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CEO of Defunct Silicon Valley Startup Indicted For Allegedly Tricking Employees Into Working For Free (theregister.co.uk)

The founder and CEO of a shuttered Silicon Valley startup has been indicted for tricking employees into working without pay and for lying about his credentials and financing. From a report: In an indictment unsealed this week, Isaac Choi, founder and CEO of failed Silicon Valley job search startup WrkRiot, was charged with five counts of wire fraud for allegedly defrauding former employees. Problems at the upstart surfaced in August when Penny Kim, former head of marketing for the company, published an account of her experience at an unnamed biz. She said the unspecified outfit failed to pay her and forged wire transfer confirmations to make it appear it had transferred owed funds. After it emerged that Kim was talking about WrkRiot, the company threatened legal action. By the end of August, when former CTO Al Brown acknowledged being the person referred to as "Charlie" in Kim's post and corroborated her claims, WrkRiot had shut down its website and Facebook page.

102 comments

  1. Was his name... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tom Sawyer?

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    1. Re:Was his name... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      This is less fun than previously indicated!

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    2. Re: Was his name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been tricked in to working for free. Not just in the sense that money isn't real.

    3. Re:Was his name... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Today's Tom Sawyer.
      Mean, mean pride.

    4. Re:Was his name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he get by on you too? We know you can keep yourself graceful under pressure, so please rush to answer... no reason to wait until 2112.
      Oh you're going to take your time then? Exit stage left!

    5. Re:Was his name... by doom · · Score: 1

      Tom Sawyer?

      Linus Torvalds.

  2. Bad reporting by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate when they do this stuff. Forging a wire transfer is NOT 'tricking you into working for free'. Instead it is tricking people into thinking they were paid. Or more accurately: Wire Fraud against their own employees.

    Tricking someone into working for free would mean the employee had to have done something stupid like accepting a bet on a coin flip that turned out to be a two headed coin.

    What person felt the need to downgrade the horrible crime of wire fraud into merely 'tricking'?

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    1. Re:Bad reporting by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

      If they kept working after seeing the forged wire transfer, then they were also tricked into working for free. It really can be both.

    2. Re:Bad reporting by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Would you be okay with calling it 'deceiving into working for free'?

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    3. Re:Bad reporting by shess · · Score: 2

      If they kept working after seeing the forged wire transfer, then they were also tricked into working for free. It really can be both.

      Eh, once upon a time I had a series of contracts where each one ended with a substantial unpaid amount owed to me. It didn't just start out with non-payment, initially they paid on time, then they got a little behind, then it became a bit to-do to get money out of them because they couldn't meet all their payments. That usually took many months, so, yeah, I could have immediately gotten all huffy and walked, but that would be trading a known work situation with a fuzzy payment situation for an unknown work situation with an unknown payment situation. Would I rather keep working, knowing I'd be paid a couple weeks late, or would I rather not be working at all with no idea when I'd next have an income?

      Actually, faking payment would have been helpful to me. With no payment at all, I just was very careful with my spending. But this case could have left me thinking I had the money, and spending money you don't have causes a lot of problems, so I'd have probably walked earlier. It's also a pretty clear case of lying by commission rather than omission, which is harder to ignore.

    4. Re:Bad reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate when they do this stuff. Forging a wire transfer is NOT 'tricking you into working for free'. Instead it is tricking people into thinking they were paid. Or more accurately: Wire Fraud against their own employees.

      Bad reporting or bad editing? The very first paragraph of the article:

      In an indictment unsealed on Wednesday, Isaac Choi, founder and CEO of failed Silicon Valley job search startup WrkRiot, was charged with five counts of wire fraud for allegedly defrauding former employees.

    5. Re:Bad reporting by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. When you say working for free it means they knew they would not get money, something that implies they are really stupid.

      At the time they were working, they thought they would be paid. They did NOT work for free, they worked for money that was not paid. They were tricked into believing they were paid, they were not tricked into working for free.

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    6. Re:Bad reporting by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I hate when they do this stuff. Forging a wire transfer is NOT 'tricking you into working for free'. Instead it is tricking people into thinking they were paid.

