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Google Kills Off Octane JavaScript Benchmark Due To 'Diminishing Returns and Over-Optimization' (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the killing-things dept.

Google has announced that its widely used Octane JavaScript benchmark is being retired, with Google saying that it's no longer a useful way for browser developers to determine how best to optimize their JavaScript engines. From a report: Google goes as far as saying that developers were essentially cheating the system. It says that compiler optimizations needed to achieve high benchmark scores have become common and, in the real world, these optimizations translate into only very small improvements in webpage performance. In fact, in some instances it was found that tactics used to boost benchmark performance actually had a detrimental effect on real-world performance. Developers exploited known bugs in Octane to achieve higher scores than were warranted, and Google believes the time has now come to retire the system completely.

88 comments

  1. Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has the time come for a world without Google?

    1. Re:Kill Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You mean before the dot com bust? That was before you were born.

    2. Re:Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP is obviously older than the dot com bubble since OP can conceive of a world without Google. How fucking stupid are you, fat ugly stupid troll.

    3. Re:Kill Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      OP is obviously older than the dot com bubble since OP can conceive of a world without Google.

      I didn't read it that way.

      How fucking stupid are you, fat ugly stupid troll.

      I made the president's list for maintaining a 4.0 GPA when I got my A.S. degree in computer programming while working 60+ hours as a video game tester and teaching Sunday school after the dot com bust.

    4. Re:Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing. I graduated with honors with a 4.9999 GPA and an M.S. degree in computer science. I am an apostle of the holy Saint Stallman, I volunteer 100 hours a week as a free software contributor, and I don't get paid for my work because I'm holier than thou.

    5. Re: Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make those remarks on nearly every article you post on. While I don't wish to lessen your earlier achievements, you place a great deal of emphasis on looking for some sort of approval that you believe you're due for early life achievement, but you don't follow up with "and since then I have accomplished...". If I recall correctly, you also seem to be learning assembler and compiler tech from some out of date books which is commendable.

      The point I'm trying to make here is that you don't need to list your resume every time you feel challenged. Slashdot draws trolls and it's an accepted component of Slashdot. I often write responses and before clicking submit, I go back and reread what I wrote and realize that sometimes it's better to just not respond than to click that button.

      Be proud of your own accomplishments and achievements. Embrace your goals. Don't look for approval from people on Slashdot, you have to post something truly exceptional to be greater with anything but flames.

      P.S. I'd post properly, but I simply don't remember my username or password for Slashdot and I'm on my phone which doesn't have Google there to remember it for me.

      Be well. I wish you the best. You have a lot to offer. Don't cheapen it to the point that people actually begin to remember you as "The guy who posts his high school resume on every thread"

    6. Re: Kill Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      While I don't wish to lessen your earlier achievements, you place a great deal of emphasis on looking for some sort of approval that you believe you're due for early life achievement, but you don't follow up with "and since then I have accomplished...".

      That's because I'm not here looking for approval.

      Don't look for approval from people on Slashdot, you have to post something truly exceptional to be greater with anything but flames.

      The purpose of Slashdot is to keep me amuse while I'm waiting for a script to finish at work.

      Don't cheapen it to the point that people actually begin to remember you as "The guy who posts his high school resume on every thread"

      This is Slashdot, not LinkedIn. No one gives a shit about what I do on Slashdot. On LinkedIn, I have connections to 800+ recruiters. So you won't see me post anything on LinkedIn.

    7. Re:Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      literally everything you just listed supports the claim that you're an idiot. hint: you're not an idiot compared to the busboy bringing you your coffee. you are an idiot well below average for this site though.

      1) video game tester: ridiculous joke of a job for stupid people

      2) associates degree in computer programming: you went to Devry because you couldn't get into college. real schools don't have degrees in "computer programming," nor is a 2-year degree a real degree.

      3) Sunday school. you're religious = moron

    8. Re:Kill Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      1) video game tester: ridiculous joke of a job for stupid people

      As a video game tester for six years, I wrote 30,000+ bug reports. As a lead video game tester, I was responsible for leading 10 titles through QA, trained three assistants to become lead video game testers, and worked extensively with developers all over the world. Stupid people don't last in this job if they don't figure out the difference between playing and testing video games.

