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Google Has Finally Found a Buyer For Its Scary Robot Companies Boston Dynamics and Schaft: SoftBank (recode.net)

Japan's SoftBank is buying robotics group Boston Dynamics -- the makers of the bipedal Atlas, the jumping Sand Flea and the animal-like BigDog, Spot and Wildcat robots -- from Alphabet, more than a year after Google's parent put the unit up for sale. From a report: Google acquired Boston Dynamics in 2013 under the leadership of Andy Rubin, the co-inventor of Android, who was leading a wave of acquisitions of robotics companies under the search giant. Boston Dynamics' robots routinely make headlines, including a high-profile demo at this year's TED conference. The company, led by CEO Marc Raibert, has made a robotic cheetah that can run 28 miles per hour, a robotic dog that it recently used to deliver packages to doorsteps in Boston, and most recently a massive legged and wheeled robot that can clear hurdles and walk down stairs. The firm has been hailed by other roboticists for its ability to blend hardware and artificial intelligence to make machines capable of dynamic, agile movements. Its most recent wheeled robot, Handle, can manipulate objects that are comparable to its own weight, and its four-legged, animal-like robots can maneuver over different types of terrain.

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  1. Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's significant. Schaft has better actuator technology; electrical, rather than hydraulic. They built a very nice humanoid robot a few years ago.

    As I wrote last year when BD came up, the guy behind BigDog was Dr. Martin Buehler, who previously had an ambulatory robotics lab at McGill, and whose group built the first good running robot quadruped. He's at Disney now. Raibert was primarily responsible for the hydraulics; his name is on the patent for that. But unless SoftBank wants to build giant mecha, hydraulic systems are too bulky. Also, Raibert is 68 now.

    When Google bought both companies, I thought they'd put Boston Dynamics control algorithms on Schaft hardware. That did not happen, as far as anyone on the outside can tell. But everyone loves Schaft, especially their hardware.

    1. Re:Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But everyone loves Schaft, especially their hardware.

      Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about? (Schaft)
      Right on
      You see this cat Schaft is a bad mother (Shut your mouth)
      But I'm talkin' about Schaft! (Then we can dig it)

    2. Re:Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But unless SoftBank wants to build giant mecha, hydraulic systems are too bulky.

      It's a Japanese company, of course they want to build giant mecha. The human-sized robotacops will be primarily just to cause distractions and explode spectacularly.

    3. Re: Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to be kinda old to get this one.

    4. Re: Notice that they also bought Schaft. by MightyYar · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, welcome to Slashdot.

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    5. Re:Notice that they also bought Schaft. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3

      Schaft has better actuator technology; electrical, rather than hydraulic.

      Nitpick: BD uses pneumatics (air) rather than hydraulics (oil).
      Pneumatics have several advantages over hydraulics:
      1. Air is free.
      2. Leaks are much less messy.
      3. It is much easier to make modifications.
      4. Air has less inertia and viscosity, so faster actions are possible.
      5. Air is compressible so pneumatic actuators can absorb shocks and impacts.

      But, as you said, electrical actuators are generally even better.

    6. Re:Notice that they also bought Schaft. by l20502 · · Score: 2

      Wrong, bigdog and other Boston Dynamics robots are hydraulic Air makes a lot more noise and being compressible makes it pretty useless outside of industrial machines moving stuff around or compressed air tools.

    7. Re: Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about? (Schaft)
      Right on

      You need to be kinda old to get this one.

      Yeah, well, welcome to Slashdot.

      Hmmph. If this were properly Slashdot, it would have been the correct old reference. Schaft Enterprises was originally a fictional manufacturer of military Labors in Europe and the US in the Patlabor anime series from 1989-1990. The company designed and manufactured the Griffin Labor, a recurring (and starring) antagonist. The real Japanese company Schaft was founded in 2012, with the name obviously chosen as an homage to the series/movies/manga.

      You'd have thought they'd have chosen Shinohara Heavy Industries instead (the Japanese company in the series that manufactures the starring Ingram Labor), but they were indulging in a quintessentially Japanese bit of irony. Schaft was founded to allow its principals to accept money from military sources, specifically the US DARPA, who had issued their Grand Challenge in robotics, with prize money. As researchers at the University of Tokyo, they would not have been allowed to accept any money from DARPA. So naturally when choosing a name, they went with the rebellious criminal company name, rather than the establishment respectable name.

