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Researcher Hacks Nine Sleep-Tracking Devices To Test Their Accuracy (brown.edu)

A determined researcher at Brown University extracted "the previously irretrievable sleep tracking data from the Hello Sense, from the Microsoft Band, and nine other popular devices," according to an anonymous reader, "by decompiling the apps and using man-in-the-middle attacks." Then they compared each device's data to that from a research-standard actigraph. Their results? The Fitbit Alta seems to be the most accurate among the other nine in terms of sleep versus awake data... Our findings tell that these consumer-level sleep reports should be taken with a grain of salt, but regardless we're happy to see more and more people investing in improving their sleep.

44 comments

  1. I swear officer! by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    I was asleep!

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  2. I sleep great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At work. In the nap room.

  3. Does the obvious exist? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Is there a kinect or similar motion sensing based applicaton for this? That's kind of the obvious way to do it instead of accelerometers on the wrist when what you really want to track is the torso - especially if people already have a kinect.

    1. Re:Does the obvious exist? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Seems like that would be complicated by bed sheets.

    2. Re:Does the obvious exist? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Seems like that would be complicated by bed sheets

      It's only very large movements that matter so I cannot see how that would in any way be the case.
      I see the wristbands as being less useful due to them tracking the arms and so not being able to distinguish between an arm movement and a rollover, so a source of false positives.

    3. Re:Does the obvious exist? by rgbatduke · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'll do better by buying and wearing a recording pulse oximeter to bed. If you have obstructive sleep apnea (which is pretty common, especially in older people) you typically stop breathing as your throat closes when you relax in real sleep. This drops your O2 saturation, which triggers a reflex that wakes you up. So your O2 sat oscillates up and down all night long, and you live tired all of the time because the only real sleep you get happens when your head and throat are in a "just right" position. Sleep apnea is dangerous both acutely and chronically -- inadequate sleep is associated with weight gain, heart disease, and more. The "pulse" part is also useful, as one can often identify periods of REM vs deep sleep as one's pulse varies somewhat, smoothing out during deep sleep cycles, bouncing around a bit with the arousal of REM.

      There are other causes of bad sleep, of course -- restless legs syndrome, anxiety, etc. and these may be characterized more by movements and tossing and turning and not so much by oxygen, but a pulse oximeter might be almost as useful as a fitbit or whatever for detecting that via the pulse variations.

      rgb

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      Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
    4. Re:Does the obvious exist? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Good point - go directly for the metric that matters.

  4. Guiltee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Computer hacking" is a federal felony. Nowhere in the law does it say what that is so anything self-described as "hacking" counts. It also means that if a reporter says you've been "hacking" that's a felony accusation, no matter what you did. Something to think about.

    You can thank the computer security industry for this. With their ethical hats.

    1. Re:Guiltee! by Falos · · Score: 1

      It probably wouldn't take long to find somewhere in the CFAA to shove this, if an arbiter so wished. It's omnicompatible by design.

  5. Comparing consumer with consumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Detecting REM sleep with a worn device or app is virtually impossible without polysomnography, a test that records your brain waves, blood oxygen levels, heart rate, breathing, as well as eye and leg movements during the study.

    If we consider only the results from the AMI MotionLogger as the “gold standard” for our accuracy study,

    Why is the AMI MotionLogger considered the "Gold Standard"? Just because it's outrageously priced?

    the results from my experiment should still be taken with a grain of salt.

    It's a nice undergrad experiment to learn about research methods to be used for the day when research for peer review will be done.

    1. Re:Comparing consumer with consumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have expected this sort of "study" by a highschooler.

      No variables were isolated, not real numbers were logged, its just someone who wore 5 wrist bands and used three apps on a phone to measure how well they slept?

      How do we know that position on the arm didn't change anything?

      Maybe the apps interfered with each other.

      Maybe the phones sensors werent as good as others

      Maybe just maybe this is a HORRIBLE study to be writing a news article on. It's high school level work.

    2. Re:Comparing consumer with consumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not every piece of research has to be a peer reviewed, triple blind, statistician confirmed, extremely expensive study. As long as the methodologies are noted and it isn't portrayed as having an accuracy that it is undeserving of it can still be of use, especially as a first step towards further research.

