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New Malware Downloader Can Infect PCs Without A Mouse Click (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Engadget: You think you're safe from malware since you never click suspicious-looking links, then somebody finds a way to infect your PC anyway. Security researchers have discovered that cybercriminals have recently started using a malware downloader that installs a banking Trojan to your computer even if you don't click anything. All it takes to trigger the download is to hover your mouse pointer over a hyperlink in a carrier PowerPoint file. According to researchers from Trend Micro and Dodge This Security the technique was used by a recent spam email campaign targeting companies and organizations in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. The emails' subjects were mostly finance-related, such as "Invoice" and "Order #," with an attached PowerPoint presentation. The PowerPoint file has a single hyperlink in the center that says "Loading... please wait" that has an embedded malicious PowerShell script. When you hover your mouse pointer over the link, it executes the script.
Trend Micro writes that "while the numbers aren't impressive, it can also be construed as a dry run for future campaigns, given the technique's seeming novelty," adding "It wouldn't be far-fetched for other malware like ransomware to follow suit."

151 comments

  1. No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, I receive a suspicious email, which I need to click on to open. That email contains a PowerPoint attachment, which I need to click on to open. Once done, I can be infected with a mouse-over rather than a click.

    Zero-click malware. Meh.

    1. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      How many clicks does it take for those of use who do not own or use PowerPoint either personally or professionally?

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    2. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the clickiest of all clickbait articles will be clicked on by the clickers who will click click.

      Clicks!

    3. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, you have to click Enable on a security dialog that is warning about the command execution.

  2. Without a mouse click by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you have to click on that PowerPoint file.

  3. "Infects without clicking"? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The PowerPoint file has a single hyperlink in the center that says "Loading... please wait" that has an embedded malicious PowerShell script.

    Sooo...the file opens itself without clicking, too? Or how exactly does that work?

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    1. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sooo...the file opens itself without clicking, too? Or how exactly does that work?

      Slashdot is run by morons who specialize in click-bait headlines. That's how it works.

    2. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the web browser tries to create a thumbnail image of the slides. This requires execution of the powerpoint rendering engine and powershell.

    3. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      But can they make click-bait headlines that work without clicking? That is the real question.

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    4. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opens itself AND clicks the "I trust you" button to enable macros and scripts! ROFLMAO.

    5. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      or...... not, because no browser does that. Not even IE.

    6. Re: "Infects without clicking"? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nobody clicks to RTFA, not even the editors, so I suppose the answer is, "probably."

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    7. Re:"Infects without clicking"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooo...click on everything.?

  4. without a click by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you first have to download and run the infected ppt file...

    1. Re:without a click by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      For your convenience, that file will be mailed to you.

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  5. Easy fix.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .... don't use Microsoft crap... ever. Really. And if you have to at work, so be it, but don't use it on your home devices.

    1. Re:Easy fix.... by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Your job is in the accounting department. It's your job to open invoices and pay them. What would be suspicious about an invoice coming to accounting?

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    2. Re: Easy fix.... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That it is a PowerPoint file and requests that you trust it.

      I am not omnipresent, but I've never seen an invoice in PPT. That alone would probably make me think twice, and exercise some caution. Well, no... I probably wouldn't much care, but that's because I don't use Windows. If I did, I'd probably be pretty cautious and may just delete the email without opening the attachment and would then email the sender asking them to submit their invoice in something more sane than a PowerPoint document.

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    3. Re: Easy fix.... by mspohr · · Score: 2

      In the real world, people do all kind of "inappropriate" things such as send invoices as ppt, xls, doc and docx, spreadsheets as pdf, ppt, etc.
      In the real world, people are busy just trying to get their work done and dealing with clowns doing the wrong thing is just a speed bump.

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    4. Re: Easy fix.... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      As stated, I'd probably just delete it and send an email to the sender, asking them to submit their invoice again and asking that they do so in a sane format. If nothing else, in this case, it'd probably confirm that the person claimed to be the sender has no idea what the missive is actually about.

      However, I'd not be even a little surprised to find out that someone has, for whatever reason, composed their invoice in PPT. And yes, yes I am near certain that I'd delete it and request a saner format. I am tempted to try to reason out why someone would opt to use PPT for that, but I am not sure I can. Plain text works, even.

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    5. Re:Easy fix.... by Creepy · · Score: 1

      That would be nice... but the VPN software I use to access work from home is only free to me for Windows :\

      They actually have mac and Linux clients, but I have to pay $300+ for them (I know some Linux and mac diehards that did). Screw that, I can run Windows in a VM for far cheaper.

  6. User Friendly Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an example of the many "user friendly" features put into software that end up being an easy vector for malice.

