity as particularly relevant to Ubuntu, because you don't have to install that part of Ubuntu..
2a) ..and I didn't. I use Ubuntu! From the XUbuntu installer.
2b) I've only seen one other person who did use Unity. It seemed a bit difficult and weird, but not impossible to use or anything like that. I don't think it was very popular with anyone.
3) GNOME?! Are you serious? Ok, whatever. I tried that a long time ago. It was fine, just not as good as .. pretty much everything else. Did it ever get as good as KDE? I'll admit I'm abotu a decade out of date. But like Unity, it seemed sufficiently usable. I wouldn't die if I had to use GNOME..
3a) .. but you don't have to, even if you run Ubuntu. The other desktop environments will still be there. Whatever you want, it's in the Ubuntu repos.
4) This happens everywhere. Windows was always weird and funny too, and I think there have been some new versions since XP that are even more controversial. And every fucking Mac OS X upgrade is a step forward and somewhere between .5 to 2 steps back. (I won't even recommend Mac OS X to laypeople anymore, and I really did used to!) Even GNOME can keep up with the other platforms in the race to suck the least. There's nothing to worry about.
Gnome still sufferers from the same stupidity that Unity did, that people don't need to do useful things with their computers.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
I remember trying Gnome3 back in 2012 and hating it so much I tried a bunch of tiling window managers. Awesome, xmonad .. I eventually settled on i3 and have never looked back. Tiling window managers are amazing.
With this move by Ubuntu I think we can expect to see the homogeneity of the Linux desktops and distributions to gain momentum.
First there was SystemD(eath) to replace "upstart" (another Ubuntu invention) and SysVIPC, and I did not complain loud enough.
Next came the demise of pure IA32 code in Linux in favor of x86_64 code, and I did not complain loud enough.
Now comes the demise of another innovative Ubuntu design, and I am not complaining loud enough.
So when do they come for me?
The only thing consistent about the Linux desktop is that it will remain a roundoff error for the foreseeable future, thanks to those who insist in pushing Gnome. Not such a bad thing though - people will remain on Windows, and crooks will carry on attacking Windows mostly. In the meantime, my Linux desktop (sans Gnome) does all that I need and want. So, thank you very much, Canonical, Red Hat and others. Keep up you good work to make sure that Linux on the desktop will never take off.
Ubuntu should have gone with MATE or Cinnamon. Gnome 3 sucks as badly as Unity does.
The so-called classic desktop in GNOME 3 is very minimal lacking lots of technology. So, it is lame.
But in the end, it does not really matter since I switched to Debian anyways.
I think it should have been smth. like "meinen Fuehrer".
Systemd. GNOME. Absolutely no originality besides mid-tier under the hood differences. I remember when distributions had personality and originality. Now it's just the same junk with a different default wallpaper.
every one has their preference. but as a face or the first thing a new user see's the default/s is important but so is understanding there are others and you have a choice. i still hope they will work on unity though it did give some uniqueness and still had some good ideas though in good ol OS fashion if at least one person cares they will pick up the project.
Consistency should not be the one and only goal. If that's all we wanted, we could have just rolled with whatever Microsoft felt like handing down.
I'm unhappy that pretty much all the major linux distros are the same nowadays, with RedHat pretty much calling the shots for everyone. Particularly since I disagree with them on much of their recent vision. Nowadays whether I choose Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, or OpenSuSE, it's all substantially the same thing: whatever RedHat thinks it should be. Sure there's this big divide in deb versus rpm, but that's far less relevant day to day than the software stack that gets installed.
Of course, Mir and Unity weren't exactly the things I really would have favored.
Gnome is interesting, in that I think in terms of relaibilty/quality, it does quite well. However UI wise it's frustrating and a bit too high and mighty. Customize your desktop? Only if you are a programmer, otherwise you are stuck with what they give you. They think a tray is 'evil' and endeavor to punish apps trying to do tray things by making them massively annoying by default (requiring 'topicons plus' for remotely sane behavior). They finally have some semblance of window search, but the UI is atrocious, making their expose rip off of limited utility.
KDE tends to have a more compatibile UI vision with me, but too many glitchy behaviors crop up every time I go to use it, and not-quite fully executed concepts.
I'm encouraged by MATE's recent porting to GTK3, though the time it took was a worrying sign of how well they will do at keeping currency moving forward.
What really disappoints me is that GNUstep/Windowmaker has not gotten more care and feeding. I still enjoy the experience, but without compositing and particularly scaling windows with some sort of search, I just can't bring myself to use it.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
s/nen/ne/
Cinnamon is so much a better desktop experience than Gnome 3.
I have called for the removal of the Gnome leaders, for abandoning people who need to get work done.
Activities menu? You have to be kidding me!
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
Everyone defaulted to KDE windows would not even exist, and power uses could gnome.
In the same sentence? Isn't that kind of like systemd and stability?
There was a Common Desktop Environment for *nix years ago (CDE) but mostly just the company pushing it (Sun Microsytems) liked it and nearly everyone else used something else. Even Sun gave up on it.
I can't see the current version of Gnome as being a better choice than Unity or even the previous (deliberately incompatible to the point of breakage if it's on the same system) version of Gnome.
Trying to converge everyone to that is IMHO doomed to failure even if RedHat push it as hard as they have pushed trying to get everyone onto SystemD.
Fuck you Gnome cunts. fuck you arseholes you fucking poofs and cunts. Im going to kill the fucking lot of you fucking arsehats and cunts.
Fuck gnome 3 or whatever the fuck that pile of steaming shit if called. fuck all you red hat cunt fucking cunts. fuck you cunts the cunty cunty cunts
No proprietary drivers from AMD and Nvidia for wayland and the open source drivers are slow and useless and Gnome 3 still sucks