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Twitter Isn't Removing Enough Hate Speech, Complains The EU (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CNN: Twitter is not good enough at removing hate speech from its platform. That's the judgment of Europe's top regulator, which released data on Thursday showing that Twitter has failed to meet its standard of taking down 50% of hate speech posts after being warned that they include objectionable content. Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, and Google have all agreed to do more, promising last May to review a majority of hate speech flagged by users within 24 hours and to remove any illegal content.

A year into the agreement, the European Commission said that Facebook and YouTube, which is owned by Google, have both managed to remove 66% of reported hate speech. Twitter's rate, meanwhile, was 38%. That's below the commission's standard but a major improvement from December, when the service was removing only 19% of hate speech... Twitter was also slightly slower than rivals Facebook and YouTube when it came to reviewing content. The regulator said that Facebook reviewed flagged content within 24 hours in 58% of cases. YouTube did the same 43% of the time, while Twitter met the 24-hour benchmark in 39% of cases.

European lawmakers are considering laws mandating the blocking of online hate speech, so they're carefully watching what happens when social media companies self-regulate.

"Tackling illegal hate speech online is a contribution to the fight against terrorism," argued the EU Commission's top justice official.

201 comments

  1. And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anything the person in charge doesn't want to hear.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I hate those people at twitter that won't remove hate speech fast enough.

    2. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hate twitter.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    3. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      europeans. everything thats wrong with 'murika.

    4. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Russians could likely make the argument that the constant and unfounded blaming of Russia for every real or imagined theft of email or unexpected election result--that is, "Russia-blaming"--constitutes hate speech along the lines of "Jew-blaming." Further, they could argue that Russia-blaming hate speech poses a real threat to international stability and the safety of the Russian people. Given that the people pushing hate-speech laws seem to be aligned against Putin, such a Russian stance could prove worthy of popcorn.

    5. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, no.

    6. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they are not guilty because they do not consider any of their actions illegal in the first place. And they would consider it an affront to the motherland to allow any foreigner to define what is and is not illegal. And this approach seems to be validated by the other two super powers even though Russia can only be considered a super power due to the umber of nuclear weapons they have. But their nuclear arsenal is effectively checked by others leaving them with nothing. It's economic power that counts today and the state of California has a higher GDP then Russia.

    7. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we frequently talk about "freedom of speech" without considering the kind of speech.
      Popular speech doesn't need any sort of protection.
      Beautiful, kind, uncontroversial stuff isn't what we're talking about.
      Only the stuff that bothers someone needs protecting. Ugly, hateful, wrong-headed, disgusting, rabble-rousing speech is the only kind that needs any special freedom.
      And I say let them all talk!

    8. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      At least one moderator really understood my simple joke.

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    9. Re: And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the feel someone has done something, then it's good enough.

      The EU is eager to get back to the dark ages with real witch hunts. They have to witch hunt online now, but as soon as the internet is highly regulated, then dismantled, they can hunt people in the flesh.

      Of course the test for a witch is put them under water. If they do not drown, they are a witch. If they die, they are better off dead than being a witch.

    10. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remove EU neo-Stalinist influence ASAP. Slap a 50% tariff on all EU imports till firearms are freely distributed among white, western native citizens.

    11. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      It's things you'd get kicked out of the bar for in most places.

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      "Old man yells at systemd"
    12. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by sound+vision · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate Twitter as well. I hate it so much that I don't even use it. Actually, "hate" is too strong a word. Is it that I pity the users? No that's not quite it either...

      I do feel comfortable saying this: it is a terrible method of communication. By design, it promotes banal soundbites and sloganeering. The most depth you will ever get in a Twitter post is what Kim Kardashian had for breakfast, or what Donald Trump accidentally mashed on his keyboard when he fell asleep watching Fox News, or what new fetish some popufur has discovered. Even if there is some profound, free thinker who has a Twitter account, you won't find any profundity there. At best you'll get a link to somewhere else that actually has something worth reading. That is on top of all the negatives that the other social media have, like the strengthening of filter bubble.

      I would tell everyone complaining about Twitter to "put their money where their mouth is", but it doesn't even require any money, it just requires you to stop being a sheep. Don't use it. Not only will you help yourself, you will work to bring down the beast. No users, no money, no Twitter.

    13. Re: And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia can only be considered a super power due to the umber of nuclear weapons they have

      Real super-powers have taupe nuclear weapons.

    14. Re:And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Twitter is a diversion, much like reading the comments on /.

      I mostly lurk on there, but I have gotten a bit bored with it and don't even usually log in.

      I read it for tweets like:

      Jeremy ClarksonVerified account @JeremyClarkson May 21

        Something rude about Donald Trump. A pithy ending. And a hashtag #anotherperfecttweet

      and

      Jeremy ClarksonVerified account @JeremyClarkson May 21

        Something right on and apparently caring. Swear word. Perfect tweet.

      and

      Jeremy ClarksonVerified account @JeremyClarkson Apr 13

        I'M NOT ON FUCKING LINKEDIN

      For some reason that made me chuckle.

      And I'd probably forget to look at xkcd if I didn't follow it on twitter.

      And then there's the Haiku from James May:

      James MayVerified account @MrJamesMay Mar 29

        Foggy reasoning
      In parliament, and now the
      Continent's cut off.

      #Haikeu
      #Rubbish/Merde/Scheiße

  2. Censorship by augus1990 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Censorchip... that's whats the UE want.

    1. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohno, our constitutions forbid censorship. What now? -- The EU members
      We can do it for you! As a thanks for the technologies your companies have provided for our similar efforts. -- The UAE
      What is this letter confusion about? Trump me! -- The White House after reading the NSA report on UE

    2. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Confusion and company censorship doing it to the letters with technology and confusion for accepting EU bribes for it, after the NSA and White house too.

    3. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censorchip... that's whats the UE want.

      I don't know if you meant to type "censorship" or "censorchip", but I'm sure somebody is working on a censorchip that will automate censorship.

  3. The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate groups have been using Twitter to harass members of the LSMFQT community, and it must stop...NOW!

    1. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He disagreed with me!" isn't harassment, snowflake.

    2. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't that the canadian french separatist group?

    3. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heterosexual impulses should be removed from the society by force if necessary. They disgusting sexual behaviours should not be tolerated and our kids reprogrammed from the first grade onward.
        Shit, I'm in a particularly antithetical and sarcastic Hell and melting right now!

    4. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      LSMFQT? Lucky Strike Means Fine Quality Tobacco.

    5. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least the FLQ was a thing, and they dissolved in 1970.

      All I can find for the LSMFQT are license plate numbers.

    6. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smokers have definitely become an oppressed special interest group.

    7. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Slashdot discussions feature product placements these days.

    8. Re:The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more likely to find sympathy for heroin addicts than smokers. People can't separate tobacco companies from their victims, the latter become acceptable proxies for punishing the former, and the well-to-do can feel like they supported a good cause by wringing more money from the typically poor.

    9. Re: The EU should crack down on Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean the GayBLT community??

  4. Fuck the EU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are we going to fight back? Twitter and all the other big companies should set up VPNs to bust through their firewalls. We have to make censorship impossible. The internet is supposed to route around the tyrants.

    1. Re:Fuck the EU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are we going to fight back?

      Looks like Britain already has, at least.

    2. Re:Fuck the EU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When are we going to fight back?"

      Maybe never, the vast majority seem to be saying 'about time someone cleaned out all the crap, threats, and obscenities.

  5. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ban RealDonaldTrump and all his bot fans.

