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Toyota Demos A Flying Car. It Crashes. (ap.org)

thomst shares the AP's report on Toyota's latest venture. From the article: A startup backed by the Japanese automaker has developed a test model that engineers hope will eventually develop into a tiny car with a driver who'll be able to light the Olympic torch in the 2020 Tokyo games. For now, however, the project is a concoction of aluminum framing and eight propellers that barely gets off the ground and crashes after several seconds... At a test flight Saturday in the city where the automaker is based, the gadgetry, about the size of a car and loaded with batteries and sensors, blew up a lot of sand and made a lot of noise. It managed to get up as high as eye level for several seconds before tilting and falling to the ground... After several attempts, the endeavor had to be canceled after one of the covers got detached from the frame and broke, damaging the propellers.
Project leader Tsubasa Nakamura envisions seamlessly transitioning from driving to flight like the DeLorean in Back To The Future, and his team still plans to perform their first manned flights by 2019.

107 comments

  1. Video or it didn't happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    link?

    1. Re:Video or it didn't happen by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      link?

      link!

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  2. It's the 1890s all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DAISY, Daisy, give me your answer, do.

    1. Re: It's the 1890s all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "true" not "do"... you weren't around back then at all!

    2. Re: It's the 1890s all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew both Daisy and the original goat. Don't ask how close.

    3. Re: It's the 1890s all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm half crazy, all for the love of doo.

  3. Bummer by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I guess we need self-flying cars more than we need self-driving ones then.

    1. Re:Bummer by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They sound like they don't know what they are doing. I have actually worked on drones prototypes, and here are the first two things I learned:

      1. You keep them tethered until you get the bugs worked out.
      2. You don't test them where they can "blow up a lot of sand"

    2. Re:Bummer by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Looking at pictures of the thing, it looks more like a engineering test jig than a prototype of anything. Probably some PR guy invited some press guys in to watch while the engineers were running the motors up a few times and making some measurements on some subsystems. I doubt they ever intended for it to get more than a meter or so off the ground.

      They seem to have a fair amount of faith in their work, or they wouldn't be standing anywhere near it when the rotors are spinning. In my experience Japanese engineers are (mostly) not crazy.

      I have no idea where they are headed with this project, but I doubt the finished product -- if there ever is one -- will look anything like the thing they were testing.

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    3. Re: Bummer by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Now they've learned that, too.

  4. Like AI by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Like AI and autonomous cars, flying cars are right around the corner. And since I had a C64 in my youth, and now my computer today is 10000x faster, computers in the future will be even more powerful than today. After all: progress is inevitable.

    1. Re:Like AI by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      flying cars are right around the corner

      Yeah, but is it the vertical corner, like with normal cars, or the horizontal (roof) corner?

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    2. Re: Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Progress is enivetable.

      The dark ages calls your bluff.

    3. Re: Like AI by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Progress has also produced the spell checker. I see you're not using one.

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    4. Re:Like AI by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      If you want to know why self-driving cars are a LONG way off, just got to the self-checkout counter at your nearest major retailer. Notice the human sitting near the self-checkouts? Watch how many times said human has to come running to override a confused checkout computer that freaks out if someone does something as simple as prematurely move an item out of the bagging area. And keep in mind that this is the dirt-simple task of simply checking out a customer who is doing almost all the work themselves already.

      If modern computers can't even manage to do something that simple, consistently without constant human intervention, do you really think they're anywhere near ready to handle the 1000x more complicated task of driving a car through poorly-marked city and rural streets without a human there to keep them from potentially causing major carnage?
       

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    5. Re:Like AI by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      If modern computers can't even manage to do something that simple, consistently without constant human intervention, do you really think they're anywhere near ready to handle the 1000x more complicated task of driving a car through poorly-marked city and rural streets without a human there to keep them from potentially causing major carnage?

      There's a big difference in approach to these problems. The first is a simple rule based system, the second is a neural net system, which is much better at capturing complicated patterns.