      2) associates degree in computer programming: you went to Devry because you couldn't get into college.

      I transferred to university and got kicked out in my junior year for playing too many games of Magic: The Gathering. When I went back to community college a decade later to learn computer programming, it was paid for with a $3,000 tax credit signed into law by George W. after 9/11.

      3) Sunday school. you're religious = moron

      I got kicked out of a church that I went to for 13 years because I accused the local leadership of being morally corrupt—and they proved my point by making it personal ("you made me look bad") instead of spiritual ("God forgive for we are sinners").. I'm no longer a fan of organized religion. The only time religion makes you a moron is when you stop thinking.

      Now go find someone else to play with, troll.

    9. Re:Kill Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) yeah man. that's what smart people with marketable skills want to do. write 30k bug reports. you're a fucking video game tester. you have no skills. testing video games is one step up for data entry. you are literally below helpdesk monkeys.

      2) so... you got kicked out of college and got an a non-degree from the shithole where secretaries learn msoffice. gotcha.

      3) morons never think they're morons. it's not my job to change their mind, and I like my morons to stay dumb, like you. they're more entertaining that way.

      dipshit, you literally said Zero to counter any of the claims made. in fact, you've reinforced the fact that you're a moron. and yes, believing in pink unicorns, organized or not, does mean you have to be a moron. again, you're on the wrong fucking site. go to reddit and hang out with the helpdesk staff. aah fuck, you'd be dumb there too.

    10. Re:Kill Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      1) yeah man. that's what smart people with marketable skills want to do. write 30k bug reports. you're a fucking video game tester. you have no skills. testing video games is one step up for data entry. you are literally below helpdesk monkeys.

      I was a help desk technician for nearly six years. I closed 300 to 700 tickets per month with a 98.8% SLA rate. I was always number three the department because the phone guys got all the five-minute tickets.

      2) so... you got kicked out of college and got an a non-degree from the shithole where secretaries learn msoffice. gotcha.

      Spreadsheet manipulation wasn't something I learned at college but on the job. One of my coworkers recently found a neat DOS trick for merging CSV files into one CSV file:

      copy *.cvs single.cvs

      Instead of working off of multiple spreadsheets, we can merge them together into one spreadsheet with a minimal amount of clean up.

      3) morons never think they're morons. it's not my job to change their mind, and I like my morons to stay dumb, like you. they're more entertaining that way.

      Says the moronic troll.

      dipshit, you literally said Zero to counter any of the claims made.

      Why would I? I'm posting facts that dispute your moronic ASSumptions.

  2. Meaning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Chrome isn't the best at this benchmark so we've retired it

  3. Now if more benchmarks would take a bow... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Across the industry, benchmarks become a double edged sword when the industry embraces it too much and matures.

    There are certain benchmarks that drive technology to make choices that can get them 2-3% wins compared to other things on the market, but that translates into real world performance that can be 50% slower in pretty much anything but the particular benchmark.

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    1. Re:Now if more benchmarks would take a bow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Across the industry, benchmarks become a double edged sword when the industry embraces it too much and matures.

      I wish Goggle in particular would butt out of these issues. It can't function as an honest broker when it's bottom line is tied to advertising and software "mindshare". Their recommendations are driven by their desire for ad dollars (and boosting their corporate image), but serving more ads, faster, is hardly a universal measure of success. However, most people (tech and non-tech) see them as a "technology" company that has a natural interest in making everything as awesome as possible.

      So, I get web development clients who want to build their entire site around a target "Page Speed Insight" score. Never mind that doing so would not serve any identifiable business goal, or that these recommendations are frequently in conflict with actual goals, and themselves. A quantifiable "score" from Google is an attractive nuisance.

      And, yeah, chasing these scores often results in a worse user experience.

      Google, don't "help".

    2. Re:Now if more benchmarks would take a bow... by Roger+Wilcox · · Score: 1

      No, benchmarks do not become a double-edged sword. They are simply misused and misunderstood.