    Hate speech will drop like a rock

    1. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ban RealDonaldTrump and all his bot fans.

      Hate speech will drop like a rock

      A better choice would be for you to throw your computer in a dumpster and stay off the internet.

      Stupid posts on Slashdot would drop like a rock.

    2. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, does it hurt your little feelings that Don-Don has to buy followers from a script-monkey?

      You know, you could make something more of your life, if you just spent it turning food into shit.

    3. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet Killary's loss what a total shock to you?
      "How could it happen? Must be those fucking Russians!"

    4. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow. 134 days into the dumpster fire of a presidency and they're still raising an effigy of Hillary to try to intercept flak. That doesn't just reek of desperation, it's just sad.

    5. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet Killary's loss what a total shock to you?
      "How could it happen? Must be those fucking Russians!"

      What, you mean Trump's NOT-A-LANDSLIDE? You know where he proclaimed there were illegal voters for which he has NO EVIDENCE?

      And the Russians who Son-in-Law was trying to set up a secret communications line?

      Man, you GOPSTERS thought you were lucky to have a guy who bodyslammed a reporter, weren't you?

    6. Re:Simple Solution by Z80a · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about hate on a specific "race", you would have to ban pretty much everyone politicized from twitter to accomplish that.

    7. Re:Simple Solution by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      >Wow. 134 days into the dumpster fire of a presidency and they're still raising an effigy of Hillary

      You mean the liberal media? Yeah. They keep on flogging that dead horse like it's going to suddenly wake up and charge the enemy.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    8. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, butt hurt over the media, aren't you? Don't they know that the only acceptable course of conduct is to fawn over Trump like you, who gladly cheers the Emperor's New Clothes as he struts naked into the Rose Garden, and lynches the pickaninny who dared point out the inconsequential glory between the legs of the Great Orange Turd.

    9. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the losers get to be butt-hurt, loser.

  6. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is owned by Google?

  7. So... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Tackling illegal hate speech online is a contribution to the fight against terrorism," argued the EU Commission's top justice official.

    So... what this guy is saying is that he hates terrorism? Shouldn't we block him too?

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    #DeleteFacebook
    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he's saying is they will vigorously remove posts that target muslims, and not remove posts that target jews and christians. Because insulting one leads to terrorism, and insulting the other is part of the lefty ideology.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because the left is made up of child molesters, wife beaters and intolerant limp dicks.

    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tackling illegal hate speech online is a contribution to the fight against terrorism," argued the EU Commission's top justice official.

      So... what this guy is saying is that he hates terrorism? Shouldn't we block him too?

      No, most likely not. Each country in EU have their own regulations regarding this but a quick search give this:

      "Illegal hate speech, as defined by the Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA of 28 November 2008 on combating certain forms and
      expressions of racism and xenophobia ... means all conduct publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a
      group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion,
      descent or national or ethnic origin"
      http://ec.europa.eu/justice/fundamental-rights/files/hate_speech_code_of_conduct_en.pdf

      Terrorism would not normally be part of the extensions for the "group of persons or member of such a group...".
      The sentence is a bit ambiguous but it means that you can say that you hate terrorists as it is:
      * not a group of persons not defined by any of the listed
      * a expression of your feelings and not necessarily a mean to publicly incite violence or hatred against said group

    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would just be stupid

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's the right, get with the plan

    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tackling illegal hate speech online is a contribution to the fight against terrorism," argued the EU Commission's top justice official.

      So... what this guy is saying is that he hates terrorism? Shouldn't we block him too?

      I think you should follow the advice contained in your own username.

    7. Re:So... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      That's not an advice for me, it's for the others! Do as I say, not as I do.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    8. Re:So... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Well yeah except racism has been so badly diluted as a term as to become absolutely meaningless. The same goes for terrorism too.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    9. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what does covfefe mean? Unpresidented? And what does it mean to literally do something? Like if I literally walked on the moon, would it mean I had to actually be there?

    10. Re:So... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he's taking about blocking ISIS propaganda. Images of innocent people being beheaded, for example, violate that person's right to privacy in the EU.

      I agree that it's worrying and needs clarification, but even in the US some material is censored, e.g. involuntary pornography.

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  8. Quick! Too Much Truth is Leaking out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's that pesky interwebs again,

  9. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Translation: You are not removing things we do not like fast enough.

    Fuck and off you shitbag socialist narcissists.

  10. Illegal where? by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Learless Feeders like the EU totally fail to comprehend is that we don't all agree with them. On person's hate speech is another person's free speech. Just because they don't like something on the internet doesn't mean they need to, or can, ban it. One would think the EU would know history better.

    1. Re: Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I tend conservative or alt-right, and periodically try to leave (entirely civil) comments on articles published by the newspapers here (Switzerland). For example, suggesting that the solution to violence and crime by Islamic migrants might be to stop accepting them.

      My comments are almost always deleted and/or never appear. Certain points of view are simply not acceptable to the MSM or the current European governments. Hence, they become "hate speech"

    2. Re:Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but now some speech and its opposite can both be illegal.

      How am I supposed to learn about Nazi Germany if all the favorable documentaries are banned under anti-semitism laws, and all the negative documentaries are banned under hate speech laws?

    3. Re: Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do not agree with the EU leaders you are a traitor. It is the duty of all European citizens to obey without question the orders of the EU leadership. You should be arrested for even thinking otherwise.

    4. Re:Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you want to read stuff favourable about killing millions of people in gas chambers, shithead? And you can learn about Nazi Germany just fine. Even in Germany. What you can't do is talk a load of bollocks about it and pretend it wasn't the ravings of delusional madmen made government mandate.

      Oh, and as long as you retards don't bother understanding what the laws are, go ahead and cry about how bad whatever caricature you call hate speech is, because it won't change reality.snowflake.

    5. Re:Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beauty is that you don't even need to understand what the proposed hate speech law says to know that it sucks because either way it sucks.

      Either the law defines hate speech as anything the person in charge doesn't want to hear, as another poster said, or the law bans all hate speech equally no matter against whom it is addressed, in which case you cannot call anyone delusional madmen, even the Nazis.

    6. Re:Illegal where? by radja · · Score: 1

      1 person's murder is another person's self-defence. We have laws that differentiate between the two. The same goes for speech.

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      No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
      --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
    7. Re:Illegal where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note: I'm a completely different AC.

      I would like to read such books, I have read such books and I think they are necessary. I think basically everyone should read them. But I think we should be very careful with how they are read.

      To be a bit more clear. I'm not talking about books written post ex facto by some apologist trying to exculpate or tone down what actually happened. I'm talking about books written by the people who were there, and did the deeds and acknowledge them. Why?

      Because it's extremely important that we understand who these people were, where they came from, and how the fuck they came to the conclusion that stuffing millions of people, from the elderly to infants into gas chambers and killing them with insecticide was not only an acceptable, but an appealing idea.

      We have this unfortunate idea that Hitler and his cronies were "monsters" or some other sort of freak occurrence. The problem is that this isn't true. Sadly, I don't think we'd have to look very far to find a new Theodore Eicke or Heinrich Himmler. Worse, as long as we do not acknowledge this fact, or admit that his helpers were pretty everyday people, we will never properly understand what exactly happened or why.

      Even worse is this banning of everything that was "positive" about Nazism, because it keeps people ignorant and vulnerable to falling for the same tricks again. Remember, most people didn't vote for Hitler because his thugs beat up or killed the communists, their harassment of Jews etc. They voted for him because he gave hope and promised jobs, bread, freedom, camaraderie, revenge and reinstating the glorious past.

      Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
      Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!

      Does it feel somewhat familiar?

      Indoctrination is no substitute for knowledge or understanding, the trick is how you get people to understand that all that propaganda is just lies. Banning the past definitely not the way, it only strengthens those who would resurrect it since it denies the law abiding citizens the possibility to recognize the same bullshit being played on repeat.

  11. The countries in the EU caused 2 world wars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think their idea of what "should be permitted" deserves ANY respect, based on the poor performance of various of these countries in the past.
    If anything, these governments should be ignored.

    Aside from that, the idea of controlling "hate speech" is a fools errand.

    Even if you could control what is written on the web ( which is in practice impossible ) you will never be able to control
    what people say in their homes, or in bars or cafes, or in any other setting where people are free to come and go as they
    choose.

    The REAL agenda here is not controlling hate speech, but controlling the ability of people to express dissent relative to government.
    And if you don't think THIS is a very bad thing, you need to think some more.

  12. That's twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can say "Kill all white people" and that is all good, in fact it is sort of in fashion right now.

    1. Re:That's twitter by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I think we should immediately switch to the Bender quote right now, bypassing all the racism and religious bias. We would save decades of pointless wars.

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    2. Re:That's twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't want to kill white people? Are you some kind of a Russian Trump Hitler?

  13. Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans have free speech, bitch. When will you fuckers learn to appreciate free speech, bitch? Fuck off, bitch.

    1. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by bsolar · · Score: 2

      Americans have free speech in the US but, shockingly, US laws are not universal... the instant you set foot to another country you better realise a completely different set of protections (or lack of them) applies.

      Twitter definitely enjoys free speech protection for its operation in the US, definitely not for its operations in other countries.

    2. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Haha, just try speaking like that on tv or in most public venues.

    3. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans have free speech in the US but, shockingly, US laws are not universal... the instant you set foot to another country you better realise a completely different set of protections (or lack of them) applies.

      Twitter definitely enjoys free speech protection for its operation in the US, definitely not for its operations in other countries.

      The protections granted in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights extend to all human beings and not just US citizens.

    4. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by bsolar · · Score: 1

      Sure, but irrelevant: it's still only binding to the US, not to other countries. Basically if you are in Germany the US Constitution grants you free speech in the sense that it protects your free speech from begin censored by the US government, but it doesn't protect you in any way from being censored by the German government...

    5. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but irrelevant: it's still only binding to the US, not to other countries. Basically if you are in Germany the US Constitution grants you free speech in the sense that it protects your free speech from begin censored by the US government, but it doesn't protect you in any way from being censored by the German government...

      But US companies can't just stifle a human being's free speech just because the country they live in doesn't recognize it. That's against our laws.

    6. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by sabri · · Score: 1

      Basically if you are in Germany the US Constitution grants you free speech in the sense that it protects your free speech from begin censored by the US government, but it doesn't protect you in any way from being censored by the German government...

      Which means that the German government has no business impeding on an American entity, such as Twitter Inc, legally incorporated in Delaware, USA.

      In short, Germany's authority would (should) only extend to the Twitter user that was in Germany at the time of posting a tweet in violation of German law. But then again, we know that the Germans have a tendency to not care about borders.

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    7. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Americans have free speech in the US but, shockingly, US laws are not universal... the instant you set foot to another country you better realise a completely different set of protections (or lack of them) applies.

      Twitter definitely enjoys free speech protection for its operation in the US, definitely not for its operations in other countries.

      Perhaps if the laws are different, then the citizens of these countries should not be allowed to access Twitter at all, ever. Arrest them for using a web service that violates the laws in their country. Problem completely solved. Kind of like the VolksRadio.

      Being Europe. that punishment would be interesting given the fancy things y'all have done in the past.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    8. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " US Constitution and Bill of Rights extend to all human beings and not just US citizens"
      The protections only apply to US citizens and anyone located within the country.

      And the EU is nothing but a mafia style shakedown organization that targets US corporations with deep pockets. Since the EU was asleep at the wheel when the PC and Internet revolution started the only option they have to make some money is to bury the companies with regulations shaped to extort money from those more successful than they are.

    9. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by bsolar · · Score: 2

      You might have missed Twitter's EMEA headquarter in Dublin. It's naive to think you can do business in other countries and only have to abide to the law of the US.

    10. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by sabri · · Score: 1

      You might have missed Twitter's EMEA headquarter in Dublin

      Irrelevant. Last time I checked, Twitter's Dublin office was a separate legal entity from Twitter Inc. I'm quite sure that it's Twitter Inc which owns the servers hosting all of Twitter's data.

      The fact that Twitter Inc controls Twitter Dublin does not mean that Twitter Dublin gets to control Twitter Inc.

      That does not mean that the Irish government cannot require Twitter Dublin to abide by its laws. It can indeed, since the Twitter entity in Dublin falls within their jurisdiction. However, their authority stops at the border. EU laws stop at EU borders, and therefore EU laws have no business trying to control data on a server hosted by a US company in a datacenter on US soil. The US has a pretty strong protection of free speech, unlike the EUSSR.

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    11. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by bsolar · · Score: 2

      EU laws stop at EU borders, and therefore EU laws have no business trying to control data on a server hosted by a US company in a datacenter on US soil.

      As long as the data is in US soil and remains in US soil... but Twitter is serving data outside of US soil and into the EU.

      Look, it's not a difficult concept: if you operate in a country you have to abide to its laws, and serving content means you do operate in that country, even if the content originates from the US. Again, try exporting and selling something from the US into the EU and trying to claim you somehow can bypass all EU consumer laws since you are "incorporated in the US"... Good luck with such business plan.

    12. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by scsirob · · Score: 1

      When a US company decides to set up shop in a foreign country, it has to play by the laws of that country. US law does not trump (ouch..) other country's law.

      So when Twitter gets orders to stifle free speech in Germany because it goes against German law, Twitter has three options: 1) Lobby to get German law changed. 2) Obey German law. or 3) Pull out of Germany.

      Then follow the money.

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    13. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by bsolar · · Score: 1

      Of course they can: the law in the US forbids the US government from stifling free speech, but imposes no such obligation on private entities such as Twitter which, as a private company, has no obligation to protect free speech and can censor whatever it wants for whatever reason.

    14. Re: Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As long as the data is in US soil and remains in US soil... but Twitter is serving data outside of US soil and into the EU.
      Look, it's not a difficult concept: if you operate in a country you have to abide to its laws, and serving content means you do operate in that country, even if the content originates from the US."

      Are you actually insinuating that any US website accessible in Saudi Arabia (for example) is subject to Sharia Law? Holy cow.

    15. Re:Bitch, Twitter is a US company, Bitch. by sabri · · Score: 1

      Look, it's not a difficult concept: if you operate in a country you have to abide to its laws, and serving content means you do operate in that country, even if the content originates from the US

      Again: totally irrelevant. Again: a child does not control the parent, the parent controls the child. There are also Twitter users in China, do you think Twitter is going to abide by Chinese law? There are also Twitter users in North Korea, do you think Twitter is going to abide by North Korean law? There are also Twitter users in Afghanistan, do you think Twitter is going to abide by Sharia law?

      No, good sir, the EUSSR has no business interfering with a legal entity in the U.S.

      --
      I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
  14. In other to be tolerant, you must be intolerant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    of intolerance. That is something the Democrats get that the Republicans never will because the Republicans oppress freedom of speech by allowing speech they shouldn't allow.

  15. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Censorship... that's what the EU wants.

