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How Lego Clicked: The Super Brand That Reinvented Itself (theguardian.com)

managerialslime shared an article about how Lego executed "the greatest turnaround in corporate history." The Guardian reports: By 2003 Lego was in big trouble. Sales were down 30% year-on-year and it was $800m in debt. An internal report revealed it hadn't added anything of value to its portfolio for a decade... In 2015, the still privately owned, family controlled Lego Group overtook Ferrari to become the world's most powerful brand. It announced profits of £660m, making it the number one toy company in Europe and Asia, and number three in North America, where sales topped $1bn for the first time. From 2008 to 2010 its profits quadrupled, outstripping Apple's. Indeed, it has been called the Apple of toys: a profit-generating, design-driven miracle built around premium, intuitive, covetable hardware that fans can't get enough of. Last year Lego sold 75bn bricks. Lego people -- "Minifigures" -- the 4cm-tall yellow characters with dotty eyes, permanent grins, hooks for hands and pegs for legs -- outnumber humans. The British Toy Retailers Association voted Lego the toy of the century.
It's a good read. The article describes how CEO Vig Knudstorp curtailed the company's over-expansion -- at one point, Lego had "built its own video games company from scratch, the largest installation of Silicon Graphics supercomputers in northern Europe, despite having no experience in the field." And he also encouraged the company to interact with its fans on the internet -- for example, the crowdsourcing of Ninjago content -- while the company enjoyed new popularity with Mindstorms kits for building programmable Lego robots.

191 comments

  1. Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not really, I miss the old Lego, before they tried to make nothing but branded and licensed parts that sell well because of their associated content.

    1. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Premade lego branded action figures barely qualify as Lego. Nobody wants to build anything from parts anymore. Stop selling out and just let Lego die like Radio Shack died.

    2. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, nope. Check this out

      And by this of course I mean the point in the universe where veterinary medicine, soap bubble making, and butt sex cross paths. See people who bought J-lube also bought Dawn manual pot & pan. Why? Because these are the soap bubble enthusiasts. Other people bought J-lube and the Extra Large SensaFirm Balled Cock 11 Inch Mocha. That's a whole nother segment of the market that comes together in this tiny speck of the Venn diagram with the soap bubblers AND the veterinarians who need to do obstetrical work and artificial inseminations in large animals. We are all just 6 purchases away from each other in the Amazon universe!

      sauce: amazon

    3. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you step on a lego.

    4. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss the old Lego, too. As a kid, I used to create models of baseball stadiums with the generic blocks and see what interesting architectural designs I could come up with. Then I took the wrecking ball to them. Also, the Lego Technic sets were very cool but also quite educational. They still exist but I prefer the old sets with studs on all the pieces. The Lego Mindstorms were newer but again very educational. I'd have preferred less of a focus on licensing and more sticking to being educational. Strangely, I don't remember at any point from K-12 having Legos in the classroom. It's a shame because they are great for teaching some aspects of science and technology.

    5. Re: Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I don't remember at any point from K-12 having Legos in the classroom. It's a shame because they are great for teaching some aspects of science and technology.

      Shame they can't use them to teach grammar.

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    6. Re:Everything is awesome? by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who has many thousands of LEGO pieces (old and new) and just spent all weekend at a big LEGO exhibition as an exhibitor, I can tell you that you clearly dont know anything about LEGO if you think that all they make is overpriced licensed crap.

      You need to check out sets like the 10255 Assembly Square, 42055 Bucket Wheel Excavator, 10194 Emerald Night, 10210 Imperial Flagship and 70751 Temple of Airjitzu. None of these sets are licensed and all of them are full of useful parts (including basic bricks and things).

      If all you want is basic simple generic parts then the Classic line has boxes full of bricks, wheels, windows, doors, roof pieces and other "simple" parts.

      Oh and if you think that all the licensed sets are crap, you clearly haven't seen sets like the 42056 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 75827 Ghostbusters Firehouse Headquarters or 10179 Ultimate Collectors Series Millennium Falcon.

    7. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And die in a Lego fire.

    8. Re:Everything is awesome? by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really, I miss the old Lego, before they tried to make nothing but branded and licensed parts that sell well because of their associated content.

      Actually they have less special parts now. It was one of the things they fixed during the turn-around. They have licensed models, but fewer special parts.

    9. Re:Everything is awesome? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...Nobody wants to build anything from parts anymore...

      You're speaking to the generation who made the creator of Minecraft a billionaire.

      "Last year Lego sold 75bn bricks."

      Sure as hell sounds like a lot of parts to me.

    10. Re:Everything is awesome? by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      Pepperidge Farms Remembers! (grin)

    11. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have the City collection that is based their on IP. I take it what you really miss is LEGO being in the gutter.

    12. Re:Everything is awesome? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding?

      Lego noticed that making more and more pre-shaped parts that can only be assembled the way they "should" be done isn't what kids want. Yes, it makes them buy a few of the boxes, but in the end, it makes Lego indistinguishable from all the other action figures, and, well, the other action figures do it better. What made Lego powerful was exactly that you could make things that were not predetermined.

      And Lego noticed that a few years ago.

      They're back to selling kits containing mostly generic parts that can be reused for your own creations. And since they turned back to the "old school" parts sales have picked up again.

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    13. Re:Everything is awesome? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I envy you for your spare time.

      But even more that your parents didn't get a hold of your Lego and gave it away. *sniff*

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    14. Re:Everything is awesome? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You need to check out sets like the 10255 Assembly Square, 42055 Bucket Wheel Excavator, 10194 Emerald Night, 10210 Imperial Flagship and 70751 Temple of Airjitzu.

      Those do look amazing, but I think the GP's point about being overpriced might be true. The Bucket Wheel Excavator is £125 on Amazon, and I saw a nice Porsche that was £175 (RRP is £270).

      For kids that's an awful lot of money. To be honest I'd quite like to build those two myself, but only if they come on sale. And while they are well made and durable, it does seem a lot for a kit of plastic parts that aren't even unique moulds.

      I haven't tried any of the knock-offs, and maybe I'm missing something, but they do seem rather expensive to me.

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    15. Re:Everything is awesome? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Not really, I miss the old Lego, before they tried to make nothing but branded and licensed parts that sell well because of their associated content.

      Actually they have less special parts now. It was one of the things they fixed during the turn-around. They have licensed models, but fewer special parts.

      You can still find generic kits: they're cheap too. There are also over-priced versions aimed squarely at adults.

    16. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's nothing wrong with that sentence, you worthless piece of doodie

    17. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you sure showed him! That was totally awesome, smacking him about and embarassing him for not knowing the plural of a brand name. You show that little turd who's boss! I can hear women everywhere beating a path to your door and brawling over who gets to straddle you first.