    6. Re:Like AI by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

      Problem with flying cars is not of technical sort, you can make a car fly no problemo, or more accurately you can make an aircraft that can drive on roads. It's just silly to do so.

    7. Re:Like AI by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Watch how many times said human has to come running to override a confused checkout computer

      Agree, but I thought their PRIMARY purpose was to make sure you actually scanned all of your items and not accidentally "miss" a few of the more expensive ones.

      Conversely, I consider any product without a marked or tagged price to be free, and complain when they ask me to pay for it.

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    8. Re:Like AI by Cipheron · · Score: 1

      The problem with the flying car is that it needs to generate a lot of downward force, they're really noise / windy and there's no way around. They're a crap idea. Sure, you could make them, but you could also shoot a nailgun into your eye, that doesn't mean you should.

    9. Re: Like AI by fnj · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? AC is not even using a BRAIN.

    10. Re:Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want to know why self-driving cars are a LONG way off, just got to the self-checkout counter at your nearest major retailer.

      Did you just equate the sensor, hardware computing, and software algorithm sophistication of a modern self-driving car to a supermarket self-checkout counter? I think you just did. By that logic, there's no way we could have put someone on the moon in 1969 because Jimmy's Pontiac was in the shop every month.

    11. Re: Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know Wally world don't use neural net for self checkout? They got the cash for it and are known to spend on stupid stuff. Like trying to overthrow Amazon when they offer less than a tenth of what Amazon sells.

    12. Re: Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His point is not that. The technology has to be user ready, putting an expert on the moon is totally different. Trusting them based on fancy based data mining is not smart either. Self driving cars before human driving car planes thank you.

    13. Re:Like AI by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Computers can do everything you program them for ...
      Perhaps you meant if modern software/programs can not do X ...

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    14. Re: Like AI by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually he tried to make an Haiku.
      But the intertubes ate the last line.

      Three things are certain:
      Death, taxes, and lost data.
      Guess which has occurred.

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    15. Re:Like AI by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      second is a neural net system, which is much better at capturing complicated patterns.

      Again with the science fiction. If it was real and functional it would be put to use everywhere.

      Kids these days making shit up to justify their altruism to an a cool idea.

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    16. Re: Like AI by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      We have had self-driving planes for a few decades now. It's called Auto Pilot.

      We still need humans at the controls when things break because humans are still more reliable and predicable than hardware. A human body can be trusted to get better at something the more it's used.

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    17. Re:Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect to see flying cars within my lifetime; based on family history, I should have at most 30 more years.
      But they won't be driven / flow by Joe Sixpack. Either they'll be autonomous or controlled remotely like a drone or will have a professional pilot / driver.

    18. Re: Like AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in self driving cars will be inherently less skilled. As time goes on people will be less and less able to deal with manual override. Hopefully it will not often be needed. However, hope cannot really be relied on.

  5. SI units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dimensions are specified in millimeters, which is annoying.

    I would have used attoparsecs, personally..

    1. Re:SI units by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      The dimensions are specified in millimeters, which is annoying. I would have used attoparsecs, personally.

      And km/hr? What is that in furlongs per fortnight?

      Key Features:
      1. Worlds Smallest

      I need an empirical measurement in trumphands.

      2. Take off from public roads

      Cool. How about landing, aka crashing?

      3. Intuitive operation

      I grew up with Japanese VCRs. I've never been tempted to use the word "intuitive" in relation to a Japanese product with a user interface.

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  6. Why flying cars will never happen by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Think about all the idiots on the road you see every day. Now think about how much more damage they could do in a super powerful aircraft bearing down at you from 200 feet in the air.

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    1. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      What if you combine the idea of flying cars with self-driving cars? I think that could work as long as the driver has no direct manual control.

    2. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a flying car, forget about sneaking away from the house.
      People are annoyed just by little drones.
      Anything big enough to support a person (especially an obese American) is going to be loud and will likely produce powerful low frequency sound that penetrates any normal structure.

    3. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      We'll also have to figure out a better energy source for them as they require a lot more to fight gravity than a normal car. We're just at the cusp of getting our cars off of fossil fuels and it would be terrible to have to go back to them for flying cars just because batteries don't yet have the storage density.