    1. Re:User Friendly Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed - there's a lot to that.

      Purely Linux user here, but I think people who believe Linux is intrinsically invulnerable to this stuff are fooling themselves. If "the teeming masses" were to move to Linux, there would be HUGE pressure to have everything happen automatically, without any user knowledge or input, and it would lead to the same kinds of problems. Linux largely escapes because it has a technical user base. It's (mostly) the culture, not the tech.

       

    2. Re: User Friendly Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux isn't intrinsically invulnerable, nor is any OS, but if you're going to code malware your probably going to target the widest, most vulnerable audience possible which remains Windows users.

    3. Re: User Friendly Features by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Linux is, by default, more secure than the Windows OS used to be. Microsoft has come a long ways, with regards to security. Linux uses permissions, meaning that things like applications don't get installed without some effort on the part of the user. A user account is also limited in accessing files that it doesn't have ownership of. Things like system files can not, easily, be modified by the user - unless the user makes a specific effort to do so. Windows didn't even have permissions, for quite some time.

      As always, the biggest security flaw is the operator. Microsoft has done a great deal to lock things down, but it still has to remain simple and familiar, while retaining backwards compatibility. They put things like warnings up, make the user confirm their choices, and even have a working permissions system. Well, that's what the various articles say, I haven't actually used a Windows PC since Vista. I am trusting they are honest. Either way, the user is probably just gonna click OKAY until they get the desired result.

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  7. Powerpoint by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    Who would have guessed? PowerPoint files don't open without clicking.

    1. Re:Powerpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about via office-related browser plugins that allow embedded powerpoint files to be displayed? Does it still work there?

    2. Re:Powerpoint by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Now I want to test it in preview through Outlook.

  8. This just in... by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Opening suspicious files is still dangerous.
    Who woulda thought?

    As others have pointed out, this "no click" malware requires you to download and open a malicious powerpoint file, and then hover over the link contained in the file before it can infect you.
    If anything, this seems far LESS of a risk than many other attack vectors that also require opening malicious file attachments in email. (usually opening the installer itself instead of a powerpoint file)

    That said, WTF powerpoint? who makes a mouseover capable of downloading and installing something? c'mon guys, how stupid do you have to be to allow this sort of behaviour in your file format?

    1. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not. You have to enable it. Like a web browser confirmation. The mouseover script will not run unless macros and scripts are first enabled, with the same "clickless" technique that opened the file, I guess. It's a nonsense story. Nothing to see.

    2. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That said, WTF powerpoint? who makes a mouseover capable of downloading and installing something? c'mon guys, how stupid do you have to be to allow this sort of behaviour in your file format?

      Worked for web browsers for decades. Not difficult to capture onHover events with Javascript.

    3. Re:This just in... by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is the company which is stupid enough to allow a mouseover to download and install software.
      You don't have to ask how stupid Microsoft is.

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    4. Re:This just in... by green1 · · Score: 1

      Allowing an event to be captured, and allowing it to download and install software are two very different things.

    5. Re: This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly Microsoft thought it was a good way to get people to install their software. It makes sense, with those people smart enough to hesitate before installing Microsoft products.

    6. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Opening suspicious files is still dangerous."

      Only on Windows. This has been an issue since Windows for workgroups.

    7. Re:This just in... by StormReaver · · Score: 2

      ...how stupid do you have to be to allow this sort of behaviour in your file format?

      Who's stupider: the company that continuously and intentionally programs severe defects into its products, or the people who continuously and intentionally lock themselves into those products despite knowing this?

    8. Re:This just in... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Opening suspicious files is still dangerous.
      Who woulda thought?

      Everybody on /. knows that. Each single person on /. is aware of that. However not everybody is on /. There are plenty of users out there that have no idea how things work. They know that suspicious files are dangerous. Yet they are unable to determine how dangerous the things are compared to the dangers of not paying bills and getting fired because of that or be in debt.

      People are pretty bad at evaluating dangers. Just look at how politics talk about terrorism and how people react to that.
      Please stop blaming the victims.

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    9. Re:This just in... by green1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not defending the users either, but I don't see it changing as long as software companies are not held responsible for their actions.

    10. Re:This just in... by green1 · · Score: 1

      Everybody on /. knows that. Each single person on /. is aware of that. However not everybody is on /.

      And yet the article is on Slashdot, so it seems unlikely that it being here will have much effect on those who are not.

      Also, had you actually read my comment, you'd notice that I'm not blaming the victims, I'm blaming Microsoft for making such an idiotic decision, while at the same time stating that this particular issue is no worse (and probably much less dangerous) than the normal attack vector of simply sending the victim an installer file in the first place. After all, if they're going to click on a suspicious file, why make them also enable macros, and hover over a link when it's easier to just do it all from that first click.

  9. Friends don't let friends... by RyanFenton · · Score: 2

    Friends don't let friends install Microsoft Office.

