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Man To Pay $300,000 In Damages For Hacking Employer (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A former private security officer in California must pay nearly $319,000 in damages for attacking his employer's computer systems. Yovan Garcia accessed payroll records at Security Specialists, which provides private security patrols, to inflate the number of hours he had worked. He later hacked the firm's servers to steal data and defaced its website. District Judge Michael Fitzgerald said Garcia had used the stolen data to help set up a rival business. Security Specialists first noticed issues with Mr Garcia's pay records in July 2014, about two years after he joined. In one example, they showed he had worked 12 hours per day over a two-week period and was owed 40 hours of overtime pay, when in fact he only worked eight hours per day.

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  1. When I was a kid... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    When I was a kid those of us that worked at 'Worlds of Fun' (an amusement park in Kansas City) discovered that their computerized payroll was STUPID.

    We never clocked out and got paid for 24 hours/day, 7 days/week. Some on the night grounds crew slept under the bridges, others and the day crew bought themselves season passes to exit and enter as customers (you couldn't get out the employee route without clocking out). Good times.

    Eventually they figured it out (it wasn't still going on 3 years later, when my younger brother worked there), but there were no consequences. Even though it had to be easy to find with a computerized report.

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    1. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had a CS Prof that told a story about the early mainframe days at my Uni. When he was a student, they used to give free computer time as rewards for bug reports. He and friends found that the payroll system had no security. Any mainframe user could alter records. So they reported the problem. A week later nothing changed, so they reported it again. Later, still no change.

      So they wrote themselves each a check for -1,000,000 USD.

      They were all called in the next day to explain how the payroll made nearly three million dollars.

    2. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you could ask for more pay. You could be a bad example poster boys against child labor. You were treated like lab rats and made to sleep under bridges or in tents. Worst of all, you were beta testers for an unregistered payroll program. FOR KIDS! Won't somebody think of the children?

    3. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know most of those stories are complete bullshit, right?

    4. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We haven't forgot. WE NEVER FORGET.

      -Worlds of Fun

    5. Re:When I was a kid... by gmack · · Score: 1

      My high school's attendance system was worse.. It was designed for a single PC but someone (probably the vendor) had the idea to make it multi user by putting the data files on a network share. The result was that the last person to close the attendance software overwrote everything for the entire school with whatever was current when they opened the software.

      Some teachers were good and opened, did attendance then closed. Some opened it in the morning and closed during the evening. And some were Opening it at the beginning of the week and closing on Friday (or worse).

      The end result was that the worst teachers were the only ones with their student's absences recorded because they overwrote the attendance results of the best teachers and most of the school got perfect attendance scores that year. I recall having a good laugh considering how often had I had gotten sick and missed class, but the school administration never appeared to figure out that something was wrong and congratulated the school on the best attendance scores ever

    6. Re:When I was a kid... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      At the time, owned by the Hunt brothers. Same scumbags who lost most of their inherited money trying to corner the silver market, now only millionaires. Fuck em. Yes, I'm proud of every penny I took off them.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:When I was a kid... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      That reminds me of the time I read a comment on an online forum about someone who had a CS Prof that told him a story about the early mainframe days at his university. When he was a student, they gave free computer time as a reward for filing bug reports.

      Him and his friends found that the payroll system had no security whatsoever and that any user could alter the records. So they reported the problem but a week later nothing changed, so they reported it again. Later, still no change.

      So they wrote themselves each a check for minus one million dollars. They were all called in the next day to explain how the payroll system made nearly three million dollars.

      And then when he posted that story online, some jerk told him that most of those stories are complete bullshit.

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    8. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that most of those stories are completely true, right?

    9. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That reminds me of the time I read a comment on a comment on an online forum about someone who had a CS Prof that told him a story about the early mainframe days at his university. When he was a student, they gave free computer time as a reward for filing bug reports.

      Him and his friends found that the payroll system had no security whatsoever and that any user could alter the records. So they reported the problem but a week later nothing changed, so they reported it again. Later, still no change.

      So they wrote themselves each a check for minus one million dollars. They were all called in the next day to explain how the payroll system made nearly three million dollars.

      And then when he posted that story online, some jerk told him that most of those stories are complete bullshit.

      And then, someone commented on the commented comment and it was good.

    10. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the days when we were giving ourselves free dialup access running SLiRP on shell accounts that we scammed from gullible university administrators? Who knows, maybe it is true. Maybe we are or aren't exaggerating about blue boxing to get the line in, but security was even worse then than it is now.

    11. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that most of those stories are completely false, right?

