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Arctic Climate Change Study Canceled Due to Climate Change (livescience.com)
A Canadian expedition to study climate change in the Arctic has been canceled due to climate change. Specifically, the icebreaker CCGS Amundsen had to be cancelled "due to complications associated with the southward motion of hazardous Arctic sea ice," reports University of Manitoba. From the report: This regrettably postpones the much-anticipated Hudson Bay System Study (BaySys) involving 40 scientists from five universities across Canada. Timing was key for this $17 million, four-year, University of Manitoba-led project. The need to deal with extreme ice conditions in the south meant the ship would arrive too late on site to meet research objectives. This year the Expedition Logistics and Science Teams accelerated the mobilization of the 2017 Arctic Expedition to permit departure of the Amundsen six days ahead of schedule. This would allow CCG to carry out critical marine safety and security operations in the unusually severe ice conditions in the Strait of Belle Isle and along the northeast coast of Newfoundland before beginning the Science Mission. Unfortunately, the conditions required much more extended support than anticipated. Fleet management issues and inadequate alternative ships forced the cancellation of the science program due to significant safety concerns. This decision to cancel the BaySys 2017 program was not made lightly. Although the cancellation was due to circumstances beyond control of the Expedition Team, every effort was made to develop a viable option to allow this valuable work to proceed.
You heard it here first, and if you disagree you're a science-denier who should be sent to the reeducation camps.
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Well I guess that's a new reason to say "nothing to see here" compared to the usual denialist crap.
And by climate change, you mean global cooling. It makes perfect sense that global cooling would result in more sea ice at lower latitudes. And the cyclical nature of Earth's climate shows that we're due for another period of cooling, as we've seen over the past several hundred thousand years. This actually makes complete sense to me.
If you read between all of the weasel wording, the real story is that some Warming Alarmists actually believed the hype about all of the sea ice melting - so when lots more ice came back the mission they had predicated on ice not returning, was totally screwed.
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They saved 4 years and $17 million.
Sounds like the best spin they could come up with, lest they generate another disastrous round of headlines like these:
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If you read between all of the weasel wording, the real story is that some Warming Alarmists actually believed the hype about all of the sea ice melting - so when lots more ice came back the mission they had predicated on ice not returning, was totally screwed.
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what the story said. It said that due to increased ice melt the remaining ice was much more mobile and was reaching further south than they had expected.
Exactly. And if there was no ice then it must have warmed enough for it all to melt. Totally a win-win. Either way - climate change.
That's unpossible, everybody knows the artic was supposed to be absolutely iceless already, especially in summer.
Intellectuals said so years ago, and they are literally never wrong about these things by even a tiny bit.
Clearly Trump dropped a bunch of ice up there to make it look like they were wrong, the bugger!
Maybe attempting to kill some more republican politicians is the answer!
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"I got ice out of the pop machine at 7-11, so there can't be global warming. Boom, you alarmist libtards!"
You are welcome on my lawn.
I thought Al Gore said all the ice was melted? I guess not. And Yoesemite park is still snowed under in the middle of June. So much for "global warming".
I'm going to miss all you fruitcakes when you've moved on to the next cause célèbre. You guys are always good for a chuckle!
Liar. The story says the exact opposite of what you claim.
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Why not send the CCGS DES GROSEILLIERS?
It's a class 3 vessel.
It's just sitting in Quebec City doing fuck all!
The ice is too thick to get through. The ice that Al Gore said would be gone in 2014, "American Experts" said would be gone in 2013, NASA said would be gone in 2012, and "Norwegian Experts" said would be gone in 2008.
And what is the penalty for being a false prophet?
The issue is the amount of free ice that's broken away and heading south. Not that there's too much ice up north.
Sure, why not? Everything contributes to climate change.
The title "Arctic Climate Change Study Canceled Due to Climate Change" can be read as, "The global warming got so bad we can't even study it safely any more." How it should be read is more like, "Because the ice is not melting as predicted, and heavy ice was encountered, the study into sea ice losses had to be canceled."
The title should then read as, "Study Into Sea Ice Losses Canceled Due to Unexpected Ice Thickness Discovered."
Remind me of a podcast I heard last week, Dennis Prager talked about having to do a speech in New Jersey when the radio and TV news was warning people about an impending severe winter storm. He goes to drive there from New York and finds the weather pleasant and the traffic light. He gets to his destination with plenty of time to spare so he goes to a bookstore to kill some time. The store is empty of other customers so he asks one of the employees why. She told him because people will believe what they hear on the radio above what they see with their own eyes.
This insanity of believing what we are told when our own eyes tell us different has gone so far that people make up nonsense on trying to explain the heavy ice in the Arctic as "evidence" of continued global warming and loss of sea ice. The comments on the linked site are all mocking the "news" article. It's an opinion article that is pretending to give the news. If it was actual news then the title would not be so misleading. If it was a news article then they'd have printed a quote from someone with a dissenting opinion.
Articles like this deserve mockery. People have become very tired of being lied to by news sources. I now have little doubt that the public has been lied to by news sources for a very long time. What has changed now is that people have enough wealth, freedom, and technology that they do not have to rely on major news outlets to know about the world, they can do it themselves. If the Jurassic media cannot learn to stop lying to people then they will become irrelevant.
Another thing, they keep talking about "climate change" as if the climate is not supposed to change. What they are really talking about is global warming but the globe stopped warming 20 years ago. To cover for this they use the term climate change which then gets them caught in this laughable situation of talking about heavy ice stopping a study into ice losses, because of "climate change".
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A headline like this brings out the Climate Change deniers in full force. Too bad they'll now have to miss their Chemtrail and Moon Landing Conspiracy meetings due to their efforts to trash Slashdot.
I'll probably be modded down almost instantly for daring to point this out.