      An automated software benchmark has value only to a developer or development team evaluating their own code. Anyone using such a benchmark for any other purpose (like comparing the performance of their code to the performance of others' code) is misusing the tool, and in doing so potentially drawing faulty conclusions.

      Automated benchmarking tools are not a perfect measurement and they never will be. They are not an and-all solution to anything. They are simply one way to do a quick (and possibly very dirty) analysis of your code. To be useful at all they must be properly understood as such.

      The real issue here is this: too many people either believe or like to pretend that some particular benchmark is a god. It isn't, and their naivete or pretension is leading them and others astray.

    3. Re:Now if more benchmarks would take a bow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care how optimized the Java Engine becomes unless the optimized engine can compensate for all the poorly designed web applications you run across every day. Is your web app slow and insecure? Before you complain about the browser or Java engine slowing things down you might want to get the app developers to do a better job.

  4. New idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Running your scripting language in a browser that runs directly within the host operating system is outdated, we need more layers. Make a scripting language in a browser that runs in a virtual machine in a browser, and then optimize the shit out of it so you can use it as a general "application" framework.

    1. Re: New idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe create one in minecraft, some guy already did a word processor so...

    2. Re: New idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does, dumbass. Its called the JavaScript sandbox.

  5. Octane Recruiter... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A recruiter called yesterday about wanting to "octane my particular skill set" for a job.

    https://twitter.com/cdreimer/status/852671049942446081

    1. Re: Octane Recruiter... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Please stop spamming your Twitter crap here.

      You're confused. I was sharing something, not selling something.

      Whatever you're going on about has nothing to do with the Octane benchmark that we are talking about here.

      This is Slashdot. You must be new around here.

  6. I wish they would retire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 0-60 benchmark for cars. It's totally unnecessary for people who aren't NASCAR drivers, unless they want to know how fast they can get drunk and drive into a brick wall. And black people that drive while crunk.

    1. Re:I wish they would retire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to look at them. If all unnecessary shit would be retired, all you would be doing is going to work, eating and sleeping. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it needs to be banned.

    2. Re: I wish they would retire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather have a 0-65 benchmark in meters. It is useful when you have to merge on a highway with very short onramps

  7. Why is Slashdot pushing "BetaNews" so much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I'm most curious about is why Slashdot is running a submission that links to this "BetaNews" site almost every day.

    On March 31 this "BetaNews" site was linked to from two submissions, and on March 25 it was linked to from three!

    The "BetaNews" articles really don't add anything of value, in my opinion. Often, like in this case, they just regurgitate the real announcement, and then add some useless filter babble around the quote they took from the original source.

    Slashdot editors, please reconsider all of these submissions that link to "BetaNews". The quality just isn't sufficient, even by Slashdot's low standards. Remove the "BetaNews" links from such submissions, and just link to the original announcement or article instead. Or if you're too lazy to do that, just discard any submission that links to the "BetaNews" site.

  8. "Oh crap, other browsers beat us at our own test!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Solution: Obsolete the test and insist that the latest benchmarks are not "real performance". :P

  9. Re:"Oh crap, other browsers beat us at our own tes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democrats in the USA tried to do this with the electoral college during the last election. It was funny.

  10. Fix the bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Developers exploited known bugs in Octane to achieve higher scores than were warranted, and Google believes the time has now come to retire the system completely.

    Instead of retiring the system, why not fix the known bugs?

    1. Re:Fix the bugs by green1 · · Score: 2

      Because that would be very un-google of them. Google rarely fixes known bugs, but frequently retires platforms.

  11. Re:Kill off GoogleAds infecting/slowing/tracking by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No it is just our very own APK. As a long time /.er you should be well familiar that if you point out any failings with his hosts file engine or happen to criticize him in any way expect an even more incoherent rant and personal attacks. Each one gets more vulgar and towards the end he is usually threatening to cause grievous bodily harm. He will also fly off the handle at just about anyone so you don't really need to slight him or draw his ire. Don't try arguing with him and in most cases don't respond because he seems to watch his posts like a hawk and will provide some circular arguments as the thread progresses. Then, as the legend in his own mind he is, he will declare that he showed you and the world the genius that is his own personal madness. He will respond to my post and will also claim that I have a fake online identity yet he hides behind good old Anonymous Coward but at least signs his garbage rants but even then who knows if they are from the same person as it seems it wouldn't be that hard to impersonate him.

