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Former CenturyLink Employee Accuses Company of Running a Wells Fargo-Like Scheme (bloomberg.com)

A former CenturyLink employee has filed a lawsuit this week claiming she was fired for "blowing the whistle on the telecommunications company's high-pressure sales culture that left customers paying millions of dollars for accounts they didn't request," reports Bloomberg. From the report: The plaintiff, Heidi Heiser, worked from her home for CenturyLink as a customer service and sales agent from August 2015 to October 2016. The suit claims she was fired days after notifying Chief Executive Officer Glen Post of the alleged scheme during a companywide question-and-answer session held on an internal message board. The complaint alleges CenturyLink "allowed persons who had a personal incentive to add services or lines to customer accounts to falsely indicate on the CenturyLink system the approval by a customer of new lines or services." This would sometimes result in charges that hadn't been authorized by customers, according to the complaint. Heiser's complaint alleges that she became increasingly concerned about what she observed at CenturyLink after news of Wells Fargo & Co.'s regulatory troubles broke in September. In that case, Wells Fargo employees opened deposit and credit card accounts without customers' consent to earn incentives and meet sales goals. Without admitting wrongdoing, Wells Fargo ended up firing more than 5,000 employees and agreeing to pay $185 million in fines, in addition to compensating customers for fees related to the unauthorized accounts. The complaint likens what Heiser said CenturyLink sales agents did to the Wells Fargo scandal and estimated the alleged unauthorized fees amounted to "many millions" of dollars. She says her concerns were bolstered by posts she had read on review websites.

61 comments

  1. There is more by darkain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Besides signing up entire new accounts, they add services to existing accounts without asking. They also will up-sell you on "free" services that require service fees up the ass. I've been fighting with them for months to remove all this bullshit off of a family member's bill. On top of that, they are charging sales tax on arbitrary amounts on the bill, and their percentages between state and local (both of which SHOULD be based on the same initial figure) don't calculate out properly at all. I've tried going into the store, calling tech support, calling billing support, and when I ask, they all just hang up on me (or when I went into the physical store, the guy just called their billing department, which I already did, and then handed me the phone and refused to speak with me about the billing questions)

    1. Re:There is more by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Doesn't anybody call the Better Business Bureau anymore? Rumor had it that they were pretty effective at shutting this shit down. Or have they been gutted too?

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    2. Re: There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you escalated to the state/federal regulators? If so are they helping in any way? I seriously think that white collar crimes like these call for prison time. The 2008 crisis and the Wells Fargo scandal have only proven that the most you risk for cheating others to get rich will at the most make you keep the money and let find an other scam job.

    3. Re:There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're a private organization with no real authority. They can't do anything besides giving a business a bad rating.

    4. Re:There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... is this the new AOL? I can remember almost days/weeks on the phone trying to rid myself of that plague. This was considered "normal" 15 years ago as you just had to have the intestinal fortitude to rid yourself of the tick-bite that was AOL back in the mid 2000's.

      https://www.infopackets.com/news/1354/aol-once-you-join-you-cant-leave

    5. Re:There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Better Business Bureau is a joke.

      A business has to pay to be a member od the BBB. If a business is not a member, the BBB won't do shit. If you have a complaint, whose side do you think the BBB will take? Your or someone who gives them money?

    6. Re:There is more by RobRyland · · Score: 1

      file a lawsuit.
      far more effective than complaining.

    7. Re:There is more by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Funny

      The BBB is a scam like Yelp. You pay them to improve your rating.

      Now don't get me wrong, you should still post your complaint with the BBB, Yelp, the Federal Trade Commission, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.

    8. Re:There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure where you live, but small claims court is really something that works to level the playing field. Often just filing a suit will get the ass-clowns in charge to "fix" the problem.

    9. Re:There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, verizon is technically the 'new aol', although its cancellation policies and/or difficulties have been adopted by comcast and others.