    Seriously - once you've got someone to open anything in MS Office, the scripting allowed in those formats means that few vulnerabilities are a very large surprise. That, and if you've ever had to work for a client that demands a large degree of Office interop or automation, you become acutely aware of how messy those formats have become over the years.

    Don't get me wrong, in 'friendly' settings, it's got a nice set of features, and there's a reason that many folks allow their careers to be tied into it - but it's not a tool you want anything internet-related to connect to in any way, if you can help it. You're potentially handing over the keys to your computer when you open any of those formats from a potentially unfriendly source.

    At least lock it behind a virtual system if you're going to open anything from the random internet.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Friends don't let friends... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Friends don't let friends install Microsoft Office....

      Back in the beginnings of Windows, I was always of the opinion that Microsoft was more interested in features and less interested in security. iow, new features = worth the investment, new security = not worth the investment. I would have thought that Microsoft would at least know better by now. But it still appears they do not.

    2. Re:Friends don't let friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Friends don't let friends install Microsoft Office.

      openoffice supports embedded scripts as well. just uses a different language than microsoft office.

      the ONLY thing keeping it (and the cloned fork libreoffice) "safe" from the SAME THING is obscurity: too small of a user base to be worth the effort.

      so.. you wanna try that response again? getting normal users to install and use an "office" program inside a vm is too much.

      the problem is not the user, it is the developers; particularly microsoft..

      who has a decades-old track record of poor security and poor response times to issues,
      who actively works with the feds to leave holes so they can punch through,
      who sits on reported (and reported but not disclosed) bugs for months or years without addressing,
      who forces obsolescence of versions in the name of greater profits,
      who doesn't really give a shit so long as people keep buying (and they still are),
      who puts more time into spying on their users than into quality control,
      who does not properly and sufficiently identify and describe updates and security issues,
      who forces bullshit updates onto users who get pissed off enough to disable updates,

      i could go on... but you get the gist. the problem is microsoft fucking us over.

    3. Re:Friends don't let friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is targeted at office environment not at home environment. Microsoft Office is a standard thing in any office environment.
      I would install ad blocker in the browser and prevent from downloading any power shell scripts by extension or keywords. Basically it is a trade-off between security and convenience and sadly security always looses.

    4. Re:Friends don't let friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and there's a reason that many folks allow their careers to be tied into it

      Yep, I've got half a million in the bank thanks to VBA. It's good to know there will always be opportunities for us shitty programmers.

    5. Re:Friends don't let friends... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Friends don't let friends install Microsoft Office.

      No one installs office. They buy computers with it pre-installed or get given them through work.

  10. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, the two biggest problems are ignored.

    Problem 1 - User stupidity. You get an e-mail with a "finance-related" subject, such as 'Invoice' or 'Order #'. But there's a Powerpoint file attached. Since when are legitimate invoices sent as Powerpoint files?

    Problem 2 - Microsoft stupidity. The ability of Powerpoint to run an external executable file (in this case powershell) is a HUGE design flaw that has become a major source of malware distribution.

  11. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    Back in the day (yesterday?) just opening a word or excel document could infect you.. This "novel" approach is really taking a step backwards for malware.

  12. Microsoft employees are druggies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've had to be under the influence of something pretty mind altering, Its obvious, just take a look at the abortion known as Outlook.

    1. Re:Microsoft employees are druggies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just investors in AntiVirus products.

  13. End user training. by DrYak · · Score: 1

    So, I receive a suspicious email, which I need to click on to open.

    And before that, you need to click on your browser or e-mail client.
    And before that, you need to click to log into the computer.
    And before that, you need to push the physical power button.

    Zero-click malware. Meh.

    Except that random joe 6 pack user...
    ...does click on any e-mail, because that's what they are used to.
    ...also recognizes PowerPoint file as one of the few "safe" attachment that they can open.

    In other words: all the clicks that a normal user will accomplish in this infection are normal regular action that they do on an everyday basis. The users would be click all things you mention anyway.

    The thing that actually starts the infection is the "zero-click" part. The unusual action that would be happening on any other day is triggered by a mouse-over instead of a click. That's the peculiarity.

    You can train (more or less) the users "Do not click on weird documents/attachments"
    It's more difficult in this case because opening a power-point is something that they are expected to do as part of their normal work.

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    1. Re:End user training. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Who thinks macro-capable Office files are "safe"?

    2. Re:End user training. by fyzikapan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Every office worker? This is particularly nasty. You need one person to fall for it and stick the file on a SharePoint site or wherever. The rest is easy - people are conditioned to having to click the trust document button (or whatever it's called) every single time they open up an Office file. It's just a routine step in opening a file.

    3. Re:End user training. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how is this new. I.e. NEWSworthy?

      "Invoice" trojans are hardly anything that has never been seen before. From "invoice.exe.pdf" to macro virus in Word and Excel files. The new part is, essentially, that you now ALSO have to hover over a link.