  2. Now, if he were a lawyer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lawyers do that all the time.

    A lawyer dies and ends up at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter is REALLY impressed.
    "Why sir, based up on your billable hours, you died when you were 212 years old. Step right in!"

    1. Re:Now, if he were a lawyer.... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As a consultant I've honestly billed 30+ hours in a day, without double counting. 15 of those hours were travel time. Didn't cross the dateline at exactly midnight, but close enough.

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  3. The password was joshua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I was only playing a game, your honor

    1. Re:The password was joshua by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

      Would you like to play a nice game of chess?

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    2. Re:The password was joshua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather play GTW.

  4. What could possibly go wrong? by hackel · · Score: 1

    On the surface, this seems like such a stupid thing to do. It makes you wonder, though, the few cases like this we actually hear about must be in the minority, meaning people are getting away with stuff like this all the time. What leads a person to grow up to be so morally compromised as to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable?

    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you're hourly, always keep a copy of your hours. Most bosses _will_ try to fuck you on hours, they won't do it on every check. You must continually spot check.

      It's really amazing, how their 'errors' always go one way.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by geek · · Score: 1

      What leads a person to grow up to be so morally compromised as to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable?

      Have you seen the people that run big business and government around the world today? This is child play compared to the shit that not only happens but is greatly rewarded. Ethics are gone in the world today.

    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Pascoea · · Score: 2

      Most bosses _will_ try to fuck you on hours

      Most? You must have had a hard work upbringing. Granted yes, you are right, SOME bosses will screw you. Saying MOST will is a little unfair. The only examples I can think of where people claimed "their bosses were fucking them" was the people that tried to game the quarter-hour rounding rules on time clocks. They'd clock in 8 minutes past the hour, or clock out 8 minutes before quitting time and lose the full 15 minutes, then bitch because "they got fucked out of 15 minutes pay".

    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      When Steven Hyde says stuff like that in That '70s Show, it's funny.

      When it's real life, it's not funny anymore.

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    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the people that run big business and government around the world today?

      Today? You seem to be implying that things were better during some past golden age, when governments were all efficient and businessmen were altruistic. There is no evidence that corruption is worse today, and some evidence that things are getting better. Also, the public's perception of corruption tends to get worse during the times when corruption is falling the fastest, since tightening ethics often leads to more exposure and prosecutions that put corruption in the news.

    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Everybody makes mistakes, but it's funny, how they always make mistakes in their favor. Even your example is an obvious 'always round down' scam.

      I've seen them simply convert minutes into decimal hours. 15 minutes equals 0.15 hours. Or just assume you took your hour lunch, but somehow always catch any long lunches you took.

      0.25 hours/day counts. You can mock someone for complaining about losing quarter hour, but can you also mock them for losing a quarter hour/day?

      You can quibble about the %, but do you advise young people to spot check their hours or not?

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    7. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by geek · · Score: 1

      What a load of bullshit. The almost complete disappearance of the middle class disproves every idiotic point you attempted to make.

    8. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by taustin · · Score: 1

      I have found that people who complain that all of their bosses are crooks, and all of their jobs suck, the most likely reason is that good bosses don't hire crappy employees.

    9. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh. It's weird, because I've always kept track of my hours separately from the time clock, and I've never had a problem. I guess I've been exceptionally lucky, if most bosses are cheating.

    10. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Intel does their hourly employees at 6 min intervals, but always rounds down... thus:
      you come in at 8:03 am (8.05 am)
      to make up for it you stay till 12:03 before leaving to lunch (12.05pm)
      you would *expect* that interval to be an exact 4 hours, but somehow it always came out to 3.9 hours.
      We had a asshat manager who, if he didn't like you, would use this:
      If you came in late he would make sure you recorded it on your timecard as to the exact time you came in.
      He would then wait for you to leave to lunch and note the time.

      Naturally you would "fudge" the time to 12:06 (from 12:03) so that the rounding would report the *correct* 4 hour interval.

      He would then write you up for lying on your timecard...

      Sooooo glad I don't work for that jackwagon anymore.

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    11. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, both ends of that are self-feeding cycles.

      The boss ends up being a micromanaging jerk because their employees get them in trouble with their nonsense. The employees hate their job and pull various shenanigans because they hate being treated like little kids and the cycle continues.

    12. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by taustin · · Score: 1

      Like attracts like.

    13. Re: What could possibly go wrong? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Corruption is falling the fastest because people thing things are more corrupt than ever?

      Want the fuck?

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    14. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's happening all the time.

      As far as the morally compromised bit, who can say. I mean, every company has a CEO, and that person is FAR more morally bankrupt than this guy could ever imagine being.