    10. Re: There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares. Creating fake accounts to scam you slaves out your fake money is a normal capitalist business practice.

      Cry to your slave buddies whatever you like.

    11. Re: There is more by UnifiedTechs · · Score: 1

      File a report with the FCC, I had a billing issue with AT&T we could not get resolved. One FCC report later the Presidents office called me back and promised it would be fixed, next month it was still happening and before I even got the bill they called me back again to say that they would zero that bill and the next month is was fixed.

    12. Re: There is more by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Think we'll still get kind of service from the FCC now?

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    13. Re: There is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. Trump only appoints major contributors and cares nothing for what they will do. It's all pay for play and more.

  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm already paying CenturyLink way too much for the services I actually requested!

    1. Re:Why? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      No, you're not.

      If you're paying them, it's not too much for you...

      So stop paying them.

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  3. Have Experienced This by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We recently tried to pare back our CenturyLink service from their antiquated dsl and a landline to just the barest of landlines. The order confirmation twice has consisted of a bunch of extra stuff like a long distance plan, etc. It has almost been like their order taking staff made up after the fact what they wanted us to have rather than what we ordered.

    It's become apparent ( and is in part the reason we've finally shut off their dsl and lept into the maw of Xfinity!) that really corrupt shit has been happening at CL. Customer service so bad it has seemed like they just didn't want to sell services over copper anymore.

    1. Re:Have Experienced This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use CenturyLink. But I hate them. The only reason I use them is because where I live I get exactly two choices, CenturyLink or Comcast!

      There is no justice in this world.

    2. Re:Have Experienced This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's really funny is that when the buyout of qwest was announced, all you idiots in their market were acting like centurylink was going to be your savior -- while those in original centurytel markets knew better. their entire corporate history and family tree of acquisitions is full of shit-tier telecoms.

    3. Re: Have Experienced This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you. I only have century link. As a result they feel it's fair to charge me $75 a month for a 4 Mbs connection. Sometimes, early in the morning, I even get high threes.

    4. Re: Have Experienced This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Took me three months for them to cancel my landline. Cancelled it, unplugged the phone and never used it again. Still got billed three times. First they tried to say "well, you were still using it", I argued no, look at your records and tell me what usage I had. Said the had to do an audit. Two months later I asked to speak to Supervisor and threatened to take issue to media, attorney general and that wouldn't be good publicity at a time they are trying to move into larger markets. That finally did the trick.

  4. Nothing will come of it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Let's look at Wells Fargo, with all its money laundering and phony accounts, and they are doing better than ever, just like all the other crooked banks. Extortion works, eh? However CenturyLink, whoever thy are, is a two bit player. They can't bring down the economy like Wells Fargo can. So if the story is true, somebody might actually go to jail for it, but I doubt it. This kind of fraud is pretty standard stuff.

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    1. Re: Nothing will come of it by christopher.andrew.c · · Score: 1

      CenturyLink = Pacific Northwest Bell + West Bell --> Mountain Bell --> US West Communications --> Qwest --> CenturyLink

    2. Re:Nothing will come of it by magusxxx · · Score: 1

      Actually, Wells Fargo just got done firing a bunch of people. Also, the local Wells Fargos were renting their change counting machine. (Huh?!!?) They didn't renew the contract. So now when you bring in change someone will sit down and help you fill up some trays. I almost feel like applying for that job. I wonder if it comes with benefits.

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    3. Re:Nothing will come of it by starblazer · · Score: 1

      for what it's worth, BMO Harris does also. They are also removing them as they have signs in all the branches.

    4. Re:Nothing will come of it by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Wells Fargos were renting their change counting machine. (Huh?!!?)

      This isn't really surprising. It allows you to convert the purchase of a capital asset into an operational expense. Presumably this lease also included service and possibly installation and removal at the end of a lease. We do the same thing with our large multi-function printers.

    5. Re:Nothing will come of it by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      They also get machines maintained as part of the lease. Fixed cost, predictable.

