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Studios, Writers Guild Avert Strike With Last-Minute Deal (hollywoodreporter.com)

Jonathan Handel, writing for The Hollywood Reporter: Talks between the Writers Guild of America and AMPTP studio alliance went down to the wire Monday night but ultimately resulted in a three-year deal, averting a threatened walkout that could have cost jobs and homes, hit the California economy with a $200 million blow per week, accelerated cord-cutting and driven audiences off linear channels and onto digital platforms. David Young, executive director of WGA West, confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter that a deal had been reached. Leaving the closed door meetings, Patric Verrone, who was WGA president last time the guild went on strike in 2007-2008, told THR it was a good deal for the writers. Michael Winship, president of Writers Guild East, echoed Verrone's comments and added that the union effectively mobilized the membership with the authorization.

75 comments

  1. Oh well by LS1+Brains · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would have been nice to send a bunch of "writers" packing. They don't so much write today as they do recycle anyway. No wonder people are moving their eyes away to new venues.

    1. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We don't want to see another instance of what happened to Heroes.

    2. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah. The last writer's strike gave us Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog. Would be nice to force them to get creative again.

    3. Re:Oh well by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They don't so much write today as they do recycle anyway.

      All culture is recycling. Ain't nothing new.

      Shakespeare lifted the plots of Julius Caesar, Anthony & Cleopatra, Coriolanus and other plays entirely from Plutarch, down to the smallest detail.

      Troilus and Cressida, and Mercutio's Queen Mab speech were all from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

      Stories is stories. You can dress 'em up, you can add sex or turn it into an animated movie starring cars with faces, but it's the same stories.

      Further, when someone comes out with something that is really original, people are as likely to complain as they are to love it.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    4. Re:Oh well by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Truly a sad day for humanity. What an incredible lost opportunity.

    5. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loss of late night writers would be a bit like shutting down news operations.

    6. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this was the only thing i noticed last strike.

      i loved heroes and those jerks ruined it

    7. Re:Oh well by walterhpdx · · Score: 1

      The writers strike a few years back was how we delved further into the plethora of reality TV. And how did that turn out? People bitching because there's nothing on anymore, even with 200 channels full of "programming".

  2. too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, this was all rather anti-climatic, wasn't it?

    1. Re:too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for them. Now tell me why I should care

    2. Re:too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me why should I care to tell you what you already know?

    3. Re:too bad by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      That was all the drama they could come up with this year. As I see it the scenario went like this....

      Writers: "What do we want to do this year?"

      Studios: "How about we publish in the news that we are in dispute and create a little suspense of our own eminent demise"

      Writers: "I like it, not only will we generate concern for us, but then we will not have to write any new material this year"

      Studios: "I like it, it's a win-win for both of us and we still will not produce any thing people will watch."

    4. Re:too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this was all rather anti-climatic, wasn't it?

      Agreed. It is as if those lackluster "writers" also wrote the ending to this strike....

    5. Re:too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but after all, the sequels, reboots and remakes aren't gonna happen without the writers.

  3. Collective bargaining makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you aren't good enough to deserve a favorable contract, why should someone better lend you their merit?
    If California got a right-to-work law, these unions would dry up and blow away overnight.

    1. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you aren't good enough to deserve a favorable contract, why should someone better lend you their merit?
      If California got a right-to-work law, these unions would dry up and blow away overnight.

      so true.

    2. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't say that the day after "victims of communism" day. Progressives will be aggrieved.

    3. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by ewhac · · Score: 2
      Spoken like a true Fountainhead-thumping Objectivist:

      If you aren't good enough to deserve a favorable contract, why should someone better lend you their merit?

      Fine. I have contacted all your underwriters and canceled all your insurance policies. I fail to see why my safer driving and healthy diet should inure to your benefit.

    4. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah? Well, I had sex with your wife!

    5. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unions fail wherever they're not propped up by the state.
      Insurance companies were doing just fine long before the individual mandate.
      An insurance company provides a genuine service; both parties benefit.
      Good actors, writers, and skilled workers don't need a union; only the mediocre benefit.

    6. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Because that is not how contracts work. The business will try and squeeze you out for everything. Rarely will you get what you are worth when you go on your own.