    It is fun winding him up and I do it from time to time although I usually arrive too late in the thread for it to get any real notice. He is really no better than the golden girls guy, the apps guy, or the GNAA guy.

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  12. If you are coding around a performance benchmark.. by Roger+Wilcox · · Score: 1

    As a professional developer: if you are coding around a performance benchmark, you are doing it wrong.

    These kinds of tools exist for developers to evaluate the performance of their own code. Anyone who uses them in any other fashion (like to evaluate the performance of someone else's code, for example) needs to take the results with a grain of salt, and that will always be the case for any automated software benchmark.

    That Google feels the need to retire Octane over this is almost unbelievable... there must be some ulterior motivation.

  13. LOL THE SOURCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The BetaNews reporter wrote 3 generic paragraphs and then copy-pasted the Google announcement. Enable ad blocker on that site. They bring no value or extra knowledge on top of the original post.

  14. Re:If you are coding around a performance benchmar by PCM2 · · Score: 2

    That Google feels the need to retire Octane over this is almost unbelievable... there must be some ulterior motivation.

    Why that assumption? Google explained its reasons quite clearly:

    Investigations into the execution profile of running Octane versus loading common websites (such as Facebook, Twitter, or Wikipedia) revealed that the benchmark doesn’t exercise V8’s parser or the browser loading stack the way real-world code does. Moreover, the style of Octane’s JavaScript doesn’t match the idioms and patterns employed by most modern frameworks and libraries (not to mention transpiled code or newer ES2015+ language features). This means that using Octane to measure V8 performance didn’t capture important use cases for the modern web, such as loading frameworks quickly, supporting large applications with new patterns of state management, or ensuring that ES2015+ features are as fast as their ES5 equivalents.

    In addition, we began to notice that JavaScript optimizations which eked out higher Octane scores often had a detrimental effect on real-world scenarios.

    If you think about the above, consider also that every JavaScript engine in use today that I can think of is open source. That means the projects accept contributions from independent developers all over the world. Many of those developers may be submitting patches designed to improve the performance of the engine. It may even be that most of the patches are designed to improve performance. But if the "proof" that the patches increase performance is the Octane benchmark suite, and the Octane suite doesn't model real-world web scenarios, then some of those performance "enhancements" may actually decrease real-world performance.

    Google is retiring the benchmark suite so that good-intentioned open source developers will not be able to use it as a proof point for why their patches improve performance, when in fact they don't.

    P.S. It seems one other group is disappointed that the benchmark is going away, though, and that's Chromebook fans. They've been using Octane to benchmark the performance of hardware from different vendors running the same version of Chrome OS. That still seems like a legit use case to me.

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  15. Lesson re-learned: by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    People are smarter than computers.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  16. Re:"Oh crap, other browsers beat us at our own tes by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Solution: Obsolete the test and insist that the latest benchmarks are not "real performance". :P

    That would be insightful if it weren't for the fact that Chrome is one of the best benchmarked browsers in Octane.

    But the difference between browsers is just so minimal that quite frankly no one should give a crap about these benchmarks anymore. It's nothing more than e-penis measurement at this point.

  17. Re:"Oh crap, other browsers beat us at our own tes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solution: Obsolete the test and insist that the latest benchmarks are not "real performance". :P

    That would be insightful if it weren't for the fact that Chrome is one of the best benchmarked browsers in Octane.

    The fact that you said "one of the best" instead of "the best" is the point here. Any company that makes a benchmark (or other test) for a product they make never intends for a competitor to come out as #1.

  18. Kill off GoogleAds infecting/slowing/tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  19. I use OpenDNS (OS IP stack+router) & hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depending on routers only = DUMB since if you move those devices off that 'secured' router they're = attackable minus hosts on 'em!