      The company does not give a fuck about you. If you're not working for a small business where you personally know the owner, the morally compromised position is to give a shit about the company. This kind of behavior is not only acceptable in a large corporation, it's the RIGHT thing to do, just do a better job of not getting caught.

    15. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Even your example is an obvious 'always round down' scam.

      Google "quarter hour rounding rules FLA". Employers are permitted to round to 15 minute increments. As long as the rounding is consistent, 7 minutes gets rounded down, 8 minutes gets rounded up. Not sure how this is an "always round down scam" If I clock in at 8:08 it gets rounded to 8:15, 8:07 gets rounded to 8:00, same thing leading up to the hour. Maybe a better example would have been the worker clocking in at 7 minutes before the hour.

      but do you advise young people to spot check their hours or not?

      To answer your question directly, yes, I would advise people to check their time. Not because all employers are assholes, but because all employers generally employ humans and humans make mistakes.

      You can mock someone for complaining about losing quarter hour, but can you also mock them for losing a quarter hour/day?

      Absolutely. The deal isn't that hard to follow, show up to work on time, leave work on time. The system, when adhered to, is fair, and I have no sympathy for people that try to game it and lose. If it's actually the employer knowingly cheating and fucking their employees, then yeah, I have sympathy and I hope the labor department steps in to fix it.

      Or just assume you took your hour lunch.

      You mean the employer assumed you took your federally mandated lunch break? The one that every employee handbook I have ever seen requires you to take?

      , but somehow always catch any long lunches you took

      Why is that your employers fault? Again, the deal isn't that hard to follow.

      And all of that that is precisely why I'm 100% in favor of electronic time keeping. It fairly enforces the system, gets rid of all the fuckery. The system knows when you clocked in, when you clocked out, who changed what. It keeps the both the employees and employers honest.

    16. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Nowhere are you required by government to take your full lunch break. Employers are required to give you a lunch break, it can be a half hour, even there if you eat in 10 minutes there is no government rule requiring you to take the half hour. Of course employers with assembly lines etc will have everybody on/off together.

      Personally, I'm so far past that stage of my employment life, it doesn't matter. But some kids are actually fool enough to trust their employers to be somewhat honest. The truth is, everybody is constantly looking for angles. Many managers are taught to chisel hours. It's been going on for as long as I've been aware. Yet they 'expect' honesty from staff...

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    17. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If you're hourly, always keep a copy of your hours. Most bosses _will_ try to fuck you on hours, they won't do it on every check. You must continually spot check.

      It's really amazing, how their 'errors' always go one way.

      Be grateful when errors only go one way.

      If you get overpaid, you're legally required to pay that back even when the fuck up is 100% their fault.

      That being said, never a bad idea to keep your own records of your hours. Even if you dont get paid by the hour.

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  5. Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Garcia had obtained login credentials - without ever having been given them

    You mean he guessed the password. That's not "hacking," and if somebody was able to cause that much damage to your systems by not only guessing at a single set of credentials, but continuing to use them after his termination on grounds of illegitimately accessing computer resources, then you are by no means a "security" firm.

    1. Re:Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, THAT makes sense. I guess all those 'security researchers' we read about aren't really security experts either, because they don't provide armed guards for banks.

  6. Doooo bomp bomp by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1
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  7. Not a good hacker... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    A GOOD hacker would have covered his tracks so they didn't get caught..

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    1. Re:Not a good hacker... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      If he had half a brain, he would have just increased his hourly rate.

      Management sometimes looks at overtime totals.

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    2. Re:Not a good hacker... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A better way would be to send all the rounding errors of the payment system into a separate account. Nobody's going to miss fractions of a cent.

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    3. Re:Not a good hacker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alright so when the sub routine compounds the interest is uses all these extra decimal places that just get rounded off. So we simplified the whole thing, we rounded them all down, drop the remainder into an account we opened.

      So you're stealing?

      Ah no, you don't understand. It's very complicated. It's uh it's aggregate, so I'm talking about fractions of a penny here. And over time they add up to a lot.

    4. Re:Not a good hacker... by Kiralan · · Score: 1

      Unless you drive a brand-new Ferrari to work, and the boss notices!

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    5. Re:Not a good hacker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the plot of Superman 3 from 1983.

    6. Re:Not a good hacker... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Duh.

      Also: it was actually done by a coder in the early 70s. It was legal at the time. That guy accomplished my life's ambition, He invented a new crime.

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    7. Re:Not a good hacker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just be careful of those decimal places. you dont want to end up like the guys at innitech

  8. This is hacking now? by Nkwe · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    According to the Central District Court of California, Mr Garcia had obtained login credentials - without ever having been given them - and accessed the records without authorisation

    So just using an account you are not authorized for is now hacking? It doesn't require circumvention or bypass of technical systems or finding interesting edge cases in the rules of the system any more? Sad.