  16. Re:Spot on. by scsirob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly this. Twitter is now blocking elected politicians in some countries because they call out EU on their migration policies. Who the f*ck are they to decide what is hateful, and to whom??

    --
    To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
  17. Is not the Freedom to Hear... by Black.Shuck · · Score: 1

    ...of equal importance to Freedom of Speech?

    And what about the ears of the poor censors deciding what's good or bad to be heard?

    1. Re:Is not the Freedom to Hear... by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that Twitter is a company and owns the platform. They should be able to control what is posted on their app/service as the owner. To suggest a "Freedom to Hear" is that you are suggesting laws that prevent Twitter from deciding who can or cannot post on their platform.

      You clearly have not thought this through. To legally guarantee a venue for Free Speech, you now also make all groups equal. You can no longer block/shut down ISIS accounts because they too deserve their own place to disseminate their ideological views, Berkeley must allow conservative ass-wipes to give speeches, and the KKK can harass minority people by handing out fliers to them.

      Maybe what's more troubling is how we have allowed so much of our communication and public spaces to be commandeered by private companies. People having to depend on closed platforms, servers, and for-profit business plans for everyday life too much, where distributed, independent methods like email and RSS could be used in the past.

    2. Re:Is not the Freedom to Hear... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Maybe what's more troubling is how we have allowed so much of our communication and public spaces to be commandeered by private companies. People having to depend on closed platforms, servers, and for-profit business plans for everyday life too much

      This is exactly what the problem is, but it's not so easy to get people off of the private platforms which have turned into the modern equivalent of public squares.

      Practically speaking, the only way to solve the problem is by regulating these platforms and enforce the freedom of speech. That means telling Twitter they can't decide who can post on their platform; ISIS needs to be allowed to disseminate their shitty ideology; and KKK needs to be allowed to hand out fliers.

      You can no longer block/shut down ISIS accounts because they too deserve their own place to disseminate their ideological views, Berkeley must allow conservative ass-wipes to give speeches, and the KKK can harass minority people by handing out fliers to them.

      Trying to silence them is not how you kill an ideology.

      Take a look at history. Why do you think there are so few monarchies now? The idea of democracy didn't just become accepted by everyone overnight. Those in charge, namely the kings and queens of the era, fought tooth and nail to keep it from spreading. They banned books, imprisoned dissenters, tortured them and killed anyone they deemed too dangerous. But despite all that, they still couldn't stop democracy from taking root. People risked their lives to spread those ideas, because they felt they were right.

      The same thing happened for Christianity during the Roman times. Who knows how many died for that.

      If an idea is appealing, it will take hold no matter how hard you try to suppress it. On the other hand, if it's wrong, it will eventually die on its own. Take Communism for example. Many people tried to fight it, but none succeeded. The Nazis tried to kill it, but it didn't work. Nor did we kill it in Korea. Vietnam made no difference at all, and neither did Regan. In the end, it was the Soviet Union itself that finally killed it. Communism died when people realized it didn't work, that it didn't make people's lives better, and that it ended the tyranny of the capitalists only to replace it with the tyranny of the party elite.

      If you want Muslim extremism to go away, then stop fighting it and let it do what it will. Let them create their Islamic State. Let them run their country under Sharia Law. Let them do whatever the fuck they want. When ISIS completely fails as a country (and it will), Muslim extremism will die with it. We just need to sit back and do nothing.

    3. Re:Is not the Freedom to Hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you tolerate a phone that censored your conversations? What about a snail mail service that censored your letters?

      People absolutely have a freedom to hear the ideas of others.

      Your three examples: ISIS accounts, conservative speeches and racist pamphlets are all fine. More than that, they're necessary for a functioning society.

      1. We're at war with a religion. Why would you want to let multinational corporations censor their side of the story?
      We should absolutely destroy them for being a backward death cult. But we should absolutely not suppress their message.

      2. Oh noes, conservatives...

      3. I have heard that people respond to those pamphlets by whipping beer bottles. If you respond to politely distributed pamphlets with violence you are the problem, not the KKK. They also deserve to be allowed to make their case. That's the only way you can judge it. You can't claim to appose something without knowing what it is!

  18. Baffled by BS? The DJT says your're merely DAZZLED by shanen · · Score: 0

    Feeling baffled by BS? Trump thinks you're merely DAZZLED!

    Twitter is great for spreading BS. The complications of reality just don't fit into little tweets, but what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

    No brilliance in #PresidentTweety, just bankruptcy.. Let's shave Trump's tax returns with Occam's Razor, shall we?

    If you can borrow money, you are NOT really bankrupt. There are times when an actually sharp businessman can play bankruptcy games and borrow more money and come out ahead. That is NOT what happened to Trump.

    Trump's creditors, the American banks, refused to loan him more money after his first few bankruptcies. When your creditors are convinced you can't pay them back, then you are TRULY bankrupt. Trump was BROKE, not brilliant.

    But wait. This was in the early 90s. The Soviet Union was collapsing and the YUGE state economy was being liquidated. More precisely, it was being STOLEN by kleptocratic politicians who could approve sweetheart deals. The quid pro quo was in the form of YUGE bribes. Suddenly they had YUGE money, but it was dirty money and needed to be laundered. (Read Putin's Kleptocracy for details.)

    Tump's tax returns will eventually reveal that his assets are actually commissions for laundering that dirty money for Putin and his cronies.

    Be careful what you wish for, Vladimir. The fall of the house of Trump is going to unlaunder a LOT of dirty money from Russia.

    (No one knows how rich Putin is because all of his money is still dark. Low estimates make him one of the richest men in the world, but high estimates make him the richest. For now.)

    --
    Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
  19. OK got it by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One man's hate speech is another man's religious doctrine.

    1. Re:OK got it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoeIt is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a n*****. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also n*****-like..."

      --Karl Marx

      Or anti-religious doctrine...

  20. Unacceptabel!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The untermensch at Twitter muss comply with rightful European orders! Europeans are Herrenvolk, the true Master Race who is destined to rule the whole world. If Twitter does not remove hate speech wir will gas all the Juden! Verstanden?

  21. Re:Baffled by BS? The DJT says your're merely DAZZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Forget to take our meds today?

  22. Just make it broacast TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn the whole commenting thing off and turn it in to TV broadcasting, so the globalist banking institutions and their lifestyles won't ever be criticized.

  23. antiEuropean Commission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So called tolerance actually meaning intolerance.And human rights hate against whites, heterosexuals, christians and dictatorship of minorities. "Refugees" included and their traditional way of life in the no go zones.
    Hating removal of hate speech meaning hating this artificial construct called European Union.

    The main purpose of Bruxelles is to convert entire space of European Union in a single "No go area" with no walls, no states, no borders, one race. Just in wet dreams of extreme left useful idiots. Not reality.

    Communism from the USSR has provided the best immunization against communism from EU or America. Quoting somebody: Millions of "douchebags" form east against the new religion represented by progressivism, LGBTQ marriage, secularism, gender identity, "refugees welcome" and so on. Just because they refuse to self-destruct as some, politically correct and feminist, from West do.

  24. Re:Spot on. by lgw · · Score: 1

    Twitter in particular is fairly open about their political bias in censorship. I think that's perfectly OK for a business - there are all kinds of walled gardens, after all, and some people seem to enjoy them. I just wish these social media companies were more open and honest about it all, but I guess it really is hard to see one's own biases.

    --
    Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  25. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate speech == any speech I hate.

    I'd understand if they were, say, worried about blocking the Isis recruiters or something, but the people wanting the bans seem more eager to help them so what do I know?