    * ...& I use OpenDNS in router + OS IP stack settings too & you should w/ hosts/firewalls/patching/security tweaks layered security/defense in depth)

    HOWEVER:- OpenDNS though patched vs. Kaminsky redirect & filter vs. threats (99.999% of ISP DNS aren't) = A SINGLE POINT OF FAIL

    ROUTER SECURITY BUGS https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9995967&cid=53488785/ + DNS SECURITY ISSUES: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=51969075/

    APK

    P.S.=> See you had to abuse downmod points to hide this last 2x I posted it https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54236755/ + https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54236985/ - you fail (you can't beat my facts) - rest of your CRAP boy = bullshit... apk

  20. BobTheSuperWeasel had to EAT his words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You said users liking my work were fake & you had to EAT YOUR WORDS recently https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10458715&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=54192877/

    * So WHO attacked whom personally? You did me!

    (I made you EAT YOUR WORDS, liar troll with a FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIFE... lol!)

    Addendum: See you had to "downmod hide" this 2x now (& sockpupppet upmod yourself, lol) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54236221/ & https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54237057/

    APK

    P.S.=> What a hypocrite - don't you have anything BETTER to do? Apparently not. I do, I give folks what they want & need + they like it, proof's here (very partial only) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54237031/ so why don't YOU do the same? Oh, that's right - you're incapable of GOOD & do only bogus trolling behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE OF A LIFE full of lies I made you eat your words on... apk

  21. /.ers don't think it's garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell

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    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

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    I like your host file system by Karmashock

    I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

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    APK

    P.S.=> ENJOY EATING YOUR WORDS - eating your words != good nutrition... apk

  22. Security/web pros agree hosts = good security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS):

    http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    "The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."

    "... More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware"

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    Steve Gibson endorses hosts as good https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-045....

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    Brocke Wilders of WILDERS' SECURITY does via an inferior clone of MY PROGRAM http://www.wilderssecurity.com...

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my work http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> What's that you said FAKE NAME for yer FAKE LIFE online loser? apk

  23. Fake name online: Which of these = you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Advertiser/malwaremaker/inferior competitor: Hosts = good layered security. Security pros say it https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238231/ which I notice you downmodded to hide (facts that make you EAT YOUR WORDS, lol...).

    * Tip your hand on WHO you REALLY are a little more, keep showing us your 'tell' behind your FAKE NAME online for your FAKE life, lol!

    (Unlike you? I've written security guides the planet uses, highly rated, & I was paid for them based on the HIGHLY esteemed CIS tool that took fixes from me too no less https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&spf=68/ - and YOU? Zero!)

    APK

    P.S.=> ALL THOSE DOWNMODS OF MY POSTS W/ FACTS IN 'EM YOU CAN'T GET THE BETTER OF TOO? Hahahaha, thank you for proving MY points & that YOU = a fake name online "ne'er-do-well" loser troll!... apk

  24. Use hosts @ all possible endpoints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Routers only w/ security bugs (tons below) = central point of fail & if device moved off router it's not protected as it would be w/ hosts on it.

    * My hosts engine gives users more speed, security, reliability & anonymity online for FREE using less & doing more than ANY other "so-called 'solution'" does natively + /.ers DISAGREE w/ you bigtime OUTNUMBERING YOU NOT SAYING MY WORK IS GARBAGE https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238177/ they LIKE & USE IT + Malwarebytes' people HOST & RECOMMEND IT - how about YOUR non-existent work?

    (Exporting its result to say Android = ADB easy & SSH easy on iPhone (rooted)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Router bugs https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9995967&cid=53488785/ & dns bugs https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=51969075/- they CAN be compromised - NOT using hosts is NOT GOOD layered security/defense in depth... apk

  25. Reduced to impersonating me? Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Ya tip yer hands ya can't defeat truth/concrete verifiable undeniable FACTS I use or "The LORD of hosts" (so to speak)

    APK

    P.S.=> Especially on these that shut you the Fuck DOWN:

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238159
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238231/
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238131/
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54238177/

    ROTFLMAO & it takes SECONDS to repost 'em & gets you CHUMPS to blow ALL your "downmodpoints" & I'll be the LAST MAN STANDING (& You're ALL 'outta puny bullets' that bounce off me, lol - & you KNOW it!)... apk

  26. hmmmmm by gravewax · · Score: 1

    Chrome no longer gets top score.... This benchmark is irrelevant and time to be decommissioned. I am sure this is just pure coincidence!