    18. Re:Everything is awesome? by ranton · · Score: 2

      Those do look amazing, but I think the GP's point about being overpriced might be true. The Bucket Wheel Excavator is £125 on Amazon, and I saw a nice Porsche that was £175 (RRP is £270).

      The Bucket Wheel Excavator has nearly 4000 pieces. Even the Lego Creative Large Box ($85) only has 1500, and their large creative box is a big set of blocks. But yes some of sets like the Porsche are very expensive but they seem to be targeting adult collectors not kids.

      For kids that's an awful lot of money. To be honest I'd quite like to build those two myself, but only if they come on sale. And while they are well made and durable, it does seem a lot for a kit of plastic parts that aren't even unique moulds.

      Lego is a high end brand and not the type of toy kids are going to buy much of with their allowance. It is more like an XBox which is more likely coming from the parents or Santa than from the kids' piggy banks. For the same price as an Xbox with a few games you can probably get about 10,000 Lego pieces for your kids to enjoy which could last them their entire childhood (if spread out with periodic additions to their collections to keep up their interest level).

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    19. Re:Everything is awesome? by trabby · · Score: 1

      Nevermind that the Millenium Falcon set fetches over $3k... used

    20. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Oh and if you think that all the licensed sets are crap, you clearly haven't seen sets like the 42056 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 75827 Ghostbusters Firehouse Headquarters or 10179 Ultimate Collectors Series Millennium Falcon.

      I've seen the Star Destroyer (the three-feet version) in more than a few Fortune 500 companies, usually hanging from the ceiling in the marketing department.

    21. Re:Everything is awesome? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      I disagree. While yes Lego does have large, expensive sets, the majority of their sets are small and affordable. My kids love Their LEGOs and I have to double check when shopping for presents because half the set's I'm looking at they already bought (with their allowance). And compared to the other major toy-lines they are very competitively priced.

      LEGO sets can cost an arm and a leg, but they also market many at much lower prices. With a large variety between $15 and $40. (I'm not rich, I try to shoot for about $30 per birthday present). Many of the lower cost sets they even design with multiple vehicles items out of one set. And those small inexpensive sets and the larger, slightly higher priced sets all combine to release real imagination as they build the sets then start modifying them with pieces from prior sets. The biggest struggle we have is keeping their mother from her habit of occasionally scooping random handfuls of parts into the trash to try to keep the supply down. I try to tell her that more parts equals more creative potential.

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    22. Re:Everything is awesome? by ranton · · Score: 1

      Touche, I have to admit that my children haven't gotten to an allowance age and I never had one as a kid so my viewpoint here could be quite off. I know that even at the age of 12 I had a hard time even saving up $10 (around $20 in 2017 dollars) but I grew up in a working class family. I concede my children will probably not have that problem living in an upper middle class suburb and if they so choose could likely buy their own legos. Probably not the $100+ sets, but there are plenty of $10-$25 sets as well.

      The biggest struggle we have is keeping their mother from her habit of occasionally scooping random handfuls of parts into the trash to try to keep the supply down. I try to tell her that more parts equals more creative potential.

      Ha, I'm glad I'm not the only one. My daughters have about $300 worth of Duplos right now and my wife gets upset every time another $50 set arrives from Amazon. I concede there are a lot of bricks, but my nearly 3 year old daughter loves building large buildings or zoos on her building plates and that takes a lot of bricks.

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    23. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the knock offs have quality control issues or clutch power (the ability to stick together when you want them to, and be separated when you want to) issues. Also the plastic usually feels different -- I can sort bricks between lego and not by touch alone in many cases. There are some more recent clones that are better and I can't tell by touch. I still toss them out from bulk buys because they don't clutch right, but it is getting harder to ID them. I guess if the quality gets high enough I don't care if they intermix.

      As for price, the bricks are cheaper in real terms today than ever. The average price per part has been in the 10-15c/brick since the 70s. https://flowingdata.com/2013/02/07/analysis-of-lego-brick-prices-over-the-years/ The difference now is the part count in sets is way up. So from one point of view, sure, the sets seem/are more expensive. From the other point of view, the bricks have never been cheaper.

    24. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      No, you haven't.

      What makes you think that I haven't?

    25. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A typical internet idiot spouting bullshit about lego even though he apparently knows jack shit about the sets they actually sell these days.

      Get the fuck out of here and educate yourself.

    26. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lego is still like that, you just choose to put on blinders and ignore absolutely everything that's out nowadays in favor of focusing on the sets that further your narrative, just so you can continue to wallow in your own ignorant bullshit.

    27. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      The fact that you look and act like someone that would be told to use the service entrance to the building?

      That would be consistent with being an IT support contractor for a Fortune 500 company. So what?

      YOU made the claim, YOU provide the evidence.

      My word should be good enough then.

    28. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that's expensive for the bucket wheel excavator, then it's already clear that you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Bother to see what's in a set before you open your mouth.

    29. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Please describe how or why an IT contractor would be brought to marketing...

      Replace workstations? Fix the Dell cup holders? Flirt with the marketing girls?

      If fat people didn't make you so stupid, you would realize that IT contractors have access to the entire campus. Especially if you can help someone fix a problem.

    30. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So you've worked at *TWO* Fortune 500 companies.

      My LinkedIn profile lists only the major jobs that I've done. It doesn't list all the minor jobs that I've done for different contracting agencies. I've been at Facebook, LinkedIn, Stanford University, Solar City and quite a few others places. Most of my time at these places lasted from four hours to several days. My master resume that lists everything is ten pages long.

      QED.

      Why all this effort to prove me wrong?

    31. Re:Everything is awesome? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Your public linkedin profile tells us you're a liar.

      Read my answer below.

      https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10727027&cid=54603717

      "The marketing guys at eBay used to have a 3-foot-long Star Destroyer model hanging from the ceiling, shit was cash."

      Correct!

      But you had to try and make yourself sound important... and so you tripped up over the most basic rule of lying: keep it simple.

      On Slashdot?! Pfft... ROFL

    32. Re: Everything is awesome? by lgw · · Score: 1

      The plural of Lego is obviously Legos. Anyone without an MBA could see that.

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    33. Re:Everything is awesome? by mspohr · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree. I miss the old simple Lego.
      The new kits don't leave any room for creativity. Just put the parts together (only one way to do that) and look at it.
      They have all of these unique parts that can't be used to build anything else.
      My granddaughter got a "Frozen" Lego kit for Christmas. It came with a 50 page instruction book and lots of little parts. I tried to put it together but gave up. I felt like a slave in a sweat shop.

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    34. Re:Everything is awesome? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Not my experience with a Christmas "Frozen" kit. Hundreds of unique parts that could only be used to build the Frozen set. Stupid.