      And since they were not paid for work that they did (presumably because the company told them they would be getting paid), they were tricked into working for free.

    7. Re:Bad reporting by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      If you consider Slashdot to be reporting. TFA does have a much better headline.

    8. Re:Bad reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. When you say working for free it means they knew they would not get money, something that implies they are really stupid.

      At the time they were working, they thought they would be paid. They did NOT work for free, they worked for money that was not paid. They were tricked into believing they were paid, they were not tricked into working for free.

      The end result is that of having worked for free.

    9. Re:Bad reporting by radarskiy · · Score: 3

      gurps_nps is not claiming that the title is false, but rather that it is weakly descriptive of the story.

      If the title were "Isaac Choi is the founder and CEO of WrkRiot" that would also be true, but even less descriptive of what happened.

      At title that states that Choi committed wire fraud on the payroll contains enough information to let the reader know that people didn't get paid, the mechanism by which that happened, that it was a crime, and that the employees have standing to seek civil redress from Choi. Using "tricked" leave the reader wondering if the outcome is "too bad; so sad".

      Words mean things.

    10. Re:Bad reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a semantic which is misleading. Tricked into working for free implies something like unpaid internships, where you knew you were working for free and tricked into thinking that was reasonable. This is straight-up fraud.

      The article title isn't a lie but it's unfortunate phrasing.

    11. Re:Bad reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the alleged wire fraud is probably more news worthy.

    12. Re:Bad reporting by eltwo · · Score: 1

      Well, the headline did trick me into reading the story.

    13. Re:Bad reporting by dkone · · Score: 1

      "What person felt the need to downgrade the horrible crime of wire fraud into merely 'tricking'?"

      Apparently just about any /. editor

    14. Re:Bad reporting by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      True, but this was a startup in question, and they are notoriously bad about paying and there is virtually no chance in hell you will get super rich at a startup (though people are tricked into thinking this). It's also a startup with a stupid concept, which does virtually the same thing as 20 other startups with the same stupid concept. If you're not being paid then you lose *nothing* by leaving.

    15. Re:Bad reporting by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Tricked into working for free, or working for substantially less than market rates, is standard startup behavior. Convince the mark that lots of money is coming later, that the options are at least the equivalent of cash, tell them that it's standard practice to work 80 hours a week for low pay.

    16. Re:Bad reporting by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      No, they worked without being paid. Not the same thing. Just like stealing is not the same thing as getting something for free.

      The Tom Sawyer story is about tricking his friends into working for free. If he had lied and said there was a lot of apple pie coming later and that turned out to be false, then that would make a completely different story and turns Tom from a clever boy into a rotten brat.

    17. Re:Bad reporting by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      True, "Tricked into working for free" sounds like an unusual case, worth a brief read. "Company commits fraud against its workers" is a more straight forward crime story, and boring because it happens too often.

    18. Re: Bad reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way he's a rotten brat.

    19. Re:Bad reporting by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      What person felt the need to downgrade the horrible crime of wire fraud into merely 'tricking'?

      Someone who is contemplating taking a leap into the pharma business after failing in Silicon Valley.

  3. silly valley by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    disrupting "work" and "compensation"!

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  4. Invitation to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    open a start-up in tim cocks stupid ass, then wire transfer billions of defrauded offshore funds back to pay salaries to homeless engineers

  5. Why is he being persecuted? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0, Troll

    Come on. It is a free society with full freedom of expression. Lying is his fundamental right, and he exercised it. If his employees were foolish enough to believe his lies, it is their fault right? Why should he be indicted? You don't see Trump supporters suing Trump for lying. What's good enough for Trumpsters is good enough for techies.

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    1. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      Come on. It is a free society with full freedom of expression. Lying is his fundamental right, and he exercised it. If his employees were foolish enough to believe his lies, it is their fault right? Why should he be indicted? You don't see Trump supporters suing Trump for lying. What's good enough for Trumpsters is good enough for techies.

      I know very few people on ./ RTFA, but you should at least read the summary. The company forged confirmation of wire transfers that never occurred. It was not a case of the company convincing people to work for free (a la Tom Sawyer).