  26. A quick question on hate speech by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A quick question for everyone.

    Kathy Griffin holding the bloody, severed head of the US president was all over twitter the other day.

    Does this image count as hate speech? Will Kathy lose her twitter account, or will reposters of the image be banned or penalized in any way?

    I'm just wondering if the content is important, as opposed to the political bias.

    1. Re:A quick question on hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did it count as hate speech when Ted Nugent said that Obama could suck on his gun? How about the YT vids and pics showing an effigy of Barak Obama being hung and burned? Because all you snowflake righties were totally against that being hate speech and insisting that this SHOULD NOT be prosecuted.

      Yet when Kathy Griffin does it, you all faint like you've just seen Old Yeller being boiled alive piecemeal and fed to The Milky Bar Kid on breakfast TV.

    2. Re:A quick question on hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and no.

      a random twitter user recreated that photo with kathys head.. he was banned within minutes of posting it to twitter.

      kathy however is still not banned.

      so it's both. yes and no.

    3. Re:A quick question on hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the YT vids and pics showing an effigy of Barak Obama being hung and burned?

      Bold choice to reference an effigy in building a strawman.

      Because all you snowflake righties...

      A "snowflake" is a college student that uses safe spaces to hide themselves from politically incorrect thoughts. "Snowflake" implies lefty.

    4. Re:A quick question on hate speech by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right now, the left is in the process of rejecting freedom of speech as a reactionary concept. Freedom of speech has been a cherished left-wing virtue for decades, advanced by people like Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, and many other radical luminaries. But lately the concept has come to be associated with the right, thanks to the vagaries of our political culture. If we were a smart, we would recognize not only that freedom of speech is consistent with left-wing principles, but also that appearing to be against freedom of speech is a sure-fire way to lose the support of potential adherents. But this kind of strategic thinking serves only to advance the movement itself; it does not advance the interests of the people within the movement. Indeed, the more that we drift into a âoefree speech is conservativeâ frame, the less people will be willing to defend the concept, even if doing so would be in our strategic political self-interest.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    5. Re:A quick question on hate speech by StillAnonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "right" doesn't care, for the most part. By and large, they really are about free speech.

      They just don't like the hypocrisy that the "left" espouses. If the left is going to say that hate speech should be regulated, then the left has to be held to their own standard. That they aren't is the problem the right sees and exposes.

      "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." Wasn't that an Alinsky directive? Ironic that it can be used against his disciples, isn't it?

    6. Re:A quick question on hate speech by cavreader · · Score: 1

      How do you ban someone when they can just setup another account under a different name?

    7. Re: A quick question on hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad you were modded up.

        The test: someone does it with Hillarys head. Imagine the uproar.

    8. Re:A quick question on hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

      Right. So when are the conservatives going to start scaling back spending?

  27. No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is a definition, but you neither know nor care.

    PS "child pornography" is defined as "whatever I thnk too young is"? Because in Japan, the legal age is way lower. And in some states and arab nations, it's higher than 18. And some places it's KP even if it's merely middle aged women dressing up as schoolgirls.

    Also "Free speech restrictions are whatever I decide is impeding what I want to hear", right?

    1. Re:No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a definition, but you neither know nor care.

      Well, why don't you tell us exactly what it is, then?

    2. Re:No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you go look up the laws?

      Not to mention it has already been done once in this forum, and this is currently less than 100 posts long, so easy for you to find it, yet you did not, indicating that you refuse to do any work and this request is merely to make a thousand posts telling you what the fucking law is which you will ignore.

      Moreover, going "Well tell me what it is then" is accepting you are making claims on what the law IS when you KNOW you don't have a fucking clue what the law is.

    3. Re:No, that's incorrect by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      In other words, you don't really have a good answer. You can't come up with a good answer. The best you can do is deflect.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    4. Re:No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan has joined the rest of the world in establishing 18 as the age for pornography. This, of course, has nothing to do with the age of consent for sexual activity. Even in the US alone, in most states, you can legally have sex with a 16 year old, but if you film yourself doing it, can go to jail for decades, even if the filming was consensual and not distributed to anyone (and even if you yourself are the only participant, but you're underage). Also, where is the age of consent for porn or sex higher than 18? Some places sex is outlawed outside of marriage (but you can marry in the single digits in a lot of those so...), but nowhere I've heard of does either sex or porn change from 18 to 21.

    5. Re:No, that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, the law is out there, retard. And correcting your lack of knowledge is not my responsiblity, cupcake.

      YOU just want to remain ignorant and still claim the right to talk as if you knew what you were on about.

      I'm just pointing out that your claims are made out of ignorance and therefore are meaningless drivel from a moron on the internet. Unless you're saying that there is no law written down saying what hate speech is, you concede the point and your whining about how I have nothing is meaningless flakery.

      And you fucking moron merkins. "What Abu Hamsa did was illegal!!!!". Really? Just speech. "What Snowden did was illegal!!!!" Really? Just speech.

      You merkins have hate speech and restrictions on free speech just like every other country, you only pretend that it's different because that's against the law, and therefore it isn't free speech.

      But the hate speech tweets are against the law, so not free speech.

    6. Re: No, that's incorrect by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Saying "the laws are there" doesn't explain how they are interpreted or applied. When they are -- like an example cited above -- as vague as "express[ing] disrespect" for certain groups, that is a recipe for inconsistent and even interpretation. Moreover, most of the people deciding who gets prosecuted or not have a strong bias about it. If the protections for speech are so robust, why did people in Germany face prosecution over a rather mild joke about Erdogan?

  28. contamination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Political correctness is a godless, terrorist religion. Trump is well within his rights to send drones to the affected areas.

  29. Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a video below of a gentleman at what appears to be an anti-fascist demonstration holding a sign saying, "The right to openly discuses ideas must be defended". According to the so called anti-fascists he's a Nazi and a fascist for having these opinions:

    https://twitter.com/BasedMonitored/status/862025400951742464

    Leftists of Slashdot, at what point do you start condemning the action of your fellow leftists? Most leftists are remaining very quiet as about this new form of fascism, that is coming in the guise of anti-fascism. Are you just going to stay quiet as Europe becomes a fascist state where only some opinions are permitted?

    This is a very dangerous situation, and action must be taken by all sides to protect free speech. I feel strongly that free speech should be enshrined in law, just as it is in the US. Sadly, I see very little chance of that happening. We're on a slippery slope and we're already at least half way down it.

    1. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a leftist, please show me that this case is as you describe it AND INVALID. Otherwise, please rightwing snowflakes, please educate the dimwits who don't know what the law is and don't care to find out, merely want to whine about the laws.

      And get on board with getting TPB and any filesharing site, which merely has speech that isn't wanted to be known about by corporate goons, the freedom to be heard.

      After all, copyright claims are just "I want to shut down a competitor", right?

    2. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in the fuck are you talking about? Are you on something?

    3. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Nice straw man. You need to show us a specific person who you think is a "leftist" calling that person a Nazi, rather than just imagining they must exist.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice straw man. You need to show us a specific person who you think is a "leftist" calling that person a Nazi, rather than just imagining they must exist.

      Imagining they must exist? Are you in denial? Can you not see them in the video? Or do you think those so called anti-fascists are right wing?

      I suppose you believe it's the right who are calling for censorship of "hate speech" and limits to free speech. Well, you can just keep saying, "No, I don't see any problems here!" as we march further towards a fascist state. Keep the blinkers on and carry on as normal, eh?