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    35. Re:Everything is awesome? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Check out this kit:
      https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Di...
      I doubt that there is a single "generic" brick in this kit. It's all special parts.

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    36. Re: Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I suppose anyone without a degree in classics will tell you it's legines?

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    37. Re:Everything is awesome? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      That did happen, it got given away to someone who ended up using it more than me (I was there and I was happy to give it away).

      All the stuff I have now is new stuff I bought as an adult.

    38. Re: Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Do you call strips of metal with holes in them meccanos or meccanoes?

      On second thoughts, you probably manage to fit at least one apostrophe in there somewhere.

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    39. Re:Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You should have asked Santa for something else then, you big poofter.

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    40. Re:Everything is awesome? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Yeah LEGO has awesome non-licensed sets starting as low as $5 (US RRP) and a huge range below $50 (US RRP)

    41. Re:Everything is awesome? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I thought I'd branch out from "Ponies".

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    42. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Replace workstations? Fix the Dell cup holders? Flirt with the marketing girls?"

      Eat all the donuts? Put a week-long stank in the men's room?

    43. Re:Everything is awesome? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. Are you a Lego Internet Tough Guy?
      Does that even work?

    44. Re:Everything is awesome? by Nemesisghost · · Score: 1

      Actually, except for the little snowmen, I've seen every one of those parts in other sets. They were different colors & didn't have printing on them(or is that stickers?), but the mold was the same.

    45. Re:Everything is awesome? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried any of the knock-offs, and maybe I'm missing something, but they do seem rather expensive to me.

      Maybe someone else will reply and show that this is BS, but SUPPOSEDLY (yes, I admit I am passing on something I heard with no proof) actual Lego interlock better and for a much longer time (i.e. don't wear out due to connecting/disconnecting).

      Supposedly "more accurate molding process" or something like that.

    46. Re:Everything is awesome? by zvar · · Score: 1

      You can always look and see. When I went looking after my daughter got into Lego I was impressed with the level of detail that is out there on lego sets.
      For that specific set I seen only a few parts that are unique.
      Here is a list if you want,,, https://brickset.com/sets/4114... and click on the parts tab.

    47. Re: Everything is awesome? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Heh... My son left some on the floor, many years ago. I called them caltrops and took the movement penalty, just to go get him and make him pick them up.

      After the first issue with caltrops, a new rule went into effect. If I found it on the floor, truly unattended, they offending pieces went into the trash. Caltrops are an underrated weapon/trap.

      I am also pretty sure they got the damage wrong. I had to drink several healing potions (probably Molson brand) just to feel better.

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    48. Re:Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Kreo aren't bad. My kids have a few sets I got as an experiment - there was some theme that wasn't available in Lego. Transformers, maybe.

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    49. Re:Everything is awesome? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen the slide or the spiral staircase though I can see use cases for both. The only ones I'd say are special are the large windows & the snowflake on top but you're a darn sight closer to right than he is.

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    50. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can attest to this. Our old collection has a combination of real legos and knockoffs, and it shows. Even when they're new, the knockoffs aren't as good for building tall structural pieces.

    51. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who has many thousands of LEGO pieces (old and new) and just spent all weekend at a big LEGO exhibition as an exhibitor, I can tell you that you clearly dont know anything about LEGO if you think that all they make is overpriced licensed crap.

      As someone who sees your self-description, I'm less inclined to believe you.

      That I read the rest of your post...yeah, you're pretty much convincing me I'm right to stay out of that aisle.

      You need to check out sets like the 10255 Assembly Square, 42055 Bucket Wheel Excavator, 10194 Emerald Night, 10210 Imperial Flagship and 70751 Temple of Airjitzu. None of these sets are licensed and all of them are full of useful parts (including basic bricks and things).

      Let's see...I can't even find a price on that first one, other than used in the 200+ range. And it looks just like the licensed crap I already complained about. So it's their own brand, it's still like something I could get made out of one of those kitsch shops. That second one? 200 bucks. The third one? I'm seeing 500 bucks. The Flagship? A hundred. And it is retired. Then we end up with 200 for the last.

      And it's their Ninja-go-go product. Whee! Sold with the associated content. Huzzah!

      If all you want is basic simple generic parts then the Classic line has boxes full of bricks, wheels, windows, doors, roof pieces and other "simple" parts.

      And yet you spent more than half your post naming the licensed and branded crap.

      Oh and if you think that all the licensed sets are crap, you clearly haven't seen sets like the 42056 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 75827 Ghostbusters Firehouse Headquarters or 10179 Ultimate Collectors Series Millennium Falcon.

      300 dollars. 473 dollars. Released at 500 dollars, now selling for thousands?

      Did you go out of your way to name overpriced items just to prove my point?

      I'm more repulsed by Lego than I was before.

    52. Re: Everything is awesome? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I usually call them Erector Pieces. Before giggling like an idiot (yes, I'm in Oregon, where they were invented *completely independently* of meccano in England)

      I swear that crane kit was very phalic on purpose....

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    53. Re:Everything is awesome? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The one with the round dish does. The one with the square dish is more in the $400 range.

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    54. Re:Everything is awesome? by trabby · · Score: 1

      Yeah then buy the round dish off bricklink...

      Oh wait THAT costs a bundle lol.

    55. Re:Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The middle part of the Kre-O run is pretty close to Lego. Not quite there, but good enough for most practical purposes. The first run of Transformers kits was pretty bad, but a lot of changes were made after that. Parts fit started to get a bit iffy by the Robots in Disguise line at the end (initially only sold outside of the US with the leftovers dumped off at US discount stores), but the rest worked well enough. That covers the rest of the Transformers line (movies 2, 3, and most of 4 plus Transformers Prime and various G1-themed releases), Battleship, Star Trek, G.I. Joe, Dungeons & Dragons, and Cityville. Price was roughly on par with Lego initially, but frequent discounts (due to poor sales) brought prices down a bit before the massive clearances at the end of 2014 (from 10-12 cents per part to 1-3 cents per part). The range of properties resulted in an impressive parts catalog in just a few years, though the limited run makes finding the right parts in the right colors a bit of a challenge at times. Unfortunately, it took Hasbro a few years to figure out how to make the products people wanted and by then, retailers wouldn't stock the products.

    56. Re:Everything is awesome? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      They still make the big boxes of generic pieces. Might be hard to find them among the aisles and aisles of other Lego sfuff.

    57. Re:Everything is awesome? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      You also neglect the possibility that he might have interviewed at those larger companies even if he never chose to take a job with any of them. Or he might have attended public launch events there, or gone to parties as the guest of a friend. Plenty of opportunities to have seen those places, as is typical of people who work in the tech industry in Silicon Valley.

      I worked in tech in Boston for nearly 30 years without ever being employed by a Fortune 500 company. But I've been inside plenty of them. Haven't seen any Legos hanging from the ceiling though; that's not a thing here.