    2. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lying to employee's about their pay, and cheating them is illegal. Sorry, the asshole should be hanged for screwing hopeful workers over. Short of hanging, which is unlikely, he should get time in maximum security with the rest of the scum.

    3. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't see Trump supporters suing Trump for lying.

      Oh please. His own deputy press secretary told us just yesterday that she can definitively say the president is not a liar. So no lawsuit.

    4. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he should get time in maximum security with the rest of the scum.

      Nonsense. Prisons, and especially max-sec prisons, should only be used for violent people that need to be physically separated from civilized society. For everyone else there are more appropriate and constructive alternatives. For instance, this guy could have all his assets seized, and spend 40 hours per week for the next 10 years changing bed pans in a nursing home. That way he will be contributing to society instead of being a burden, and his kids won't grow up in a broken home.

    5. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with everything you said but would add: Garnish all future wages of his until his payments to the employees are fully paid back with interest. He can keep minimum wage to live off of, but anything more than that goes to a fund that pays back the employees.

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    6. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's cute that you think stealing another's labor is civilized.

    7. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure who you're talking about, the scumbag CEO or ShanghaiBill's purported State solution for the problem.

    8. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's a free market issue, the government should keep out of organized crime syndicates as it's bad for these small business owners.

    9. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I don't want scum like that changing my bedpans or corrupting my shit with his presence.

    10. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well it does fall under the definition of standard business practices.

    11. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Did she pinky swear?

    12. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      So...Trump ignoring his contractual obligations to pay people and then suing them into submission if they argued, after the work was completed, is not the same as this lowlife scum? As a businessman who has been on people trying to skip out on payments and having been on the losing end of a "bankruptcy of convenience" I say bullshit. Lock. Them. Up.

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    13. Re:Why is he being persecuted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cute you think that fraud and theft are the same crime.

  6. American Bedtime Story by Neuronwelder · · Score: 0

    Once upon a time we had honest companies and corporations.. The end. - No,. I really mean it!.. The end!! That's the whole story!

    1. Re:American Bedtime Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What time was that?

    2. Re:American Bedtime Story by rfengr · · Score: 1

      Possibly between the current age, and the age of the robber barons, but that's debatable.

    3. Re:American Bedtime Story by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Possibly between the current age, and the age of the robber barons, but that's debatable.

      No, that is not debatable. That was a time when corporations dumped methylmercury into drinking water supplies, used coerced convict labor, and helped run the death camps of the Holocaust. The is no evidence, none whatsoever, that there was ever a "golden age" of corporate ethics and honesty. If anything, companies are most honest and ethical today, simply because it is harder to hide misdeeds, and the consequences of getting caught are more severe.

    4. Re:American Bedtime Story by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, that's a fantasy story. Corporations have always tried to abuse workers to benefit the company/management/executives. That's why unions were born. You might disagree with them today, but their origins were in abused employees who had no leverage against the companies running their lives in and out of work and government that always sided with the companies.

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    5. Re:American Bedtime Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a time when corporations dumped methylmercury into drinking water supplies, used coerced convict labor, and helped run the death camps of the Holocaust.

      Cite your source...

    6. Re:American Bedtime Story by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      What you are saying is right. But President Reagan had put a big start in disassembling Unions. We are down to lest than 10% and a lot of blood was shed to make these unions. The Haymarket Riot used bombs and that gave them a reason to strike back. http://www.history.com/topics/...

  7. Well wait a minute by computational+super · · Score: 1

    I dare you to find a CEO who DOESN'T trick (or just demand) his employees to work for free in the form of unpaid overtime.

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    1. Re:Well wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My boss doesnt?
      It's not normal but it's probably a nice thing for a CEO to build a culture where it seems normal.

    2. Re:Well wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you noticed, the indictment is only for creating fake wire transfers. If the CEO simply not paid them, it wouldn't have been a crime. Bringing in H1Bs from China to pimp out but not pay them is also legal now. But if you dare mess with the banking system there will be hell to pay.

    3. Re:Well wait a minute by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      There's some truth to that, but being on a salary is very different from fabricating fraudulent payment documents.

    4. Re:Well wait a minute by Coisiche · · Score: 1

      Why did you qualify that with a question mark. Without that, it's a statement that your boss does not trick you into unpaid overtime. The addition of the question mark means that it is not a statement. Which suggests to me that you're not sure if your boss tricks you into unpaid overtime or not.