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    4. Re:End user training. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of what you said makes it zero click. Try again.

    5. Re:End user training. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...also recognizes PowerPoint file as one of the few "safe" attachment that they can open.

      Then he shouldn't be allowed to use a computer. Microsoft Office files have been considered unsafe ever since circa 1995, when Microsoft invented the document format designed to contain virus.

      Even Windows knows that, and warns the user when trying to open an Office file from any network source - even including networks drives, if you're not using a domain controller.

    6. Re:End user training. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      invoice.exe.pdf

      A PDF pretending to be an EXE file, ready to bog down your computer by starting Adobe Reader when you thought you were simply launching a regular light-weight virus...

    7. Re:End user training. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let me see how coherent you are before you had your first coffee... but you're right, of course.

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    8. Re:End user training. by nasch · · Score: 1

      By that standard, all malware is zero click.

  14. So this only affects Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do us a disservice when telling us about malware without mentioning the affected OS. I am assuming by your use of the word PowerPoint that this only affects Windows.

    Seriously, you have to open the file AND hover over the link? Isn't this a step backward from the previous method of infection which is simply to open the file?

    1. Re:So this only affects Windows? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Seriously, you have to open the file AND hover over the link?

      No
      You have to open the file, hover over the link AND click the appropriate button on the Protected View security prompt.

      I guess you could avoid the click by tabbing off the "Disable" button then using space or enter. Of if you have a touch screen you could tap one of the enable buttons.

  15. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good point. This isn't nearly as bad as the old Outlook exploit where you didn't even have to open the email for Microsoft to decide to run code in it. We kept getting hit with that since it happened July 4th week, and a lot of people were out of the office with their laptops. We finally ended-up just blocking access from Outlook and requiring people to use OWA (web page).

  16. Small wonder by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I don't have a mouse I have a track-pad on one machine and one with a clitoris stick.

  17. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1... 2... 3. It takes three clicks to get to the center of a PowerPoint.

  18. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The week that happened was hell for us. We shutdown Exchange then for weeks afterwards we had infections still sporadically happening as people opened Outlook on machines they didn't use often. We lost about a 1/4 of our customers because email was down and our phone lines slammed.

  19. It's a good day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a good day to own a Mac!

    1. Re:It's a good day by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Does it work with PowerPoint for Mac, available from the App Store?

    2. Re:It's a good day by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      I would imagine you could do the same with a Bash script instead of PowerShell, but no, this implementation uses PowerShell, which is a Windows thing.

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  20. Windoze duh by fnj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smells like Windoze crap to me. Linux and BSD are the fixes for this.

    1. Re:Windoze duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish people would stop posting that. There is nothing technical about Linux to prevent exactly the same thing from happening. The reason it isn't happen as much on Linux are because Linux users are usually more technically proficient, haven't demanded "auto-run" features all over the place, and don't fall for fishing attacks nearly as often.

      If Linux saw the infusion of technical illiteracy that Windows has had, all these things would be happening to Linux too, because the market would demand endless simplification in the name of "ease of use". If pointy-haired bosses and Aunt Elma were the major market forces shaping Linux, it would have the very same kinds of problems.

      TLDR; it's not Linux, it's the user community OF Linux.

    2. Re:Windoze duh by mspohr · · Score: 0

      "... nothing technical about Linux to prevent exactly the same thing from happening."
      Except that Linux has a robust security framework which will prevent it from installing random stuff in an email attachment whereas Windows is just crap.

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    3. Re:Windoze duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      prevent it from installing random stuff in an email attachment

      Again... there is nothing prevent that. It's only because the user community has not demanded such "automatic" features that they aren't there. I could spend 5 minutes and prototype auto-running attachments on my Linux box right now.

      It's a cultural difference. Linux users are more likely to be educated enough not to do those things. It's a case of herd immunity, and if that is lost through an influx of technical illiterates, so too will be the security you think is somehow intrinsic.

    4. Re:Windoze duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "haven't demanded auto-run"

      Microsoft did not implement this out of demand. The implemented it because it was easy, and they did not consider the security implications.

      Such auto-run functionality is not implemented on Linux, because of the security implications (most likely people have asked for it).

    5. Re:Windoze duh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      BSD is malware. I installed it once and all my games stopped working. Like completely stopped! I couldn't even double click the exe. No crash, nothing. They just wouldn't even launch.

      Never again!

    6. Re: Windoze duh by mspohr · · Score: 1

      You'd never get past the permission which would prevent this stupidity.

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  21. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    So, compared to the Word-Macro trojans, where it's enough to just open a file, you now have to hover the mouse over a link after opening it for infections to happen?

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  22. Wrong by shellster_dude · · Score: 2

    Even after you open the Powerpoint and hover over the link, you will still be prompted with a scary prompt to Allow the WSF or JS(E) or VB(E) or ..., so you still have to click at least once.