    58. Re:Everything is awesome? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The main problem with the Classic products is finding them. They've been crowded off the shelves by the huge numbers of other Lego products. For example, a Target store I was in recently had one and a half aisles of Lego products, but Target only sells 13 Classic Lego kits and that store didn't have all of them. All in all the Classic line represented less than 5% of their total Lego shelf space. Their larger stores do carry most of the 13 products (a couple of things like the 48x48 base plate appear to be order-only) but stock may be thin and so running out can be an issue. Rght now each Boston area store appears to have only one of the Large Creative Brick kits, the biggest of the Classic sets.

    59. Re: Everything is awesome? by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Nope, LEGO is not a noun. It is an adjective: https://twitter.com/richardvre...

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    60. Re: Everything is awesome? by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Side note: Yes, I know, when referring to the company itself, LEGO is a noun. I was referring to when it is talking about LEGO bricks or LEGO minifigures.

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    61. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because you are a toxic cancer, emblematic of what is wrong with Slashdot. And we collectively want you gone. Even if that means getting rid of you be making it harder for you to have access to electrical power and internet, vis a vis you not getting a new contract when any HR department runs a search on you.

    62. Re: Everything is awesome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do/would you also build model kits for your grandsons? The point of models and LEGOs isn't to get a glied together piece of plastic, it is to improve hand eye coordination and mental modeling while having fun... For the builder. If you are trying to get it done so you don't have to use it anymore, you are not he target audience.

      That was even the while point of the LEGO movie.

      Also, unique parts are rarely unique. They sold 75,000,000,000 bricks last year. If you can only think of a single use for a given part, I pity your lack of creativity.

  2. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    they started 'Disneyfying' themselves

    Man, really! Just like what Giuliani did to Times Square... Completely ruined it when they ran off the hookers

  3. Good at what you're at. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vig Knudstorp rescued Lego by methodically rebuilding it, brick by brick. He dumped things it had no expertise in

    Remember that was one of Steve Jobs first actions coming back from NeXTStep.

  4. Legoworlds was a screwup though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first played Minecraft many years ago when it was still in beta the first thought I had was how much it was like playing with lego and if it had legoblocks how much better and immersive it would be.

    Around 2015 Lego released a game on early access which looked like it could be a minecraft killer. It was a open world sandbox game with lego pieces. It showed a lot of promise. Unfortunately when the game got released and had a major update the game turned into a adventure/questing game much like the other Lego Starwars/LOTR/Harry Potter games. They've since added back sandbox mode but the game still suffers from horrible controls, poor movement, small worlds and most of it it lacks any sort of contraption making which Minecraft excels at. Legoworlds is the perfect game to add Technic pieces and have them working.

    But alas, they really screwed up with this game. It could really have been a minecraft killer. microsoft paid $2.5 BILLION for mojang. Thats 2.5billion for pretty much ONE game (we can forget about Scrolls). Theres a lot of money in a minecraft-like game and Lego game is the perfect franchise to make it in.

    1. Re:Legoworlds was a screwup though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I shouldn't really have called it a screwup, it's more like a missed opportunity. Lego really is the one that can make a minecraft killer. Theres a lot of money in minecraft-like games and I'm sure notch had lego in mind (along with dwarf fortress) when he came up with the game.

    2. Re:Legoworlds was a screwup though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By 2015 a "minecraft killer" would've been redundant. Survival sandbox games were an entire genre by then, and Minecraft's continued - though declining - popularity was purely due to its name recognition and established community.

      Microsoft only paid that stupid and unrecoupable amount for so it could use it as bait to get people to install Windows 10. What remains of the Minecraft community today is for the most part showing very little interest in the new version though, since (except for a slight performance improvement) the MS version is inferior in every way to the classic Java version, especially in the areas of third party content and mods.

    3. Re:Legoworlds was a screwup though by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Theres a lot of money in minecraft-like games and I'm sure notch had lego in mind (along with dwarf fortress) when he came up with the game.

      I think a lot of people, even programming nerds, are missing pretty much completely that technicalities and resources dictated quite a lot of minecrafts design.

      the blocks are a necessity to be able to handle it. the blocky nature and how that preserves memory and makes memory consumption of the world predictable is what makes the whole thing possible at all. it's not like it was a design aesthetic choice as such.

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    4. Re:Legoworlds was a screwup though by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And this is the part that MS (and a lot of other big studios) don't get: Modding support is what drives those games. There are quite a few games out there that are, let's be honest here, mediocre at best. Cheap graphics, clunky design, horrible performance, crappy AI... take whatever aspect of the game you want and it will be easy to find another game that does it better, smoother and faster.

      But these games can be modded. And that means that they will get more content than ANYTHING you could produce in-house. Minecraft being one example, KSP being another. And a lot of other Indie games noticed that they can get a lot of free content and even game mechanics if they just let people code their own stuff.

      Yes, that means that you can't gouge your customers with stupid, worthless addons that they can get for free. But it means that your game will sell millions and for years and years to come. Guess what makes you more money in the end.

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    5. Re:Legoworlds was a screwup though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most corporate executives think long term means a year out.

  5. from the ashes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I recall, the Lego company has had to recover 2 or 3 times from huge fires that caused the company to re-invent itself.
    I can think of no other company that can pull itself up and do well.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdDU_BBJW9Y

  6. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by berj · · Score: 4, Informative

    The big difference post-'03 is they started 'Disneyfying' themselves, theme parks everywhere...

    There are only 6 legoland theme parks.. and 4 of them were built before '03. The remaining two opened in '11 and just '17.

  7. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they started 'Disneyfying' themselves

    Man, really! Just like what Giuliani did to Times Square... Completely ruined it when they ran off with the hookers

    ftfy

  8. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    The big difference post-'03 is they started 'Disneyfying' themselves, theme parks everywhere...

    There are only 6 legoland theme parks.. and 4 of them were built before '03. The remaining two opened in '11 and just '17.

    In my opinion, the "Disneyfying" and turnaround began with the Lego Star Wars video game in 2005. It did more, in my opinion, for the brand than anything else. Practically everyone I knew had a copy, even people who weren't big lego fans. The Star Wars co-branding, in my opinion, has been one of the biggest pieces. The Lego movies, mindstorms, etc. all add to the bottom line but it all started with the video games.

  9. As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with Legos, all I have to say is WTF. Why did this brand go from nothing to being worth so much?

    1. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a rich white people brand so normal people typically don't even know who they are.

    2. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was always a rich white person brand. Never once got to play with them.

    3. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most people growing up we never got to play with Legos since they were so expensive. I guess it's a nostalgia thing.

    4. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Never got to play with them since my family wasn't rich. I still hate them for that.