      And get off my lawn!

    8. Re:Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re: Notice that they also bought Schaft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wanna see shaft then ask yo mamma.

      The real deal shaft was 1971 and didn't need no c.

      You damn punk kids with your popular music and cartoons.

  2. For sale. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does anybody want to to buy my Lego Mindstorms?

    1. Re:For sale. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Put it on eBay?

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    2. Re:For sale. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Does anybody want to to buy my Lego Mindstorms?

      Standard Slashdot question: "Does it run Linux . . . ?"

      Well, actually, yes, it does: http://www.ev3dev.org/

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  3. In home use by PrinceAshitaka · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this company, as now a japanese owned brand, will be more likely to push thier robot development for in home uses instead of industrial uses. I want a robot to do my dishes.

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    1. Re: In home use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have a woman.

    2. Re:In home use by Topwiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe they will develop sex robots.

    3. Re:In home use by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      You say that as if Japanese were obsessed with sex and/or robots.

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    4. Re:In home use by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Maybe they will develop sex robots.

      . . . that was already done by Hollywood, in the late 80's: (Cherry 2000) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    5. Re:In home use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a robot to do my dishes.

      Those already exist. They're called "dishwashers".

    6. Re:In home use by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      They seem to be better at sex anyways.. So :P

    7. Re:In home use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly what I was thinking. The longstanding cultural love Japan has for robotics make this a great deal for EVERYONE. Can't wait to buy my first AGI home robot from Softbank!

    8. Re: In home use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have a gynoid.

    9. Re:In home use by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Only if they have tentacles.

  4. Google's Reliance On One Man by ranton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I find most odd about this situation is how reliant Google's robotics division was on Andy Rubin. The only reason I have found for why Google was selling Boston Dynamics is that after Rubin's departure the string of Google robotics acquisitions were left without direction. I can understand why a small startup can be significantly impacted by the loss of one key contributor, but it's surprising for the strategy of a huge enterprise like Google to be so dependent on a single SVP.

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    1. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Boston Dynamics was pretty directionless before Google bought it too. They started out drinking milk from the national defense titty, but when that money dried up they had very few options.

    2. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Large corps often underappreciate the significance of 1 person---be it in success or failure (frequently one bad player can implode years worth of collective effort... and sometimes, a brilliant someone can save a sinking ship). Once a corp gets beyond a certain size, all employees are commoditized in a way, and the only person who seems to matter is the "CEO" (who strangely often does the least amount of "work").

    3. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it's surprising for the strategy of a huge enterprise like Google to be so dependent on a single SVP

      Another possibility is that nobody thought this was a good idea except Andy, but people appreciate Andy and Google could afford to let Andy play with it.

      I don't know what really happened, of course.

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    4. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what confuses me most about the whole Google Robotics initiative. At this point, I honestly believe that leadership knew Andy Rubin was going to leave, and they didn't want him to leave, so they bought him $12B worth of toys in order to convince him to stay. Then he decided to leave anyway. The idea that the entire project imploded after one person left is absurd.

    5. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is insane if true. No one person, short of a reincarnation of Steve Jobs, is worth this. Android is not that great, and only in the last couple years really hit a usable state.

    6. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Andy Rubin is fucking cancer. There's nothing to appreciate there.

    7. Re:Google's Reliance On One Man by ranton · · Score: 1

      Large corps often underappreciate the significance of 1 person---be it in success or failure

      As you mentioned later, any well run large corporation should have commoditized every employee to a significant extent, including the CEO. No one should ever be irreplaceable at any company larger than a very small business. Even then it should be avoided.

      It's a failure of management any time the loss of an employee significantly damages an enterprise.

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  5. "Inventor"? Android was an invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is a new use of the word. I invented a sandwich this morning. The I will invent a new route to get to work. I work with inventing products but to day it has been invented that we should go to a big meeting instead of working. I might get the opurtunity of inventing a new dish for lunch. We are going to a hamburger place and I will invent a burger with everything on in except mustard!