  8. Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    The moment it looks like my paycheck won't come through I'll start looking for a new job in a heartbeat. Most of the time it's either someone screwing up payroll in HR or the HR vendor having an electronic glitch. Incidents like that are usually resolved in 24 hours. One time I had a check sent via FedEx. I don't work for free.

    1. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post is even more stupid than creimer's. You wasted 2x as many keystrokes too. "Wait, someone's wrong on the interwebs!"

    2. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do work for cheap though. Visa workers cost more than 50k a year on the west coast.

    3. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      8) Content creation and the DMCA

      I didn't start that one but I did finish it.

      Seriously, just stop fucking posting. Nobody cares about your anecdotes.

      You do.

    4. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You do work for cheap though. Visa workers cost more than 50k a year on the west coast.

      Visa workers don't do short-term IT contracts that last from four hours to one year.

    5. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Visa workers don't do short-term IT contracts that last from four hours to one year.

      So you make less than a Visa worker on a "longer-term" contract. And you're on a 5-year contract. You've just admitted you're less valuable than an H1B helpdesk drone.

      Even if your contract was shorter, you'd be able to command a higher annualized pay rate because short-term contracts are unpredictable and unstable, and you'll be searching for new gigs more frequently.

      No matter how you slice it, you're getting paid worse than a disposable helpdesk monkey, and you seem to think that's a badge of honor.

    6. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      No matter how you slice it, you're getting paid worse than a disposable helpdesk monkey, and you seem to think that's a badge of honor.

      That's funny. I created a ticket for a disposable helpdesk monkey to go update a handful of system yesterday. This morning I double checked the work, found one system without the patch, and sent the disposable helpdesk monkey out again. If I'm making less money than disposable helpdesk monkey, why is the disposable helpdesk monkey dancing to my music box?

    7. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      He rode to school on the short bus. Give the dude a little credit. Even though he claims to not be a genuine 'tard, reading his posts, he clearly has some challenges.

      There are people for who paying their own way through life is a major accomplishment. My first job was in a restaurant kitchen with a seriously retarded guy. He never complained and worked hard.

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    8. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Narcissistic personality disorder.

      "Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

      Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
      Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
      Exaggerating your achievements and talents

      You sir, need help. Your childhood must have been terrible.

    9. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Narcissistic personality disorder.

      You're confusing me with Trump.

      Your childhood must have been terrible.

      You think?

    10. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't start that one but I did finish it.

      Ooooh, look, a tough guy. How much time did you spend sending DMCA notices to protect your $27 a month revenue stream?

      What'd that reduce your effective hourly rate to?

      Yeah, totally worth it, champ.

    11. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, totally worth it, champ.

      All six user accounts.

    12. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny. I created a ticket for a disposable helpdesk monkey to go update a handful of system yesterday.

      And by your own admission, he's paid more than you.

      This morning I double checked the work, found one system without the patch, and sent the disposable helpdesk monkey out again.

      And by your own admission, he's still making more than you.

      If I'm making less money than disposable helpdesk monkey, why is the disposable helpdesk monkey dancing to my music box?

      Because you're a dispatcher. Let me guess, you think 911 dispatchers make more money than police officers, too?

      I make more money than the project managers at my company, but they still direct & coordinate some of my activities. Why is this surprising? They hire those project managers to manage the low-technical-skill coordination for me while I focus on maximizing the use of my high-value skillset.

      Same reason why a company hires executive assistants to manage the calendars and errands for their C-level executives.

    13. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And by your own admission, he's paid more than you.

      Nope.

      And by your own admission, he's still making more than you.

      Nope.

      Because you're a dispatcher.

      I was a dispatcher ten years ago when I worked at Google. I'm not talking about then. I'm talking about today.

    14. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All six user accounts.

      What'd that reduce your effective hourly rate to, again?

    15. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What'd that reduce your effective hourly rate to, again?

      You're asking for the wrong metric.

      How many user accounts got deleted for wasting everyone's time for the last two weeks?

      Five (correction to my previous comment): cdreimer, criemer, creinner, cremier and fakefuck39.