    5. Re:As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they priced themselves out of the range of normal people so those of us that to be rich now want them. I know I have never even touched a lego in my life.

    6. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were only the toys of rich people.

    7. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legos hates normal people so they never even allowed us to see them.

    8. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normal people have never seen them, but the rich on the 90s did.

    9. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one did. Only spoiled children these days get to play with them.

    10. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never seen a Lego in person so I think you're right.

    11. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Never got to play with them since my family wasn't rich. I still hate them for that.

      You hate Lego, or you hate your family?

    12. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And years ago only the extremely wealthy even got to see them.

    13. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My family most decidedly was not rich and I still had a small but adequate supply. They would add to the collection by buying some from rummage sales and every year or two I would get another modest-sized kit. Used to love mix-n-matching the space parts with the generic parts to make larger ships.

    14. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by JoeRobe · · Score: 1

      Same here, definitely not rich growing up, but you could get used lego at garage/yard/tag sales, flea markets, thrift stores, auctions for almost nothing. I don't ever remember buying a new set of them, but remember getting loads of used ones.

      Although honestly, Lincoln logs are where it was at for me.

      Rob

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    15. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I once knew someone who has heard of someone who saw a complete kit. But ... I know, anecdotes are no proof.

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    16. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      As we were definitely not rich in the 90's, I can most certainly say that assertion is false. All of my kids had Lego when they were growing up in that decade, and a couple of them still play with it now as adults.

    17. Re: As someone that has never gotten to play... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the 70s, firmly middle class. This was when I thought an Atari 2600 was the toy of the wealthy. I had various sets, a few space sets, and lots of odd pieces. I remember mowing neighbors' lawns in order to get a set once.

      Perhaps you're parents didn't care about you that much? Or you were really really really poor.
      But hell, even the local library had a small Lego table .

  10. Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons. by dwywit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lego still allows the user to exercise their own creativity. You might buy a Star Destroyer kit, but you can build other things with it.

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  11. This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Eloking · · Score: 3, Informative

    There, let me save you the trouble of reading a boring article by sharing this cool video instead, The Lego's Story : https://youtu.be/NdDU_BBJW9Y

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    1. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >instead of reading this short(ish) text article, why not consume the same information in a format which will require a ten times larger time investment and annoy everyone around you?

      Screw you and everyone who thinks like you.

    2. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by ratbag · · Score: 0

      A new way to add an erroneous S to LEGO. Well played.

      That video is called "The LEGO Story". No apostrophe, no S (there never is with Lego or LEGO. Never).

      Yes, this irks me. No, I've no idea why (and I'm not looking for suggestions, thanks)

    3. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Headphones, guy

    4. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Eloking · · Score: 1

      A new way to add an erroneous S to LEGO. Well played.

      That video is called "The LEGO Story". No apostrophe, no S (there never is with Lego or LEGO. Never).

      Yes, this irks me. No, I've no idea why (and I'm not looking for suggestions, thanks)

      Sorry about that, I'm french but I'm learning.

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    5. Re: This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should i have to wear headphones because some inconsiderate fucking millenial cant be bothered while he watches video.

    6. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The folks who feel militant about an errant "S" at the end of Lego may be technically correct but they're certainly not worth apologizing to for their pedantry. You should have tried to convince him it was correct in French instead just to mess with him.

    7. Re:This video, Lego's Story, is way better by Eloking · · Score: 2

      The folks who feel militant about an errant "S" at the end of Lego may be technically correct but they're certainly not worth apologizing to for their pedantry. You should have tried to convince him it was correct in French instead just to mess with him.

      True but I'm Canadian so we kinda apologize for everything, sorry!

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  12. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have created several desktop/system applications and mobile apps using Apple devices.

  13. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better hookers than sweaty illegal immigrant pedophiles in vomit-stained Elmo fursuits luring children and demanding money from tourists.

  14. If you make do with limited quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you limit the number of legos purchased, legos aren't too expensive. The kid has to use his imagination a lot, and will get bored with the limited selection. It works better to share the legos with other kids.

    1. Re: If you make do with limited quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can buy a tub of generic blocks, a relatively big tub, for about $20. The little theme 'kits' are much more expensive. We only had generic blocks when I was a kid in the 60s.

    2. Re: If you make do with limited quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally!!! Yes, Lego Bricks, Lincoln Logs, Tinker Toys, Erector Sets. Alone, they weren't much really, but mix them all up...
      My Erector Sets came in a big red steel box with all sorts of oddities, including an AC motor, with a gearbox and power take-off on each shaft. Meccano from England did something similar, but their motors ran off batteries. However, Meccano did make Steam Engines.
      The Erector Gearbox was open, and quite capable of tearing a chunk of skin off of a carelessly placed palm. I still have a faint scar.
      That led to a long interest in Things Mechanical. Easy Hobby-Games for Little Engineers, complete with instructions. Oh, easy for Leonardo! But that later led eventually into a bigger, much more complex, Toy.
      I put $10K into an old Ferrari with a wonky gearbox. Saved $5K on the Appraisal, and it was a simple fix. Those old gearboxes actually are very easy to work on; many repairs can be done in the car once released from the Bellhousing and Rubber Donut. That was a lot of fun, and a pretty good investment, with a current Return On Principle of around 5,000%. I can't say that I learned a damn thing, or earned a damn Dime, from Lego.

      That claim that Lego is the "World's Most Powerful Brand" has been repeated again. The Company that makes that claim is a P.R. Firm, and they are very vague with just what their definition of "Powerful" is. I always thought that Legos were cheap as a child; often the bricks didn't snap together because the plastic deformed easily. They were OK for building platforms or boxes on which other things could be put on or in, but they didn't _do_ anything. They certainly weren't as attractive as Lincoln Logs. You could carve and nail a (very) small Boat, more like a Barge, out of Lincoln Logs, Pencils, and Popsicle Sticks that floated, and then take it apart again. Legos had little structural integrity, for that they had to be glued together, which would then never come apart.
      I should mention here that we kids had _great_ glues back then...

    3. Re: If you make do with limited quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only had "megablocks" (the generic knockoff) and the pieces would either never stick together or be so tight you couldn't get them apart.

    4. Re: If you make do with limited quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Erector Sets came in a big red steel box with all sorts of oddities

      My erector set does sometimes gets red, more so when I get to insert it on all sorts of oddities!

  15. Trump loves Legos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They look massive in his tiny hands. Reports say the situation room is full of them. Trump uses them to build huge walls along the southern border.

  16. interact with its fans on the internet by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    In the late 80's I posted a warning to Alt.Home.Repair about a Sears garbage disposal that's inner coating grew and would block it from running (short version)

    Two months later Sears called (phone) to set things straight.