  27. Re:BobTheSuperWeasel had to EAT his words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have seen you get smacked down here so many times its unreal. Your unwarranted arrogance is truly pathetic. Alexander Peter Kowalski is no more worthy a name than Anonymous Coward, both ring just as hollow and the list of accomplishments is thin to put it lightly. Respect is earned and your wanton advertising of a simple host file management utility with a Win2K lookin-ass GUI is doing you no favors. A pathetic hog of an application doing a job that any high school bootcamp coder could crank out with higher quality. It's not just some project on GitHub either, it's closed source and up to not just version 9; but 9++! 9++ version and years of spamming any forum or comments section that doesn't ban him immediately and he still hasn't learned how to write a damn sort, implement his own list, etc, and it really shows when you run his software. The only way I would ever eat my words would be if a new version was released that ran its sort in a reasonable amount of timed and fix the "Not Responding" bug. Until then you are making excuses for errors in your piece of shit app and also, "FUCK YOU!"

  28. Goodhart's Law by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".

  29. Re:"Oh crap, other browsers beat us at our own tes by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    The fact that you said "one of the best" instead of "the best" is the point here. Any company that makes a benchmark (or other test) for a product they make never intends for a competitor to come out as #1.

    Dumb. Chrome goes through Canary, Developer, and Beta channels before the general public ever sees a new build. You can use Octane on any of those. By your reckoning, of course no version of Chrome ever comes out behind. But what actually happens is the benchmark score bounces up and down with ongoing development of the engine.

    --
    Breakfast served all day!
  30. Re:Kill off GoogleAds infecting/slowing/tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's why your stuff is completely useless. First off, all of your autistic theories aside, your computer can safely access any host and be just fine.

    Here's my use case, and everyone else's. I don't have antivirus installed, nor do I need to. I do a browser-based scan of any pirated crap I download before installing it. That's really the only threat to my computer, and your shit does zero for it.

    What your simpleton little script that can be done with 5 lines of bash does do, is prevent my computer from accessing shit I don't want to see. Browser plugin adblocking does the same thing. In addition, it lets me block crap like yours - where I want to see some content from a domain, but not all content.

    Browser adblocking blocks everything your shit blocks, and much more. It is superior. Speed, bandwidth? I don't give a fuck. I'm on a 3Ghz xeon laptop with 32GB of RAM and dual SSDs. Your shit is inferior. If I did want something like what you do, put a script in task scheduler that does a wget from a bunch of sites with updated hosts files, sort unique them, and dump them to the local file. It takes 30 seconds to write. And now, I turn on adblock for slashdot again, and magically, all the APK posts disappear from this page. Can your program do that?

  31. Guess who is on your official geek card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Walnut Creek CDROM. I still have that cdrom and is my official geek card. I helped make a lot of floppies and zip disks from that CD." - by Bob the Super Hamste ( 1152367 ) on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @11:09AM (#52448195)

    See here stupid - you made floppies & zip disk from it? I put material they featured on it https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22Walnut+Creek+CDROM%22+and+%22APK+Cookie%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    APK

    P.S.=> Simtel has even far more - you sure "TALK" a lot BobTheSuperWeasel but I was actually DOING this stuff (professionally since 1994) before you even got out of school in 2001 & doing it well enough as hobby only on the side of the job working PROGRAMMING professionally (not being a menial like you working with tools that already exist using what guys like me MAKE for 'your kind' to merely USE)... apk

  32. /.ers disagree (you've done better? No) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

    take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall

    APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

    I like your host file system by Karmashock

    I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

    * My code's liked + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!