      Then there's the noise. Can you imagine being downtown with tens or hundreds a short distance away? Some company (or city) will open up an area for people to land/take off or else what's the point for a lot of people to have them? At least in my city a large proportion of them live in the suburbs and work downtown and if they still had to drive their flying car to and from downtown then there wouldn't be a point in having a flying car. Anywhere the flying cars can take off and land will be a noisy area to be in.

      Throughout the last century plus cities have been getting quieter and now with flying cars that trend will reverse. Horses were a lot noisier than cars. Their horseshoes on cobblestones were very loud and there were a lot of horses in cities before cars became popular. Cars have become quieter over time. I really like the hybrid city buses as they emit about half the noise as the non-hybrid ones. Electric cars have the option to make almost no noise at all (except some people want them to have speakers and make loud noises). It would be too bad for the air to be filled with very noisy flying cars.

    4. Re: Why flying cars will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that has stopped people from buying motorcycles.

    5. Re: Why flying cars will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not mainstream!

    6. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think about all the idiots on the road you see every day. Now think about how much more damage they could do in a super powerful aircraft bearing down at you from 200 feet in the air.

      Replacing the word 'idiots' with 'terrorists', who btw, want to create hell on Earth by causing maximum damage ...
       
      While flying cars may not become a commodity, incoming terrorists riding flying cars might become a semi-regular 'in' thing

    7. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

      Why do people keep bringing up self-driving cars? Unless self-driving cars combined with flying cars produce anti-gravity, electrical or mechanical failures still create falling death machines. It's not suddenly less dangerous from falling because it's self-driving, just removes user mistakes.

    8. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by Macdude · · Score: 1

      Since user mistakes would be something like 98% of the mistakes and a parachute can deal with the 2% of cases left -- what was your problem again?

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    9. Re:Why flying cars will never happen by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My problem is that I don't have one of those tiny umbrellas Wile E. Coyote uses to protect himself from large falling objects.

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  7. Dubai FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dubai has all-electric helicopters in service today. Something wrong with that?
    Oh, did the idea of a helicopter blow up your idea of what is cool?
    Everyone knows how safe helicopters are, yes?
    That's right. We don't actually want flying cars.

    1. Re:Dubai FTW by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Damn right! We want driving helicopters!

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  8. Really? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    I'm having difficulty seeing what the trouble is. There's a whole bunch of existing drone technology -- sensors, controllers -- that they could leverage. Is it Not Invented Here syndrome, and are they trying to start from scratch? Or is there some issue with scaling the technology up to the size of a car? We already have drone platforms that can be ridden and controlled by a human.

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    1. Re:Really? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's what I'm thinking, Not Invented Here. There's already a tiny S. Korean group and a Chinese firm and god knows how many American companies/hobbyists who have successfully built manned quadcopters that have no problem taking off and hovering.

      Toyota must have used fresh-out-of-college engineers with zero hands-on experience and zero hobby background who did nothing but study books. Or a bunch of old about-to-retire automotive engineers who stopped being productive for the company due to senility.

    2. Re:Really? by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

      In the real world you have things like efficiency, flight time, payload capacity, range, safety etc. Nothing is more inefficient then trying to make something hover in the air. This is why without some future battery revolution, any kind of electric flight will be limited to toys and niches. It is also why weight always by far is the biggest factor in how long a drone can stay up in the air, and why using hover drones for any kind of delivery will never be the best alternative except for in some very specialized scenarios where speedy delivery overrules any other factors. And if we are talking about manned flight, just being able to take off and stay up in the air for a while is the least of your concerns. You can't just stop at side of the road, if you have some technical problem with a flying car.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think trying to hover in a vacuum is less efficient than in air.

    4. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to infringe on a patent, it's cheaper to not willfully infringe on a patent.