    5. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Leftists of Slashdot, at what point do you start condemning the action of your fellow leftists?"

      All the fucking time. We gave Obama a ton of shit for his broken promises and bad policy decisions.

      When are conservatives going to start taking responsibility for the shit government they elected?

    6. Re:Free Speech == Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a link in his post, jackass.

  30. Advice: Don't operate in the EU by SEE · · Score: 1

    Seriously. If you don't have physical operations in the EU, you will not have to worry about the continent's rulers' permanent inability to respect the concept of free speech.

  31. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Damn those white Christians that keep exploding all over Europe.

    In fact, a shitskin muzzie just mowed down a bunch of pedestrians on the London Bridge just minutes ago.

    But yes, that white Christian terrorism, whoo boy we gotta do something about that!

    Faggot.

  32. Another cash grab! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those EU's getting so crafty, learned from the best of them.

    Step 1: Find large US company
    Step 2: ______ for the kids! What about the women and children!!! (i.e. make shit up that gets traction)
    Step 3: Wait
    Step 4: Fine them BILLIONS!!!
    (of course put that in their coffers)
    Step 5: Import more illegals to vote!

  33. I can string together 7 words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that would get you convicted under CP laws. That is scary.

  34. Don't be prejudiced! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Funny

    But yes, that white Christian terrorism, whoo boy we gotta do something about that!

    Faggot.

    Now now, let's not be prejudiced!

    There's no evidence to suggest that it was Muslim in any way. We should wait until the official reports come in.

    Let's not jump to conclusions.

    1. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, never had a white guy go crazy in the UK before.

    2. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, never had a white guy go crazy in the UK before.

      White guys can be muslim....dummy.

    3. Re: Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft, next you're going to tell me that Brown guy can be Christian.

    4. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Setting aside the enigmatic possibility of non-Muslims killing other while screaming "For Allah!", what do "white guys" have to do or don't have to do with Muslims? A significant percentage of Muslims are "white guys".

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    5. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Yeah, never [wikipedia.org] had a white guy [wikipedia.org] go crazy [wikipedia.org] in the UK [wikipedia.org] before.

      The difference is that the Muslims aren't going crazy. They're doing exactly as told by Muhammed (STFU).

    6. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it matter what you scream while killing each other? That's an odd condition, would it be better if they screamed about their local sports team or over which end of the egg to crack?

    7. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, one in the beginning of this decade, one 21 years ago, and two in the late-80's (that's 30 years ago now for those older folks who don't realize it). So in 30 years, you can find 4 examples of a white guy going off the rails. Compare that to, fuck, how many now because of pigshit moslems in the UK and Europe in just the last year or two?

      From a group sworn to "destroy western culture" and kill the infidels? Do white Christian people generally have some manifesto from a pedophile to go around killing people? Do white Christian people generally find it acceptable to murder children for their ideologies? Do white Christian people generally rape women and murder homosexuals in the name of their gods? I didn't think so, and you know the two things don't even fucking compare. Fuck off.

    8. Re: Don't be prejudiced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, most brown skinned Christians are murdered by muslims.

    9. Re:Don't be prejudiced! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      What does it matter what you scream while killing each other?

      Because of the significant correlation between screaming "For Allah!" and being Muslim?

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  35. I'd would say: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't like it, block us out of your country and see where that gets you next election.

  36. Re: Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Antifa is white christians?

  37. Great post - please mod up! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Dude, great post!

    Insightful, with a clear point and historical context. Whether anyone agrees with the position is immaterial - it in NO WAY should have been modded down.

    You are a victim of the forces you are commenting upon, and I'm sorry for that.

    1. Re:Great post - please mod up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, isn't Okian Warrior cute, showing his love afffair for his fellow troll account.

      Sorry, but DNS-and-BIND wasn't even remotely coherent in his post, but merely rambling on like he usually does, with nothing other than his own self-deluded ideology guiding his writing. He deserves a downmod just on his inability to put a sentence together in a way that didn't sound like he was so deep in his navel that he face was showing up on his ass.

      You should probably tell your supervisor to let him go, he's not even remotely capable.

    2. Re:Great post - please mod up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just modded him up....

    3. Re: Great post - please mod up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have spent the effort getting him to a MD.

  38. Freedom of speech by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The USA offers freedom of speech and freedom after speech.
    In the USA a person can comment on the politics and policy of illegal immigration.
    People in the USA can link to news about the results of illegal immigration in their local communities.
    About the costs, funding and political groups supporting illegal immigration.
    People in the USA can also draw cartoons about religion and faith. They even have the freedom to create animations with music about religions, religions leaders and what people do in the name of their faith.
    In the USA people can comment on Communist party policy, its leaders and history.
    Thats why different people all over the world like, support and enjoy the freedoms the USA offers and protects.
    In the USA people are creative, smart, productive, they have the imagination and the freedom to talk, to read books, to review books, create, study and publish.
    In other parts of the world SJW and police watch accounts and report people for their comments.
    Nations are free to police and enforce blasphemy laws and protect the Communist leadership in their own nations but trying to project that onto the rest of the world? Or trying to alter network use outside their own nation?
    If nations in Europe have an issue with a site or online product then ban it for all people in that nation.
    Watch over every user trying to connect to that banned site and log their ip. If they try to connect too often after an official online warning, send some official to their home to conduct a formal interview.
    No problems, no questions, instant results and no more news about conditions in that EU nation been talked about online.
    No news, no links to the media out side that EU nation. No comments about local conditions, about local politics.
    The rest of the world can get on with been free and enjoying freedom.
    The EU can revert back to questions of faith and interviewing people who say bad things about Communist party policy.
    US products and services that support freedom of speech will grow, other nations government approved sites will be used by government workers.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a moronic wall of text. You wanna know why retarded US:ians go all haywire when people shut up lying idiotic neo-nazis?

      It's because they have never experienced living under their ilk, or fearing to be outright invaded or annexed by them. Your "rights" to spread bullshit, half-truths, distortions and lies do not trump my or anyone else's right to live a safe and unmolested life without having fuckwads trying to egg on people who are even less intelligent than themselves to go from word to action.

      People like you are a disgrace to the human intellect. Not only don't you have a clue about what you're speaking about, you're actively spitting on the graves of everyone, American, German, Danish, Dutch, Belgian, Russian, Pole, Yugoslavian or whatever nationality you want to put in there, who had to sacrifice their lives before the criminals were put down the last time. How about that btw?

      From your point of view, WWII must be the greatest censorship operation in the history of mankind! After all, all Hitler did was conquering Poland, hardly a reason for a World War, right?

      How the fuck can people like you misplace their brains so completely? Where you born without one?

    2. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so sorry. As an American, I can't imagine what it must be like to live every moment of your life in the constant fear that one wrongthink will make the Literal Nazis jump out of hiding and take over your country. I doubt I could live under the stress of knowing that at any moment, a child could say the wrong thing and resurrect Literally Hitler.

    3. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wanna know why retarded US:ians go all haywire when people shut up lying idiotic neo-nazis?

      Because we prefer dangerous freedom to safe oppression. This is why, in my country, any man is free to discuss any idea. The free and open discussion of these ideas does not trump anybodies right to live safe and unmolested, quite the opposite really.

      In the US, if you don't like the things you are hearing, you are free to say why. Join the discussion, make your points, and discuss ideas openly. While we have these discussions, from time to time, somebody asks... "Yeah? You wanna fuckin fight about it?" Sometimes.... we do. If not for that very question, our flag might just look a little different.