    APK

    P.S.=> Let's see YOU do the SAME or BETTER, you UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous "ne'er-do-well" (ain't happenin' & you KNOW it, lol)... apk

    1. Re:/.ers disagree (you've done better? No) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man my software is used all around the world. I just happen to know that you are an insane serial killer and am not willing to reveal personally identifying information.
       
      By the way, your mother's pussy was fucking wet.

  33. You've done more/better/earlier than these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows NT Magazine April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" pg 61

    (For SuperSpeed.com PAID CONTRACT (wrote parts of SuperCache 40% performance boost) & SuperDisk finalist @ MS Tech Ed 2x in a row 2000-2002 HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement)

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE 1997 "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue pg 210 #1 entry

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 pg 84

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 pg 92 MUST HAVE WARES

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - pg 83

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - pg 100

    GERMAN PC BOOK Data Becker "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000

    HOT SHAREWARE #46 issue pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain) 2001

    Paid for article @ PCPitstop in 2008 http://pcpitstop.com/news/winners.asp

    UltraDefrag64 Process Priority Control credited by lead dev -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2993462&group_id=199532&atid=969873

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject: Let's SEE it bullshit UNIDENTIFIABLE talker (those were ontop of programming professionally FULL time in Fortune 100/500 here)... apk

  34. /.ers disagree UNIDENTIFIABLE "ne'er-do-well" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

    take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall

    APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

    I like your host file system by Karmashock

    I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

    * My code's liked + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!

    APK

    P.S.=> Adblock/UBlock use far more resources & do far less != superior & don't offer as many speed OR security gains (they're inferior, period)... apk

    1. Re:/.ers disagree UNIDENTIFIABLE "ne'er-do-well" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      again, no one gives a fuck about the resources. ublock uses .5% CPU max loading any webpage. and I guess you redefined "far less" in your malfunctioning autistic dipshit brain. I don't see the ad networks with ublock, nor do I with your software. your software does not let me block specific things located on a domain. ublock does. you do less, not more, and your whole "program" is something a highschool nerd can write in 5 lines of shell script.

      you're claiming speed and resource advantages on a process that takes up no resources anywise, and for that extra .05% CPU I lose functionality. no thanks. and who gives a shit what the 10 people said that you're quoting? you've got everyone else making fun of your autistic bullshit. you're a fucking loser. enjoy your porn.

  35. So's mine but I can prove it, you can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I only put out a SMALL fraction of what I could + managed above & beyond full time work in the Fortune 100/500 (quite often) - prove your words UNIDENTIFIABLE blowhard (you can't can you? LOL, nope - you're all HOT bs AIR).

    * My hosts file engine alone shows it (from FREEWARE I do, even the highly esteemed Malwarebytes folks HOST & RECOMMEND my work, not yours) but this does even more https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10490055&cid=54240319/ & what've YOU done better, earlier & more of you can PROVE?

    ZERO from what I see hahahaha!

    APK

    P.S.=> See above & YOU KNOW IT + so do I & anyone else reading this as you "hide" behind UNIDENTIFIABLE ac posts... apk

  36. Re:BobTheSuperWeasel had to EAT his words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw you get smacked down by APK for telling lies Bob the Super Hamster https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10458715&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=54192877/ . Everybody on Slashdot did.

  37. Re:Reduced to impersonating me? Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody's stupider than you BobtheSuperHamste impersonating apk again after eating your words lying about him under your account https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10458715&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=54192877/ impersonating him there too. You are a stupid asshole BobtheSuperHamste forgetting to post anonymously to top off your usual stupid.

  38. Re:Reduced to impersonating me? Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bob the Super Hamste you humiliated yourself caught impersonating apk under your registered user account https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10458715&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=54192877// lying about him while impersonating him. What is your problem? That he can show he's done well and you can't despite your now unbelievable claim you have a computer science degree? Nobody believes the boy who cried wolf you liar. Nobody. You have effectively ruined yourself on slashdot. It's probably why you use fake names online. You're a no good jealous little lying stooge.