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll probably get a prompt before that too via a bar at the top of the window prompting you to take the emailed/downloaded file out of its "safe mode" - I don't remember exactly what that's called.

      Anyone who jumps through all those hoops is asking for it.

  23. sounds like not all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    PC's, just windows ones. Yawn, who cares.

  24. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Problem 1 - User stupidity" And you have just provided a real world example of Problem #1 with your assertion in Problem #2.
    Being able to execute power shell scripts from within Powerpoint provides functionality that a lot of people use for a lot of different reasons. That functionality is not a design defect. If it is a design defect than every single application object capable of invoking external scripts and executables are also design defects.

    And I am continually amazed with statements such as "Microsoft stupidity". If MS is as stupid and as bad as the OS and App evangelicals claim how do you explain their dominance, success, and profitability? If their product line has been so obviously bad how did they achieve their success? Remember this is a corporation that was started relatively recently to supplant corporations such as IBM, Sun, and Xerox? And all of MS's earlier competition in the application space gladly sold their technologies for the obscene amounts of money MS offered. MS didn't steal technology from it's competitors they purchased the technology and absorbed any useful tidbits of the purchased software and left the rest to die. WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, DBase, and Borland's various toolsets and products aimed at developers. These products were dominate over the MS offerings at the time. Netscape had a substantial lead in the browser market and they turned their product into a big steaming pile of shit coupled with atrocious business decisions. (disclaimer) I have not personally used any MS products. However, in the past 10 years but I have completed many large system integration projects that required interfacing all the different technologies running across the enterprise. All the different technologies are just tools that can be used to deliver functionality. Nothing more. The only criteria for selecting a particular technology is picking the one that best suits your needs.

  25. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by mspohr · · Score: 1

    Interesting that Microsoft hasn't fixed this problem... but then, it's Microsoft.
    Maybe they thought that the malware people weren't smart enough to use PowerPoint.
    (I assume that this doesn't work in LibreOffice or OpenOffice or on OSX or Linux... just the lucky stupid Windows users.)

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  26. No clicks? Sure... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    If you're using an Office product older than Office 2010.
    Since then you need to click "Enable" or "Enable All (not recommended)" to on the security prompt to allow the script to run.

    So yes, no clicks if you're using Office 2007 or earlier.

    1. Re:No clicks? Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this prompt come up when opening the file, or when the mouseover activates the naughty script?
      If the former, it's useless. Everyone will click to see the contents of the file.

  27. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a findamental design flaw and vulnerability, in my opinion. Code should not be embedded in data, especially in email messages. Given the existence of the flaw, there's no reason not to warn by default. it represents extreme neglegence on the part of MS and other vendors.

  28. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But it is a fundamentally stupid idea. There is no need for it. So what if some users want it, let them use a plug in or other tool if they insist on automatically executing code received over the network.

  29. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem number 1:: There is a director at the company I work at and she insists on using Powerpoint to write docuemts and memos to email to people.
    The cow has been informed several times "Do not use Powerpoint for any form of communications but she still does it as she insists it's fine." Stupid cow thinks it's no problem but she does not understand why she gets sdo many emails back from people saying they can't read the attachment"

  30. All it takes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " All it takes to trigger the download is to hover your mouse pointer over a hyperlink in a carrier PowerPoint file." But where did the Powerpoint come from? Oh right, someone downloaded the PP file from a sketchy link...

  31. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

    And I am continually amazed with statements such as "Microsoft stupidity". If MS is as stupid and as bad as the OS and App evangelicals claim how do you explain their dominance, success, and profitability? If their product line has been so obviously bad how did they achieve their success?

    You only need to look at some of the anti-monopolistic practices MS has been convicted of to answer your questions. For a couple of others, like Netscape, yeah, they pretty much screwed themselves.

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  32. Microsoft are already working on a fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the next update you no longer have to click the e-mail, the script will be executed immediately when you connect to the e-mail server.

  33. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by turbidostato · · Score: 2

    "How many clicks does it take for those of use who do not own or use PowerPoint"

    Exactly that.

    "Security researchers have discovered that cybercriminals have recently started using a malware downloader that installs a banking Trojan to your computer"

    Does it installs into my computer or into my *windows* system?
    (once again)

  34. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile, the two biggest problems are ignored.

    Problem 1 - User stupidity. You get an e-mail with a "finance-related" subject, such as 'Invoice' or 'Order #'. But there's a Powerpoint file attached. Since when are legitimate invoices sent as Powerpoint files?

    Problem 2 - Microsoft stupidity. The ability of Powerpoint to run an external executable file (in this case powershell) is a HUGE design flaw that has become a major source of malware distribution.