    1. Re:"Inventor"? Android was an invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Andy Rubin invented Android shortly after he invented Linux, the personal computer and electricity.

    2. Re:"Inventor"? Android was an invention? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Right, because when Edison invented the lightbulb, he first invented glass, evacuated glass bulbs, electricity, wires, insulation, etc.

      All inventions are built from existing parts. Android was not discovered, it was built - and he built the first one, which makes him the inventor. Use the word "creator" if it bothers you so much.

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    3. Re:"Inventor"? Android was an invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But wasn't the personal computer invented by Steve Jobs, just a few years after he invented Internet, mobile phones and touch screens?

  6. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Japanese are crazy about robots and are eager to deploy them in society. SV and everyone else thinks of robotics as part of one of the "hot new things" along with the ML, AI, cloud, mobile, IoT, etc.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The Japanese are crazy about robots

      and that alone should be enough to tell you robots suck. the japs have never done anything innovative EVER. it's just not in their dna. if they think something is cool, that's a solid indicator that it fucking sucks.

    2. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a retard. The Japanese need insane per-worker productivity to keep up with the needs of their aging population. That's why they want all the robots. They're for nursing homes and the like.

  7. Skynet? Did Skynet buy them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On June 9, 2017 Skynet, which only just became self-aware, purchased a robot army.

  8. Who is softbank? by kwerle · · Score: 2

    This is /. I know who Boston Dynamics is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    SoftBank Group Corp. (? Sofutobanku Gurpu Kabushiki-gaisha)[4] is a Japanese multinational telecommunications and Internet corporation established on September 3, 1981, and headquartered in Tokyo, Japan. It has operations in broadband, fixed-line telecommunications, e-commerce, Internet, technology services, finance, media and marketing, semiconductor design, and other businesses.[5] The company is headed by founder Masayoshi Son. ...
    SoftBank bought COMDEX from The Interface Group in 1995 ...
    On January 28, 2008, it was announced that SoftBank and Tiffany & Co. collaborated in making a limited 10 model-only cellphone ...
    On October 15, 2012, SoftBank announced plans to take control of American Sprint Nextel by purchasing a 70% stake for $20 billion ...
    In 2014, SoftBank co-designed Pepper, a humanoid robot, with Aldebaran Robotics. ...

    1. Re:Who is softbank? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Softbank is way way bigger than Boston Dynamics, and is one of the biggest technology companies in the world. I am surprised that you don't know that.

      Factoid: The CEO of Softbank, Masayoshi Son, is ethnically Korean, and unlike many "zainichi" he never tried to hide his Korean ancestry. So Softbank was long excluded from many of the insider cliques and cross-ownership deals, and took on a much more free-wheeling style and international outlook than is common in Japan. This ultimately led to far greater success.

    2. Re:Who is softbank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also bought ARM.

    3. Re:Who is softbank? by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Meh. I don't think I own anything with a softbank label on it. And I don't remember seeing anything advertised by them. It looks like their largest California office is about 400 people. And it looks like a lot of their website content is in Japanese only. I don't see a lot of open source software from them.

      They're just not a company that I'd be all that likely to take notice of. Clearly they're huge, but there are plenty of big companies that don't catch my interest.

  9. junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    modeling robots on nature is a stupid idea. evolutionary is a really shitty way to search for solutions to problems.

  10. So let me get this straight... by Hentai007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A company run by a Japanese billionaire that's obsessed with AI just bought a company that produces "Nightmare Inducing" animal like robots...

    Nope, Don't see how this can possibly go horribly wrong.

    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its fine as long as they build the Zero Dawn project!

    2. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of makes sense. The West is hellbent on .. well making everyone's life hell. The robotics technology may as well be given to people who area allowed to benefit from it .. oh wait. Asia Won.

  11. Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until we have good artificial muscle there is no way walking robots can be deployed at any kind of scale for anything.

    Why aren't there a lot of companies working on hands or small object manipulating devices? I mean a hand is the thing that would be the most useful in factories. Walking robots are not useful in the factory because there are wheel robots or conveyor belts that can accomplish the task.

  12. Still Don't Understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why Google sold it. It's a research company. It's not like it's making money.
    If they wanted to sell it, then someone should explain why Google bought it in the first place.