  39. LOL - you PROJECT you do... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You use AdBlock Bob the Super Hamste https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6339101&cid=48554751/ & it's BRIBED TO NOT WORK BY DEFAULT http://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-amazon-taboola-pay-adblock-plus-to-stop-blocking-their-ads-2015-2/

    Adblock = inefficient & hosts do more/use less 151mb http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/adblocker-memory-consumption.jpg/ in faster kernelmode natively.

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions/686041/which-leads-to-faster-browsing-an-ad-blocker-or-an-edited-hosts-file/

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less, uses more & IMITATION (uses hosts LATELY only) & no resolver (vs DNS issues & speed gains) & 64MB http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/adblocker-memory-consumption.jpg/ hosts = 16mb tops by default & in kernelmode NOT slower usermode & not easily detected like addons... apk

  40. Nobody cares, eh? WRONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Speaking for "everyone" in absolutes stupid? Ok UBlock memory consumption https://www.google.com/search?q=UBlock+memory+consumption&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/ AlmostAllAdsBlocked memory consumption https://www.google.com/search?q=Adblock+memory+consumption&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/ & that's not even noting CPU overuse vs. hosts too (& hosts get PRIORITY in kernelmode so they are faster, last post showed proof of that from me users noticed) & hosts are NOT easily detected to be blocked like addons are http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/14/ad_blockers_identify_you_to_advertisers/ & hosts do LOTS more for LOTS less.

    APK

    P.S.=> You can't win stupid - don't speak for "EVERYONE" dummy - you project you DO care... apk

  41. Hosts do more for less vs. addons & faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What hosts do addons can't (or as well):

    PROTECT vs.:

    1.) bad sites (past ads)
    2.) fastflux C&C
    3.) dynDNS C&C
    4.) DGA C&C
    5.) DNS down
    6.) poisoned dns
    7.) trackers (dnsrequestlogs/ads/transparent ISP proxy)
    8.) spam/phish payload
    9.) dns blocks
    10.) slowdown 2 ways: adblocks & hardcodes

    11.) Multiplatform
    12.) Ez data edit
    13.) Efficiency (cpu/ram/I-O)

    14.) UBlock no DNS bennys = poor imitation = "sincerest form of flattery"
    15.) NoScript tag parses. Hosts block ad script before it downloads!

    APK

    P.S.=> AB+ 151mb https://www.google.com/search?...

    UBlock 64MB https://www.google.com/search?...

    (hosts ~6mb)

    ClarityRay defeatable

    Don't work http://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-amazon-taboola-pay-adblock-plus-to-stop-blocking-their-ads-2015-2/

    SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions/686041/which-leads-to-faster-browsing-an-ad-blocker-or-an-edited-hosts-file/b

  42. Some "FYI" from old DOS guy... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works with more than just comma separated value. It works with any .txt file... put this in 1.txt:

    test1
    test2

    put this in 2.txt:

    test3
    test4

    @ tty/DOS prompt type:

    copy *.txt 3.txt

    APK

    P.S.=> Performs concatenation (piping will do pretty much the same & in DOS that's performed via these operators here http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/DOS7/pipes.html/ ) - @ a programmatic level via API, you can rename files by using movefile, ala:

    function RenameFile(const OldName, NewName: String): Boolean; register;
    var
      E : Exception;
    begin
      Screen.Cursor:=crHourGlass; // MOVE API, if file's in same // folder-directory, does rename... apk
      try
        try {API} // MUST RUN AS ADMIN GROUP USER... apk
          Result:= MoveFile(PChar(OldName), PChar(NewName));
        finally
          Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
        end;
      except
        begin
          Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
          APKStdErrHandler('Move/Rename Function ', E.Message);
          ShowMessage('Fatal Error on Rename/Move RenameFile Function: Write for help to program author @ apk4776239@hotmail.com with ErrMsg/Abend Info = ' + E.Message);
        end;
      end;
      Result:= True;
    end;

    Just some 'neat' little 'goofy' tricks/esoterica you may find useful one day if you're not aware of them (yes, you've given me shit before, but I overlook it) for both network admin type scripting or code... apk