    I'd say the biggest problem by far is the idiocy of Microsft wanting Office to be an operating system onto itself. 99,99% of the problems stem from this retarded policy. User idiocy comes way way down the list man. Lets put the blame right where it belongs.
    And it belongs to the fucktards at Microsoft.

  35. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What Microsoft's PAST leadership did should not and does not reflect on their current leadership. Try a new one. A company isn't a matured adult, it can change and does change with the people working there.

  36. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How many clicks does it take for us who don't yes or own PowerPoint, don't click on spam, and won't open powerpoint attachments even if it came out of the blue from friends? (Simply because we know our friends don't use powerpoint either, and we'd have no way to view the file even if we were to try to open it.)

    End of the day: Microsoft has shitty security in their file formats and programs still.

  37. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1... 2... 3. It takes three clicks to get to the center of a PowerPoint.

    Well played, wise old owl!

  38. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by runningduck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Your comment demonstrates your complete lack of understanding regarding what it takes and what occurred to achieve market dominance not to mention what constitutes sound software architecture.

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  39. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're forgetting a few clicks. Once you open the document, you need to click the Protected Mode warning banner (which it specifically warns you NOT to do unless you are certain of the file's origin) then when the malware tries to execute, you need to click to enable the unsigned macro which it again cautions you with a big red warning to NOT click enable.

  40. rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hooray for m$ windoze...

  41. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Office is trying to be emacs now?

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  42. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The VBScript portion NEEDS to be chosen to install, or no scripting s available.

    They forgot to mention that.

  43. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would assume incorrectly. There ARE security vulns, and they were discovered by only a small handful (comparatively to Office) of users using Libreoffice. If you don't patch, you're vulnerable.

    https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/security/advisories/

    Get it through your heads - there's ALWAYS a security vulnerability. No OS is safe; it just requires one enterprising individual to find the problem.

  44. It's the current year by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    PowerPoint is still a thing? Well than you can't be helped anyway.

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    1. Re:It's the current year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think I've seen a powerpoint file in 15 years.

    2. Re:It's the current year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be living in San Francisco?

  45. Joe six pack should buy a Mac by Brannon · · Score: 1

    problem solved

    1. Re:Joe six pack should buy a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac's don't run PowerPoint?

    2. Re:Joe six pack should buy a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but that would turn him into joanne six pack

      and now i cant get that image off my mind, damm it!

  46. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    *That functionality is not a design defect. If it is a design defect than every single application object capable of invoking external scripts and executables are also design defects.*

    the design defect is that it's not running them in a sandbox. it very well might be running them in a sandbox and the script uses a defect in the system to break out(most likely). possibly that part links to the link preview functionality since you need the action to sprout out from a mouse hover(if it didnt need that they would have done it that way)

    BESIDES.. NO APPLICATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOWNLOADABLE FROM THE INTERNET AND EXECUTED WITHOUT ASKING THE USER. this is a clear defect in the product, since this is against ms policy of how windows should run - you can't INTENTIONALLY download a program without it nagging about if you really want to run it or not.

    futrhermore it is a design defect that breaks ppt functionality if you're supposed to be running those ps scripts to display content inside the ppt, since they are not available on all platforms that have ms published ppt viewers.

    I seriously doubt that in this case executing the script with the root rights is the intended effect.

    anyways, I know you're just trolling. because surely you would have personally used _some_ ms product and why the fuck wouldn't you if they were successful because they're good.

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  47. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by lucm · · Score: 1

    You only need to look at some of the anti-monopolistic practices MS has been convicted of to answer your questions.

    Like having a proprietary web browser included in their proprietary o/s?

    I wonder if any other company does that.

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  48. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No. Like having a proprietary web browser which is embedded deeply into the OS. Teach me how to uninstall IE on modern Win OS, it is impossible because some functionality is required by the OS itself.

  49. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I am continually amazed with statements such as "Microsoft stupidity". If MS is as stupid and as bad as the OS and App evangelicals claim how do you explain their dominance, success, and profitability?

    Why does he need to explain it? Just look at the market data, their success and profitability is demonstrated.

    Just as this article demonstrates their stupidity.

  50. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That functionality is not a design defect.

    Then Microsoft executives need to be in prison for willfully infecting computers with malware.

    If it is a design defect than every single application object capable of invoking external scripts and executables are also design defects./quote>

    Yes. Every single person who cares about security would agree that being able to run general purpose scripts is a design defect.

    The only acceptable scripting abilities in an application is one that is limited to APIs that operate on the document itself, that that clearly does not include powershell.

  51. So, better than usual... by AC-x · · Score: 1

    Most MS Office exploits I remember would run as soon as you opened the file. It's nice to see that Microsoft have managed to get their security to the point where it is at least necessary to interact with the file once opened to trigger the exploit...

  52. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Did you factor in double clicks?