    Note: In those days we could create a finger file (which I put my phone number in). If someone fingered me, they would get that finger file. E-mail addresses at the bottom of ones post custom. A different Internet.

    1. Re:interact with its fans on the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes we remember what a .plan file was. It is fortunate that the finger command is obsolete since the name is a relic from 1970s slang when finger meant to inform on someone. Already by the late 1980s finger had become sexual slang more often than it was used as detective slang.

  17. are legos expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of "rich person's toy" comments here. Are legos expensive? I got a big box of generic legos at a thrift store for $5 twice in the last year. I realize the new sets that cost $50 and up are definitely expensive. Is there some problem with used legos?

    1. Re:are legos expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Some weak troll is trying to spark a flame war.

    2. Re:are legos expensive? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yes, they're full of bacteria and stuff and washing them is a bitch.

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    3. Re:are legos expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there some problem with used legos?

      Yes, they're full of bacteria and stuff and washing them is a bitch.

      So what is the problem with zipping them in a wash bag and run them through the washer (either clotheswasher or dishwasher at an appropriate temperature)?

    4. Re:are legos expensive? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      The fact that they don't get properly cleaned. I've seen grime hanging on the inside of them after washing them using the method you just mentioned.

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    5. Re:are legos expensive? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Don't be afraid of a few germs.

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    6. Re:are legos expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, grew up poor, played with legos. Had a bunch of generic legos with a handful of differently themed kits (pirates, space, etc.) so I could mix and match.

    7. Re:are legos expensive? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Grime does not equal bacteria. Heck if you are so concerned just soak em in Rubbing alcohol for a few minutes, or even overnight. If that doesn't penetrate the grime deep enough to kill the bacteria in question, your kids aren't going to be exposed.

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    8. Re:are legos expensive? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid of those germs infecting my kids, yes. I might be biased because my older son had severe health issues for the first 3 years of his life, before that happened I was a lot more relaxed.

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    9. Re:are legos expensive? by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

      You can read the Official Lego guidelines for cleaning lego bricks. They say not to put them in the laundry machine or dishwasher.

  18. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No you didn't, you didn't fix anything, you just pointed out an error that nobody gives a crap about so you could feel smug about yourself.

  19. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^ Definitely not a Luddite ^

    Apps!

  20. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by fermion · · Score: 0, Troll
    I got an apple because it let me create right out of the box. Shape tables are awesome. Plug in a board and I was burning EPROMs. VisiCalc and excel were first in apple.

    People but h today but nobody solders thier hacks like I did on my apple. People plug in cable or plugin a chip and they think they have built a computer. Give me a break.

    I have python running on my mac, I have gcc. I have LaTex and I don't think nothing beats Texshop.

    The problem with legos now is you don't start with a blank sheet of paper. In terms of teaching creativity, getting people to not be afraid of the blank canvass is a critical step. When you start with a Star Wars kit you lose that blank slate, the kid is not learning to be brave, merely to emulate. Yes you can do whatever, but the pressure is not to.

    You may ask why not just give them a bunch or wood and glue. It is because we do have to scaffold. There might be some emulation needed between duplo and real legos. But what the company has done is give up on its core mission for profit. Which is fine. The good parents can still buy real lego sets.

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  21. $$$ / hr by kaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In dollars per hours played, Legos are dirt cheap.

    I have 3 kids, boys & girls.
    I count about 10000 hours total played.
    Mostly emergent gameplay with existing bricks, not buying & assemblying new sets.

    1. Re:$$$ / hr by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      It has been fun seeing both sides with my children: they love building from the instructions, and then in a few weeks it becomes something else entirely.

    2. Re:$$$ / hr by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Ditto, though it took a little coaching by dad. At first they would get upset when I would attach a Minecraft mini-fig to a Starwars set or vise versa. But now once the kit has been carefully built as per the instructions, it begins to morph. And with their Lego Dimensions game it's a guessing game as to what character or vehicle you will actually get in game when you place it on the portal.

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    3. Re:$$$ / hr by mjwx · · Score: 1

      In dollars per hours played, Legos are dirt cheap.

      I have 3 kids, boys & girls.
      I count about 10000 hours total played.
      Mostly emergent gameplay with existing bricks, not buying & assemblying new sets.

      Also in longevity. I received my first Lego sets in the late 80's... My nephew will get those same pieces sometime after 2020. Other brick sets just weren't built with the same quality.

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  22. Lego for doctors by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My doctor always asks me:

    'On a scale of 1 to stepping on a Lego barefooted, in how much pain are you'?

    1. Re:Lego for doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Lego for doctors by kaur · · Score: 1

      Wrong.
      Adults also learn.
      Moving around in a slow shuffle, always at watch for sharp objects, is an essential parenting skill.

    3. Re:Lego for doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1: I like a doctor that has an actual personality (humor)
      2: You've clearly never embedded a 1x1 brick in your foot.

    4. Re:Lego for doctors by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      The worst is the female minifig hair. Stepping on it activates an artificial intelligence routine that rotates the pokey-est part of the hair to the softest part of your foot. DARPA is investigating the technology to see if it could have wartime uses.

    5. Re:Lego for doctors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I have. However the pain was nowhere near serious enough to make me forget what a mass noun is.

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    6. Re:Lego for doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did the myth that Lego is a mass noun come from?
      One Lego, two Legos, a whole bucketful of Legos!

    7. Re:Lego for doctors by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      I guess you've never been the tooth fairy.

  23. Re: Let's not go too far with the Apple comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, now with all the parts which are not just blocks but dedicated design for the given kit creation is quite limited. And blocks tend to get small which makes it more difficult for the kids as they can't start with a rough and draft version of what they have in mind.

  24. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by jonwil · · Score: 5, Informative

    LEGO has had weapons in sets since the first Castle sets in 1978 (swords, axes and lances as well as shields and armor) and guns (muskets and pistols) since the first Pirates sets in 1989.

    As for "internally developed IPs", LEGO was licensing car and truck brands as well as oil companies and others as far back as 1955. And regarding the claims that they dont make original ideas anymore and only make licensed stuff, themes like City, Creator, Elves, Friends, Nexo Knights, NinjaGo and Technic will prove you wrong on that. (and that's just the themes that have had sets released in 2017).

    In terms of manufacturing, LEGO does not have any factories in Malaysia (they have a theme park there but no factories). They also don't outsource the manufacture of most of their parts or packaging processes (there are some parts that are made by 3rd parties for various reasons but most of them are made directly by LEGO in LEGO-owned factories in Denmark, China, Mexico, the Czech Republic and elsewhere) .

    They also still produce hundreds of general purpose parts like bricks and roof pieces and so on alongside many more special purpose parts that can be used for other things other than the purpose they were designed for. The set I am currently building uses a part originally created as a hammer for Thor in the Super Heroes sets but uses it as an architectural detail rather than a hammer.