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      When you cant win, ad hominem.
    7. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by thaylin · · Score: 2

      you got this in reverse, Unions work when not undermined by the state. The purpose of right to work is not to help employees, but to undermine unions.

      Insurance companies were doing fine before the mandate, but citizens were not.
      And good actors, writers, and skilled workers still benefit from the union, just as much as the mediocre does.

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      When you cant win, ad hominem.
    8. Re:Collective bargaining makes no sense by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I fail to see why my safer driving and healthy diet should inure to your benefit.

      It's because everyone thinks they're a good driver, including the really bad drivers.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
  4. Supply and demand by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2


    Seems it's original material that's missing these days. There's loads of pretty faces that can recite lines with a medium emotional range.

    Say what you want but if there was no demand for their work no one would bother to negotiate with them.

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    A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
    1. Re:Supply and demand by Solandri · · Score: 0

      Supply/demand market mechanics don't work here. The writer's guild has a coerced monopoly of the supply. if a studio uses a script not written by a guild member, the guild will blacklist the studio, meaning none of their writers will write anything for the studio. Conversely, any writer not wanting to be blacklisted for life from the guild will not write a script for a studio without the guild's OK. That "MAFIAA" moniker is not just an ad hominem attack, it accurately describes how the industry operates.

    2. Re:Supply and demand by XXongo · · Score: 2
      Not quite. Studios can buy scripts not written by guild members, but the WGA does want writers to join the guild after selling a certain number of scripts.

      Basically, the WGA is a union. They work to prevent the studios from shafting the writers, which is something that the studios are notorious for doing. (the old saw used to be that (for some studios) payment was "on receipt of lawsuit.")

  5. I believe the summary quote is right... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    I can't believe either side let things get this far, because it just makes the truth more obvious and the more obvious it is, the faster the revolution goes.

    Neither studio nor writer had any leverage here. Both sides had everything to lose and nothing to win.

    One day we'll admit broadcast is a dead medium and concentrate on delivery of on-demand streams over the Internet, perhaps leaving a few FTA PBS stations in a much reduced spectrum so the poorest and most rural folk still have something.

    Of course, as the airwaves are national property, so the copper, fiber optic, and microwaves of the Internet should also be. Information infrastructure is too critical in the Information Age to let regional monopolies hold it hostage.

    1. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Of course, as the airwaves are national property, so the copper, fiber optic, and microwaves of the Internet should also be. Information infrastructure is too critical in the Information Age to let regional monopolies hold it hostage.

      So monopoly is evil but you'd hand over control of the net to the biggest monopolist of them all? Radio is fundamentally different. It does not have the infrastructure and maintenance costs of cabling.

    2. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      The government is - in theory - a monopoly beholden to the population. A regional private monopoly is responsible only to their shareholders.

      As the government maintains most roads, it can build, maintain, and operate most data infrastructure... either directly or by contracting the work out as required.

      And as with roads, it can levy taxes to support the work. The entire economy depends on it these days (and more than that, it's critical for culture and knowledge flow as well), it's not like you're enriching a few by taxing the many.

    3. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " It does not have the infrastructure and maintenance costs of cabling."

      Spoken like someone that has never run power cable to one of those broadcast towers. That maintenance cost still exists, just not quite as costly.

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    4. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by macraig · · Score: 1

      Of course, as the airwaves are national property, so the copper, fiber optic, and microwaves of the Internet should also be. Information infrastructure is too critical in the Information Age to let regional monopolies hold it hostage.

      Congratulations, you've just joined a very select fraternity of those who understand what true "network neutrality" would look like. Ignore the other response from the idiot who doesn't get it because he's been brainwashed by libertarian B.S. In his mindless hatred of all forms of guv'mint, he fails to grasp that by definition nothing owned by the public can possibly be a monopoly.

    5. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by macraig · · Score: 1

      Of course, as the airwaves are national property, so the copper, fiber optic, and microwaves of the Internet should also be. Information infrastructure is too critical in the Information Age to let regional monopolies hold it hostage.