    16. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously neglectful parenting, probably even abusive. You once made a comment about everyone else's parent's doing drugs.

      You were never loved as a child, probably unwanted, and told so every day.

      You are to be pitied.

      The way you are today is a defense reaction to your childhood. And everyone can see it.

    17. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You once made a comment about everyone else's parent's doing drugs.

      Coffee, cigarettes, and premarital/extramarital sex. All very, very bad. What you expect from the 1970's?

      The way you are today is a defense reaction to your childhood. And everyone can see it.

      ROFL

    18. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a Mormon? Or some other kind of religious demented fanatic?

      "ROFL"

      Lots of people laugh when baffled. And you, friend, can baffle for your country.

    19. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      None. Because
      1) You don't know what everyone does with their time.
      2) It was very funny.

      FakeFuck39 confessed to being behind criemer, creinner and cremier, which was instrumental in getting the account deleted (note the placeholder name for the username). An AC in the same thread confessed to being cdreimer.

      https://slashdot.org/~cdreimer
      https://slashdot.org/~criemer
      https://slashdot.org/~creinner
      https://slashdot.org/~cremier
      https://slashdot.org/~fakefuck...

    20. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Are you a Mormon? Or some other kind of religious demented fanatic?

      My family were good examples at being bad examples in life. Becoming a Christian in college and moving out of the house was my escape.

    21. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Childhood trauma. Religious escape. Explains a lot. But keeping celibate surely has nothing to do with Jesus, but more what you look like?

    22. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But keeping celibate surely has nothing to do with Jesus, but more what you look like?

      Being celibate is a deliberate decision on how you live your life. It doesn't happen by default.

    23. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Your own comment above:

      Someone wrote:

      You do work for cheap though. Visa workers cost more than 50k a year on the west coast.

      You replied:

      Visa workers don't do short-term IT contracts that last from four hours to one year.

      As if being willing to do "short-term" contracts was important, when you're in the midst of what you claim is a 5-year contract. You never contradicted the assertion that visa workers cost more than 50k, and you've trumpeted loudly here that you make 50k. So you are paid, by your own admission, less than a visa worker.

      Which means that you are a dispatcher, telling the better-paid helpdesk monkeys what poop to go sweep up, all the while thinking you're some kind of big shot because they do the tasks you assign out to them. You're a joke.

    24. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] much less spend hours frantically pestering website operators for NO pay, in the vain hopes that they'll assist me in protecting my "copyrights."

      I've spent 30 minutes on the DMCA takedown notices. More than half of the picture have been taken down. The others will follow shortly.

    25. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could you know what happens "by default" when you've never had sex?

      Pretending you deliberately "chose" to be celibate is the joke here.

      You don't have what it takes to even get a lunch date from a woman. You don't have the looks, you don't have the personality, you don't have the experience.

      PS: For a guy boasting about how the "girls" call you "Heavy Creamer" due to your abundance of cum (at 47 and obese! RIGHT!!), now you're deliberately celibate?

      You toenail fungus. You woodlouse.

    26. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      How could you know what happens "by default" when you've never had sex?

      I had a pair of parakeets when I was a teenager. One day my aunt came into my room, saw the birds on the curtain rod and asked me what they were doing. I took a look over my shoulder and said, "They're screwing around."

    27. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in emotional distress. Please seek help. Your mental state can have terrible physical consequences.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11792230

    28. Re:Screwing with my paycheck is a very bad idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So my creimer action figure with opposable thumbs and fully articulated neck rolls won't fly, huh? Even if it comes with DMCA Action Pack and a 800GB RAID6 disk array and a Bible?

  9. Wire fraud. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    The crime he committed was wire fraud against his employees. I believe that we're all hoping they give this Isaac Choi fellow each and every moment he's earned in prison.

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  10. How can someone be tricked into working for free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose you could be tricked into working for free for about a month, assuming you get paid monthly (which I'd never do at a startup, two weeks max). As soon as payday comes and the money is not in your account, I'd be staying at home and sending out resumes until I get paid or find another job (probably the latter regardless).

  11. It's only an indictment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me know when he's convicted and sent to the pokey. And has to pay the employees he defrauded.