  6. WTF is the point of these things? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    If you have trouble sleeping, change your habits

    DON'T STAY UP LATE. i'm usually in bed a little after 10 and no later than 10:30pm
    go get some exercise. being exhausted from running will do wonders to help you sleep
    Don't watch TV before bed. No TV in bedroom
    Stay away from electronics before bed including gaming
    don't drink alcohol before bed
    don't eat too close to sleep
    keep your bedroom cool around 50 degrees or less

    1. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree totallly.
      I don't use a tracker and I think they're just another gimmick to make people part with their hard earned disposable income.

      And you're right about sleep hygiene - if you will. However, many have trouble staying asleep. Dropping off is easy, but waking up multiple times a night with the mind racing - sleep hygiene doesn't work in that situation. It's usually caused by anxiety and depression. And anxiety in our World - whether from jobs (mostly) or other environmental factors is just increasing.

      Maybe these overpriced gadgets clue someone in who doesn't remember waking up that they are not sleeping through the night and that's why they wake up so tired even though they thought they had a good night sleep.

    2. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      keep your bedroom cool around 50 degrees or less

      Even I would find under 50 F to be chilly at night.
      Did you mean 50 C? Yes, I agree the bedroom should be less than 50C

    3. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      get some extra blankets

    4. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If you have trouble sleeping, change your habits

      Define "trouble"

      THAT is the point of these devices.

    5. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get some extra blankets

      Unless it's 50C, then you probably don't need them

    6. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      I try to avoid devices with displays while sleeping. But the boss insists on showing PowerPoint presentations during staff meetings.

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    7. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "keep your bedroom cool around 50 degrees or less"

      Holy fuck, that would probably cost $200-$300 a month except for maybe 3 months a year.

    8. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you have trouble sleeping, change your habits

      DON'T STAY UP LATE. i'm usually in bed a little after 10 and no later than 10:30pm

      That's gonna totally suck for those working graveyard shifts and 2nd jobs.

      go get some exercise. being exhausted from running will do wonders to help you sleep

      some exercise many people do. it doesn't lead to exhaustion. I can do 1 hour of running 2 hours before bed and not be "exhausted". I can also do 15 minutes of sprinting and feel like vomiting soon afterwards.

      Don't watch TV before bed. No TV in bedroom
      Stay away from electronics before bed including gaming

      I really do how people have managed to convince themselves that watching TV or "facebooking" before bed doesn't negatively impact them. I've run into so many people that swear to me that it helps them sleep.

      don't drink alcohol before bed

      I'm pretty sure that "depressants" like alcohol actually do help you sleep better at nights.

      don't eat too close to sleep

      If you eat things like rice or turkey just before bed it will most certainly help you sleep better at nights. Might gain a few hundred pounds but it will help you sleep.

      keep your bedroom cool around 50 degrees or less

      At 50 degrees, you will not be very likely to wake up that is certainly true. I'm thinking that most people however would prefer to actually wake up at the end of a good nights rest though.

    9. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by kcwebmonkey · · Score: 1

      I don't have points or i'd mod this up :-P

    10. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by waspleg · · Score: 1

      You know, there are already people who have been diagnosed with a disorder and would like to monitor their own health more closely to make sure the treatments they're receiving are actually working for example, monitoring O2 levels over night when you have apnea to make sure the machine you have is actually doing something.

    11. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money. MANY (all?) employer-sponsored "health awareness/improvement programs" [I am sure there is an HR term of art for these things] require you earn a certain number of points over the course of a year to get a reduction in the employee paid premiums for medical insurance. My employer switched from "Vitality" (after 3-4 years, we had figured out how to maximize points) to "Virgin Pulse" (part of the Branson Virgin-whatever empire, and yes, we all think the branding sounds like something found on a adult entertainment site). VP's point-earning scheme is heavily biased towards 24-7 fitness devices and automated reporting. Ex: 5 "points" to self-report activity and self-report (manual) sleep. 50 points if you use an automated device and it records 7+ hours of "sleep" (inactive while awake included), you get 50 points. Similar for step tracking (approx. 100 points per 1,000 steps).

      I put up with the damn thing (so does my wife) because the reduction is premium is significant. I think of mine as "Santa Claus" - it knows when I've been sleeping, it knows when I'm awake...

      And while I don't need a box of accelerometers and HRM on my wrist to tell me my sleep habits suck big time, the graphs I get of what my "sleep" and other activities look like are kinda cool eye candy.