      Until they decide to replace them with a simpler device - tray. And you fill the tray.

      They don't really want your bulk change anyways...

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    6. Re:Nothing will come of it by jon3k · · Score: 1

      They also get machines maintained as part of the lease.

      Agreed, that's what I meant by "service" in my original post. This isn't an unusual arrangement at all.

    7. Re: Nothing will come of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A recent report on WCCO news said they are down in sales by 30% and they have not recovered customer loss from the incident. Their customer satisfaction and trust surveys are still rating them below average.

    8. Re:Nothing will come of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny story about those change counting machines and why the contract wasn't renewed.

      A TV news station got some viewer complaints that these machines were ripping people off, so they sent a crew with a hidden camera into a couple WF branches to investigate the claims. They would count out a precise amount of change, deposit it in the machine, and see what it claimed the total was. Sure enough, the machines were under-counting the amount of change you put in. They approached WF who had a predictable response: "Hey, these things happen. Machines, amirite? What're ya gonna do? Shrug."

      Well the news crew followed up and visited all of the WF branches in the city, doing the same test on all of the machines. It turns out, while the ones they'd been tipped off about were under-counting and ripping off customers, most of these machines were over-counting, and issuing receipts for more change than was deposited. When that story aired, WF suddenly changed their tune! No more "hey, shit happens," now it was a big problem, because WF was the one losing out. The contracts weren't renewed and now WF doesn't have any change counting machines.

  5. Door-to-door tactics are also suspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NextDoor is *full* of stories of people who signed up for service with "special package" offered door-to-door, only to receive bills that have a pile of extra crap on them, equating to 3-4X the agreed-upon monthly price. People are spending hours and hours on the phone transfered all over the place, told that it's "fixed", then get the same bill (or higher) the next month. This goes on for month after month for a lot of people.

    Now, I just signed up for gig fiber and nothing else through their website (yes, it's stupidly fast, even over long-haul. for now.). I will be watching my bill like a HAWK and simply refusing to pay for anything I did not sign up for. I have screenshots of each stage in the order process which show *exactly* what I ordered and how much I should be paying (of course, taxes and "fees" aren't shown...) and will go to the BBB and PUC at the first sign of trouble.

    1. Re:Door-to-door tactics are also suspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't waste your time with the BBB, they haven't been relevant for decades, I'm have no idea why after all this time anyone thinks they can do anything. A "member" company (who pays them protection money, er I mean membership fees) gets a better rating. And anyone who isn't a member, they are completely toothless to do anything.

      The PUC (assuming it isn't run by lazy fucks who don't care) is the only place with the power to do anything, they are the part of your state government that is supposed to keep them in check. They should be drooling to kick a misbehaving telco in the ass, just keep good records.

  6. Set the finance industry free by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like a perfect time for more deregulation. And maybe another round of bailouts.

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    1. Re: Set the finance industry free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting the intermediate step: lots of guaranteed bonuses

  7. This is worse since they have a government-granted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    monopoly. On my street in Seattle, CenturyLink only provides "up to 1.5 Mbps" DSL:

    http://imgur.com/WgSvnA5

    Even that isn't reliable so I had to drop back down to dial-up again. It sucks that CenturyLink has taken so much money in taxes to provide universal service, but they are not offering it.

  8. All the big providers do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called the "Welcome to America" package where I work.

  9. Re:This is worse since they have a government-gran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And even worse is the fact that Comcast has the govenrment-granted monopoly over most of the city, but they don't offer service to anywhere near all of it.

  10. I had this exact experience by shellster_dude · · Score: 1

    CenturyLink charged me for services they never rendered, then didn't cancel them when I called it, and I had to fight them for months to get the service shutdown, then they would only refund the last three months. They also added a phone line after I explicitly told them not to.

    1. Re:I had this exact experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, this is what the small claims court is for.