  53. What about UAC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Installs cr@p to your computer"? What if you don't run as Administrator? And even if you do, how come UAC doesn't save you? The cr@p should only able to infect your user account, not the entire computer. I ask here because the article doesn't explain these details.

  54. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by e70838 · · Score: 1

    does it work also with powerpoint viewer on wine ?

  55. Wrong Power prefix by sabbede · · Score: 1

    PowerPoint is available on Macs and mobile devices. PowerShell is not. That's the Power* that indicates Windows. Though not really because it's also available on Macs and Linux. I"ve never seen anyone with PowerShell on their Mac though.

  56. What about Powershell Execution Policy? by sabbede · · Score: 1

    It's a powershell macro that does the dirty work. Is it subject to the computer's powershell execution policy? I really wish they would have mentioned that somewhere.

  57. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If MS is as stupid and as bad as the OS and App evangelicals claim how do you explain their dominance, success, and profitability?

    BING! Found the Free Market apologist!

    A LOT of horrible things are very successful. WARS have been fought because of very successful horrors.

    Markets are not your kind, caring friends, they're mindless conveyors of products. Markets bring us abominable fast-foods, shoddy and dangerous appliances, and harmful governments. All it takes is someone to sell and someone to buy, and often neither side gives a rat's ass about the quality or safety of what is being sold.

  58. And protected view by benjymouse · · Score: 1

    Clickbait article does mention that "newer" office versions may offer yet another barrier to infection. However, it conveniently omits to mention that the feature which prevents the script from running even if you view the file in Powerpoint is called Protected View, and has been available and enabled by default since Office 2010 !!!

    When downloading files through a browser or receiving it through an email client, the file is "tainted" with a zone identifier that indicates that the file has been received from the Internet.

    When an office app opens a tainted file, it drops to run in a process with a restricted token in "low integrity" mode. I.e. the process itself is prevented from writing anywhere on the system (except some cache locations). Yes, it's running in a sandbox. Note that the restricted token is created *before* the process starts - it's not like a *nix SUID root process that must drop itself. If the user choses to "elevate", powerpoint restarts in a new process with the current user token instead of the restricted token.

    So, if you have Office 2010 or later you should be protected against this.

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  59. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 2

    Monday June 12, 2017
     
    I now no longer reply to AC posts. 2017/06/04

    > Replies to AC post.

  60. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    I can make exceptions to my own rules... Also, you seem to be following me around lately, do you like me or something? Sorry, not interested.

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  61. Seems like a non-issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So first you have to receive a suspicious email, then open a cryptic powerpoint claiming to be an invoice/order and then you have to hover over a "loading" notation? Seems like one of the more obvious examples of "this has to be malware" that I've ever seen, right up there with "download google secured document" pdfs. Everyone who has any experience with computers should know not to do at least one of the things required for this thing to infect your computer.

  62. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    I can make exceptions to my own rules

    Then it ain't rules.

    you seem to be following me around

    You wish. Are you lonely or something?

  63. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Rules, guidelines, whatever... why do you even care? Nothing better to do?

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  64. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I am continually amazed with statements such as "Microsoft stupidity". If MS is as stupid and as bad as the OS and App evangelicals claim how do you explain their dominance, success, and profitability? If their product line has been so obviously bad how did they achieve their success?

    Well you need to look no further than this "feature". While the PowerPoint format (and Doc, and so on) can be understood by programs on other platforms (Keynote on Mac, LibreOffice on Linux, etc), tying macros to PowerShell which only exists on Windows makes sure that in the end, you will still need a Windows PC to open those documents properly.

  65. when they use your mail contacts list by peter303 · · Score: 1

    A recent case relayed malware using your contact list and the Subject "sad news". Who would not be tempted to read that piece of mail? More obvious attempts like a free Amazon coupon from a non-Amazon return address address are easy to ignore.

  66. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ability of Powerpoint to run an external executable file (in this case powershell) is a HUGE design flaw that has become a major source of malware distribution.

    Sounds like how the entire web works - dozens of scripts that randomly execute when all you want to do is read some text. Given the constant stream of bugs in JS implementations (open sores), MS atleast has superior runtimes.

  67. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh man, they got the aps guy.

    Any one of us could be next!!!!

  68. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    Oh, don't forget to allow powershell scripts to run.

  69. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, like sabotaging a dominant office suite software through undocumented DOS API so that it would stop working and force users to switch to then stagnant Office.

  70. "Infects PCs Without A Mouse Click" by antdah · · Score: 1

    ...and how does this affect my PC running UNIX? Really? Not at all, you say? So... fake news?

  71. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Hurray for alarmist bullshit! You know what's even worse? Past PDF and DOC viruses that just needed you to open the file and not hover over anything.