    12. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, dad.

    13. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep your bedroom cool around 50 degrees or less

      Even I would find under 50 F to be chilly at night.

      You want people to sleep with the windows open in winter? Also I don't think my A/C could even cool the house down to 50 deg F in the summer.

    14. Re: WTF is the point of these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every night from 9pm to 12am I smoke weed and play league of legends. I sleep great. On nights I'm really stressed, I'll pop a couple melatonin an hour before sleep.

    15. Re:WTF is the point of these things? by antdude · · Score: 1

      50F degrees? That's too COLD!!!!!

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  7. I like the fine print... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At the bottom he disclaims a few points that mean this was a pointless exercise with too many variables and not enough controls.

  8. Is he/she in jail? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    It probably violates tons and tons of laws. Reverse engineering, decompiling, any attempt to even understand how the process works is illegal or is believed to be illegal by law enforcement. And adding terms like man in the middle etc does not help.

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    1. Re:Is he/she in jail? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Reverse engineering,

      Is explicitly protected in the DMCA when done for purposes of interoperability, and is generally considered legal for any purposes other than circumvention of a protection device when there is no NDA or other effectively similar contract in play.

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  9. Is it too much to ask? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Article Title: Researcher hacks nine sleep-tracking devices to test their accuracy"

    First sentence of summary, right under the title: A determined researcher at Brown University extracted "the previously irretrievable sleep tracking data from the Hello Sense, from the Microsoft Band, and nine other popular devices.

    Note that the first says "9 devices", the second says "1+1+9 devices".

    I know it's asking a lot for TFS to match TFA, but is it at least possible to match Title and TFS?

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    "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
  10. Paid for by Fitbit? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    the Fitbit Alta seems to be the most accurate among the other 9 in terms of sleep versus awake data.

    The Fitbit Alta seemed to detect asleep vs awake almost identically to the other devices. Most of the other devices could do far more and a few differed in their results.

    It's like using a fitness tracker and saying well the Fitbit was the best at identifying I'm not yet dead. Whoop de do.

    Anyway. $139 for the Fitbit Alta, or $3.99 for the Sleep app on the phone. Both seem to give the same Asleep vs awake results but at least the latter can tell you how asleep you are.

  11. Flawed testing scenario? by Kemperflow · · Score: 1

    Scary that this is coming from a researcher.. They mention that polysomnography is the defacto standard for sleep measurement and then state that the best way to run this experiment is to use all 10 devices at the same time? How about you use each device for 1-2 nights at the same time as the polysomnography and then you can compare the accuracy of each device against an industry standard? As if you are going to strap 10 devices on and around you and have any kind of normal sleep activity..

    1. Re:Flawed testing scenario? by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was quite disappointed. I'm familiar with the other test by Dr. Christopher Winter, which he references. In that test, Dr. Winter wore the devices while hooked up to a polysomnograph, which can accurately measure sleep cycles -- something these devices purport to do. The actigraph in this test only measures sleep/wake state, which is less detailed than the devices that were tested.

  12. Even the 'professional' tests can be crap by ipb · · Score: 1

    I've had two sleep studies.
    One when I was first diagnosed was on their premises, properly wired up to all kinds of gear and when it was over I received a multi-page report with charts and graphs that clearly showed the data.

    The second was done by 'Snap diagnostics' at home. The gear came loose, fell off repeatedly and I spent most of the night without it attached. They then took four months to tell my doctor to increase my pressure.
    No data, no report, no evidence that the test even worked.

    I still don't think they had any.

  13. No Apple Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple Watch not tested - fail.

  14. Mi band 2 by iampiti · · Score: 1

    I can only comment on the Xiaomi Mi Band 2 since it's the only device that tracks sleep that I've had. The times for going to sleep and waking up are pretty accurate. Of course I can't say anything about the validity of the "deep sleep" time.
    Since most of these devices seem to use similar hardware I don't think there can be huge differences on them

  15. Darkness at Noon by epine · · Score: 1

    ... any attempt to even understand how the process works is illegal or is believed to be illegal by law enforcement ...

    Way to go, Chicken Little. I always figured you for a feathery, thoughtcrime propaganda stooge.

    Data extraction methods

    Most of these techniques are more akin to screen scraping than decompiling or reverse engineering.