    5. Re:Really? by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have always through that these delivery companies investing into drone tech should be considering artillery style delivery. We have so much experience with delivering "things" with pin point accuracy. And parachutes, are extremely energy cheap, while catapults, trebuchets, and electromagnetic cannons are extremely efficient. A cannon built up the side of a skyscraper should be able to accelerate packages to tremendous speeds, then you just need a few parachutes and some remote controlled fins to nudge the package into alignment and you should be able to deliver packages to any rooftop or backyard in the entire city in seconds.

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    6. Re:Really? by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      A trebuchet could easily launch 90 kilograms worth of groceries over a distance of 300 meters.

    7. Re:Really? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Fetchez la vache!

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    8. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no bigotry towards amateurs or "new bloods". What I see here as a problem is the it was "demoed". That's either really bad management (they had no idea what would happen), or really cruel management (they wanted a public failure to push some other agenda forcefully, at the expense of the engineers' dignities).

      I had heard Japanese corporate culture was harsh. So I'm inclined to believe it's the latter.

    9. Re:Really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A cannon built up the side of a skyscraper should be able to accelerate packages to tremendous speeds, then you just need a few parachutes and some remote controlled fins to nudge the package into alignment and you should be able to deliver packages to any rooftop or backyard in the entire city in seconds.

      And when the chute fails to open, and you deliver the package to the wrong rooftop or backyard or face?

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    10. Re:Really? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I'm quite certain you may be only half serious with this but I'll make a comment anyway.

      I worked at a place that made the electronics for some of these "things" you imply. The forces on the "things" when fired from a cannon is immense. Getting electronics to survive this is not trivial. Getting something like a pizza to survive this delivery method would also not be trivial. I do like that you've given this some thought.

      What some people have proposed since the early days of flight is having a kind of parking garage for private aircraft built much like a land based aircraft carrier. People would be able to land on the top with an arrested assist to shorten the landing length. To reduce the length needed for the take off, and save on fuel, there would be a catapult assisted take off. To manage all the people coming and going the garage would have elevators to lower the aircraft to different levels where parking spaces existed.

      Imagine a package delivery system much like this. A tower of a building with space to warehouse products for sale and aircraft to deliver them. As people order products the product would be loaded on an automated aircraft and launched by catapult. The automated craft would fly overhead, release the product by parachute and return to base. The drone could be recovered and then refueled for the next delivery.

      I know I'm talking fantasy too but perhaps just a bit closer to reality.

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    11. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just promise the customer free re-delivery.

    12. Re:Really? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      mod parent u....Jesus Christ!!!!

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    13. Re:Really? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      This is why without some future battery revolution, any kind of electric flight will be limited to toys and niches.
      I suggest to google around a bit and watch some youtube videos to get a clue how many electricity/battery powered air planes we already have.
      Many of them fly since decades, literally.

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    14. Re:Really? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And on impact^H^H^H^H^H^H landing you even safe the time to cut it into pieces or putting it into a mixer. And the food will be well tenderized, too!

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    15. Re:Really? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Even just 2G (doubling the weight, a pizza should be able to stand that no problem) would give you a muzzle velocity of about 60m/s at the top of a high skyscraper. Probably not enough to deliver something to an entire city, but it could deliver lunch to an entire downtown, and most objects could take far higher Gs. If you were delivering food, it would need to be in the right container, but soup, salad, a sandwich, should be able to handle 3-4G for the sandwich and salad, and infinite for the soup. And cloths, dvds, ect, would take pretty much any acceleration you could throw at them, allowing you to launch them hundreds of kilometers. This really excels for some use cases. Imagine a disaster relief team that could deliver, medical supplies, food, water, clothing to thousands of sites with pin point accuracy at any point in a circle 300km across.

      But your idea has some very good points. cities have some great thermals, so gliding over top is efficient.

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    16. Re:Really? by judoguy · · Score: 1
      Yes! Please God, let someone set this up somewhere!!

      I desperately want to see one these things trying to deliver stuff.

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    17. Re:Really? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I live in an apartment, and I don't have access to my roof, you insensitive clod!

    18. Re:Really? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      They'll just skip the parachute and aim a little lower then.