  72. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by OlgerSIP · · Score: 1

    Exactly... you must be stupid enough to open the e-mail, then open the PPT... but look... you do not need to click the hyperlink to get infected... Good Lord!!

  73. A call to better report malware by JoePete · · Score: 1

    Most malware attacks can be described based on platform and vector of attack. From what has been described here, I am going to guess (because it is not specified) that we are talking a Windows OS running on (likely) an x86/x86-64 architecture with some version of PowerPoint and PowerShell installed. The vector is malicious file that you have to copy/download, open, and hover. Ninety-nine percent of all malware is limited is limited by platform just due the nature of vulnerabilities and the code it takes to exploit it. And of that 99 percent, 95 percent (at least) targets one platform in particular (Windows on x86-64). Leaving out or downplaying these details would be like the Weather Channel using the New Orleans forecast to describe weather threats throughout the country.

  74. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    And bundling of said office suite software for effectively free, resulting in an installed office suite that they then broke backwards compatibility with once the adoption rate was high enough, forcing a massive upgrade cycle. They succeeded.

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  75. Re:No Clicks! Wow! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    Are any other companies monopolies and taking out the existing dominant players?

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  76. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    The question was regarding their dominance, success and profitability. Those are directly the result of the PAST leadership, not the current one, which has largely been coasting and making minor changes to wring yet more revenue out of the existing products.

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  77. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    I'll take that for a 'yes'. Sorry to hear it.

  78. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    No, really just curious why you seem to have a hard-on for me recently. 30% of your posts for the past week have been replies to my comments.

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  79. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    Yes, I follow you around, and then I specifically reply to *your* comments. I rolled some dice to obtain the next uid to dedicate 30% of my comments last week to, and it was yours.
    It absolutely can't be just coincidence, or the fact that I often don't bother commenting unless I stumble upon something outstandingly stupid, and you just happened to be a lot of that last week.

    It's funny though how this shows how badly you want a little attention.

  80. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    It's not just the past week, that's only how far back i felt like looking at your comment history. You go right on and think whatever you want about me, but my point was more that I don't want your attention. You have a tendency to not add anything to the conversation... and I do enjoy a good troll. You just aren't one.

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  81. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    think whatever you want about me

    There's the issue. I don't think anything about you (*). I usually don't even look at the name of whoever I'm replying to. So you can stop right there.

    (*) Of course, after *this* conversation, I'm convinced you're egocentric, obnoxious and pretty much what I'd put in the "idiot" drawer. But hadn't you pointed it out to me, I hadn't even known about you, nor about that fascinating 30% number. Speaking of "nothing better to do"...

  82. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    > Comments on a reply to an AC, from someone with a sig stating that they don't reply to AC posts, to point out that they replied to an AC.
    > Claims they don't look at usernames

    Right-o, then.

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  83. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    > Misrepresents what was said to appear to have an argument
    > Pulls it off ham-fistedly and only demonstrates massive reading comprehension issues.

    Look out for big words like 'usually' and real long difficult phrases like 'of whoever I'm replying to'. If you need it spelled out, it was your *sig* I looked at, and made me check the pare--- how can you possibly need this explained?

  84. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    If you think I find this any less entertaining than you do, you're mistaken. Just keep wasting your time arguing with me...

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  85. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    I don't think you find this entertaining, but I do see how pretending I'm trying to troll you is the only way to avoid confronting yourself with your own stupidity. Way to bullshit yourself.

  86. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm so stupid that I'm able to live a damn fulfilling life working for myself. Sorry, too much happiness in my life to let you get to me, bro.

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  87. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by fisted · · Score: 1

    So fulfilling, you imagine being stalked on slashdot and start wading through my comments (I suppose the irony is lost on you here) to count how many are replies to yours.

    You being happy I have absolutely no issues believing -- that's actually pretty common (see that other guy here with that "Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know" quote in his sig.). One might think it'd be depressing to be stupid, but (as seems to be the case with you too) stupid people tend to not realize they're stupid -- mainly due to being stupid. So there's nothing unsurmountable in the way on their way to happiness.

    Yes, it's easier for you to believe I'm trying to troll you, but I really am not. I genuinely think you're genuinely stupid. Sorry.

  88. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    So fulfilling, you imagine being stalked on slashdot and start wading through my comments (I suppose the irony is lost on you here) to count how many are replies to yours.

    I wouldn't really say I waded through them, I didn't even get through the first page. Keep deluding yourself. I'm not the one who has nothing better to do than follow after people on the internet to tell them I think they're stupid.

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  89. Re: No Clicks! Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About a million, part of those, include actually finding, buying/getting and installing a compatible powerpoint version!

  90. C&C servers thit uses to block in hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0.0.0.0 cccn.nl
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    0.0.0.0 netart.pl
    0.0.0.0 chnet.se

    * Per source article http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/mouseover-otlard-gootkit/

    APK

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