      BTW, my favorite corollary is the American system of national highways, owned by the people and not by the companies who constructed each piece of them. Can you imagine the nightmarish toll system for profit that would exist now if the construction companies had been allowed to claim ownership instead of being merely subcontractors?

    6. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the nightmarish toll system for profit that would exist now if the construction companies had been allowed to claim ownership instead of being merely subcontractors?

      All the good roads around here are toll roads anyhow, or toll lanes on otherwise unusable freeways. So you're really just arguing about who gets the money. With the full automation of tolling, there's no inconvenience involved any more, just a cost. Toll roads in my experience are just better quality roads than otherwise, so I'm OK with that (I hear it's quite different on the East Coast).

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    7. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by macraig · · Score: 1

      The toll roads that do exist, with rare exceptions like 17 Mile Drive, are still publicly owned. The existence of the tolls means they were (re-)built since the heyday of tax-funded highway building in the country (before my time). That is also why they're "better quality": they're simply newer. For reasons I can't fathom, people so despised the idea of a new tax or bond to pay for roadwork or a bridge that they voted for the institution of a toll instead. Yes, we're certainly arguing about who gets the money, because the toll money is the public trust getting repaid and it's not for profit.

    8. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by lgw · · Score: 1

      You say profit like it's a bad thing. Profit is the driver for all progress.

      The reason roads work better with government ownership is right-of-way. Simple logistics.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    9. Re:I believe the summary quote is right... by macraig · · Score: 0

      Profit is the driver for all progress.

      History proves otherwise. Most of what you consider progress is the result of a very small minority of gifted individuals whose discoveries and inventions were EXPLOITED FOR PROFIT by a very small minority of greedy individuals. The progress would have happened even if profit had been removed from the process. History also contains examples of just that, progress that was cooperative and collaborative instead of competitive. Promoting this distortion of history demonstrates that you are one of the greedy, not the gifted.

  6. OH THANK GOD! by xession · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought we were going to have to watch stale repetitive, mind numbing bullshit. Oh... I guess I misread it. They didn't strike.

    1. Re:OH THANK GOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what the fuck you idiots are watching. This is a fucking golden age for "TV" (however it's defined these days). Shut the fuck up, faggot.

    2. Re:OH THANK GOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what "TV" show do you watch, faggot?

    3. Re:OH THANK GOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have anyone to thank for repetitive, mind numbing bullshit other than your fellow man. The studios just respond to what the market demands. Most of the time that happens to be repetitive, mind numbing bullshit.

      It's cheap to make lots of it and most people really do want predictable entertainment that conforms to their priors.

      That said, the studios are rather good at churning this stuff out and it takes a surprising level of competence to dress up those old tropes and formulas in a manner that appears current and fresh. That is what writers are there for. It's their day job where they hone their skills. Some of those same people will go on to make the few handfuls of media that are worth a damn.

      The last time the writers went on strike we all quickly learned just how much talent it takes to even make shitty TV and movies.

  7. $200 million blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... hit the California economy with a $200 million blow per week

    On first reading I thought that's an awful lot of cocaine those writers go through.

    1. Re:$200 million blow by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 1

      And now the contractors in the cubes around me think I'm insane, after an extremely loud outburst of laughter.

      Worth it.

  8. Not like the deal matters much by Khyber · · Score: 1

    The quality wouldn't improve or worsen much any ways, no matter if they had come to an agreement or not.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    1. Re:Not like the deal matters much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not true. the last time we had a major writers strike what we got was "reality television".

    2. Re:Not like the deal matters much by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Survivor was on the air WELL before the last major Writer's Strike. Try again!

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  9. and nothing of value was.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gained.

    at least we won't have a summer filled with reruns, crappy programming and even more "reality" shows..... owait

  10. Life imitates art by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Even in real life writers in Hollywood have to reboot everything. Take something from 10 years ago, update bits of the story, recast some of the main actors, and change the ending.

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    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    1. Re:Life imitates art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It mainly works because after 10 years a whole new generation of kids never saw the original and the "reboot" is the original to them. Ironically, this is generally right when new parents are getting nostalgic about the top movies from when they were a teen / young adult and want to indoctrinate their spawn - allowing the studio to resell all the old movies on the latest formats.