  25. Lego is for kids ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
    Fischertechnik is for geeks in training.

    Too bad it's been dumbed down compared to 30 years ago. No more circuit or pneumatic diagrams, no more logic gates.

    1. Re:Lego is for kids ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Too bad it's been dumbed down compared to 30 years ago. No more circuit or pneumatic diagrams, no more logic gates.

      They have programming now. Get real.

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  26. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Lego Technic is the best for creativity. While they do give you instructions for a couple of models, the skills you learn when you build them are the tools you need to turn your imaginary machines into reality.

    Lego kits don't take away creativity, they teach kids mechanical engineering without them realizing they are being taught anything.

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  27. Re: Let's not go too far with the Apple comparison by jonwil · · Score: 2

    If you want a whole bunch of fairly generic parts, you want the Classic sets in the yellow boxes.
    Plenty of fairly generic parts like bricks, roof tiles, windows, doors, wheels, windscreens and other things.

  28. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    The problem with legos now is you don't start with a blank sheet of paper. In terms of teaching creativity, getting people to not be afraid of the blank canvass is a critical step.

    True, but a lot of times, people stop at the blank canvas. Opening a word processor and staring at the cursor on the sea of white and trying to type something creative is almost impossible (it's referred to as writer's block).

    The real problem is creativity strikes randomly. The author who might be stalled at the blank screen on the word processor might suddenly get inspiration in the shower and have a completely fleshed out story while the water runs. Only to find that the moment the tap turns off, it all disappears.

    Instead of sitting and staring at the sheet of paper, though, trying to conjure up a story, what we need to teach is to fidget. Yes, the same energy that goes into spinning the little toy round and round is a form of creative energy. But it's unstructured. It's not conducive to "write a blog article about X" or "build me a space ship". But for a writer, it means writing down lots of crap in a stream of consciousness session that probably makes zero sense, but there you go. Or you take a box of lego, stick two of them together, add another piece, and another piece, and then you have a random thing at the end. Perhaps it then appeals to some other side of you and you get the urge to smash it, or you realize it's the start of something and work on it.

    The main problem though is we've bred out these things - instead of fidgeting or even the act of "being bored" we immediately seek out our phones and play a game as an outlet to our energies. A simple act of boredom, letting the mind wander, or taking a pen and drawing circles and squares, or otherwise unstructured creative (and play) time, and we've pretty much tried to eliminate it from all aspects of our lives. Because it's unstructured, and generally not useful, but it's far easier to have a kernel to start with from such endeavors than to actually try to start writing the next great novel starting from a blank page and trying to be productive immediately.

    That's why Lego and other creative tools almost never start blank - because the people playing with them almost never can do anything else until you give them some structured thing and then they let their mind wander into unstructured thinking. (E.g., you assemble some parts, see it forms something that looks like a gun even though it isn't, and start making pew-pew noises at your friend and the whole thing devolves into a finger gun fight).

  29. The story reinvents itself as well by amorsen · · Score: 2

    The turnaround story has changed a lot over the years. They no longer talk about their failed outsourcing strategy or about how their push for extreme automation made their production lines so inflexible that they were constantly producing the wrong products.

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    1. Re:The story reinvents itself as well by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      The turnaround story has changed a lot over the years. They no longer talk about their failed outsourcing strategy or about how their push for extreme automation made their production lines so inflexible that they were constantly producing the wrong products.

      This version did mention it indirectly by saying they now prefer to produce locally so they can always have the right products on the shelves at the right time.

    2. Re:The story reinvents itself as well by amorsen · · Score: 1

      That is not how it happened, though. They outsourced and discovered that their bricks no longer stuck together properly.

      As for the thing about producing locally, Technic at least tends to come from all over the place, if you buy it in Denmark or England.

      The Lego reinvention story is primarily a marketing device.

      By the way, I completely support Lego, I think the vast majority of what they do is great and that they manage to act ethically most of the time.

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  30. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Indeed. And Lego kits, with the exception of the tub-o'-bricks, have always been like that: you got a box with pieces and instructions for building one or two models with it. After that, you're on your own.

    What is a bit different nowadays is how kids play with it. When we got a new Lego box, we'd build the model from plans once, then the bricks would disappear into a huge drawer with the rest of the Lego, to be used for building whatever took our fancy. And we learned to build a lot just by trying: spin locks, differential gears, the obligatory repeating crossbow... And every kid on our block was like that. However kids today treat Lego more like Revell kits: you build it once, then display it. Though I have no idea if that's a generational thing and if all kids arel like that, or if it's just the kids I happen to know.

    Maybe what GP means is that at some point Lego introduced far too many special blocks, like A "Death Star, top left blast shield panel" brick that is pretty much only good for exactly that purpose, precluding re-use for some other design. But they have realised that mistake a good while ago, and vastly reduced the number of special bricks. And the Technic line is better than it ever was. My wife gave me a big kit for my birthday (yeah I'm spoiled...) and I was amazed at the cleverness of the design compared to the Technic kits of 30 years ago.

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  31. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they really teach something or is that just bs? As in, will the kid that was gifted lego technic learn something that gaves him advantage?

  32. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by fafalone · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I'd take the hookers, drug dealers, and porn shops over the tourists, costumed characters, chain stores (well, i like the M&M store), desnudas, and police with automatic weapons any day. Not to mention the disgusting assault on free speech that has occurred now, where they painted (small) boxes on the ground and said anyone performing had to stay in the lines or be arrested, making it even worse now, of course they're all people who can't afford a lawyer to challenge it.. De Blasio just following in the fine Giuliani tradition of ruining things by making them more tourist friendly.

  33. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As for "internally developed IPs", LEGO was licensing car and truck brands as well as oil companies and others as far back as 1955.

    And now I've grown up, I only run my card on genuine Octan fuel oils!

  34. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by Freischutz · · Score: 1

    Lego still allows the user to exercise their own creativity. You might buy a Star Destroyer kit, but you can build other things with it.

    Ain't that the truth. I rather liked this idea: http://www.thebricktestament.c...

    The part about camp deification was amusing: http://www.thebricktestament.c...

  35. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    The problem with legos now is you don't start with a blank sheet of paper.

    The problem with computers now is you don't start with a blank sheet of paper. Pesky OS! I just expect to be dumped into BASIC!

    what the company has done is give up on its core mission for profit. Which is fine. The good parents can still buy real lego sets.

    It doesn't sound like they've given up on anything at all.

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  36. Turn Around by oshkrozz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although mentioned in passing that Lego is a private company, that very fact is what has kept them around for so long. The customers of Lego are the actual people that buy the products and services, not the boardroom. This has given them far more flexibility then quarterly earning reports would.