      As soon as this is not the case, your right to live free and unmolested is in serious jeopardy. I don't know where your from, but from the sounds of it, you would prefer your government decides what's safe to discuss, and open every discussion the we way we free peoples here in the US sometimes end them..

      For centuries, those in power have sought dominion over the minds of their people with your exact argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      After all, all Hitler did was conquering Poland, hardly a reason for a World War, right?

      Sounds like something you aught to ask your own government, while you still can.

    4. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ignorance of truth is impressive.

    5. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here your level of intelligence strikes. You can't even read properly.

      This isn't about "discussing". It's about baiting, egging on and instigating violence or discrimination against people you think are weaker than you in order to compensate for your own failings.

      If you want to discuss Nazism I have no problem. Nor does anyone else. Where the problem arises is when you start yelling "Everything that is wrong in society are the Jews/Mexicans/homosexuals/gypsies/Jehovah's Witnesses fault!" "Death to the Jews/Mexicans/homosexuals/gypsies/Jehovah's Witnesses!", and when you start to spread false rumours and lies about said groups in order to instigate violence and unrest you can benefit from.

      But hey, I'm sure you'd be fine with someone spreading lies about you resulting in an angry mob surrounding your house in the middle of the night. It's free speech, right?

    6. Re:Freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the USA, People are bigotted, racist, poorly educated, short sighted and selfish. FTFY.

      If you criticise or expose the USA government, you are guaranteed to be royally fucked up big time. (Standing Rock, protest zones, instiutionalised torture, 3 strikes, Occupy, BlackLives etc. etc. etc.)

      People in the USA are deluded by the internal propaganda that they are such exceptional individuals that they should be forgiven any and all "minor errors". An honest mistake, my arse.

      With great power goes great responsibility, and the USA and UK politicians and authorities are fucking us up as if it were the stated goal.
      And we encourage them ...

  39. Re:In other to be tolerant, you must be intolerant by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    > of intolerance. That is something the Democrats get that the Republicans never will because the Republicans oppress freedom of speech by allowing speech they shouldn't allow.

    You have that exactly backwards.

    It's liberals that throw hissy fits, riot, and claim it's fine to punch anyone they don't approve of. Your notion of liberalism and Democrats is at least 20 years out of date if not more.

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  40. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't know white terrorism bitch-faggot ... think on WW2 & Dresden. Then think on armed white yeomanry always behind you. Got the feeling Trotsky slut ?

  41. Fuck the EU by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Good job Britian getting out of this mess.

    1. Re:Fuck the EU by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Good job Britian getting out of this mess.

      They are knee deep in the mess themselves.

  42. Re:In other to be tolerant, you must be intolerant by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Liberals, Democrats, Republicans... blah blah blah.... Sounds like the brainwashing sideshow really has you fucked up. Censorship aint a partisan issue, and no amount of finger-pointing will make it so. It's not them, and it's not you, and it's not me, it's us.

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  43. mandatory censorship by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

    yay!

    I'm what you'd call left-wing, from Europe - but what I see is that anything anyone merely disagrees with is hate speech. This is madness. It has to stop.

  44. Simple solution... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Americans have free speech in the US but, shockingly, US laws are not universal... the instant you set foot to another country you better realise a completely different set of protections (or lack of them) applies.

    Simple solution...

    If you don't like what's being said in the U.S., don't connect to our servers and download it.

    Problem solved.

    I think China has some technology you can license, if you need help with this.

    1. Re:Simple solution... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      If you don't like what's being said in the U.S., don't connect to our servers and download it

      Good idea, but at that point, Twitter would cave in and apply censorship.

  45. Re:Spot on. by SirSlud · · Score: 1

    Coward indeed.

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  46. right target by Tom · · Score: 2

    Because "hate speech" clearly is the worst problem the world is facing right now.

    How about we focus on the truth value of information instead of the subjective, emotional aspects? Now that would be something new. Who knows, we might end up with something worth the name "journalism" again.

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    1. Re:right target by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      How about we focus on the truth value of information instead of the subjective, emotional aspects?

      If I would tweet “There are refugees living in the Arden st. 79-2, let's go beat them up!”, should we focus on the facts of the tweet? If I tweet “Jews are thieves and murderers, and some, I presume, are good people”, would you say that this is a perfectly true statement?

    2. Re:right target by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yes, let's focus on the facts of the tweets.

      In your first tweet, you incite violence. In your second tweet you make a false statement about a large group of people and no, the "and some" does not change that, because grammatically, the first statement still applies to the majority.

      So yes, even trollish tweets can be countered with a rational look at whether or not they are true.

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  47. fear by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    I, for one, live in mortal fear of unpopular opinions. Moar censorship now!!!1!

  48. Re: Baffled by BS? The DJT says your're merely DAZ by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    Very imaginative theory - good work! But how does this relate to the queen of England being a reptile? I can see the extraterrestrial angle to your story. But how does Elvis get involved?

  49. Re: Spot on. by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    Excellent idea! Block the sitting President and watch what little remains of Twitter's relevancy evaporate overnight.

    Really, besides Emperor Trump, who still actually users Twitter? I don't know anyone who will admit to it.

    Isn't it fascinating how a "private company" can hemorrhage money for a decade and yet somehow, miraculously still remain a going concern? Almost like they were being propped up for some decidedly non-commercial reason.

  50. Re:Spot on. by fermion · · Score: 0

    Don't live in Europe, don't worry about Europe. Worry the I am going to trying to help some muslin on the bus, and some fracker is going to kill me for it. Have had a lot of Christians in my life almost come to blows because I demanded they respect other people.

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  51. Re:Spot on. by scsirob · · Score: 1

    Check the article please. It isn't Twitter who sets these rules (which would be OK, as it's their company). It is political bodies like EU who abuse their power to make companies like Twitter push their agenda. EU gets to decide what is hate speech. And that could be anything that goes against the interest of EU (the organisation, not the people..)

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  52. Rather than solve the terrorist migration problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just want to stop people from talking about it, or accusing terrorist migrants of the rapes they commit, or other crimes. Before the terrorist scourge invaded Europe "rape gang", "no go zone", and "bombing" where things that you wouldn't even consider happening. Now? Apparently it's "unavoidable"

  53. a quick answer by aepervius · · Score: 3, Informative

    No it does not, it counts as a bloody stupid joke. Contrary to what people (probably anerican) seem to think hate speech is not defined as "what politician do not like" , in fact there are quite a few protection to ensure this is not used to squash normal non hate speech. Secondely the EU cj does not define hate speech, individual countries do, this may be difficult to understand to american but this is not like your federal system. The eu only define the action that may taken and how to ensure speech protection but does not define hate speech, this is up to each individual state, but if they did include "not liking your president" they would be squashed by the eu court on ground of human right - fredom of expression. No 2 state has then same hate speech definition, but most can be summarized as "call to violence , murder, or genocide against an ethnnic group, nationality or sub group if people" e.g. "kill all turban head" is hate speech, "decapitate trump" is not, it is just blody stupid.

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    1. Re:a quick answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Sweden you can be labeled a racist that promotes hate-speech by just disagreeing with how the immigration and refugee-integration is being handled, even if you come with constructive ideas..

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith or sexual orientation.

      Showing disrespect for the Koran could be classified as hate-speech and that is a crime.. Saying something disrespectful about homosexuals is hate-speech and is a crime.

      Where is the logic in making someone a criminal for their ideas and words.. If someone does not like it they are free to stop listening and walking away.