      This is where most money is made in movies... kids and their parents in a never ending cycle. If you aren't a kid or don't have one living in your house... the studios don't give a shit about you because you aren't easily convinced by marketing. Kids are dumb and are easily convinced by marketing and the peer pressure marketing creates. Parents are generally beholden to the requests and pop culture "insights" of their kids.

  11. I remember when BSG 2K3 was halted for a strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... was that the last one? Who cares, I don't think I've watched any TV other than Ash vs EvilDead since then. AvED is Groovy Baby!

  12. Was Hoping for a Strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was actually hoping for a strike. There's so much bad garbage out there. Forget about plot and character development. Forget about any memorable content. All they seem to want to do is shock viewers.

    Gets old. Real quick.

    1. Re:Was Hoping for a Strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All they seem to want to do is shock viewers.

      Yeah! As if the disaster in the White House isn't enough!

  13. Lets see here... by s.petry · · Score: 0

    Spoken like a true Fountainhead-thumping Objectivist:

    If you aren't good enough to deserve a favorable contract, why should someone better lend you their merit?

    Fine. I have contacted all your underwriters and canceled all your insurance policies. I fail to see why my safer driving and healthy diet should inure to your benefit.

    Rand has turned out to be prophetic with Atlas Shrugged. I wonder why you neglected that one and went to a much earlier book which was more fiction than Philosophy. Fit your ideology better?

    Next, your safe driving and healthy diet don't inure anyone's benefits except your own. Health insurance rates vary by risk factor, as does Driving insurance, Malpractice insurance, and any other insurance you want to purchase. Perhaps you should investigate what Insurance actually is and how it works. Oh, I know.. that probably does not fit your ideology either.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Lets see here... by thaylin · · Score: 1

      They do? Last I checked I pay the same as all my coworkers, and the risk assessment is done as a pool.

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      When you cant win, ad hominem.
    2. Re:Lets see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an accident and the insurance company pays out a large amount, where do you think they get the money? It's not all from your own premiums unless you've been paying a long time (can't assume future premiums, you might change companies). You're benefiting from other people paying their premiums and not having accidents. Otherwise you could just self-insure.

    3. Re:Lets see here... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Rand has turned out to be prophetic with Atlas Shrugged.

      You mean the writer who championed personal responsibility and ended up on government assistance?

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    4. Re:Lets see here... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      If you have an accident, your premiums go up. Your rates reflect the risk that you have on the pool, and always do. You are ignoring what insurance is and how it works. The insurer has to put up money ahead of time based on risk assessment. If you change your risk value you will pay more, and that payment is like a mortgage. Insurance will eventually cut your plan if you become too high of a risk.

      Your next insurance company will give you a much higher premium because they are aware of your risk to the pool.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    5. Re:Lets see here... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Atlas Shrugged was fiction.

      She did write a Philosophy book, but it was called "Philosophy: Who Needs It?"

      Why is it that these types of Randhead morons don't even read her books? She tears into them pretty hard in Who Needs It, for being moronic followers instead of real Objectivists. As she also points out, real Objectivists are likely to disagree with her often because she isn't an expert in very many fields and they should be trying to advance their understanding not just find something to repeat.

    6. Re:Lets see here... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Claiming Atlas Shrugged was fiction is like claiming JRR Tolkien 's books had nothing to do with Christianity. The purpose of the book was to display the end game of progressivism/marxism in the US. The "progressive" movement has been around since the very early 1900s.

      Most of the people commenting never read any of her books, which becomes obvious with irrational claims.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    7. Re:Lets see here... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You clearly haven't even read the book. You read a website that lied to you and told you it was telling you about the book.

      You can also use a dictionary and look up the word "fiction." Writing a story to give social commentary about the real world by using imaginary characters? That's just fiction, man. There is no need to go all, "oh, oh, oh, she wrote it for the purpose of political commentary, that means it isn't fiction!" No, it means you're an idiot.

    8. Re:Lets see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Claiming Atlas Shrugged was fiction is like claiming JRR Tolkien 's books had nothing to do with Christianity.

      They don't. I assure you, you can pass entire courses of Christian Theology and NEVER bring up Tolkien at all.