  12. Startup reality distortion bubble by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Toward the end of the last dotcom bubble, you'd see stories similar to this, where the founder was able to keep their employees working even after the money was gone. I would imagine this happens a lot during the death stage in lots of small businesses. From what I've seen, the difference between tech startups and your average small businesses is that some of the employees become brainwashed to some extent. They've been putting in 100 hour weeks for so long that nothing will convince them that it's time to get out.

    I think part of the problem with startups is that the founders are these "serial entrepreneur" types who (a) have difficulty dealing with actual employees, and (b) have a huge personal financial cushion to fall back on and therefore have no idea how bad not getting a paycheck can be for "normal" people. Larger companies may move slowly and have dumb rules and a bureaucracy, but most large companies don't make it a regular habit of shorting employees' wages. Startup founders are a lot more likely to say "Oh well, I guess it's time to close up...time to chase that "Uber for nurses" opportunity!" and forget about who they're leaving behind.

    1. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I would imagine this happens a lot during the death stage in lots of small businesses. From what I've seen, the difference between tech startups and your average small businesses is that some of the employees become brainwashed to some extent. They've been putting in 100 hour weeks for so long that nothing will convince them that it's time to get out.

      I think part of it is simply that they are used to it. My wife used to work for a small business that did payroll processing for other small businesses. Very often those business would barely have enough money in their accounts to cover the payroll each week (if at all). Since small businesses are very susceptible to fluctuations in revenue, being short on a check could be a somewhat common occurrence. And when the job market is bad enough a job that sometimes pays late is still better than no job at all.

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    2. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Okay, but did they just convince the employees to continue without pay for a while, or did they lie about the payments? The twist in this case is that the company faked a payment or payments. That's pretty scummy.

    3. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But did those small businesses usually forge documents so their employees would think the money had, in fact, been paid out?

    4. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If your employer can't make payroll, even one day late, and you are not actively looking, you are a fool.

      I took work (and company assets) home, the only time this ever happened to me. That company eventually paid and never even knew the assets had left the building (as I brought them back after I got paid).

      On the flip side, I knew a mechanic who was unfortunate enough to be on his day off when the IRS showed up and locked down his employer's facility. He was eventually charged with 'grand theft' for using his keys to enter and retrieve his own toolbox full of tools. Didn't even break the cop seal, but they claimed he saw it on the front door. Eventually walked, but the shyster bills were brutal.

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    5. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by fropenn · · Score: 2

      It's like throwing good money after bad. I'm sure often the employees realize the company is in trouble, but...but...but...if the big break happens then everyone who is there will be rich (at least that's the thinking). So maybe I put in a few more weeks, you know, just in case this company hits the start-up lottery. Because I don't want to be that guy who quit the next Facebook at just the wrong time.

      CEO's will often use this strategy to manipulate people and then when things do go belly up, it's the employees are who are left with nothing.

    6. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      God damn, I've seen that.

      A friend of mine was the only person to make a _penny_ on 'Health Hero Network' stock. Because I talked him into unloading his options at the end of one of his 'that stupid frog is so fucking clueless' rants about his boss.

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    7. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It's absolutely true, and everybody knows somebody who jumped ship right before things really took off. It's one thing to prattle on about sunk costs and level headed moves, but when you're in a situation where laving your job today guarantees no paycheck next week, and staying offers a glimmer of hope of not only next week's paycheck but the paychecks owed from last month it's (psychologically) hard to cut that life line. Doubly so if you actually believe in the company and what they are doing.

      CEOs prey on this mentality, because they know it works. Most top execs are far better at psychology than they are at the technical bits.

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    8. Re:Startup reality distortion bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Very often those business would barely have enough money in their accounts to cover the payroll each week (if at all)

      its called underfunding your payrolls account. and guess what, its because your money is better tied up in a money market, than parking it in some ghetto account.

  13. On the virtues of ignoring ACs by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    I disagree with you more often than not. I probably don't like you much either. However, I have noticed a lot of people trolling you, and you have generally responded in more or less civil terms. I'm not sure I would respond as well in the same circumstances. Do keep ignoring any AC suggestions to stop posting, you're okay in my book.

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