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    19. Re:Really? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      And don't forget to leave your window open!

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    20. Re:Really? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, except that, they weren't trying to demonstrate a practical ready-for-consumer flying car, they were just trying to make a roughly car size object hover for the cameras. I submit that many engineering students could do at least that using off-the-shelf parts. Test by: They have. Check out that youtube video of a guy flying around a few feet above the surface of a lake on a battery powered platform. Not ready for consumers, maybe, but at least a proof of concept.

      So I guess my next question is, are big car companies just too complex and tied down by process to innovate to this degree? Or maybe it really does take MIT students using their own funds to really push the envelope.

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    21. Re:Really? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yes! Please God, let someone set this up somewhere!!

      I desperately want to see one these things trying to deliver stuff.

      To someone else...

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  9. Not going to be licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cars and crowds on the ground are already dangerous. Now give someone the ability to fly over barriers or hit floors of buildings. Not going to be licensed. Think that UK concert explosion was bad enough with a suicide vest, give the guy a car full of explosives and let him dive into the middle.

    1. Re:Not going to be licensed by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      If you had a flying car, that worked economically somehow, you would just restrict it to hovering a foot off the ground. Perfect for countries with decaying and non existent transportation infrastructure.

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    2. Re:Not going to be licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, a Star Wars land speeder.

    3. Re:Not going to be licensed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you had a flying car, that worked economically somehow, you would just restrict it to hovering a foot off the ground.

      Nope. That would be a truly terrible idea, because without ground contact you've got no way to stop rapidly. It's the same reason we don't use hovercraft. With modern control systems, a human could probably avoid running into every damned thing... but only if nothing unexpected ever happened.

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    4. Re:Not going to be licensed by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      "If you had a flying car, that worked economically somehow, you would just restrict it to hovering a foot off the ground."

      That's called a ground-effect machine, aka hovercraft and they work quite well. You can buy one if you really want one. There are practical uses. e.g. if you happen to inherit a small island complete with creepy mansion in the middle of a swamp from a long forgotten uncle

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    5. Re:Not going to be licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are practical uses. e.g. if you happen to inherit a small island complete with creepy mansion in the middle of a swamp from a long forgotten uncle

      I did inherit one of those. But then it burnt down, fell over, and sank into the swamp. But at least I've got 'uuuuuuuuugge......tracts of land to look forward to!

  10. So it's a Skyfall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and not a Skydrive?

  11. Re:Sounds like a Honda airbag... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh?

  12. It's not Toyota... by Anaerin · · Score: 1

    It's "A startup backed by the Japanese automaker" (From the first line of the f**king summary). The same way Morgan Stanley is maintaining a short-message based social network (Morgan Stanley is a backer of Twitter).

    1. Re:It's not Toyota... by thomst · · Score: 1

      OP here.

      FYI, the original AP story - to which I linked - is headlined "Toyota demonstrates flying car." I quoted that headline, even though I knew it was inaccurate, because I also knew that, as RAH noted, "Some cooks like to pee in the soup to make it taste better." Sure enough, "EditorDavid" changed it to what you see above.

      To be fair, it did actually crash - from an altitude of about 5 feet.

      You are factually incorrect with regards to Morgan Stanley "backing" Twitter. See the Funding section of Wikipedia's very long article about the company. In the case of Cartivator - the startup in question here - Toyota provides 100% of its funding.

      Just sayin' ...

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    2. Re:It's not Toyota... by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      That, and it's a "test flight", not a demo... Whoever originally wrote that headline should take their "talent" to the Daily Mail or Breitbart or some other place where people like to be trolled with inaccurate and suggestive headlines/content.

  13. Flying car or hovercraft? by blindseer · · Score: 1

    Looking at the specs they claim a flight altitude of 10 meters. This is quite likely within the range of ground effect meaning it cannot attain "flight" as many would understand it. This may also be merely a way to get around a lot of rules from the FAA and similar government agencies around the world and not have to go through the more rigorous testing required for a powered aircraft.