      Billions of Christians will exist with not one passing thought towards Middle-Earth, Luke Skywalker, or even Captain Kirk.

      The purpose of the book was to display the end game of progressivism/marxism in the US.

      The purpose of the book was to make money, and depicted Ayn Rand's imaginary fantasies, and are as connected to the real world as Middle-Earth, with far less entertainment value since Ayn Rand had no idea how to depict human characters.

      She was really rather poor at it, you know? It's like she let her tendency towards diatribe get to the levels of Goodkind.

      The "progressive" movement has been around since the very early 1900s.

      Actually, in the US, it'd be since the late 1800s. Arguably, even the early 1800s. Had nothing much to do with Marx in that manifestation, but you could assert it existed.

      No surprise that you're trying to associate with Marx though, he's a common bogeyman among your ilk.

      Most of the people commenting never read any of her books, which becomes obvious with irrational claims.

      Yes, I do believe your irrational claims arise from never reading any of her books, you probably just swear on them.

      But why don't you read something more engaging anyway? Try Jack London, or Upton Sinclair. Or Moby Dick.

    9. Re:Lets see here... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      False dichotomy. The point of comparison is from the outside in. Of course Christian Theology does not teach "Tolkien", but scholars do. Marxists and Progressives won't use Rand as a comparison point, scholars who believe in personal liberty and freedom do.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    10. Re:Lets see here... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Lies, beget lies, beget lies. I have read it twice, but I have no confidence you have. Like the first post I responded to, you avoid the topics and go right to bullshit and personal attack.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    11. Re:Lets see here... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Intellectual dishonestly deserves ridicule, and it does reflect negatively on ones personal character.

    12. Re:Lets see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False dichotomy. The point of comparison is from the outside in.

      The only falseness here, is yours. You asserted, and I repeat your own words:

      Claiming Atlas Shrugged was fiction is like claiming JRR Tolkien 's books had nothing to do with Christianity.

      Claiming Atlas Shrugged is fiction is a true statement, as is as stating that JRR Tolkien's books had nothing to do with Christianity is a true statement.

      They're both entirely factual statements, and you simply can't prove otherwise.

      What would not be true, however, is that Christianity had nothing to do with JRR Tolkien. His own words would contradict you.

      Of course Christian Theology does not teach "Tolkien", but scholars do.

      Scholars, believe it or not, teach a lot of things that have nothing to do with Christianity. This is not a meaningful statement in advancing your position.

      Marxists and Progressives won't use Rand as a comparison point, scholars who believe in personal liberty and freedom do.

      To the contrary, Ayn Rand, and her writings, fictional as they are, are used by scholars who describe themselves as Marxist and Progressive, and they also believe in personal liberty and freedom, despite your attempt to create a false impression that they don't. It's probably because you're so egotistical that you think you're the only one with values that matter, anyone that disagrees with you is badwrong doubleplusungood.

  14. If you don't like it write, watch something else by XXongo · · Score: 1
    If you don't like what they write, watch something else, or don't watch at all.

    I'd say that the most important element of a television show or a movie is the writing-- if it's badly written and doesn't make any sense, it hardly matters whether the acting and cinematography are good or bad. But your mileage may vary.

  15. Loss of homes? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    ...ultimately resulted in a three-year deal, averting a threatened walkout that could have cost jobs and homes...

    I mean, I guess it's correct since people without jobs may default on their mortgages, but why are homes mentioned like the writer's strike is going to have a direct impact on California's house-building industry?

  16. In other words, you were dishonest by s.petry · · Score: 1

    They do? Last I checked I pay the same as all my coworkers, and the risk assessment is done as a pool.

    You attempted to claim that people benefited due to your good driving and eating habits. If what you claim is true regarding your insurance: Your insurance does not give benefits to anyone because of you, and does not take away benefits due to someone else. Your "good" behavior is balanced into costs just like someone else' "bad" is balanced into cost. You can't have it both ways.

    Why don't you tell us which car insurance you have that would not raise your rates if you had traffic accidents and tickets? Show me a single insurance company which gives the same rates to a 18 year old that they do to a 40 year old with the same driving records. I don't know a single company that exists which does not change your rate based on your driving habits. Meaning, people with bad behavior pay more due to higher risk. As with above, you can't have it both ways.