    2. Re:I had this exact experience by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, this is wire fraud/mail fraud and theft. This is not for small claims, this is for the AG and a massive fucking lawsuit.

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    3. Re:I had this exact experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll pretend that "something went wrong with their process" and "a few unfortunate things may have happened", blame some sales guy in a store in nebraska for the entire thing, and nothing at all will happen to solve this.

      This is not for the AG and a lawsuit.

      This is for ropes, horses, and the entire C-level's loved ones at the pillory.

    4. Re:I had this exact experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not for small claims, this is for the AG and a massive fucking lawsuit.

      That or criminal charges. For many years now we have been seeing a repeating pattern of businesses violating fundamental rights of customers with fraudulent charges - which necessarily includes any charges for services not used and especially those not requested. First it was a major American online service, then online dating services, then cable and internet services. Even hotel chains have gotten into the act, with their "resort fees" being mandatory whether one signed up or not and whether one uses the services or not.

      The right to not be subject to fraud arises under the 9th Amendment. The right to not have one's time wasted arises under the 9th Amendment.

      Nothing in the 9th Amendment prevents the assertion of rights against private entities.

      Further, a right can be asserted under the 9th Amendment that no person responsible for a serious violation of fundamental rights can hold any position of public trust or responsibility, including a management or executive position in any publicly held company. Further, executives and managers in such companies have a responsibility to make sure that their employees are not violating the law (due diligence) or be disqualified from holding any such position.

      The Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land, superseding lessor law when they come into conflict.

      Violation of fundamental rights "under the colour of law" is already actionable as both a civil action and in terms of criminal charges. As such, violation of these rights in the name of contract law, or any other law below the level of the Bill of Rights is already illegal: no contract can lead to the surrender of such rights.

      Is government in the USA so corrupt and incompetent that it can not enforce the laws already on the books?

  11. Poor customer service is intentional, IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    had to go AC to not waste the mod points I already spent, but I'm so sick of dealing with CenturyLink that I'd just rather accept paying a few more dollars on my bill rather than fighting their customer DIS-service reps over it.

    They've just made themselves so hard to deal with and I have no other choice besides Comcast whose customer DIS-service is just as bad.

    I noticed the other day my internet connection was slow. I'm paying for 45 Mbps down, but I'm getting between 10-15 instead. It used to be that fast, but now it's not and it is simply not worth it to me to spend the time to try to convince CenturyLink that they're not delivering what I'm paying for.

    One of the things they always say that pisses me off the most is "There's no reported outages in your area". We'll, I'm fucking reporting an outage in my area now!

    The last time this happened it was 9 hours before they acknowledged there was in fact an outage in my "area".

    1. Re:Poor customer service is intentional, IMO by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      CL went down in my area on Super Bowl Sunday, from the night before to the night after.

      Still no credit. Still not even acknowledgement.

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  12. Wells Fargo still glued to corporate edicts by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have accounts at Wells Fargo, mostly because I'm too lazy to move them to a credit union. I keep high balances so it's free, and the branch is convenient.

    I recently sold a boat and had to pay the loan off at another bank as quickly as possible to get the lien release for the buyer. I went into the bank that held the note, and they said they could process the lien release same day if I wired the money to pay off the loan. They gave me their wire transfer info, and I went into Wells to wire the money.

    Wells wanted $30 for the transfer of $19,800. I complained, long time customer, etc, and they wouldn't waive it. So I said "OK, why don't you just give me $19,800 in cash. You could, of course, just do the wire transfer for nothing because it would save your employees the labor of counting the cash and the Treasury reporting for cash withdrawals in excess of $10,000."

    They still refused, so I took the cash. They tried to give it to me with just a money counter total, but I made the teller count it manually in front of me, too.