    1. Re:This is hacking now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way I understand the legal framework in the US, merely accessing a computer system in a way that is contrary to the intent of the system's owner is now commonly called "hacking" and prosecuted as such. Nothing to do with bypassing any sort of technical controls anymore.

    2. Re:This is hacking now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My computer system's owner (me) did not intend for my computer to ever load the above comment by "Anonymous Coward." For bypassing the intent of the system's owner, you will now face criminal hacking charges.

    3. Re:This is hacking now? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      So just using an account you are not authorized for is now hacking?

      He didn't just "access" the account. He stole money and vandalized files.

      It doesn't require circumvention or bypass of technical systems

      I can steal the mail out of your mailbox without bypassing any technical systems. That doesn't make it legal.

    4. Re:This is hacking now? by taustin · · Score: 1

      "Hacking" isn't a legal term, it's a news reporting term. And like all news reporting, it's basically meaningless. The only meaningful information is "he did something, got caught, and is being punished." Everything else is buzzwords to sell advertising.

    5. Re:This is hacking now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Nkwe's point is don't call stealing mail out of a mailbox computer hacking.......

    6. Re:This is hacking now? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      I should have been more clear. I wasn't saying that what the guy did was or should be legal. I was lamenting over the loss (or change) of the meaning of the term "hacking" in general. Hacking used to mean finding an edge case or a loophole in a technical system and hacking used to require a high level of skill and understanding of a system, so much so that those performing hacking (hackers) were looked up upon and revered -- sometimes to the point of being given a pass for breaking or bending rules and laws. Now hacking simply means doing something with a computer that someone else doesn't like and doesn't necessarily require any skills.

  9. Unexpected twist in the story. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    After he agreed to pay $319,000, the man claimed he accidentally made some mistake and paid back twice. He demands the former employer check his computer systems and if they find $638,000 credit from First Magical Bank of Lalaland, dated 2017 Feb 30, confirmation number 123412341234 they must return the "excess" payment.

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  10. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too frosty for you snowflakes?

  11. Just about every small computer shop by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    my brother worked for did it to him at least once. He's clever (not enough to avoid fucking his life up so hard he worked at a series of small computer shops, but I digress), so he caught it every time, but usually when he got hired on the other two or three employees had the same done to them for years and the boss didn't stop until they were called out. The most common scam is working them through lunch for free. Usually with a cheap pizza to shut them up. But rounding "errors" were popular too.

    Most of the time big businesses don't do this because of class action lawsuits. I worked for a call center that was doing it for years and got nailed by one (I think they've all been nailed for it at least once at this point). What sucks is with the new laws allowing arbitration agreements to be binding plus a few nasty supreme court rulings class action lawsuits are pretty much a thing of the past. Sure, it sucks that the lawyers were the only ones that got a real payout, but at least after the suit companies stopped the bullshit. Now it's full steam ahead. Things are gonna get ugly in the next 20 years.

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    1. Re:Just about every small computer shop by taustin · · Score: 0

      my brother worked for did it to him at least once. He's clever (not enough to avoid fucking his life up so hard he worked at a series of small computer shops, but I digress), so he caught it every time,

      So, being a crappy, worthless employee, he could only get crappy jobs at crappy places working for crappy bosses.

      Go figure.

    2. Re:Just about every small computer shop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all you find is shit work, what incentive is there to do better when management's always looking for someone to fuck over?

      There's only so far you can go to blame the worker. If the worker only has access to shit jobs, they won't ever become better because there's no environment to do better in.

      Unless you're one of those corporate types who think an employee should basically hand over their life to their employer so they *might* get thrown a $10 bonus or something. A "shit" worker in that scenario is simply smart and knows he's better than that.

  12. That's a bargain. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Considering he was able to use the data he took to launch a business of his own, $319K is a bargain. I mean, that's a cost of doing business expense if that's all he has to pay.

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    1. Re:That's a bargain. by taustin · · Score: 1

      You're assuming his business is successful. Given he's an idiot, I think that's a bit optimistic.

  13. Litigating incompetence by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It's quite obvious that their processes were so poor that it could not even protect them from fraud. What this guys did was wrong, but frankly, as so called 'Security Specialists' they deserve it.

    It's interesting to observe that there are still no damages against companies who maintain the same poor security when it leaks their customers identity data.

    I wonder how quickly these security issues would be fixed if these companies could not litigate for damages causes by their own nonfeasance.

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  14. I've hacked my employer. by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I put icons with silly names on his desktop.

    Okay, not really the same thing.