    Mom always said honesty is the best policy, try it sometimes.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  17. WTF? by s.petry · · Score: 0

    When people want to cut Social Security and Medicate Leftists yell "people are entitled", "you hate the elderly", and "people pay into the system for retirement", but when it's a person who disagrees with your ideology its "Government Assistance". So which is it? Welfare that we can look at cutting or "retirement for all Americans"? You leftists need to get your shit together.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:WTF? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      When people want to cut Social Security and Medicate Leftists yell "people are entitled", "you hate the elderly", and "people pay into the system for retirement", but when it's a person who disagrees with your ideology its "Government Assistance". So which is it?

      If you're going to make your entire reason for existence arguing that the government shouldn't help anyone and then be the first one in line for government help, it's just not a good look.

      There is virtually nothing about Atlas Shrugged that has been, "prophetic". At least not in the way Rand intended.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    2. Re:WTF? by s.petry · · Score: 0

      You completely avoided my question about Social Security. Funny how leftism works isn't it? Here is a read for you. Consider it possible that you are the hypocrite, not Rand.

      Not prophetic? The consumption of media by talking heads to push propaganda in the US: Check. Pushing dialogue because "feelings" in spite of facts: Check. Massively increased taxes and for wealth redistribution: Check. Expansion of regulations to ensure Government control over the economy and businesses: Check. The "progressivism" in Europe accelerating much faster than the US: Check.

      We are not quite to the end of the road, but her book describes much of what's been happening over the last 20 years pretty well. But I'm guessing that you are intentionally attempting to conflate "prophetic" with "prophesy" because again.. ideology.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    3. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that that wealth redistribution has been from people who aren't crazy rich to the people who are crazy rich, right?

      "Why are colleges so expensive?" Because states stopped funding them to give tax cuts to the wealthy, forcing those costs onto students and middle class parents.

      "Why do so many people depend on Social Security?" Because corporations changed retirement from a defined benefit to a defined contribution system, redirected the cost difference to shareholders.

    4. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are not quite to the end of the road, but her book describes much of what's been happening over the last 20 years pretty well.

      Nope, not unless your imaginary ramblings are somehow reflective of what's been happening in the real world.

      Otherwise, you might as well claim Red Storm Rising, The Godfather, and The Sun Also Rises were prophetic.

      You remind me of the kind of guy that goes to Idaho and prays for Armageddon.

      Because...ideology. Zealotry. Emotion.

  18. Re:If you don't like it write, watch something els by LS1+Brains · · Score: 1

    .. and that is exactly what is happening, and why collectively the 'old market' providers are scrambling. Why do you think buying your cable service ala carte is lobbied against so heavily? Gotta protect those old ideas and old revenue streams somehow. Some smart people have taken notice and are pouring money into effectively replacing Hollywood by creating their own movies and TV series that you can watch individually, and it's working. Game of Thrones, House of Cards, The Grand Tour, etc.

  19. Re:If you don't like it write, watch something els by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    That's hardly new - though it has accelerated in recent years. One of the most famous examples is Star Trek. The original series was a network show, and Roddenberry was never entirely happy with the result because he had to constantly deviate from his real vision to please network executives who didn't want to show anything that may upset conservatives. That first interracial kiss may have been groundbreaking but it was about as far as he could go.

    When he decided to do Star Trek again - he didn't go back to the network, he funded it himself, in a studio rented from a movie company and made it independently - then syndicated a result defined by his own vision - and produced TNG. Personally I consider TNG a far superior series - exactly because he didn't have to compromise. A lot of the logical inconsistencies of TOS went away when nobody told him he couldn't show his preferred solutions. The extreme misogyny that is oh so prevalent in TOS is completely missing from TNG, where women characters were multi-dimensional and excelled even in positions of authority. As Doctor Katherine Polaski pointed out in her final appearance: she was the one person on board the enterprise who could order Picard to do something he didn't want to do. And one of the sequels to that even had a women captain. Meantime ToS had exactly one notable female character and her role mostly consisted of repeating whatever the computer said and one-time kissing the captain.

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