    This vehicle should not be that difficult to design. We've been making quad-copters for a long time now and so a lot of the math has been done. Just scale up to the point it can carry a person. Unless the problem is a matter of optimization, they are trying to find out just how cheap they can make this for market.

    Anyway, with a listed maximum altitude of ten meters this is less a "flying car" and more a hovercraft or ground effect vehicle.

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  14. for posterity, together wit cat videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the future, when anti-gravity tech becomes common, our grandchildren will laugh at us and our air-pushing flying machines.

    1. Re:for posterity, together wit cat videos by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      At the rate we're going, your grandchildren will be huddling in a cave trying to hook up an old car alternator to a paddle wheel so they can charge a 12V lead acid battery.

      Your lucky grandchildren.

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    2. Re:for posterity, together wit cat videos by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Paddle wheel! Luxury! Why in my day, we had to weave a rope out of our body hair, wrap one end around the shaft of the alternator and the other end around whichever child had been particularly bad that week, and push them off of a cliff.

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  15. Appropriate Girl Genius quote: by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    "It's a falling machine. I'm so impressed."

  16. The sad part is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sad part is that we have had the open-source software/firmware to do stable multirotors for many, many, many years. This is open-source stuff you can look at and see exactly how it works. Yet these well-funded morons can't make it work. Good job? Fucking kids.

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  18. CIRCLEJERK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    B... B.. But according to the Slashdot autists, next year an autonomous drone will be dropping off "Roofbots" to replace the roof of my house, then fly them away when done with zero intervention.

    Something something AI exponential something something.

  19. Measure in millimeters, to decimeter precision! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Love the units used for the specs on that site. Discussing a car like it's a PC component.

    Length 2,900mm
    Width 1,300mm
    Height 1,100mm

    We can't just say "2.9 m length, 1.3 m width...". e__e

  20. Not a good idea... by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love flying. The public loves the idea of flying cars. But flying cars are not a particularly good idea. They are energy intensive, far more than rolling cars. In addition to be wasteful of energy they're also noisy, dangerous and not particularly practical.

    In the movies we all love, or hate, the flying cars are held up by wires or arms so they seem to be silently gliding along. Real flying cars have to do a lot of work to fight gravity and stay up. This ends up being noisy because they're wind effect machines. They're not silently surfing gravity or mysterious force fields. They're pushing air down hard enough to stay up. It is really not sexy and certainly not silent.

    A lot of drivers are unable to navigate in 2D on the ground. Adding another dimension up in the air makes it that much harder for your typical Joe Blowshotair to drive. Expect a lot more accidents.

    What gets more exciting is those accidents are going to be up above your head.

    If you thought people flying camera drones over your house was bad, or ATVs & snowmobiles, then just wait until you have to deal with loud, dangerous, invasive flying cars zipping over your back yard and home.

    Flying cars are a really bad idea.

    1. Re:Not a good idea... by blindseer · · Score: 1

      To those people that ask why they don't have a flying car yet in $current_year here is your answer:

      They are energy intensive, far more than rolling cars.

      I've talked to a few pilots and they tell me that light aircraft will burn common gasoline (the kind without ethanol mixed in) and at a rate nearly equivalent to a common pickup truck, if done in a rough miles to the gallon per person kind of computation. Of course a common pickup truck can carry more than a ton of cargo and the kind of plane being discussed here can carry maybe a passenger or three and some luggage.

      These planes don't cost much more than a common pickup truck do either. At least if you aren't too picky on getting a used aircraft instead of a new truck. Then what's the problem?

      The problem is that an airplane can only go from an airstrip to an airstrip. The definition of an "airstrip" might be a grassy field in some cases but unless that grassy field is your backyard and the places you want to go also have such a place to land then this airplane is not so useful for day to day travel.

      One fix to this problem is to be able to land and take off vertically. To get an aircraft to lift off vertically means it requires a much larger engine. This means more fuel is burned. That changes the math.