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...but it was cancelled because of snow.
Well done, not reading the article and substituting your preconceived notions which are the opposite of what the article says:
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The icebreaker was supposed to navigate from Quebec City, down the St Lawrence River, up the east coast of Canada, and into Hudson's Bay for the research mission. But shit happens...
> The icebreaker was soon diverted. Dense ice -- up to 8 metres (25ft) thick -- had filled the
> waters off the northern coast of Newfoundland, trapping fishing boats and ferries.
>
> "It was a really dramatic situation," said David Barber, the expedition's chief scientist.
> "We were getting search and rescue calls from fishing boats that were stranded in the
> ice and tankers that were stranded trying to get fuel into the communities. Nobody
> could manage this ice because it was far too heavy to get through."
[...snip...]
> The decision to cancel the first leg of the expedition was made after it became clear that
> continuing north would interrupt search and rescue operations and probably put lives at risk.
The first priority of the CCGS icebreaker is search and rescue, and there happened to be more work than anticipated, so the research mission was cancelled.
For those of you wondering, no, it is not a good idea to charter an "ice-reinforced ship", when you want to get up close to the ice and do first-hand measurements. You need a real icebreaker. The Akedemik Shokalskiy fiasco http://news.nationalgeographic... is still fresh in people's minds.
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Seems like every planed study of the arctic get canceled, it is almost as if..... they don't want proof that man made climate change is false. Who am I kidding, they would just edit the data to say planet is warming when it isn't so they keep getting funding.
I am still waiting for some scientific tests to prove man made climate change. Too many depend on climate change to get rich to believe any of it without any real science.
Har har. Too bad, boffins. No taxpayer-financed field trip for you. You'll have to stay home and sulk. Maybe you could try to get a REAL job, hmmm?
Not the best closest description. Define Catastrophe. And do you need an actual catastrophe of all the banks failing to decide that you will bail them out BEFORE that happens, preventing the catastrophe? Do you wait until AFTER you've ploughed into the car in the other lane at 60mph to decide that this WAS a catastrophe at all and you had needed to swerve or hit the brakes?
Dumbass.
A skeptic would ask for the CRU data that all IPCC predictions are made of so the methods could be double checked. They would then question why that data was deleted 5 years after being asked for in a FOIA request, and was deleted just months before a judge was going to rule on the FOIA request and force the CRU to release it. A skeptic would then assume the research was falsified since they removed any chance to replicate the research or double check the methods. Especially relevant since warming is WELL below every possible "best case" the IPCC has ever reported.
A truth-denier would call people who point this out names.
Which one are you? The fact I have yet to hear a valid response to this situation after about 8 years of asking if this is the valid way to do science has convinced me AGW is a fraud. Did you know all IPCC research is based on this fraudulent CRU situation?
Funny how I know more about what happens in climate research than people like you who claim you know all and I know nothing.
When in the history of the planet has the climate not changed? Can someone explain ? We know the planet has been tropical, icy and all points in between
that and icebreaker couldn't go out because there was too much ice. What kind of icebreaker can't sail near ice? Did they forget what the ship is designed for?
Which is what you'd need to do to not be a hypocrite when you complain about global warming.
I for one, cannot fathom giving these things up. I'm neither a denier nor a global warming warrior. But, if you're not contributing by not do it these things, then STFU re 'we need to...'
My coffee got cold before I could finish drinking it this morning. I'm blaming it on Climate Change.
Everyone, including noted climate scientist Al Gore, told us all as recently as last week that all the ice up there was melting!
1.) The coast guard ship the expedition was travelling on was requested to divert to the Belle Isle Strait to assist other ships that were stranded by ice. The expedition itself was only affected by not having a ship available to them to take them where they wanted to go, they decided to change plans and while still on board the coast guard ship decided to study the ice in Belle Isle Strait.
2.) Ice is normal in Belle Isle Strait and varies in intensity every year between April through June.
3.) Someone that was a part of the expedition claims the ice they saw in Belle Isle Strait had many layers which would seem to indicate it came from the high arctic and that is somehow unusual, when in fact, that's where it all comes from.
On a side note, here is an informative excerpt from a book on Amazon about the ice that flows through Belle Isle Strait: https://books.google.com/books?id=py8ukChGA_cC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=Strait+of+Belle+Isle+arctic+ice+june+-study&source=bl&ots=4I6vwPBkCs&sig=lDAclGL_GSj0NNEw9Dec2Sr4NPA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhh-mr1cLUAhVIxYMKHdN2AhcQ6AEIVDAL#v=onepage&q=Strait%20of%20Belle%20Isle%20arctic%20ice%20june%20-study&f=false
The term "climate change" was arguably a master stroke of marketing. The earlier version "global warming" had the inherent flaw that if the temperatures stopped rising consistently, people would stop believing it. By rebranding it as "climate change," any variation in climate that the promoters didn't like could easily be attributed to it regardless of the underlying causes. But at some point, as a researcher, you'd have to be able to prove to your donors that you've achieved your research goals. Vague goals or no goals eventually runs out of Schlitz. And when nature borks your research expedition, kiss the grant funding goodbye.
If all of Al Gore's predictions had come true: New York city would be under water, there would be zero ice in the Arctic (not the largest ice increase since they began measuring), Polar Bears would be extinct - not with the highest population they have ever had .. and on and on.
The Global Warmers want to have it both ways .. either the ice is gone or it's there and increasing.. when You find out that Your ridiculous climate models were totally wrong .. the easy answer is: "It's Climate Change" .. no it's bullshit. As the retired head of Greenpeace has stated: Global Warming is a joke, the scientific models are all completely wrong.
It's amazing when science can say: "We predict it will be black", then when it turns out to be "white" they say: See We told You so.