    2. Re:a quick answer by elgaard · · Score: 1

      "Secondely the EU cj does not define hate speech, individual countries do"

      But does that mean that EU is now demanding that Twitter censors speech that is forbidden in just one EU member state even if it is legal in the other 28 EU states?

      So EU are unhappy with Twitter only blocking 38 percent of flagged content.
      They acknowledge that not all content flagged by users isn't prohibited by law.
      But how much is that really? Maybe it is 70 percent and then Twitter is blocking "to much".

      Who actually decides what should be blocked? Because it is certainly not the European court of Justice or any other court that is reviewing all the tweets.

      We are some European citizens that believe that we have the right to seek information without being blocked by some German company hired to oversee some code-of-conduct policy made by bureaucrats supposedly based on some member-state laws that are never tested in courts.

  54. they did eXplode all over europe by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Ira, basque liberation, corse liberation, Red army fraction.... most terrorism in europe was not islamist. In fact most terrorism in the usa (and possibly eu) is actually local born and non muslim, think ehite supremacist and ALF, look it up on fbi page for the us, it is just that media rarely report most of it.

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    1. Re:they did eXplode all over europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So if we sum up all non-muslim terrorist-acts between 1900 until today we have less deaths than people killed by islamists during the last 20 years. It does put it in perspective..

      Difference is that out of a billion muslims it's estimated that somewhere between 10% to 25% are extremists or support the actions performed by extremists.. Don't think we have 100-250 million people in the world that supports any of the organizations you listed above..

      But being afraid of being killed in a terrorist-attack is also a bit strange.. Last year ~35k people died in car-accidents ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) and that is a lot more, killed during a single year, over people killed by terrorists for the last 100+ years.
      If you stop being afraid the terrorists lose.. It's their goal to terrorize people to make you afraid and make people want things like this to be put in place.

      I am all for freedom of religion and freedom of speech. You should be able to do anything you want as long as you don't infringe on anyone else's rights, and you do not have a right to not be offended but i do have the right to offend.

      Banning "hate-speech" like that because of "Oh, the terrorists" is just a way to prevent the majority of the population to not fight for their rights. And the whole thing is just a way so people with "incorrect" thoughts can be punished.

    2. Re:they did eXplode all over europe by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you stop being afraid the terrorists lose.. It's their goal to terrorize people to make you afraid and make people want things like this to be put in place.

      No, their goal is to take over society, install Sharia law, and kill all the infidels. If you stop being afraid, and don't attempt to stop them, they'll only reach their goal sooner.

  55. no such thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no such thing as illegal speech.

    1. Re:no such thing by scsirob · · Score: 1

      Now travel to, say, North Korea and repeat this statement.

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  56. Re:Free Speech == Wingnut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, what you call "leftists" are center-right. What i call leftists is black flag anarchists, anarcho-communists etc. So until these "antifascist".. people start actively sabotaging the capitalist society and its productive and reproductive machinery, they don't really mean it. And i'd be suspicious of their motives, if they're quoting Marx, and not Bakunin or Kropotkin or Makhno while doing it!

    I might even go as far as saying that the so called anti-fascists have no political position of their own, their position is defined by those whom they oppose. Imo it's more of a politically flavoured football hooligan thing.

    On the other hand, IF they honestly do what they think is the right thing to do, they shouldn't be condemned, no matter how irrelevant their misguided efforts are.

    "as Europe becomes a fascist state where only some opinions are permitted" Umm, do you even know what a discource is? In any society, there are things outside the commonly accepted norms, that "we" don't talk about in polite company. And as for corporate fascism... europe had it for a long long time, i think they actually invented it. It works regardless of state ideology, or state's existence. Parallels to tribalism are striking, if you compare the two, side by side.

  57. Re:Spot on. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

    and we must ignore the white supremacist that killed 2 people in the last week or so for trying to stop racial abuse

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  58. first it's hate speech.... by molecular · · Score: 1

    ...then it's *your* speech.

  59. decentralize! by molecular · · Score: 2

    There's clearly a need to decentralize these kind of services (social platforms in this case) to make them censorship resistant and privacy-preserving.

    What are the efforts being worked on?

  60. Re:Spot on. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

    Probably was a Muslim. Also probably a British citizen, born here, raised here.

    Some people will scream for immigration controls, despite that. Some people will demand deportation, even though it's not possible. Some have already demanded internment camps, even a second Holocaust.

    I'm not gonna let act of that shit happen, because I care about freedom in the UK.

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  61. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a site by Americans, for Americans. Whatever 2nd-world ex-soviet shithole you're from, stay there. Which you will, since we won't give you a visa. Enjoy your shitty life.

  62. Re: Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol....says the wage slave peasant eeking out an existence on $10/hr.

    Don't lose your job boy, and don't get sick.

  63. Re:Spot on. by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    I'm not gonna let act of that shit happen, because I care about freedom in the UK.

    So what would be your plan to stop them ? Appease them, and hope they kill you last ?

  64. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Sure. Just like it was also probably a muslim last time, and the time before, and before, and before, and before. So how many more raped pre-teen and teen girls, pre-teen and teen girls forced into sexual slavery, religious imams trying to take over schools, boys being taught women and girls are subhuman/less worth than a man, taught to kill the unbelievers, that the UK *is* actually the problem, bombings, people mowed down, the gays being openly assaulted for being gay by muslims, women being assaulted because they dare to show ankle -- all in the UK is it going to take before you change your opinion?

    When you're on your knees begging or before? Or do you think that people will simply have enough and start killing muslims in the street? I have a feeling it'll be the latter first, simply because it's already happened.

  65. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy that supported Bernie Sanders?

  66. Re:In other to be tolerant, you must be intolerant by OhPlz · · Score: 1

    Go back to your safe space, wounded snowflake.

    There is no "speech they shouldn't allow" if we're adhering to the principles of free speech. It's a pretty simple concept.

  67. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the guy who was assaulted just because he was speaking?

  68. Re: Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct, some SJW did not like what he said to some mudslimes and got physical. Got stabbed for it.

  69. Re: And "Hate Speech" is, of course, defined as.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you sir. You win the internets for today.

  70. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They call out politicians for criticizing broad groups like Mulslims, not for criticizing policies. Stop being delusional. Racism on Twitter is a problem, as well as on /. and almost every Internet community.

  71. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AmiMoJo calls himself half eastern-asian on slashdot where elsewhere he claims to be Pakistani.

    His angle is that anything that will hamper terrorists might affect him negatively as well. This is also why he is an adamant defender of immigration and diversity. To be anything else would be against his interests.

    Now that you know his bias, the rest of the puzzle pieces fall into place.

  72. Re:Advice: Don't operate in the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a point that a lot of US companies seem to have forgotten in their rush to open European subsidiaries in order to avoid paying appropriate US taxes. By dodging US taxes, they have opened themselves up to regulation by EU politicians -who see them as foreign companies (and thus deserving of punitive action whenever possible.)

    Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Make a choice: Do you want to be a US company and be free of these stifling regulations, but pay US tax rates OR be a European company with lower tax rates, but operate under SJW policies.

    Trying to operate as a hybrid will eventually lead to paying more taxes (and fines) while having to follow everyone's rules -even when they directly contradict one another.

  73. So.... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    The EU hates freedom of speech. Got it.

  74. Re:Spot on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what would be your plan to stop them ? Appease them, and hope they kill you last ?

    Well, that worked with Hitler...

  75. Re:Spot on. by bipbop · · Score: 1

    Holy shit, this garbage gets modded +4 insightful? I know Slashdot is pretty low quality, but come on.

    Guess I'd better set my expectations even lower.