  37. shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guardian crashes firefox.

  38. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by hipp5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    their original goals (no weapons, internally developed IPs, doing good by their employees, etc.)

    They outsourced their manufacturing and assembly plants to malaysia and similiar, gutted their American and some of their European workforce, eliminated many of their general purpose parts in exchange for special purpose parts, etc.

    And technically all this stuff was already going on back in the late 90s (Star Wars LEGOs anyone?)

    The big difference post-'03 is they started 'Disneyfying' themselves, theme parks everywhere, LEGO stores set up with a minimalist kid-friendly feel, local club activities to help reinforce that 'cult' feel.

    They actually turned themselves around by doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything you just said. In the early 2000s their parts catalog ballooned with special-purpose parts, they were opening theme parks left and right, they blew their wad on all sorts of ill-thought-out side projects, and they lost their handle on their supply chain. This is where the $800 in debt and weak sales came from.

    They were lucky that at the same time they started making the Star Wars sets, which provided the cash to float them through this otherwise-disasterly period. They saved themselves by really clamping down on special purpose parts, by shuttering or selling most of their theme parks, and by focusing on building a quality core brand.

  39. I think they're just waiting for the right time. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    They must have a design by now that doesn't hurt when you step on it and are just waiting for the right time to release it.

    Their business would double overnight from everyone having to rebuy and the large number of parents that would now be ok having them in their house.

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  40. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    The part of the Apple comparison I was most interested in was the claim about profits. They're trying to tell us that topping $1 billion in sales (i.e. revenue) for the first time was sufficient to top Apple's profits in 2008-2010, right as the iPhone was gaining traction? I'm not buying it.

    In the fourth quarter of 2009 alone, Apple posted profits of $1.67 billion on $9.87 billion in revenue, which would already be enough to top LEGO's sales numbers for the entire year. I don't see how one billion in annual sales could have resulted in LEGO topping Apple's quarterly profits, let alone their annual profits.

  41. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was more "No war", as in nothing that depicts actual or modern warfare. Yes they have pirates, knights of all crests, and orange transparent chainsaws, but all of them are portrayed in a romanticized or fantastical manner.

  42. Insert stupid but mandatory subject here by null+etc. · · Score: 1

    "It’s about discovering what’s obviously Lego, but has never been seen before."

    https://www.fastcompany.com/30...

  43. Sigh by ledow · · Score: 1

    Company that sells bricks sells more bricks when they sell bricks that people want to buy.

    Honestly, I should sell my services as a consultant.

  44. LEGO Brickmentary 2014 by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Excellent documentary about the interaction of Lego user clubs and the parent company. I hope to attend a lego convention one of these years.

  45. Re: Let's not go too far with the Apple comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people should stop spouting this utter bullshit. You clearly know jack shit about lego. Just because something looks unlike a square brick, doesn't mean it's not a generic part. All sets you can find in stores are built out of generic parts. There is no such thing as a part that only works for one set. Even in the RARE case you find a part that only exists in one set (those are like fucking unicorns: if you think you've found one, guess what, it probably isn't), you can still use it in any way you want.

    Educate yourself.

  46. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    Legoland in Florida is some of the best bang for your buck of any theme park I can think of. Universal has better rides, but it's more expensive. Six Flags has longer lines, and no sense of exploration. EPCOT has the nerd factor, but is more expensive. Sea World doesn't have as many rides, and I don't like getting splashed with salt water.

  47. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    This is heresy, and I beg forgiveness from my fellow AFOLs. One of my favorite sets was actually the Mega Blocks mechanized warfare set. You could make tanks and other "modern warfare" machines. They were in olive drab and everything. I also liked that they had half-height plates, which gave a different feel to things. I made the mistake of offering these to somebody in a BrickLink forum. Nearly got banned from the site. LOL.

  48. KRAGLE by tepples · · Score: 1

    However kids today treat Lego more like Revell kits: you build it once, then display it.

    Hence the recent feature-length public service announcement not to build something according to Instructions only to freeze it in place with KRAzyGLuE.

  49. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by fermion · · Score: 1
    I grew up with only a tub of bricks. Me and my friends never had trouble building anything we wanted. Same for the erector set.

    The problem with this from Lego point of view is they only sold one tub per family. Now they sell many sets per family

    I know people have trouble with a blank canvass that us because they did not do enough free play, which Legos can be a part.

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  50. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    LEGO has had weapons in sets since the first Castle sets in 1978 (swords, axes and lances as well as shields and armor) and guns (muskets and pistols) since the first Pirates sets in 1989.

    They don't have modern day weapons.

    I thought they had a bazooka in the space range, but it was apparently a video camera. I swear I never had that 2x1 flattie with the spools on it.

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  51. Re: Let's not go too far with the Apple comparison by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The constructor series are great if you want something exciting (cars, robots, scorpions) out of the box but are still generic enough that you can reuse them.

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  52. Construx Still Rocks Legos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one, who thinks Legos are a cool but niche item? Construx and Erector sets man, that's where it was at!

  53. Re:Let's not go too far with the Apple comparisons by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    That's silly . It was always the same path: Get a set, build the set as instructed. Almost immediately start modifying it more and more. Then "crash" it, and try to rebuild without the instructions. Then crash again and build variants.
    Eventually it's pieces worked their way into a group of pieces.

  54. Re:They turned around by finishing the compromise by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    In my opinion, the "Disneyfying" and turnaround began with the Lego Star Wars video game in 2005. It did more, in my opinion, for the brand than anything else. Practically everyone I knew had a copy, even people who weren't big lego fans. The Star Wars co-branding, in my opinion, has been one of the biggest pieces. The Lego movies, mindstorms, etc. all add to the bottom line but it all started with the video games.

    I will say that this is because the game was fun, not because it was Star Wars or Lego, although being both helped. I remember being at a friends house with a group where they had it and we all played it. It was simple and fun and at least two of the people there went out and bought it because of that. I have also heard friends speak of buying the newest Lego game because they have had so much fun playing the earlier ones.

  55. Re: Let's not go too far with the Apple comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends on how you use it. If all you build is the instructions included model. Then you will learn a bit about organizing parts. Visually modelling things in 3d for spatial awareness, etc.

    If, when you are done, you also build cars. Sans wheels, and fling them at the wall and each other with a friend (sliding across the floor), then you will learn about material science and how to build a car that smashes the other guys car. Essentially anti crumple zones, stress deformation. Etc.

    You can also learn how to make sub assemblies and then connect those. Build a column, then another and another...
    Or build all the columns and then use them to support the second floor.

    Basic software modularity, abstraction and encapsulation.

    They are great ways if seeing if your kid is interested in something. If they don't care for LEGO, try getting them drawing or paint tools and a guide to serving coffee. Only (mostly) kidding on that last part.