      Another fix is to make an airplane road worthy. That means fitting the rules on minimum road speeds, crash worthiness, lights, and handling roads rougher than even a grassy field. All of this adds mass that must be lifted. Mass that is not useful in flight. Mass that adds to fuel consumption.

      Either solution to making an aircraft that can take a person from door to door, or even parking lot to parking lot, is going to take a lot of fuel.

      Flying cars are a really bad idea.

      I agree on a lot of your points but I believe many of the issues can be solved with some changes in law that one must follow, some changes to infrastructure, automation to simplify the controls, and so on. The big problem though that is not so easy to solve is the cost of the fuel. I believe we can make an aircraft that is safe, inexpensive, and land on a spot not much bigger than a parking space. The problem will be in the cost of the fuel. If the cost of energy drops because of some leap in technology then I can expect "flying cars" (I hate that term) to become common.

      How cheap would energy have to get to make a "flying car" practical? That's hard to say. It would have to get cheap enough that the speed and convenience of air travel is worth the cost in fuel compared to that of travel by ground. The comparative convenience of air vs. ground travel also depends on a lot of things. Which means these aircraft might be common in one place but unheard of in another.

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    2. Re:Not a good idea... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Pilots do fine in the air in 3D space. The simple fix is to dispel the notion that every idiot incapable of tying their own shoes deserves a license.

    3. Re:Not a good idea... by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      The automation will help. I trust an AI more than most humans to do the driving - not now but in the future. Unfortunately until we have anti-gravity or something like that the energy issue remains. Unless you like gliding. I do.

    4. Re:Not a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax, Musk.

  21. "who'll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using words like this in the summary demonstrate that the EDITORS HERE ARE MENTALLY RETARDED.

    1. Re: "who'll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure they'll pass that along to the Associated Press, whom they were quoting.

    2. Re:"who'll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing wrong with it. "Who'll" is a perfectly acceptable contraction of "who will" or "who shall." Mentally retarded? Not in this case. Got a mirror handy?

    3. Re:"who'll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lick my balls, pal. If I wanted to be blasted by slang all day, I'd be reading FARK.
       
      Parent is the type that would use curse words in a masters thesis for "flavor."

    4. Re:"who'll" by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1
      It's not because of that, it's this:

      Toyota Demos A Flying Car. It Crashes.

      which is actually:

      Small Startup's Experimental Passenger Drone Not Ready for Prime Time.

      That's hardly a clickbaitable article title though.

    5. Re:"who'll" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Lick my balls, pal. If I wanted to be blasted by slang all day, I'd be reading FARK.

      Parent is the type that would use curse words in a masters thesis for "flavor."

      Apparently, you don't know the difference between slang and a contraction.

    6. Re: "who'll" by blibbo · · Score: 1

      Seems pretty widespread from a casual Google search, mentioned without fanfare on dictionary and grammar sites.

      i think you'd find it hard to argue that it's slang or uncommon or unconventional usage.

      I think it's just your pet-peeve of how you think English should work versus how it does.

  22. Oh, kinda like Microsoft! by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1
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  23. Oh boy not more of these by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Toss it the closet with the Moller Sky Car

  24. The first flying car drive-by by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Call me Mr. Positive Thinking and assume someone will use a flying car to do a drive-by. Do they get away with it?

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  25. nominative determinism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the project leader's name is Tsubasa (wings)...

  26. So a TEST FLIGHT crashed? Gee. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Making a big story about this is like writing headlines about "fail" babies who trip on the carpet at 10 months old. It stinks like an attempt to make people laugh at Toyota and nothing more.

  27. So let me get this straight by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    Yet another group is placing a bunch of motor/propellor units on an "airframe" and calling it a flying car. Bad design. Very bad. The loss of any one of those powerplant/propeller combinations means the thing now "flies" just slightly better than a grand piano. Jeezuz, even a helicopter gives it's pilot at least a shot at a good landing (defined as one you can walk away from) in an engine-out scenario. This design has been a horrible idea since Moller came up with it, what, fifty years ago?

  28. They will lite the tourch in the 2020 olympics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and then blow it out as they fly off.