    1. Re:Wells Fargo still glued to corporate edicts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stuff like this is really brainless. I had an issue a few years back where I needed to get a replacement credit card -- after toodling around in my wallet for a couple years my card had developed a crack. I called to get a replacement and the asshats tried to charge me for a new card. It wasn't a lot -- $5 if I remember right -- but that's hardly the point. I tried to get them to waive the fee, the customer service person was a complete cunthammer, and I told her to fuck off and cancel my account. She seemed surprised to say the least. Fucking clowns.

    2. Re:Wells Fargo still glued to corporate edicts by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For anyone who moves from the UK and probably many other European countries), banking in the USA seems like it is a time warp, It feels like you have stepped 20 years back in time.

      From my home, I can log into my bank's website. From there, I can initiate transfers, either domestically at no charge, or internationally. It uses 2-factor authentication: the bank gave me a little card reader and I use this to validate that I have one of my bank cards.

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    3. Re:Wells Fargo still glued to corporate edicts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe europe does the wrong kind of "banking"

      bitcoin?

  13. Wells and CL race to the bottom by cosmicl · · Score: 1

    I have the dubious pleasure of "enjoying" the services of Wells and Century Link. A few years ago, I could not walk into that bank without an employee, under the guise of better customer "service" trying to hawk credit cards, various of combined account services, and other crap. Even the tellers. For internet the choices here are the race to the bottom competition between Comcast and Century Link. Don't want to pay for cable, so we have CL. And for $45/month we get 3/0.7 Mbs down/up. Called yesterday to ask what are we paying for. Dude on the other end runs a test and says 3.5/0.7, refused to tell us what we should be getting, and tried to hawk an upgrade. The people really getting shafted here are low level employees these ratf*ck companies.

  14. Let's also remember CenturyLink's legal behemoth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CenturyLink is notorious for burying startup ISPs that would compete with them in preliminary injunctions and then dragging the cases out in court until the startup goes bankrupt from lawyer fees. They're one of the major ISPs that shut down North Carolina municipal broadband. They have obtained an obscene government grant to expand rural broadband yet every rural area I go to has pretty much the same CenturyLink service as they did five years ago: you're lucky if you get one megabit. They got one five years ago too.

    CenturyLink is about as evil of a corporation as you can get. They constantly cut off all attempts to bring better internet service to areas (even if they don't serve them yet!) while not improving their offerings significantly enough compared to the amount of cash they're raking in from customers and government grants.

    Isn't it ironic that they're slated to get $3 BILLION in grants over the next six years, yet they claim municipal broadband funded by local-level tax dollars is "unfair competition?"

    Posting anonymously only because CenturyLink could easily sue me otherwise.

  15. Legacy Gte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember hearing lots of people complaining about issues like this with GTE back in the day, they got bought by Verizon then spun off and repackaged as centurylink. So this isn't new.

  16. Perfect time to deregulate? by King_TJ · · Score: 0

    Sure.... more deregulation is great, IF that includes removal of all the government granted exceptions to free market participation these telcos still receive!

    As I've always said before: Comcast would be out of business, they way they've done business, if they were competing in a real free market. Apparently, same can be said for CenturyTel.

  17. On the business side ..... by King_TJ · · Score: 3

    I'll have to say, CenturyLink did an AWFUL job as the "middle man" selling our company a fiber broadband connection in to one of their offices in the midwest.
    We signed a contract with them because they guaranteed us a rate far below the next lowest bid we received, so we were willing to put up with a certain amount of inferior customer service.... I mean, once fiber is installed, it usually "just works" -- and the random, occasional outage is something that happens no matter which company you pay. (Can't stop the idiot with a backhoe who digs without checking what's in the ground first, etc.)

    But the insanity started, just getting the initial connection up and running. CenturyTel kept scheduling installation appointment times where a technician would show up, but then was stuck because he had to call in to get things done on the back end. They'd put him on endless hold, followed by one excuse for another -- causing him to have to leave and reschedule another time! This went on for at least 3 appointments in a row. One time, the call center actually told the guy "Everyone was in a company meeting so nobody could assist him with the install." Who runs a call center like that?!